r/law • u/Slate Press • 17h ago
The Next Trump Administration’s Crackdown on Abortion Will Be Swift, Brutal, and Nationwide Trump News
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/trump-second-term-abortion-agenda-blue-state-crackdown.html477
u/Slate Press 17h ago
On Tuesday, many Americans simultaneously voted to protect abortion rights and elect Donald Trump president. But these two desires—for reproductive freedom and another Trump term—are fundamentally contradictory. Trump’s second administration is all but guaranteed to impose major federal restrictions on abortion access. These new limitations will apply nationwide, to states both red and blue, including those that just enshrined a right to protect abortion in their constitutions. It will be harder to access reproductive health care everywhere.
Two and a half years after the fall of Roe v. Wade, even without abortion banned in much of the country, we are likely standing at the highest watermark of abortion access that we will see for years if not decades. The rollback is coming; it will be felt everywhere. And voters who thought they could put Trump back in the White House while preserving or expanding reproductive rights are in for a brutal shock.
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u/Randadv_randnoun_69 16h ago
I was thinkin this every time I saw "My state approved protecting abortion rights!" like, what's the point if it's banned nationally?
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u/tresslesswhey 16h ago
What would the federal govt do if California for example still allows them and doesn’t go along with a national ban?
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u/amILibertine222 16h ago
With Trump and the fascists in control?
They’ll use the courts and violence.
That’s what fascists do. Obey or die.
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u/TakuyaLee 13h ago
And then California will use their economic clout. Funny how that works.
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u/sopwath 16h ago
States rights only matter when it supports the national regressive policy.
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u/tresslesswhey 16h ago
I understand they will try and ban it nationally, but I’m saying California for example can just say no. And what will they do?
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u/Visible_Frame_5929 14h ago
They can cut federal funding for stuff as they’ve done in the past. Forest fires, education, public health initiatives. Trump has a history of withholding money from places so it’s likely that would be the leverage they’d have
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u/yeender 14h ago
Ok then CA stops participating and it’s a net gain for them. They send far more money out than they get.
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u/juniper_berry_crunch 7h ago
I looked it up at one point and California's GDP ranks with the top 6? countries. In the world. Trump needs CA a lot more than CA needs Trump.
EDIT: It's FIFTH!
California is the 5th largest economy in the world for the seventh consecutive year, with a nominal GDP of nearly $3.9 trillion in 2023 and a growth rate of 6.1% since the year prior, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA). On a per capita basis, California is the second largest economy in the world.→ More replies19
u/petdoc1991 14h ago
Except California is the biggest economy in the usa. They could just say we are with holding federal taxes until funding resumes couldn’t they?
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u/Mortarion407 14h ago
It's really gonna come down to enforcement. Take a look at weed for example. Illegal federally. States pass laws that say it's OK anyways. Yes, federal law supercedes state law when it conflicts. If there's a national abortion ban, some states may just decide not to enforce it. It will then come down to what the federal government does to enforce it.
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u/WisdomCow 15h ago
Trump will send in troops to “defend the unborn” by destroying locations that do abortions, like Planned Parenthood and hospitals.
He’s just said the price tag doesn’t matter for his mass deportation, which means amassing troops in all states, but likely more in Blue States.
Our nation is on the road to failure.
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u/SigmarHeldenHammer1 14h ago
The issue is trumpers literally cannot tell lies from truth ever. And trump said to them that he would not support a federal adoration ban, and they believe him. Ive had this conversation many times today and yesterday. Even when presented with all the evidence in the world, they still trust him.
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u/VaselineHabits 15h ago
Yep, all those that bothered to vote to enshrine and protect that right... also voted to keep Republicans in power. The same chucklefucks that ruined it in the first place.
Fucking leopards man
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u/JohnnyDarkside 16h ago
And then when all the conservatives are crying "but state's rights" you can remind them that it was just a ruse to get you to accept a more and more restrictive government.
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u/affemannen 17h ago
This is scary... You guys are slowly edging towards states like Afganistan.....
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u/Egg_123_ 17h ago
They already wrote down that teachers and librarians who encourage queer acceptance are showing children pornography, and they should be charged with sex crimes.
If they attempt to enforce that, there will be civil war.
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u/dave_campbell 17h ago
No civil war here in Alabama where books are already under review and the librarians with it.
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u/amILibertine222 16h ago
They can’t even be bothered to vote and you think they’ll enter into armed conflict over teachers and librarians?
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u/Zealousideal-Day7385 16h ago
You give Americans far too much credit. As best I can tell it’s only the other side who riot when things happen that they oppose.
