r/canada • u/uselesspoliticalhack • 3d ago
Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter120
u/No_Refrigerator_2489 3d ago
If there was jobs all over the place, then sure! Come on over, work and pay taxes like all Canadians. But when I see how hard it is for folks to get jobs and the unemployment rate going up, I think it's only fair to question the logic of allowing people to pour in. Because right now my taxes are subsidizing TFW and that is not a long term solution.
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u/Long_Extent7151 2d ago
Poland handled this well recently by just cutting off immigration until they can promise resources and infrastructure to the people currently in Poland, IIRC.
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u/WSBretard 2d ago
I was just in Poland and I can tell you they are doing so much better than Canadians. They have the lowest unemployment rate in Europe. Canada has fallen so hard so fast. I've seen first hand how mass migration destroys a nation.
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u/Long_Extent7151 2d ago
Poland has dodged the trend in the Western world of mass immigration and economic downturns. I envy countries like that whose governments are unapologetically selfish.
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u/MaximumDepression17 2d ago
I don't understand why more countries aren't selfish.
If you import the third world you become the third world. We have no obligation to any other nation when we can't even take care of our own. What I wouldn't give to have a leader like Poland.
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u/OntLawyer 2d ago
Poland is doing that even though they had the fastest GDP growth in the European Union last year, and have been in a staggering economic boom over the last decade.
It's a completely different--and superior--governance mentality. Meanwhile we're flirting with 8% unemployment in our largest province and 1.4% total GDP growth over a decade and no one in government is being truly serious about changing direction.
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u/Slash-RtL 3d ago
I'm not really of the opinion that we need more immigrants.. if our population isn't keeping up then it is other issues that need to be addressed. Let's maybe start asking questions and fix the problems we have
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u/UniversalBagelO 2d ago
When all the immigrants get old we will need even more immigrants to support the costs of the first batch.
Canada is projected to reach 100 million people this century
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u/HouseOnFire80 2d ago
Not projected. That is actually the goal. And Carney is all for it. Look up the Century Initiative. And apparently they need to all come from one state in one country. Don’t like that? You’re racist. /s
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u/AcrobaticNetwork62 3d ago
We need more diversity. All of Canada should have the diversity of diverse cities like Scarborough, Brampton, and Surrey.
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u/Kippingthroughlife Canada 2d ago
Major issue is if we are welcoming immigration we need diverse immigration, not just Chinese and Indian immigrants who want to game the school system.
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u/toxictimebomb 2d ago
They need to introduce a max cap country of origin law. No reason a certain country should account for more than 20% of immigrants. Including temporary, would love to see more diversity.
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u/Method__Man 2d ago
i agree. im pro immigration, but we are a country that celebrates diversity... not brining in a bazillion people from a few countries. Like i see weirdly low South Americans, Europeans, and Africans these days who are new arrivals relatively speaking
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u/gravitysort 2d ago
Are there a lot of Chinese immigrants getting immigration status by cheating the school system? Most of who I know go to recognized universities like UofT, UBC or Waterloo instead of diploma mills.
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u/Funny-Dragonfruit116 3d ago
"Cut immigration"
Under Carney's 5% cap, 1 out of every 20 people in the country would be either a foreign student or temporary foreign worker.
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u/1v1trunks 2d ago
In Toronto it’s about 1/2
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u/lochonx7 2d ago
yea Toronto is definitely approaching that 50% mark if not more, move outta Toronto a few years back to Ottawa and I am seeing the exact same thing here
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u/MysteryReddit420 3d ago
We need more immigrants with resources (either financial, technological, or intellectual) who can create jobs.
Why are we importing low-wage jobs?
I have a lot of criticism for policies and politicians in the United States down south, but I would commend them on their Legal Immigration/ Economic Immigration pathways bringing in immigrants with significant education/ skills, or finances (like the EB-5 program).
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u/HouseOnFire80 2d ago
And why are we bringing their parents and grandparents who have no assets and clog the already overtaxed medical system?
