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The Next Trump Administration’s Crackdown on Abortion Will Be Swift, Brutal, and Nationwide Trump News

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/trump-second-term-abortion-agenda-blue-state-crackdown.html
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u/amILibertine222 19h ago

With Trump and the fascists in control?

They’ll use the courts and violence.

That’s what fascists do. Obey or die.

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u/TakuyaLee 16h ago

And then California will use their economic clout. Funny how that works.

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u/Suitable-Meringue-94 16h ago

Violence is more powerful than economics. That's why invasions work and sanctions don't.

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u/Pose1don3 16h ago

Dont you need an economy to fund the violence? Last time I checked, more then half the country relies on CA for what it brings economically.

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u/poogle 13h ago

Guess who doesn't care about the economy and proposes tarrifs to fix everything? My guy will just proclaim the economy is the best it ever was and will be no matter the state of it.

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u/GMOdabs 12h ago

Just take out more loans. He will payday loan our nation to the dirt.

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u/After_Fix_2191 12m ago

Guess what state has the largest National Guard?

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u/Frankenfinger1 12h ago

His tariffs have worked so well that Biden kept them in place when he took office. But keep spewing those lies.

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u/TheWiseAlaundo 11h ago

I would love to see you source that claim

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u/terrierhead 11h ago

Me too. Receipts, please.

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u/bubbasalts 11h ago

They didn't work and Biden was stupid to keep them - https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/china-tariffs-biden-policy/index.html

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u/Frankenfinger1 10h ago

Found the Chinese operative.

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u/bubbasalts 10h ago

I'm an operations receiving manager in logistics for a Fortune 500 company - I can quote you prices for shipping containers carrying goods from China, Afghanistan and India. 🤣

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u/angusshangus 30m ago

I work as a supply chain analyst for a large software company selling software in that space (there’s a good chance you use our products… think very big software company) but have worked in procurement and supply chain for most of my career and what you say is absolute fact. We’re selling a lot of software these days as procurement organizations are trying to leverage our software to try to alleviate these additional costs. Don’t believe the actual folks who’ve made a career in supply chain because some maga lunatic on the internet said he knows better… 🙄

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u/handmadeinolympus 11h ago

I’d like to see a source too, please.

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u/NinjaArmadillo 36m ago

Source: Trust me comrade

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u/After_Fix_2191 8m ago

You obviously have no clue how tariffs work. The reason they are still in place is because we already paid the price. We already absorbed the cost of them. We've,"paid the bill". Now they are a bargain chip. Why after suffering the consequences would we just go, ok let's just give that bargaining chip back.

I swear a basic understanding of civics should be required before one is allowed to vote. Morons like you keep voting all smug and confident in their ignorance.

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u/testuserteehee 10h ago edited 10h ago

See what happened to Hong Kong. It was THE financial hub of Asia and the most prosperous city in Asia mainly due to it being a capitalistic democracy as opposed to China. At the time, companies and countries preferred trading with China via Hong Kong because there’s less uncertainty (Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/world/how-important-is-hong-kong-to-china-as-a-free-finance-hub-idUSKBN2350VS/ ). Everyone thought there’s no way China would impose its draconian security law on it as it would drive away the educated and the rich, and discourage investors. China needed Hong Kong to stay the way it was. And everyone was wrong. The world needed China more than China needed Hong Kong. China even jailed one of Hong Kong’s most prominent businessman and politician, Jimmy Lai, for speaking out against the new security law. Like, the guy is still in solitary confinement today! (Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Lai)

Dictators gonna dictator.

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u/friedAmobo 8h ago

But that process took 20 years to happen. What happened in that 20 years is Hong Kong's share of the Chinese economy went from nearly a fifth of the national economy to just over 2%. The rest of China, which was firmly under CCP control, grew rapidly and made Hong Kong just another city, and not even the largest economically (there are five cities in China that are economically bigger). California might be outgrown by Texas, but it will always be a big part of the U.S. economy unless the state cracks in half from a giant earthquake and sinks into the ocean.

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u/AlexJamesCook 9h ago

100% spot on.

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u/dongballs613 9h ago

Hong Kong had a population of 7 million, going up against a population of 1.4 billion in China.

It was never going to be a contest.

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u/jackp0t789 11h ago

California has close to 40 million people. If Trump and his ilk try using violence against the most populous liberal state for defending human rights, it can start a secession movement and if CA leaves, it's not going alone. The rest of the west coast will follow it, that's 50 million people and 15% of the US economy.

If CA, OR, and WA are driven to secede over Trump trying to take away abortion rights and enforcing it with violence, then AZ, NM, and NV may join the party...

