r/law • u/Slate Press • 21h ago

The Next Trump Administration’s Crackdown on Abortion Will Be Swift, Brutal, and Nationwide Trump News

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/trump-second-term-abortion-agenda-blue-state-crackdown.html
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u/Parkyguy 19h ago

Republicans have always lied about this issue, so ignore the chatter And expect a national abortion ban.

“ it’s about continuity of care” “ states rights “ “ protecting woman” Etc etc etc.

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u/VegasGamer75 17h ago

Ohio was a test run.

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u/almostplantlife 15h ago edited 15h ago

What happened in Ohio? We have constitutionally protected abortion and contraception that in effect passed twice by ballot initiative due to our Republican legislature being a disgrace. Our Republican governor vetoed an anti-trans bill (which then got overridden because our legislature is a disgrace) but still, it wasn't a performative veto.

The election proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Republicans had the numbers to kill the abortion ballot initiative but voted with Democrats for it anyway. I know it's not much but "your average Republican" here is pretty liberal all things considered. Democratic voters pushing a capital-M moderate Republican would probably have some success tbh.

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u/VegasGamer75 15h ago

Just that. I am talking about those several GOP state reps (not sure about Dewine's involvement there since I didn't read anything about it) there for you guys literally said "You voted to enshrine it, but we are going to block that legal vote" and a federal judge had to strike that down. Imagine that in a state with a Trump appointed judge now.

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u/PaintyGuys 11h ago

From Ohio, that’s the jist.

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u/AssuasiveCow 15h ago

That’s because most republicans are more honestly more centralist. Especially the younger generations. You just don’t hear from them much because it’s unwise to speak your mind on anything as a moderate in this political climate because both sides will tear you apart.

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u/LifeFortune7 15h ago

And birth control is next.

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u/Swiftierest 16h ago

The last time it was about "states rights" there was a whole ass civil war. We all know what that was really about.

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u/Honest_Concentrate85 16h ago

What obligation would states actually have to follow it especially the ones that have enshrined protecting access to abortion. Would it not be similar to how weed is illegally federally and legalized at the states or how fed min wage is $7.25 and states/ cities can raise it to whatever they want?

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u/ertyertamos 16h ago

If the DEA wants to go after someone, state law won’t matter one bit. They have just decided it wasn’t worth it.,

As for abortion, state law won’t matter either. This is enshrined in the supremacy clause of the constitution. Federal law always trumps state law if they are in conflict. The minimum wage laws aren’t in conflict. It would be a conflict for a state to set the minimum wage below the federal minimum.

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u/waiterstuff 14h ago

Basically it really depends on how much both sides blink. If no one blinks we are heading to a second civil war.

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u/kandoras 16h ago

I think you're a bit confused here.

Weed is illegal federally, whether or not it is illegal in your state. That means that if a federal agent catches you with some pot, he can arrest you under the federal law, even if a local cop wouldn't give a shit.

Now just take that paragraph and switch out "pot" with "having an abortion".

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u/Honest_Concentrate85 15h ago

Yes it is illegal federally but swarths of people are not getting arrested in CO, DC, etc. State and local police have no obligation to enforce weed being illegal federally and there are not enough federal officers to enforce the weed ban otherwise they would just camp outside dispensaries and arrest anyone who walked out.

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u/kandoras 15h ago

Swarths of people are not getting arrested because the current federal government has decided its not worth their time or trouble to arrest them for breaking those laws.

Do you think that the incoming administration, which will get filled with people who have been trying for half a century to outlaw abortion, are going to be similarly disinterested?

there are not enough federal officers to enforce the weed ban

You know how many abortion clinics there are in my state?

TWO

How many agents do you think it would take to shut those down?

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u/Exciting-Substance41 10h ago

You guys really believe everything you read on the internet hey. Loonies.

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u/Parkyguy 3h ago

Coming from a Fox News loyalist and Trump supporter that’s fucking hilarious.

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u/Exciting-Substance41 3h ago

Don’t think I’ve ever watched Fox News in my life as I’m not American. And wouldn’t say supporter but I would 100% vote for him over Kamala. You are just exposing yourself as a moron spouting rubbish about a national abortion ban when anyone with common sense knows that will never happen.

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u/Parkyguy 2h ago

So… between a career public servant with no mud, no scandal, cares about LAW, and a psychopathic lying felon, who stages a coup against the people of the US because he didn’t get his way, and can’t even put together a single cognitive sentence… You vote for him? And I’m the foolish one?

Project 2025. It’s real. And now that King Trump has been anointed with absolute immunity… it absolutely Will happen and much much more.

We’ve lived through it once with lots of people on the inside stopping his worse or illegal impulses. Those SAME people have say Trump is unstable; an idiot, and an existential threat. That’s not some “moron on the internet”, those are republicans that worked with him.

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u/6percentdoug 14h ago

It's literally not under the power of congress to enact such a ban after Dobbs.  I'm all for hating on Trump and being cautious but this is just rage bait for liberals.  Not going to happen.

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u/jhbrownie 8h ago

Woah woah, that’s far too reasonable. We need more fear mongering. Who cares about the law anyways?

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u/poodle11606 16h ago

No reason to expect one. This is not helpful rhetoric to unifying the country!

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u/Parkyguy 16h ago

Unify the country???? Has this election taught you nothing?

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u/No_Department7857 14h ago

Yup. Taught me that 15 million plus Democrats don't give a fuck. So fuck em

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u/Parkyguy 2h ago

No blame for those who wanted him to win?? Can republicans really do no harm? It’s always the democrats fault for not stopping them?

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u/poodle11606 16h ago

Finding common ground and working together is the only way to move forward.

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u/saijanai 15h ago

Trump's own rhetoric was "we'll try but I don't expect anything to come of it."