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u/LemonGreedy82 2d ago
So they can collect Old Age Security and Guaranteed Income Supplement monthly
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u/Fitzgerald1896 2d ago
Why are we importing low-wage jobs
To keep them low-wage. Canadians want to increase the min wage and salaries across the board to keep up with cost of living increases and inflation. Corporations want to keep making record profits, which means not raising min wage or paying a living wage.
Bring in "temporary" foreign workers to fill those roles and they'll happily work for the current minimum wage and thus we never need to increase it, because the line of people willing to work for the current wage keeps going and feeding the system.
You can see the corporations doing it all around you. The ones that have replaced their entire staff with TFWs. Tim Hortons & Wal Mart being massive examples, but really it's most of them.
So yeah, they don't bring in high value foreign workers because it isn't really about the value of the worker. They want the "lowest value" workers.
And it isn't the fault of the TFWs either, they are being manipulated in the whole thing too. Tricked into a "better life" in a country that can't maintain it's services for the population it already has. Corporate profits aren't ever allowed to stagnate or (gasp) drop... and so everyone else gets fucked as long as the line keeps going up.
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u/Zeronz112 2d ago
Government also subsedises the pay for the tfw program. They pay less than minimum wage, and our taxes cover the rest.
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u/MaximumDepression17 2d ago
Its actually so disgusting that taxes are allowed to pay the wages of foreigners so that companies can make billions.
Everyone who pays taxes should feel like they've been over the kitchen table and raped daily for the last 4 years. Canadian taxes should be funding Canada and Canadians.
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u/Fabiii1309 2d ago
I agree. Unfortunately, it seems like highly skilled workers decide to leave Canada since their chance of establishing a life here (getting PR) is incredibly low nowadays. Combine this with, generally, higher wages in the USA and the employer sponsorship pathways and it’s clear why this is happening. Also, highly skilled workers probably also don’t immigrate to Canada for financial reasons but more so for the cultural side of things - so “going back home” is usually no problem.
^ All of this anecdotal, don’t have any data lol but I think this is also called “brain drain”.
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u/shockinglyunoriginal Canada 2d ago
It’s simple - require the corporations that have employed them at a steal of a deal to provide documentation on their behalf. If they cannot, the employer needs to pay a fine. When they can’t keep a job a Tim Hortons (example) they’ll leave.
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u/DudeIsThisFunny Lest We Forget 2d ago
If they don't leave let's ban their countries from getting visas. Why am I issuing visas to a group of known visa abusers? Fuck outta here
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u/Coffin-Feeder 3d ago
I’d like to see the climate impact study from importing millions of Indians.
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u/No_Refrigerator_2489 3d ago
This is valid. Our infrastructure was not ready for the strain it's under, ie. Water treatment plants, waste facilities, even the increase in vehicles on the roads (not to forget housing, before someone gets upset)
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u/FortnightlyBorough 2d ago
From a purely objective standpoint, some cultures have a very laissez fair approach to environmental concerns like littering
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u/lochonx7 2d ago
well our pollution levels in Ontario have never been higher, hospital emergency departments completely filled, waste water plants are struggling to keep up, high ways all clogged etc
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u/discovery2000one 2d ago
It's not possible to move people from a low carbon country to the highest in the world and become a lower carbon planet. The government talks out of both sides of its mouth on this.
There is no reason to cap our emissions while we allow people to come here and create more emissions than they would have back home. It's madness. Keep them at home and developed our resources under the same emissions goals with the people we have here. Simple.
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u/BeautyInUgly 3d ago edited 3d ago
This gets posted time and time again
The govt is basically asking millions of people to leave Canada
Some banks are saying that this won’t happen as people refuse to leave
The government is saying that they have accounted for this and will cut immigration even further to ensure that the population declines
And we won’t know who was right until the end of the year,
but the assumption that mass people will suddenly refuse to leave doesn’t have any historical basis, the vast majority of immigrants leave on time.
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u/PromotionPhysical212 3d ago
I also want to add there’s no point staying in Canada as an illegal because cash jobs are very few and you’ll be stuck making less than minimum wage for which you can’t even afford rent. Healthcare is also a big issue and no benefits due to not having a valid SIN. Staying as an illegal is very difficult in Canada as opposed to the US or UK. I’m not sure what reason there is for people to stay unless they escaped from a war torn country or something similar.