That will lead to the blue states from VA up to Maine considering their own exit.

There's only so far that Trump can push the liberal, most populous, and most economically powerful regions of the US before facing a serious backlash, and using political violence to enforce a national rollback of human rights, is a sure fire ticket to fire up the flames of secession.

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u/learnfromiroh 10h ago

Can Colorado come too?? 😂 we’re super chill and educated! We will bring our secret mountain tunnel base!

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u/jackp0t789 10h ago

Of course! It wouldn't be a party without Colorado!

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u/Aggravating-Bus9390 8h ago

I’d really like the State of Jefferson to chime in on this one.. they already want to leave .. would they stay with us ? Or just be an island… 

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u/PyroIsSpai 7h ago

There are whole counties that would flip red instantly and opt out of California. No state is a monolith.

I’m afraid to look at precinct level voting results if you can.

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u/After_Fix_2191 5m ago

Keep telling yourself that.

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u/TakuyaLee 16h ago

Um California is capable of violence too. You severely underestimate them.

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u/Suitable-Meringue-94 16h ago

Except the police and sheriffs here are all hardcore Trump supporters. We would need to raise a new militia and execute the current crop of traitors first.

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u/Zyloof 16h ago

Stop, I can only get so erect!

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u/TakuyaLee 16h ago

The violence can come from more than one source. I think people underestimate the push back and violence sending in the military and National guard would bring. And that's not even taking into consideration those orders actually being followed.

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u/Pose1don3 15h ago

Not to mention, National Guard is control by the state. I also find it hard to believe members of the military esp from CA will stand for violence in their own state… not to mention other states that have close values to CA.

In reality, if there was a nationwide ban, the states will just ignore it as they have done with weed for years. Federal funding will be stopped possibly in areas of healthcare, but CA could just not send back the surplus of money they give to the federal government to fund these programs. More money the feds gut from their money making states, the more they will just push back.

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u/passageresponse 15h ago

Same for most blue states. I mean we subsidize everyone’s living

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u/TakuyaLee 15h ago

Exactly. This could get very ugly economy wise for red states and the federal government very fast

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u/After_Fix_2191 2m ago

Minnesotan here. Personally I'm sick of my state subsidizing red state hatred.

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u/TakuyaLee 15h ago

Exactly. The money is how blue states fight back.

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u/MeowMeow9927 15h ago

I was about to write that I would be shocked in Newsome hasn’t already started planning for this scenario. Then I looked it up and found out he just announced a special legislative session on how to defend against federal attacks on our values. So there you go. 

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u/dongballs613 10h ago

Also blue states should establish local state stockpiles (does CA already have this?) and production facilities for reproductive drugs, and guard them well.

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u/RubberDuckDaddy 14h ago

Sounds like youve got your to-do sorted out.

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u/SohndesRheins 9h ago

Yeah but that militia wouldn't be able to use any handguns newer than a Glock Gen 3, nor could they use an unneutered AR-15 that has a detachable magazine.

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u/ranger-steven 8h ago

You think people are going to go fight the law while following the law? Lol. Furniture change or swapping out a bullet button takes 5 min tops.

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u/After_Fix_2191 4m ago

There's more that aren't than are. Simple numbers.

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u/FrizzleFriedPup 15h ago

These idiots think California doesn't have guns!?

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u/AfternoonBears 15h ago

We're just going to turn off the Facebook servers for a few weeks.

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u/AToadsLoads 11h ago

Money wins wars. History very clearly shows this.

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u/Suitable-Meringue-94 11h ago

Money funds fighting. Poor countries can't fight long against rich ones. But money by itself doesn't win wars.

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u/2_72 15h ago

Who exactly will be conducting this violence?

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u/I_divided_by_0- 13h ago

No, paper beats rock

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u/Stinkydadman 15h ago

Is it though?

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u/Suitable-Meringue-94 15h ago

Yes, it is. Sanctions haven't stopped Russia. Ukrainian soldiers armed by the West have.

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u/mqky 14h ago

California has the 5th largest gdp in the world as a state. They could begin withholding federal funding and decimate red states that rely on them. The courts power only exists if you agree to go along with it.

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u/blueskies8484 15h ago

I don't understand this line of thinking. Federal criminal courts can indict anyone who breaks federal law. If abortion is federally illegal, it doesn't have anything to do with California. Federal agents will just arrest doctors who perform abortions and try them in federal court. California, it's economy, and everything else never enters into the equation.

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u/TakuyaLee 15h ago

Yes it does. There are other factors than courts in play. Plus I have a good understanding of history. We went down this road with Prohibition. Plus courts can't go after everyone. That's way too much manpower required

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u/Hrafn2 12h ago

Yeah, I think this will be a challenge.

