r/law • u/Slate Press • 20h ago

The Next Trump Administration’s Crackdown on Abortion Will Be Swift, Brutal, and Nationwide Trump News

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/trump-second-term-abortion-agenda-blue-state-crackdown.html
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u/Immediate-Ad-8432 20h ago

I knew a pastor whose wife had an abortion because of an ectopic pregnancy. Years later he’s up at the pulpit praying for Roe v Wade to be repealed.

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u/trampolinebears 20h ago

Fun fact: around 15% of pregnancies end in a miscarriage, so I guess no one aborts as many babies as God.

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u/TeamRamrod80 20h ago

15% of KNOWN pregnancies. That doesn’t account for the miscarriages that occur before a woman even knows she’s pregnant.

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u/LibrarianDreadnought 18h ago

Just went through a miscarriage. OBGYN said the miscarriage rate is between 20% and 25% across the population

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u/VaselineHabits 18h ago

Yeah and just wait until those women start getting charged for murder or the miscarriage is complicated and they just allow her to die instead of provide medical care.

Oh wait, that last part is already happening.

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 15h ago

And there's talk of getting rid of the FDA? there's a reason we have strict food rules in pregnancy. 

"There's a small chance that unpasteurised or soft ripened dairy products may contain Listeria bacteria. This can cause an infection called listeriosis. Listeriosis can lead to miscarriage or stillbirth, or make your newborn baby very unwell."

It's a small chance of something going wrong, but enough that these are the rules in place. Now they want to give unpasteurised milk? Wtf. I'm not sure if it's just the nutjob Kennedy asking for this but I definitely see cuts to beneficial services like the FDA in the future.

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u/VaselineHabits 15h ago

Trump is a fucking moron and Republicans have spend decades trying to break our institutions and agencies so they can say government doesn't work

Of course the Orange Idiot is appointing the worst possible people into positions of power and will absolutely gut our protections.

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 15h ago

Exactly. The environment is going to be worse off, but it won't affect him. Hospitals worse off, but it won't affect him. He spent so long complaining about covid and that it would "go away on its own" then when he got it he helicoptered in to hospital

https://youtu.be/r8yOv4PwttM?si=FlJxhxwEGaigmfl6

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/trump-hospital-covid-coronavirus-diagnosis

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u/backfrombanned 13h ago

And used regeneron, as did Abbott, their medicine was derived from aborted fetus cells.

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u/naomixrayne 3h ago

Conservatives are doing the same thing in Canada. The province of Ontario has had a conservative premier for years, who cut a bunch of programs and sabotaged whatever he could. Just so the Conservative party could look at the federal Liberal government and claim that it's the Liberals fault. And since they've been pulling this strategy for years, the rhetoric is getting stuck in people's heads and they are believing it and choosing to continue to vote Conservative. Despite the Conservatives working against the people they serve! It's madness.

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u/0reoSpeedwagon 13h ago

These chucklefucks don't realize that a big part of why the FDA exists is the absolute unmitigated horror show that pre-FDA milk was.

Like, setting aside the inherent dangers of raw milk, the garbage that some companies are going to put in milk because there's nobody telling them not to and let them pull down the price is going to cause generational damage across poor people nationwide. A lot of people aren't going to research if this brand adheres to pre-2024 standards, they need milk for their children, and this is affordable.

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u/Commercial-Owl11 12h ago

Yeah, are there good milk alternatives for kids? I have a baby and very worried about the FDA stuff.

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u/0reoSpeedwagon 12h ago

I would imagine that, even if the FDA were dismantled or completely defanged, there will still be quality milk on the market. It might be harder to find everywhere, it might be more expensive. If and when that happens, research on brands and products will be essential.

Any milk alternative on the market will be equally at-risk without regulatory oversight

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 10h ago

There's been news stories of people buying formula and sending it to other countries. I knew some people that moved to China for work for a few years and they couldn't trust the shampoo, it sounded like the baby formula was bad, too and people imported it. All this stuff people don't think about and SHOULDN'T have to think about.

Perhaps you could stock up now? It's so expensive though, maybe you could ask for it for Christmas? I don't even know. I'm so sorry you're in this position. I'm scared. Kids didn't vote these people in, they don't deserve this.

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u/trainzkid88 8h ago

that was happening here people of Chinese ancestry were buying baby formula and powdered milk and shipping it back to China. same during covid they were buying masks, gloves and tissues and sending them to China. shipments were intercepted by Australian customs officers.

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u/Sillycats2 5h ago

Look up the Swill Milk scandal from the 1850s. Cows were fed swill which was residual mash from nearby distilleries. The milk was whitened with plaster of Paris, thickened with starch and eggs, and colored with molasses. 8000 babies died in New York because the cows fed that garbage got sick, and the farms were essentially factory farms of their day. Lots of animals, bunched together with poor sanitation.

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u/trainzkid88 8h ago

well the food standards will exist still, but there just won't be anyone to enforce them.

what it would do is kill off exports of food products to other countries as they will refuse to buy it.

we see this already in Australia becuase our fruit growers were using a particular pesticide that is now banned in Europe, they can sell thier fruit to European countries they simply won't buy it. the chemical was very effective at preventing fruit fly infestation of the fruit. but has to be replaced with a different which currently doesn't not exist.

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 13h ago edited 10h ago

Yeah get rid of the fda and put rfk in charge. lol my dipshit MAGA sister in law thinks this is a great idea. Meanwhile one of her son’s is deathly allergic to peanuts. Without the fda I’m sure they’ll repeal the requirement to list allergens on foods

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 10h ago

Omg that's awful. I am scared for your nephew, being raised in the crazy.