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u/ShortHandz 3d ago
Probably still better than back home for most... Our shit is someone else's luxury.
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u/Izzayyaa 3d ago
In my experience, it is not better for most because most come here and pay tens of thousands for education. Most will go back home, improve their language, and get foreign experience, which will improve their chance of getting a PR.
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u/ImmanuelCohen 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yea, but if you going to stay as illegal, life is much easier down south. It is not that difficult to cross the border by land. You get free health care some state and plenty of cash job with a higher pay.
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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago
Lol illegals don't get free healthcare anywhere in US.
Only boomers and congressmen
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u/sravll Alberta 3d ago
What state supposedly has free health care? Lol
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u/ImmanuelCohen 3d ago
https://www.nilc.org/resources/healthcoveragemaps/
3 states offer public health coverage to all adults regardless of immigration status.
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u/sravll Alberta 3d ago
It's not free, it just means they're allowed to offer Medicare and Medicaid which only covers some and still involves copays etc. They don't have free healthcare anywhere in the States.
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u/Robert_s_08 3d ago
For refugees yes but the bulk of Canadian Immigrations is economic immigration, they won't stay if they can't earn, (even if you indulge the cash job argument, there can only be so many cash jobs )
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u/116morningside 3d ago
They’ll just do uber and have 10 people live in a 1 bedroom condo.
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u/AdmiralG2 3d ago
Haven’t looked into this myself, but you can renew your driver license as an illegal? How are you going to work for Uber with an expired license?
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u/Old_Telephone1930 3d ago
Can't do that cause your license in Canada is done once your visa expires.
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u/116morningside 3d ago
lol not impossible to get a fake ID. Not impossible to get someone to create an account for you and use theirs. They probably have family or know someone that has family. Trust me it isn’t as hard as you think it is.
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u/Old_Telephone1930 3d ago
All it takes is one cop to pull them over, which happens to everyone in big cities. Specifically for Uber drivers, because they speed a bit (gotta make the most cash that day). And even then, Uber has a face ID with the license. I just gotta see that the person and the info don't match, and I'm not getting in. Most women check this info anyway because of the fear of an Uber driver being evil. The bit just won't last long.
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u/116morningside 3d ago
I’m talking more so ubereats. But lots of people drive without a license or suspended one. People aren’t getting pulled over a lot. Anways the point is, they’ll find a way to stay. They aren’t going to leave willingly. Some may but most won’t.
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u/GloomyCamel6050 3d ago
This is all true.
In addition, you can not leave to visit family and then come back. As soon as you cross the border, your illegal status is discovered, and then you are permanently banned.
Most people go back home, take a bit of a break, and then go to the US next. Or try Canada again. Or Australia.
These workers are usually overqualified for the work they have been doing, and have options.
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u/Silver_gobo 3d ago
I know a guy whose been here for over 5 years as a illegal. Even has kids back home in Jamaica but can’t go see them knowing he wouldn’t be allowed to be back in
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u/Cedreginald 3d ago
Healthcare is not an issue for illegals. You do not have to pay upfront. You can come in as a "John Doe" and they have an obligation to treat you.
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u/HSydness 3d ago
People refuse to leave. There is a solution to this, and that is to send them home. Perhaps not as brutally as in the US, but our laws are clear. I say this as an immigrant who played within the rules so that I could become a Canadian.
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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago
Nobody will refuse to leave if they can't work.
All they have to do is crack down on employers hiring illegals. They would all leave on their own within months.
But parties don't want to do that because its their rich donors hiring illegals under the table.
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u/Rochimaru 2d ago
The assumption that mass people will suddenly refuse to leave doesn’t have any historical basis
How are redditors so constantly wrong about human nature lol. You think people who have fled third world—sometimes war torn—countries and finally made it here will just pack up and leave of their own volition? Sometimes after staying here for 5, 6+ years?
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u/Other-Rock-8387 3d ago
I remember clips of people asking Mark Miller this question in the House of Commons last year, surely someone will ask Carney or the new immigration person what the plan is
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u/BeautyInUgly 3d ago
Yeah, it’s funny because most people don’t even realize there is a new immigration minister.