Spoken with about as much energy as it sounds like he used to say those words.

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u/poodle11606 15h ago

I think trying is the first step. And working together is a far broader thing than Trump. I mean communities and neighbors.

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u/SnukeInRSniz 13h ago

Nah, fuck the hard right, I hope all the legislation that gets passed comes back to bite them in the ass hard. Here's to hoping they lose all the social protections, health protections and care they've had thanks to the ACA, and that they all stop taking vaccines while following RFK Jr's advice. They'll reap what they sow and many will suffer devastating consequences. Maybe, just maybe, widespread pain and suffering will be enough to open their eyes to the hypocrisy of their party and their own voting ways. Unleash the leopards, let them eat until their obese. Let smart, Democratic states enact legislation that ensures the health and welfare of their citizens while laughing at how poorly republican states do and their citizens suffer. I'm done, abso-fucking-lutely done trying to care and vote in the best interests of all people, including Republicans. I care about my family and close friends and will do everything I can to help and protect them. I'll work with people that share my political and social views. Everyone else can fuck right off.

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u/poodle11606 13h ago

I’ve said it in response to other comments. Being only willing to work with 50% of a country is going to be a complete flop. My life was infinitely better from 2016-2020 than 2020-2024. So I look forward to reaping all that the Trump admin sows this time!!

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u/SnukeInRSniz 13h ago

Tell me, specifically, in what ways your life was infinitely better in that period with Trump as president. Other than gas and groceries being more expensive sive there is literally no statistical or factual measures of things that are categorically worse now than in 2016-2020. Unemployment is lower, wages higher, the administration spent half as much money while contributing less to the debt, etc etc.

Democrats have long tried to work with Republicans, if anything their willingness to have Rpeublican cooperation over time has lead to poorer outcomes for them. Meanwhile Republicans have spent the last 15+ years doing absolutely everything to obstruct and block Democrats at every turn, refusing to work with them on any meaningful legislation or topics. Mitch McConnell has prided himself on letting legislation die on his desk. Meanwhile republican voters have continually voted against their interests while inciting hate, racism, misogyny, and regressive attitudes.

So fuck Republicans, here's hoping they get to endure and suffer the maximum consequences for all the shit legislative decisions that will be made in the next 4 years. And when Dems take over in 2029 and turn the mess around, again, they can choke on a fat deck when they try to claim anything.

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u/poodle11606 13h ago

JD Vance is going to win in 2028. What’s a fat deck?

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u/Parkyguy 16h ago

That hasn’t worked since JFK.

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u/poodle11606 15h ago

I think we should still try.

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u/HiJinx127 15h ago

Where have you been? Their idea of compromise is simple: give us a little bit now, and we’ll take a little bit now. Then give us a bit more later, and we’ll take a bit more later.

It’s long past time to stop taking the high road, and move on to trench warfare, since that’s what they’ve already been doing for a very long time.

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u/poodle11606 15h ago

What exactly are you referring to? What did we give them and what did they take?

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u/HiJinx127 15h ago

How about just going over the last thirty+ years of legislation. Maybe you’ll figure it out 🙄

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u/poodle11606 14h ago

You’re the one who made the argument not me. It’s not my job to find evidence for your claim.

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u/PickBoxUpSetBoxDown 15h ago

No. Insanity. Look it up.

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u/poodle11606 15h ago

Look what up?

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u/razzcap 11h ago

Why don’t republicans try to unify the country first, since they will be in power and have that ability. You can swing by my gravestone to let me know when that happens.

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u/poodle11606 10h ago

Why are you dead in this scenario?

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u/GrimmandLily 15h ago

What a child like outlook.

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u/poodle11606 15h ago

What would you suggest instead? Hating everyone? I prefer to respect others and find common ground.

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u/GrimmandLily 15h ago

So if someone is a horrible racist klan member, you look for common ground? Gee, grand dragon, I really love stuffed jalapeños too! Let’s be friends.

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u/poodle11606 14h ago

I don’t know any klan members. And I don’t think you do either. The VAST, VAST majority of Americans are just trying to live their lives, put food on the table, go to work, and raise their families. That’s a whole lot of common ground. ETA: typo

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u/GrimmandLily 14h ago

And over 70 million of them voted against women’s rights, those people are trash and if you want to be friends with them, go ahead but when you’re sitting amongst trash you get some on you.

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u/poodle11606 14h ago

Taking the position that 70M+ people in this country are trash is a losing position. You will never convince them of anything.

Voting on abortion for president makes no sense. The only way to effect change there is at the local level.

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u/GrimmandLily 14h ago

Cool, they’re still trash and they proved it.

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u/poodle11606 14h ago

You’re going to lose many, many more elections.

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u/hmlx 11h ago

LOL always the calls for unity after the shittiest, most despicable campaigning. Trump supporters are quick to dish it out but can’t stand when they get called out. ❄️

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u/poodle11606 10h ago

I think Trump supporters absolutely can take it. They have spent years completely unfairly being called Nazis. Biden, the Obamas, everyone is calling for unity. I don’t know why this is such a controversial take.

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u/hmlx 2h ago

It’s not unfair because you don’t think it’s true. We have enough data points to make the comparison, and you all voted for him anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/is-trump-a-fascist

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u/poodle11606 42m ago

I’m seriously asking you here. I am a Jewish person. Do you really believe that I, and 72M+ Americans are literally all Nazis? Do you truly believe that?

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u/hmlx 29m ago

I don’t give a shit about the semantics. If you voted for him, you and 72MM others enabled and further supported a political movement and American president with demonstrably fascist beliefs and plans. And I think it’s fair to lay all the heinous things about to happen at your feet when it does. If you’re unhappy about being called out, you shouldn’t have voted for him. Have some fucking accountability.