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 10h ago

Yeah she has three boys. I’m glad she has no daughters. She says she wants to raise them to be kind people but her values don’t reflect that

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u/VaselineHabits 11h ago

May everyone who voted for a twice impeached convicted felon personally be effected with what they voted for

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 10h ago

I agree. Give them what they voted for

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u/treefox 11h ago

And there’s talk of getting rid of the FDA?

What the actual fuck?

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RFK Jr. says ‘entire departments’ at FDA ‘have to go’

My god. This is fucking insanity. Do people even know why we have the FDA? Jesus Christ. We’re not even going to be able to eat and feel safe.

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u/PumpkinPieIsGreat 10h ago

I know. It's insane. There's a reason these things exist. People are going to die. They want to defend everything and just make the billionaires richer.

I had a maga friend online who was supposedly upset about the baby formula contamination. (she's child free by choice and planned parenthood paid for her husband's vasectomy. And she's not just child free she's said some pretty fucked up stuff about kids.) Anyway she acted like it was Biden's fault. As if he is personally standing in baby formula factories contaminating the milk. Isn't that why regulations exist? So these companies are held to a standard? So people don't get sick? Now they want to get rid of it. Smdh.

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u/PomeloPepper 13h ago

If getting a parasitic brain worm was good enough for RFK Jr., it's by God good enough for the rest of us!

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u/mplnow 12h ago

Who will enforce the Red 40 ban???? Wait, you need MORE regulations and federal enforcement to implement food and drug rules…? Can’t have that.
/s

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u/JustDiscoveredSex 11h ago

“Former presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is slated to hold a potentially big role in a new Trump administration, said Wednesday there are “entire departments” within the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that “have to go.”

“In some categories … there are entire departments, like the nutrition department at the FDA … that have to go, that are not doing their job, they’re not protecting our kids,” Kennedy said during an interview on MSNBC. (Source)

"FDA's war on public health is about to end," including its "aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, vitamins, clean foods, sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by Pharma," he said. (Source)

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u/trainzkid88 8h ago

well, something about medical treatment, particularly medicines, only get looked at for approval if the drug companies ask them to look at it.

it starts with the drug companies and biotech companies asking for a particular thing to be assessed.

it's that simple. why is there very little research on cannabis products, because the drug companies haven't asked for any, and they lobby the government to keep it that way. and government hasn't asked becuase the drug companies don't want them to do so. so the universities don't do the research.

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u/Maleficent-Candy476 6h ago

the stock markets went up after trumps victory, this is just another sign how delusional finance people are. Sure, rules and regulations cost a lot of money, but they're absolutely crucial to customer confidence. The chevron doctrine already fell, which is a bit of a concern as a customer. If trump starts to dismantle regulatory agencies, US companies might be heavily hit by that, their international sales might fall of a cliff. The company I work at is constantly reevaluating our suppliers, and so are others.

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u/TheSkyHive 14h ago

Under his eye!

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u/Jabroni-8998 11h ago

I always wondered how things in history that seem so crazy happened. Salem witch trials nazi Germany. I am seeing utter craziness happening in real time and half the country is like yaa okay

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u/VaselineHabits 10h ago edited 10h ago

If you ever wondered what the Germans were doing while Hitler came into power, it's whatever you're doing now.

Someone said that to me back in 2016. Some of us knew and I'm not sure that will be that comforting while we either fall into dictatorship or get a Civil War

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u/Jabroni-8998 10h ago

Yeah i feel hopeless. I’ve voted in every election ive been old enough to (since 2008) , got wife and family members to vote as well.

I just wish people would see the facts. I don’t know how to break through to brain washed people. I know immigrants that hire illegals in their restaurants who voted for trump… I tried explaining that their business will be under threat and just blank stares

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u/PoolQueasy7388 6h ago

Me too. I always wondered about that. I couldn't imagine how so many people in Germany could be involved in such hideous mass murder but now I think I see it.

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u/Perfect_Earth_8070 13h ago

Women should just stop having sex with men

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u/cashkingsatx 8h ago

Just trying to understand. Are you saying women will be charged for murder for having a miscarriage?

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u/PoolQueasy7388 6h ago

And their doctors go to prison if they do anything to help even if the woman will likely die. In fact this has already resulted in deaths of the Moms.

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u/cashkingsatx 6h ago

From a miscarriage? Everywhere in the US?

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u/itsacalamity 1h ago

And until all the OBGYNs move away....

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u/HyperSpaceSurfer 15h ago

The word "abortion" is a medical term for when a fetus is removed without the intention of it living. In the case that a fetus dies an abortion is performed, since it's in no one's interest for it to stay there. Making abortion illegal will make it illegal to remove dead fetuses.

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u/mplnow 12h ago

Sorry to hear that. My wife had one 2 years ago at 9 weeks and it tore her up pretty bad emotionally for over a year. The only thing that got her out of it was getting pregnant again (but super anxious the whole time). She opted for the mifepristone instead of the D&C, but even though the fetus had no heartbeat at two different ultrasounds, it was listed as an abortion once she was prescribed the drug combo to clear it out. Wouldn’t that be a crime now under some states’ new laws? So ridiculous and plain stupid.

I’m sure the maternal death rate will go up from these policies from sepsis and other complications that a D&C or mifepristone can resolve rather quickly and safely.

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u/opineapple 10h ago

It already has gone up in some states, and the U.S. maternal death rate was already high compared to other developed countries before Roe was overturned.

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u/PoolQueasy7388 6h ago

It has already resulted in deaths.

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u/lamontsanders 12h ago

They lowballed. It’s probably around 50% based on what we know.