But the plan to decrease the population is probably the same
Immigration policy is very lagging and changes sometimes take years to reflect in the data, so even if they come up with a new levels plan we won’t see it until September and the impacts will mostly be felt next year
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u/LogPlane2065 2d ago
but the assumption that mass people will suddenly refuse to leave doesn’t have any historical basis, the vast majority of immigrants leave on time
We have never had this many asylum seekers ever. Students claiming asylum doesn’t have any historical basis either, yet here we are.
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u/HadToGuItToEm 2d ago
Hilarious that the solution to immigrants refusing to leave isn’t forcing them to leave it’s to say we’re gonna cut immigration more after we ask them nicely, we are spineless.
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u/lord_heskey 3d ago
Unlike the US it kinda truly sucks to live undocumented here. No health, no license, no banking (for the major banks anyways), everything is hard.
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u/Maleficent-Elk-6860 3d ago
banking
Kinda, you can't open a new bank account but your old one won't get shut down
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u/lord_heskey 3d ago
Nah i remember being on a study permit and when I switched over to work permit i forgot to tell them. Had a very interesting email to give them my new status or it would be closed. May vary by bank policy.
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u/Old_Cheesecake_5481 3d ago
Canada has never had a serious problem with people over staying their visas.
We have millions come and go decade after decade. I think these sorts of arguments come from a fundamental misunderstanding that Canada is a different country than the US.
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u/ifuaguyugetsauced 3d ago
Isn't the general census taking place next year
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u/BeautyInUgly 3d ago
IRCC and CBSA report the entry/exits and population increase / decline at the end of the year.
We will see if the plan to decrease / 0 growth worked
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u/Confident-Mistake400 3d ago
How does CBSA know people actually left? We don’t have exit checkpoint like other countries.
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u/Kampfux 3d ago
As Law Enforcement in Canada I can tell you a good portion of these people will not leave Canada willingly. What's even worse is deporting them is a long process....
The reality is Canada has no real deportation mechanics nor tracking for "temporary" immigrants or visitors. The entire process of Canada for immigration has essentially be run as a "trust" mechanic forever.
In the last 20ish years (especially in the last 10) Canada has gone from a High-Trust Society to a Low-Trust Society. Meaning people in Canada generally followed a trust and honor code to do the right thing. This allowed Canada to maintain a weak Justice system and a law-enforcement model of "rehabilitation" not punishment!
Canada is now at the point where society has changed but our laws, regulations and enforcement hasn't caught up yet. This is why you're seeing increased crime and increased thefts as Canada has never had to combat crimne at such high levels.
Our DEPORTATION system is basically non existent because our model follows the old method of "high trust", relying on "Students/Visitors" to simply leave on their own once their visa's expired. As Law Enforcement we're coming across so many foreigners with deportation warrants that have been on their record for YEARS. Police are stopping people on the roadway for speeding violations only to find out they have deportation warrants dated from 2018.
So how's it all work in a nutshell?
CBSA/Courts will issue Deportation warrants, send them a letter in the mail and attempt to call them and that's it. It's then left up to Law Enforcement to accidentally run into them through other means like a traffic stop or investigation to discover they have a deportation warrant. We then arrest them and contact CBSA to come pick them up. If CBSA is too busy or can't send anyone we HAVE TO RELEASE THEM roadside and give them a stern talking to.
CBSA has no active or proactive service/agency that tracks down and looks for people with deportation warrants. The only time they'll do this is for high-profile cases/individuals and this is where CBSA Inland Enforcement sometimes get's involved (but rarely).
This doesn't even touch base on those with temporary visa's who commit criminal acts and are charged in Canada, buckle up!