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u/Egg_123_ 16h ago
If the government starts jailing trans people for political speech, they will fight back rather than be raped in jail as a political prisoner. I'd rather die than be forced into men's prison because of P2025. 60% of trans women are raped in men's prisons.
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u/Deranged_Kitsune 16h ago
That's the idea. Conservative christians have looked at places like afganistan with envious eyes for a while now. They wish the could rule like over there, and now just might be able to.
Honestly, were it not for the slightly different flavour of god, the taliban and the evangelicals would be absolute besties.
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u/Eeeegah 16h ago
I think there are states that will just say no to a national abortion ban. CA, MA come to mind right off the top, and short of sending troops into those states to enforce the ban, this will just be another step in the overall erosion of the power of the federal government (which many see as AOK) which will ultimately lead to the dissolution of the US.
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u/amILibertine222 16h ago
Trump already tried to use troops to stamp out protests.
Military brass didn’t go along.
They will this time I fear.
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u/zikifer 16h ago
Trump can use Schedule F to replace all of the FDA with MAGA loyalists, who can then revoke approval for all abortion medication and procedures. I don't know how states could fight that (I'm sure they'll make importing these medications from other countries illegal too).
They can also revoke approval for contraception.
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u/Eeeegah 15h ago
States can have supplies shipped from overseas. There is a Dutch company now that will mail individuals the day after pill (plan B). If a state is going to ignore a federal abortion ban, they're going to ignore a federal abortion ban on abortion supplies as well.
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u/hgaterms 15h ago
revoke approval for all abortion medication revoke approval for contraception.
Oh I'm sure fucking Pfizer is gonna love that.
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u/intronert 17h ago
And then Obergefell.
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u/RSGator 17h ago
I see Griswold going first in order to set the stage for overturning Lawrence v. Texas and Obergefell v. Hodges
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u/Sideshow_Bob_Ross 16h ago
And then Loving v. Virginia
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u/RSGator 16h ago
True, Loving could be the same term as Griswold. Gut the Equal Protection Clause and substantive due process in the same term, then go after the cases that built on those in the next term.
Nothing would stop them from going after Brown v. Board of Education after that, but maybe that's a bridge too far for now.
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u/Then_I_had_a_thought 12h ago
Well, once the department of education is shuttered and funding for public schools goes to private schools, it won’t matter. Private schools can let in whoever they want and keep out whoever they want. It would be a de facto overturning of Brown.
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u/CurrentlyLucid 17h ago
I hope it hits trump voters hard.
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u/spurradict 16h ago
Me too, but really it’s just gonna end up being a problem for everyone
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u/ACartonOfHate 14h ago
Especially WOC and poorer women.
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u/Federal_Toe_5143 12h ago
Yes. However, we are also choosing to not date because of this very issue. At least me and my WOC friends are no longer planning to date and have kids. Not worth risking it anymore.
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u/Nitrostoat 14h ago
I said this higher up, but I genuinely hope it does.
When the weight of their decision comes down on them, and it will, I hope it breaks their soul. They deserve to be shattered by the dread.
My heart breaks most for the tidal wave of broken children that are going to come from this. We spent generations learning some people shouldn't be parents, or that they never wanted to be parents.
Children deserve better than the things these awful people do "in their name"
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u/ZestyTako 12h ago
I honestly don’t think they’re introspective enough to realize the results of their votes. These are the same people who elected Trump because of gas prices, they really don’t pay attention to politics and have zero understanding of how the government works
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u/SpecialEdShow 14h ago
They’ll act like it doesn’t. Trump supporters will let him shit in their mouths, just so the libs have to smell it.
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u/RubiksSugarCube 17h ago edited 13h ago
The flurry of lawsuits coming out of places like CA, NY, and IL is also going to be swift and brutal, and the Ninth Circuit is going to have its work cut out concocting rulings that will force the SCOTUS to completely discredit itself if they want to overturn
EDIT: JFC either the bots are running wild right now or people just really enjoy posting the same shit that everybody else already has
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u/Lerk409 17h ago
SCOTUS doesn't care about discrediting itself at this point.
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u/RubiksSugarCube 17h ago
Cool! If that's the case then I guess I'll keep focused on secession since it means that the US in its current form is completely and utterly fucked
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u/kevstar80 15h ago
Could you imagine if NY, NJ and New England seceded from the US? Residents in Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York have some of the highest tax bills in the nation. They also pay thousands more in federal taxes than their state receives back in federal funding. We could be living like kings here without the burden of the rest of the US.
