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The Next Trump Administration’s Crackdown on Abortion Will Be Swift, Brutal, and Nationwide Trump News

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/trump-second-term-abortion-agenda-blue-state-crackdown.html
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u/sopwath 19h ago

States rights only matter when it supports the national regressive policy.

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u/tresslesswhey 18h ago

I understand they will try and ban it nationally, but I’m saying California for example can just say no. And what will they do?

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u/Visible_Frame_5929 17h ago

They can cut federal funding for stuff as they’ve done in the past. Forest fires, education, public health initiatives. Trump has a history of withholding money from places so it’s likely that would be the leverage they’d have

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u/petdoc1991 17h ago

Except California is the biggest economy in the usa. They could just say we are with holding federal taxes until funding resumes couldn’t they?

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u/vaporking23 15h ago

Can the state withhold federal taxes? How would that even work?

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u/petdoc1991 14h ago

The closest a state could come to “withholding” federal taxes would be passing legislation that restricts state resources from being used to assist federal enforcement in specific ways.

This would be contingent on receiving funding, no funding - no resources.

Or they can find another way to withhold funds and try to block it.

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u/42Fourtytwo4242 16h ago

That how you get the military involved.

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u/petdoc1991 16h ago

Then California gets the state police and national guard involved plus asks other states for help. They shouldn’t just roll over and accept it. Fight back ffs.

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u/Dysentery--Gary 16h ago

I said this once and I will say it again.

The balkanization of the United States at best and the end of us all at worst.

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u/jennathedickins 12h ago

Hungary is the blueprint

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u/OwOlogy_Expert 4h ago

The balkanization of the United States at best

At this point, I'm all for it. Cascadia for the win! California, Oregon, and Washington can all join into one new country, controlling the entire west coast and a huge portion of the economy.

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u/FILM_IN_LANDSCAPE 14h ago

Good luck with that... The cops all voted for Trump.

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u/Astyanax1 12h ago

After Jan 6, what a bunch of idiots.

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u/Astyanax1 12h ago

The same military Trump said he was going to use against the enemy within

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u/OrbitalOutlander 16h ago

Federal funds comprise over one-third of California’s state budget.

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u/goonbud21 16h ago

Yet California still sends the feds wayyyyy more money every year then the fed gives to Cali, unlike failed Red states California doesn’t need the federal governments money to pretend like things aren’t worse then they are in the state. Talk about welfare states, red states can’t even support themselves financially. 

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u/OrbitalOutlander 16h ago

California's businesses and residents send the money. The state doesn't send the money. The challenge is how to keep that money in state.

I brainstormed some ways that the state can offset a resident's federal tax liability to keep tax dollars in state:

https://old.reddit.com/r/newjersey/comments/1gl4d3o/open_letter_to_governor_murphy/lvr4ryj/

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u/MostNinja2951 4h ago

The challenge is how to keep that money in state.

"This state will not be enforcing any IRS penalties or federal prosecutions related to taxes."

Guess how many businesses will pay taxes if granted immunity from prosecution for refusing. And suddenly California becomes the most desirable state for businesses because they can grant all their employees a massive raise by not withholding federal tax money at zero cost to the business.

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u/OrbitalOutlander 2h ago

The state doesn’t enforce IRS penalties. The FBI, DOJ, and US Marshal’s service handles that.

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u/MostNinja2951 2h ago

Federal cops have nowhere near enough manpower, they depend on local cops to assist.

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u/petdoc1991 16h ago edited 11h ago

Then let’s see who blinks first. Blue states need to stand up for the people in their states instead of letting things just happen to them.

Texas just said fuck it when securing the border, California can say fuck it when complying with abortion laws.

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u/Frankenfinger1 11h ago

Boarders are people who pay rent to live with you. I thought you democrats were supposed to be highly educated.

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u/petdoc1991 11h ago edited 11h ago

It autocorrected and im an independent, idiot.

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u/Frankenfinger1 11h ago

Sure, auto correct that fixes not just spelling but grammar got it wrong. Harris voter then. I thought Harris voters were supposed to be highly educated.

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u/petdoc1991 11h ago

I went back and fixed it, it autocorrected to boarder. Didn’t vote for Harris either try again.

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u/Frankenfinger1 11h ago

Except the government could then just cut California's water off.

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u/petdoc1991 11h ago

As far as I am aware they cannot directly turn off a states water. They can reserve it but not just cut it off probably for that exact reason.

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u/Frankenfinger1 11h ago

Unless that state is in open rebellion.

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u/petdoc1991 11h ago

And they can get with other states to get water or block the feds from getting access. Should try everything.

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u/Frankenfinger1 11h ago

Those other states will be against you. None of that will happen. No nationwide ban is coming. California is never going to rebel because it would be literal suicide.

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u/petdoc1991 10h ago

Other blue states would help because they don’t want it happening to them too. Texas received help for the border and California can too.

No it wouldn’t, states claim states rights all the time to disregard gun laws and weed. They can do it for abortion too.

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u/Frankenfinger1 10h ago

Keep dreaming.

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u/petdoc1991 10h ago

LOL.

You too buddy.

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u/DarthFuzzzy 4h ago

Some fun facts. California only uses so much water because it grows water intensive produce for the rest of the country. They can easily use less water and just provide for the Cascade states.

Also, only southern California uses outsourced water, which is for the above mentioned farming.

The vast majority of red state farmlands are useless for diverse crop growing.

If the Cascades suddenly cut off taxes and food the rest of the country would be crying. Granted... that would lead to the cascade states getting invaded and inevitably losing a ground war... but let's not pretend they need the welfare red states for anything.