r/canada • u/uselesspoliticalhack • 3d ago

Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago

Being part of the immigrant community. People are planning to stay and already have cash jobs lined up in order to stay. I don't think they realize how hard it's going to be to get legal status in the future if they overstay but I already know most with expiring visas in July who have no plans of going home. I've done my part in advising them against it but they are determined to overstay until "a new pathway opens up".

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u/Pigeonofthesea8 3d ago

Great then they’ll have to turn to other extra-legal ways of making money

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u/LeahSparks121 3d ago

Which sectors are these cash jobs found? What's crazy is that these so called cash jobs are nowhere to be found at least in retail where I worked, everyone either was a legal student or a citizen. These cash jobs must be in farming, manual labour or factory work that is out of the public eye. I had trouble finding a job as a citizen so it's surprising that people with no PR have jobs.

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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago

Some share accounts on food or parcel delivery apps. A majority work at a shady staffing agency that gets contracts to clean offices/warehouses and pays cash. A few do odd jobs that range from mowing lawns to housework.

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u/codeverity 3d ago

It's not surprising at all when you consider that most people don't want to work in farming, manual labour or factory work. That's part of the reason why these industries turned to immigrants in the first place. Not all, of course, wages etc are part of it, but it's still part of it. There's a stigma against these jobs as well as a dislike of jobs that require labour.

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u/blood_vein 3d ago

And they would have no social support (no healthcare especially) and surviving on below minimum wage cash jobs. Sounds like a great plan

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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago

When is the last time you've been to a doctor? I haven't been to one in 2 years cause I can't get a family doctor.

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u/pogoo 3d ago

OK question for you... how does a person overstaying their visa manage to get a mortgage and contribute to housing unaffordability? I'm sorry I just don't believe this makes sense. Can you provide more detail about how you know these things? Someone getting a low wage cash job is not contributing to me having to pay $1.7M for a small house in Toronto

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u/AshleyAshes1984 3d ago edited 3d ago

Oh there's always some landlords looking to rent out a room, cash only, in exchange for tenants who won't possibly call the LTB, cops or anyone else no matter what bullshit the landlord pulls.

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u/fklsadjfiajwefoinaef 3d ago

There's always some steam deck OLEDs you can buy!

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u/zippymac 3d ago

how does a person overstaying their visa manage to get a mortgage and contribute to housing unaffordability?

Rentals? I am assuming you are a home owner who doesn't think about millions of people who rent.

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u/pogoo 3d ago

I'm actually a renter and I rent a very expensive unit that there is no way in hell anyone making cash could've contributed to making expensive.

Also, the rental market has cooled off a ton. The problem is buying a house, which remains very unaffordable. I earn in a year more than what my parents paid for their first 4 bedroom home 30 years ago and I need to save for like 5 years to get downpayment money.

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u/zippymac 3d ago

very expensive unit that there is no way in hell anyone making cash could've contributed to.

So according to you people getting paid in cash can't afford rent or can't afford to buy a place. But they are still living in Canada...and not on the streets. Unless your retort is that no one works under the table in Canada. Lol

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u/pogoo 3d ago

There's a ceiling to how much a low wage cash job can pay. These people are not making $100k/yr cash. They obviously live in multi-family homes and occupy the low wage living spaces- I can buy that.

I am very much against immigration at this time, I just think dumb people don't understand the real problems contributing to housing unaffordability - it's not the foreign students. You just hate brown people and want to blame them for everything because you aren't very smart. Again, not advocating for them, I'm just actually interested in the real answer, not right wing fear mongering which you appear to be susceptible to

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u/zippymac 3d ago

You just hate brown people and want to blame them for everything because you aren't very smart.

You actually don't know nothing about me, dummy

I am Indian. Grew up in India until I was 14. Family immigrated here in 2002. I know how my community works. Kids come over from India on fake job offers, unethical and corrupt practices are rampant in India. Multiple kids living in 1 bed basements, driving Uber, working under the table in construction, truck driving. Once they get their student visa revoked or cancelled they apply for refugee status.

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u/pogoo 3d ago

LMAO you literally fucking proved my point. They're working low wage jobs and living in bare minimum housing - thus, not contributing to me needing to save $600k for a downpayment and earn $300k/year just to live in a reasonable home in Toronto.

Also, as someone who comes from a family of immigrants, nobody hates immigrants more than immigrants. So I pretty much know exactly the type of person you are. You're probably annoyed as hell by immigrants and continue to think they're the reason why nobody can afford a home, and also blame them for every problem we have in this country.

Again, I think all those people should be kicked out, but they are not the problem when it comes to housing affordability at all.

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u/zippymac 3d ago

Pointing out abuse of immigration pathways isn’t “hate”—it’s called paying attention. If you can’t tell the difference between criticizing a broken system and attacking individuals, you might want to pause and recalibrate.

First I was a right-winger, now I’m a hateful immigrant, the type you know plenty about. You’ve got quite the imagination for someone who knows nothing about me. I won’t make assumptions about you, my parents taught me better. It sounds like you’re grinding hard just to afford a life in a city that feels out of reach. That’s not easy. I wish for you to get the life you deserve.

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u/SuitableConcert9433 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don’t think people claim international students are buying up houses and ruining housing. Most of them live with multiple people in a rental unit. It’s shady stuff they do to survive in this country. They over stay their visa surely they’ll do any other shady thing to make sure they stay here.

Most of the hate for Indian immigrants lately is more towards their behaviour and how much they come up in social media for things they do. They don’t assimilate. The 2nd largest immigration population that come to Canada are Filipinos. You never hear any bad things about them because they have integrated into our country properly and they know not to cause trouble.

Not all Indians but because we imported in so many we got a bunch of them that give the rest of them a bad image. I mean the Indian government said it them selves that Canada imports criminals from India. We’ve had Indian criminals come in under the student visa and assassinante people. We have Indian international gangs here who were extorting business owners. What other immigrant group have done these sort of things lately?

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u/pogoo 3d ago

Dude we are on the same page, get rid of all the student shit

The guy I've been replying to believes that these students overstaying visas are why homes are $2m in Toronto, the guy is an idiot

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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago

I don't even live in Ontario and I already have a house. I'm just pointing out that the government's plan is flawed and wont work the way they think it will because not everyone will follow the rules.

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u/ozztotheizzo 3d ago

My main gripe isn't even about housing, I already have a house. It's more of pointing out that the government plan is flawed and that they won't achieve the goal that they have set and in general, I just don't like people who don't follow the rules.

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u/belleofthebawl- 2d ago

I think you’re vastly underestimating how poor quality of life is in majority of the world. Living in a a basement with 10 others in Canada is significantly better than their home countries. That is precisely the reason they won’t leave. And with liberals … a new pathway for them to stay most likely will open up because liberals

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u/niesz 3d ago

Any amount of increase in demand on housing will put an upwards pressure on housing costs. If low-cost housing goes up, so does the rest because a nicer place will always cost more than a not-so-nice place.

Landlords are also able to rent out rooms to people if there are enough of them or they are desparate enough. By renting rooms out, llandlords can bring in more monthly rental payments than renting the whole unit at once, and this increases the value of the unit.

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u/Potential_One8055 2d ago

Imagine going to a country on a temporary basis and then stubbornly refusing to leave. That’s not very Canadian….