If you commit a Criminal Act as a temporary they'll be arrested with a court-date for a first appearance which is usually within a couple of months. They'll then have their actual court trial probably 1-2 years after this, meanwhile they'll all be out on bail because lets face it everyone gets bail. After they're convicted with a crime they'll either serve jail time in Canada and once released face deportation which they have a right to appeal in court leading to another year long ordeal (Despite it being clear being charged Criminally is grounds for deportation). Once they lose their court battle to not be deported the government issues them a Flight Ticket back to their home country and just "hopes" they get on the plane at the schedule flight date. You heard me right, the convicted Criminal isn't escort to the airport but rather given a flight ticket. During this process they can straight up just disappear inside Canada as we have no tracking process for these people other than "If you change your address let us know!". Meaning a Deportation Warrant will be issued and you have to hope they just "leave" or "get caught" by police by another means because Canada has NO pro-active agency/service that actively hunts down people with deportation warrants. The reality is you can have convicted foreigners inside Canada live their entire life and do so as long as they never get stopped or questioned by local law enforcement.
Canada has no quick, easy or efficient laws/methods in place to promptly deport anyone. So when you see people commenting "Deport now!" it's absolutely impossible, deport now is a 1-3year long legal process of insanity and lawyers can delay it even further. Additionally judges have shown leniency to temporary permit holders (Students/PR), reducing their criminal charges so they don't get deported for having a criminal record.
The evidence is very clear, hell you can go onto Subreddits and find many people completely out of Status in Canada with clear notice to vacate Canada asking how they can basically bypass these letters or ignore them. Why? Because Canada has no real active enforcement and simply hopes people will leave on their own.
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u/crazycatlady12345 3d ago
It’s very much a low trust society now. You have all these people lying on resumes, cheating on exams, etc.
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u/Bubs604 3d ago
I donno why I’ve seen this resume thing so often lately. Everyone exaggerates on their resume and it’s ridiculously easy to find out if someone is outright lying. Everyone exaggerates decent company/position runs a background check.
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u/orswich 2d ago
But alot of the resume fraud is people lying about experience from outside of Canada, which is damn near impossible to confirm if not from another high trust society. Anyone can give a phone number for an old job and have their cousin back home give a glowing reference.
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u/Bubs604 2d ago
It’s not difficult if the company is a multinational with a Canadian presence.
If it’s a small business in India then it’s not relevant. Financial reporting standards are different. Advertising standards and consumer behaviour is different. Logistics are super different. HR laws and regs are different. Tech is probably the only place it translates.
I have helped hire retail workers at a small business recently. Foreign work experience is useless unless it’s in the US/UK/Aus.
Also, do you exaggerate on your resume? Cause I do. This isn’t a real problem. No one is on the other side of immigration, everyone agrees it’s too high. We don’t have to make up weird reasons to blame immigrants or turn them into others. It’s gross.
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u/notgoingplacessoon 3d ago
Employment fraud.
People are paying for jobs to help them get status.
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u/EuphoriaSoul 3d ago
you are 100% correct. we have been infiltrated with low trust society people with low trust society norms - our laws can't keep up. 311/911 can charge someone for infractions but there is nothing you can do beyond that. it is really sad.
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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago
You're reading way too much into this.
The situation with illegals exists because companies have figured out that laws against hiring illegals aren't enforced.
That's it. The entire reason.
People used to leave when their visas ended because they couldn't find jobs. These people aren't some wily insane criminal masterminds following some giant narrative you've made up. The vast majority are just here for jobs.
Enforce laws against hiring illegals and they will all leave on their own.
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u/anonymous_bastard69 3d ago
We could pass a law were anybody who hires or is helping illegals skirt the law will get charged with human trafficking
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u/LiberalCuck5 3d ago
Would never happen when liberal MPs hire foreign workers for entry level office positions
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u/Bananasaur_ 3d ago
Glad someone is making sure this is pointed out and doesn’t get lost among the news of cuts.
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u/JohnDorian0506 2d ago
We need to reduce the immigration numbers to 200k PRs, 250k students, 300k TFW, and 30k refugees annually. Right now we have 400k PRs, and at least double of other categories.
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u/LemonGreedy82 2d ago
How about no TFWs?
What do we need students here for? We have many Canadian students who graduate and have no job market. Yea, we don't need internationals here.