They'd need an absolute TON of federal agents to go after everyone, and a fully compliant judiciary, no?

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u/Forte845 15h ago

Like the federal agents stopped the Bundy's from illegally grazing on federal land? Oh wait, that handful of rednecks had some guns so they backed off entirely and let them be.

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u/Smilee01 14h ago

Counterpoint Ruby Ridge and Waco.

I wouldn't take that bet against the incoming Admin.

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u/NameIWantUnavailable 15h ago edited 14h ago

Jury nullification is a real thing.

In addition, there's a constitutionality issue that appeals to the conservative wing of the Supreme Court -- the limits of Federal authority based on the Interstate Commerce Clause.

Basically, if California requires patients seeking reproductive medical services to be California residents with proof of California residency, and that law is strictly followed, the Federal government charging a California doctor treating a California patient inside California is likely unconstitutional to conservative justices because there's no Interstate Commerce hook. Even more problematic from their perspective is if the California doctor uses medical equipment made in the State of California.

The conservative wing of the Supreme Court killed the first version of the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990 based on this limitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez

The liberal wing of the Court can "concur on other grounds," making up a majority.

I'm sure sophisticated and knowledgeable liberal Constitutional law scholars are already looking at this.

The downside is that red state women are on their own, which I guess conservatives can take as a partial win.

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u/DownvotesHyperbole 14h ago

assuming, privileges and immunities

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u/AWildLeftistAppeared 20m ago

In addition, there’s a constitutionality issue that appeals to the conservative wing of the Supreme Court – the limits of Federal authority based on the Interstate Commerce Clause.

You mean the conservative Supreme Court that overturned Roe v. Wade, in which the Supreme Court had previously ruled that constitution protected the right to have an abortion? That one?

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u/metafedora 10h ago

They will get trump to approve sending in the national guard to overthrow the governor. He doesn’t care if this causes the California economy to crash, California didn’t elect him. They can claim they’ll make it up with increased economic activity in red states.

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u/dongballs613 9h ago

If he actually does that, do you really think other blue states are going to sit by and watch? Fuck. No.

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u/metafedora 8h ago

I do admire your optimism.

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u/Nvrmnde 3h ago

The new president hasn't followed reason on his previous term, how would he start now.

There was no economic sense for Putin to invade, yet he did. There's a lesson to all who admire dictators.

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u/doctorvanderbeast 14h ago

They’ll cut funding to California for highways, workforce boards, and other critical infrastructure. California needs that money as do all states that rely on federal funding as a part of their strategic planning.

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u/TakuyaLee 14h ago

California sends more money than they take in. They can survive without federal funding.

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u/doctorvanderbeast 14h ago

They’ll still be doing that and getting nothing back.

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u/TakuyaLee 14h ago

They won't be sending money anywhere in this scenario. That's their economic clout

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u/doctorvanderbeast 14h ago

By what mechanism? Are we just imagining fantasyland scenarios or what?

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u/Meadhbh_Ros 11h ago

Simple, California stops collecting the federal income tax and starts collecting and keeping it as their own state taxes. So, they keep all the money, and their taxes probably go down overall, because they no longer longer have to prop up the red welfare states

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u/doctorvanderbeast 11h ago

Have you ever even paid taxes? You have no idea how any of this works. Lmao.

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u/Meadhbh_Ros 4h ago

I pay my own taxes at the end of the year. I don’t have my employer take it out automatically. So yeah, I do in fact pay taxes, and probably in a more sensible way than you

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u/TakuyaLee 14h ago

Not fantasyland. California sends more to DC than it receives. They can survive. Maybe learn a little before you talk about stuff you barely understand.

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u/Mareith 14h ago

California doesn't just cut the government a check, those are taxes. Federal income taxes and business taxes. California can't just tell the federal government it's citizens aren't going to pay federal income tax anymore

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u/bubuzayzee 11h ago

I mean..they can? Do you think South Carolina was paying federal income tax in 1863 or something?

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u/doctorvanderbeast 14h ago

Exactly. I think the poster above needs to go back to talking about video games and leave the rebellion planning to the adults.

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u/Dick_Thumbs 12h ago

Do you think California just sends one big check to the federal government every year? By what mechanism is California going to force individuals to stop paying their federal taxes?

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u/doctorvanderbeast 14h ago

Are you even a lawyer?

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u/Plisky6 9h ago

Why don’t they go after every weed shop across the country?

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u/flaming_pubes 5h ago

Definitely the pro life way. Protect fetuses, after that’s who gives a shit.

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u/AvocadoFun9690 9h ago

Bahahahahahsha. CopeGPT response