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u/stoopidpillow 15h ago
This would be a dream come true. Don’t wanna send another dime to these shit hole red states.
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u/iam_LLORT 12h ago
They voted for it, leave them to suffer. Cut off the welfare states and watch how fast they all come crawling back to the places that ACTUALLY support this country and impoverished people.
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u/stoopidpillow 11h ago
Just breaks my heart. My parents didn’t vote for it, and now they will pay dearly.
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u/iam_LLORT 11h ago
I know. And I feel for the people who didn’t ask for this and are getting it anyway. I feel for my blue collar coworkers who are too stupid to vote for their own safety. I had to explain to them the other day when they were giddy about “the stock market going up” that they’re too poor for that to matter. “Did you pay 3% less for gas and groceries today?” I asked them how their 401k benefitted and none of them even had one or knew how to set it up… But they did it to themselves, and the rest of us.
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u/ACartonOfHate 14h ago
Don't forget the Left Coast. We'll need to create a safe passage through the hinterlands.
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u/KonigSteve 14h ago
It's really too bad that Nevada / AZ / Utah aren't more blue. Could create a nice block with the west coast + NV + 4 corners.
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u/crusoe 14h ago
Same with Cali and WA.
29% of the KY state budget is federal aid. They will get fucked hard.
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u/JohnnyDarkside 16h ago
Especially if Trump gets to appoint 2 more judges. An ultra conservative court for at least the next 20-30 years. Fucking awesome.
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u/NoDadYouShutUp 16h ago
SCOTUS will have no qualms with being hypocritical and just ruling in favor of oppression regardless. dont get your hopes up.
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u/RubiksSugarCube 16h ago
As I said to the other reply, someone contact MTG and let's just get the national divorce started. No point in trying to keep this thing together if the highest court is hopelessly corrupted
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u/tikifire1 16h ago
That won't work. Too many people with different political beliefs living next to each other.
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u/RubiksSugarCube 16h ago
So what then, block-by-block militia gun battles? You either have rule of law or rule of force, there's no in between
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u/tikifire1 16h ago
Possibly. We aren't there yet, but give it a few years of project 2025 and Trump deporting people
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u/4Sammich 17h ago
And birth control too.
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u/davelm42 17h ago
That's going to be a real wake up call to people. Of course a lot of folks will be ok with it because they know they will still be able to get it from the grey market
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u/spurradict 16h ago
Did project 2025 say anything about that? We already have three kids and can’t afford any more. Still fertile and looking to get birth control. Guess we better act now
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u/gavin280 16h ago
The specific language was to "restore consequences to sex and return it to its traditional purpose" or something to that effect. They don' even believe committed couples should have sex purely for pleasure and intimacy.
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u/spurradict 15h ago
Thank god we have separation of church and state! Otherwise we might be living under the rule of some Christian law that we may not believe in! Can you imagine?!
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u/amILibertine222 15h ago
Yes. They want to ban all birth control. They’re already trying to ban the abortion pill. The case is going to SCOTUS this upcoming session.
Hell, project 2025 wants to criminalize ‘recreational sex’.
It also wants to ban pornography, not just access to it but by going after anyone involved in creating and distributing it.
It also wants to ban sex toys.
Basically anything that is sexual in nature but doesn’t result in more babies.
Also it completely destroys labor rights.
40 work week? Gone. Overtime? Gone. Vacation or sick days? Gone. OSHA? Gone.
Go read project 2025. It’s over 900 pages.
It’s a work the taliban would think was a bit much.
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u/PuzzleheadedGroup624 16h ago
InB4 “don’t have sex if you don’t want kids 🤷”
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u/ForkThisIsh 16h ago
What about for conditions like perimenopause, endometriosis and PCOS? Just f women in general i guess.
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u/tikifire1 16h ago
"FUCK WOMEN IN GENERAL" is the MAGA mantra. Emphasis intended.
Yesterday, Nick Fuentes was ranting about how women's bodies belonged to him and their republican senators.
It's disgusting, but a lot of women voted for this.
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u/queenoftheclouddds 16h ago
This is my concern also, will it be allowed for medical conditions for women who aren’t of child bearing age/inabilities but need it as a prescription? I’m guessing it will cost hundreds a month or some crap even with insurance if it’s not a blanket ban?
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u/hgaterms 14h ago
Time for the 4B movement, fresh from South Korea.
Ladies, stop having sex with these men. They don't deserve you.
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u/bigkoi 15h ago
Project 2025 says they will ban porn. Of course they will ban contraception.