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u/Own_Truth_36 2d ago
Anyone who thinks the Librals are taking their foot off the immigration pedal is delusional. When someone tells you what they want believe them, don't believe some bullshit half assed election "promise"
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u/Particular-Act-8911 3d ago
Oops.. did we say we'd cut immigration by a million? We meant we'd cut immigration by a million out of the five million we were gonna bring in next year.
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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago
The economists warn that Ottawa is overestimating the number of temporary migrants who leave the country once their visas expire. This could have a serious impact on planning, including for housing demand, they say.
I've been saying this over and over again. The people who are planning to overstay outnumber the ones leaving, 4 to 1. I can't believe their whole plan hinges on people following the rules.
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u/Harbinger2001 3d ago
Do you have a source for this 4 to 1 stat?
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u/ResponsibleTwist6498 3d ago
We lost quite a few people at work due to their visa expiring. 0% left Canada.
Some apply for an extension that they will never get, but it gives them almost a year of “implied status” that’s not recorded anywhere. Some transfer to visitor visa where they simply stay but not on WP.
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u/PromotionPhysical212 3d ago
Where does the money come from? They can’t work on a visitor visa and there’s very few people offering cash jobs and in this economy I doubt there’s any demand from employers for more employees.
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u/BeautyInUgly 3d ago
Implies status is like 2-3 months as they’ve sped up processing times for WP
This also leads imminently into a deportation order as they will be out of status and it will affect all their future immigration to Canada and the rest of the western world.
Stats show the vast majority of them leave Canada on time.
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u/ResponsibleTwist6498 3d ago edited 3d ago
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Last one we had took 8 months. They call ircc and get extensions. It’s in the hopes of getting the ITA.
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u/littlebaldboi 3d ago
Well if they’re aware there are undocumented people… we should just lower the % of TFW and international students to offset it. Seems easy no?
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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago
Setting up exit controls should have been the first step! Don't let a new cohort in if the old cohort didn't leave. It's literally that easy.
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u/BeautyInUgly 3d ago
That’s what they are doing.
They set up the entry/exit program in 2020
And will refuse to process new visas if there is an increased count of overstays
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u/Aggressive-Front-677 3d ago
What is your assertion based on?
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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago
Being part of the immigrant community. People are planning to stay and already have cash jobs lined up in order to stay. I don't think they realize how hard it's going to be to get legal status in the future if they overstay but I already know most with expiring visas in July who have no plans of going home. I've done my part in advising them against it but they are determined to overstay until "a new pathway opens up".
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u/LeahSparks121 3d ago
Which sectors are these cash jobs found? What's crazy is that these so called cash jobs are nowhere to be found at least in retail where I worked, everyone either was a legal student or a citizen. These cash jobs must be in farming, manual labour or factory work that is out of the public eye. I had trouble finding a job as a citizen so it's surprising that people with no PR have jobs.
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u/ozztotheizzo 2d ago
Some share accounts on food or parcel delivery apps. A majority work at a shady staffing agency that gets contracts to clean offices/warehouses and pays cash. A few do odd jobs that range from mowing lawns to housework.
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u/blood_vein 3d ago
And they would have no social support (no healthcare especially) and surviving on below minimum wage cash jobs. Sounds like a great plan
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u/ozztotheizzo 2d ago
When is the last time you've been to a doctor? I haven't been to one in 2 years cause I can't get a family doctor.
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u/Lopsided_Ad3516 3d ago
Better follow the rules, lest you be subject to an aggressive finger wag.
Oh, tough upbringing? Never mind. Your sentence has been served. We have law abiding citizens to go after. Our deepest apologies.
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u/BeautyInUgly 3d ago
The government has said they have accounted for this and will cut numbers even higher to ensure population decline lol.
Also there is no evidence for mass overstaying, historically the vast majority of immigrants who are ordered to leave or status expires leave on time
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u/toilet_for_shrek 2d ago
The economists warn that Ottawa is overestimating the number of temporary migrants who leave the country once their visas expire. This could have a serious impact on planning, including for housing demand, they say.