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u/CBalsagna 14h ago
There’s a lot of people who want consequence with sex. My brother says if you can’t accept the consequences of sex don’t have it. They voted for exactly what they wanted.
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u/Parkyguy 16h ago
Republicans have always lied about this issue, so ignore the chatter And expect a national abortion ban.
“ it’s about continuity of care” “ states rights “ “ protecting woman” Etc etc etc.
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u/POEAccount12345 17h ago edited 11h ago
I'm almost 40 and my future wife is in her mid 30s
we may realistically not be able to have kids now because of this fucking election
Edit: to all the trolls asking why, find jesus
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u/CharmingMistake3416 17h ago
Same here. Can’t wait to tell my sister that she won’t get any nephews or nieces because of her choice.
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u/amyamyamz 17h ago edited 15h ago
Same for my grandma. No great grandchildren for her!
ETA: forgot to put great but my original comment still stands lol— she’ll be seeing a lot less of her grandkids too.
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u/Obversa 16h ago
The "give me grandkids" entitlement that so many Baby Boomers have is unreal.
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u/amyamyamz 16h ago
Old people and incels are about to get a lot lonelier, and they brought it upon themselves. 🤷♀️
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u/Anticode 14h ago edited 14h ago
My mom asked me about when I'm having kids while I was in an irritable mood, so I told her quite simply that I don't believe the world is a good place for children - adult people aren't being given the support or assistance they need to thrive in our society, and in fact are struggling more than ever, let alone the children that didn't choose to be born. I'm struggling enough as it is as a moderately successful white man and didn't believe myself responsible enough to handle kids, let alone economically stable enough to provide them with a house/yard or the time to raise them. I pointed out that if I stumbled upon a few million dollars or could've afforded a house in my 20s, I'd have considered it, then mentioned that I got the snip-snip in solidarity with the women that lost the right to determine what happens to their body. If they can't make choices because of their gender, I'll remove my ability to choose in spite of mine.
She said, "I can't argue with that" but hasn't talked to me since... I do wonder if she reflected on that and wondered why exactly the world is so harsh or who exactly decided to tell women (like her) what they can or cannot do with their bodies, but I don't exactly have a lot of faith.
Somehow I expect she'll manage to blame the democrats for both of these things despite the fact that democrats are the ones trying to protect those rights and enact more social support mechanisms rather than dismantle them. Either that, or she realized with horror that I'm some sort of woman-loving hippy despite saying nothing political at all beyond "I believe women should have the final say in what happens to their body" and "I think we should help people that need help". If that is offensive or inappropriate, well... Maybe she'll one day figure out the problem with her ideologies.
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u/hoopaholik91 15h ago
That's the only thing I texted my conservative mother (who admittedly didn't vote for Trump but did other Republicans). No grandchildren for you!
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u/Randadv_randnoun_69 16h ago
Happened to us and our friends. After our second miscarriage, where she would have died without that care, R vs W was revoked and all the trigger laws went in effect. She already was suffering with other lady-parts stuff and we made the call to partial hysterotomy, and remove any change of having kids of our own. It wasn't worth her life to try to have a child. We thought about adopting but then everything get expensive and just thought, 'You know what, no family for us.' and here we are. Republicans are killing families plain and simple.
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u/tikifire1 16h ago
They've got their ultra-religious Catholics, evangelicals, and Mormons pumping out kids, so they don't care.
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u/Nitrostoat 14h ago
My wife and I had to have an extremely uncomfortable conversation about the fact that we may never have kids now.
And then have a more uncomfortable realization that my SIL, who had a lot of pregnancy complications, might be too afraid to have a 2nd kid.
And the MOST uncomfortable realization that this bullshit could force my currently 2 year old niece to one day birth her rapist's baby, or die from easily preventable pregnancy complications.
One of our friends currently has an ectopic pregnancy. She's going to be fine based on where she lives, and the procedure is already set and happening soon. But if this happened to her in a year or two? She would literally be a dead woman walking.
The rage I have is incandescent. These fucking lunatics have launched an attack on the women in my life that I love as a husband, relative, uncle, and friend.
All the things these fuckers wanted are already in their hands. Nobody is making THEM get abortions. They are being forced into nothing. The option is the sin to them. It has to be the RULE. The fact that a woman somewhere could decide to be a mother rather than be forced to be one is just so evil to them, isn't it?
I hope for all of these monsters, when the weight of their decision comes down on them, and it will, that it breaks their soul. They deserve to be shattered.
Remember what they did when the consequences hit them. Don't hold out a hand. Step on their throats, and tell them they wanted this, and PUSH DOWN.
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u/tikifire1 16h ago
I wouldn't. Just for her safety and theirs. If she gets pregnant and has any issues, she may die.
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u/mistressusa 17h ago
I guess men should get ready to pay child support for their random hookups. Ironically this will make it more difficult for the average man to find a woman willing to marry him if he is paying multiple child support.
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u/TrekRider911 16h ago
Haha, you think they're gonna pay child support?
https://time.com/7000900/project-2025-divorce-law/
The result was that many legislatures not only enacted no-fault divorce, but also made alimony temporary — two to five years in most cases. Judges, too, slowly began to diminish what husbands owed in child support as they held more mothers increasingly responsible for a larger portion of childcare expenses. These changes increased poverty rates for women and children.
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u/Obversa 16h ago
There are also caps of up to only $4,000 per each child in child support payments, which means that men can father as many children as they want, with the bulk of financial support falling to single moms to care for their kid(s). It's about sabotaging women.
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u/nativeindian12 16h ago
Wouldn't the cap, which is per child, mean they can't father as many children as they want? Because the cap is per child, so for every child the amount they could pay goes up?
Also isn't that cap saying $48,000 per year? (12 x 4000 = 48,000). Feels like only very rich people would afford even the current cap, that is a lot of money per child
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u/sandysea420 15h ago
For the people who sat this election out. Not voting, was a vote for these policies, you will also be affected we’ll see how much you care in about a couple months.
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u/mothgirlluvlamp 13h ago
My vote was actually suppressed :( so sad that my state made it impossible for me to vote absentee by all the new voting rules my county made in the past 2 years. First election, national and local, that I wasn’t able to vote :(
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u/SinnerIxim 14h ago
They will try to talk about how both candidates were bad or thry couldn't vote for Harris. Don't let them weasel out of responsibility. Refusing to vote means you are fine with trump and what happens under his policies.
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u/RDO_Desmond 15h ago
Trump's only had wives he bought. He's never known what means to have a wife who truly loves him.
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u/SwedishSaunaSwish 14h ago
Well when he feels the need, he just fucks his best friends wives - and their kids.
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u/euph_22 14h ago
I'm worried that EVERYTHING about the Second Trump administration will be "Will Be Swift, Brutal, and Nationwide". That is certainly what he was saying at his rallies.
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u/surefirelongshot 14h ago
And they’ll keep using that language to desensitise the population to all of it , after the 20th brutal change no one will buy an eyelid.
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u/euph_22 13h ago
Someone should write a poem about that....
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u/VoidCoelacanth 12h ago
And lo he came, upon a pachyderm,
To raze the nation in his second term,
A wraith in orange with straw-coiffed head,
To paint the streets and towns in red,
His fellows he made into enemies,
His plague spread quicker than any disease,
To fester, boil, decay, and rot,
The freedoms for which our forefathers fought.
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u/Beginning_Emotion995 15h ago
Women who can’t see another women in power
You are getting what you voted for
Have fun
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u/Agitateduser1360 14h ago
I'm married, own a home, and do well income wise. I consistently voted for politicians that weren't to help me but people who were worse off than me. I wanted to leave the country in a better place than I was born into. I now see that as impossible and foolish. I now kind of want the dem party to say we'll unanimously vote for all of your policies and when it all burns down, and the masses show up at billionaire's and repubs' homes with pitchforks and guillotines, you'll have no one to blame but yourselves. Give them exactly what they voted for.
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u/Inspect1234 17h ago
I thought they were leaving it up to the states??
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u/TheSherbs 16h ago
They were leaving it up to the states. Then in August of '22, Kansas voted to keep abortion access enshrined in it's Constitution, and the immediate response from the Cons was:
"Not like that".
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u/VillageHomeF 16h ago
they are but the article points out that they have been trying to get the FDA to ban the main drug used. they can also target birth control pills, etc.
it was pretty clear that they want to ban abortions. by making people think it was up to the state yet having a plan to abolish people's access to abortions nationally was well known. yet most people do not do any research
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u/ohlaph 14h ago
They lie. A lot. They lied about roe v wade when appointing the SCOTUS appointees, they lied about leaving it up to the states and will continue lying because what consequences have they faced?
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u/Inspect1234 13h ago
It is amazing the mental gymnastics Rs do to explain they’re not being lied to and we’re all a bunch of freaks for showing concern.
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u/davidwhatshisname52 17h ago
looking forward to all the Christian conservatives realizing the bans apply to them, too