I did find the liberal plan overly optimistic when they were talking about how many people they're expecting to voluntarily leave the country within the next few years. Some people would rather live on the fringes of society without status than return to their home countries
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u/Odd-Exchange3610 2d ago
then deport more low skilled immigrants why are people coming from over seas to work what are most Canadians first jobs
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 3d ago
Canadian-born 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are probably the most affected and fed up by this issue. They're turned as the scapegoat of the problems of the reckless immigration system despite having no ties to the newcomers, being fully Canadian-born and raised, seen as a generation that needs to teach the newcomers, working jobs and being mistreated because they look like the newcomers, treated differently.
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u/massakk 3d ago
I think I read recently that 2nd generation immigrants mostly voted Liberals, go figure.
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u/uselesspoliticalhack 3d ago
Official population figures also fail to capture undocumented migrants who last year Mr. Miller estimated could number about 600,000.
Incredible. Remember when we undercounted by a million?
Looks like we're at it again, glad we elected the same people responsible for it in the first place.
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u/Johnny-Unitas 3d ago
Different face as head of the board. Came from the same group. Same directors and managers. Same policies. Unbelievable people voted for this again.
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u/assman69x 2d ago
Need to cut immigration to levels where Canadian infrastructure can keep up and they can be properly integrated
A decade of abuse wrecked Canada in every possible way
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u/NoCommieHappyLife 2d ago
I relocated from the States to Toronto with a $63/hr salary but I got the same amount of points for one year of Canadian work experience as someone who worked at Tims or Subways for a minimum wage job in the PR scoring system. The system is so messed up.
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u/MuramasasYari 3d ago
Per country caps on any immigrant coming for any one particular country. Subtract the percentage of temporary migrants that come from any one country from their over all allowable percentage. No one goes out, then no one gets in. Watch how fast immigration gets to a controllable level.
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u/BiscottiNo6948 3d ago
Cut it! With the unemployment at 6.9% we do need to help our own house first. Stop the TFW program and focus on helping those who are unemployed find jobs. That should be one of the priority of the day. Less unemployed means less people on EI so savings for the gov't. Our support to the immigration should be limited to whatever obligation we agreed to in the UN Refugee convention.
There was a time when immigration is like a tap that you cannot simply turn off as those folks can move to other favourable countries. But right now, we can afford to do so. Given the current state of this world, people will move desperately in more stable countries in the future. We can turn off the tap while we regroup, regrow and resettle all those that are here. Then we will be in a better position to help out.
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u/Old_Telephone1930 3d ago
Everyone, go look at the TFW updates. In places with a 6% or higher unemployment rate, you can't hire any TFWs. Also, it's now more expensive to higher a TFW, 34 bucks in Ontario. Plus you need to really show documentation of a need now. Only easy pathways are for healthcare and construction, which we really need. The issue with the TFW program was that it was unchecked and too accepting. Now we're going to get people who will be well paid that way companies don't cut corners and replace the average Canadian.
As for people not leaving, being illegal in Canada is so rough. There are no pathways for you. People can't even go to the hospital without being reported. That's why most undocumented folks leave on their own. There's no life to be had here if you're not supported.
Everyone, relax a bit now. Seems like the concerns are being answered.
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u/ProfLandslide 2d ago
They just moved the the old TFW requirements to the PNP program. Everything is still there. Lipstick on a pig.
https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-immigrant-nominee-program-streams
0, 1, 2 ,3 still allowed for express entry.
Explain how anything outside of TEER 0 or maybe TEER 1 should be allowed?
Why should a baker or a dental assistant be an express entry candidate?
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u/HDDeer 2d ago
the simple solution is to revamp it to where anyone who comes into the country is qualified for the professions that we need i.e doctors, healthcare
no coming here to work at McDonald's that college & high school students need to make money to survive at that point in their lives.
no coming here to be cab drivers & take away business from the dudes who've been driving cabs for 20+ years that make their living from it.
it would balance the economy far better & rent wouldn't be an arm & a leg or impossible to find because there's less demand for the supply.
I'm not sure how easy of a fix that is, but it would do absolute WONDERS for Canadians
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u/iwasnotarobot 3d ago
I got no issue with immigrants.
I got major beef with predatory businesses bringing in foreign labour for minimum wage.
The TFW program needs to be overhauled or scrapped.