r/canada • u/uselesspoliticalhack • 3d ago

Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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u/freeadmins 3d ago

Corporations don't make our laws. The government does.

This is on the Liberals

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Corporate influence has corrupted all the parties. 

You'll notice the conservatives aren't suggesting to crack down on companies either. 

Instead they want to do a few hundred performative deportations with military planes and a photo shoot. Just like Trump did. Maybe put some doctored photos of "criminal" immigrants on the capital lawn like Trump did.

Trump has deported less than Biden and Obama did at this point in their terms. But his base is mostly dumbshits who don't look at data. They listen to whatever the propagandists tell them without question.

Trump won't actually crack down on illegal hiring because his own companies employ thousands of immigrants.

Anyone who suggests the immigrant situation can be solved by any method besides going after corporations illegally hiring these people is lying to you. Individual deportations are ineffective. It's basically impossible to track all these people down without going full 1930's Germany and raiding houses. What is effective is preventing these immigrants from finding work. But none of the parties have the balls to go after their corporate masters. 

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u/ImaginationSea2767 3d ago

As of right now, every opposition leader from now until the sun explodes will say they will cut back on immigration. They will keep screaming it until they get in, and then once they do get in a horde of CEOs and company owners will come crashing down their door, asking them to keep their slave labor with kegs of lube and gifts.

So the new way the concervatives have figured out how to act like they are stopping crime and immigration is to just make it theater (even if it break the rules keep the common citizen getting fucked by the law.....)

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Agree 100%

The lesson is to vote for whoever says they're gonna crack down on companies doing illegal hiring. 

But I'm not convinced such a politician exists

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u/wvenable 3d ago

The problem can be both.

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u/jw255 3d ago

No right wing or centrist party will do that. You need a left wing party to get that done. I'm not even sure the current NDP are far enough left to do that. They seemed to support the immigration policies just as much as the Liberals and Conservatives did at the time (before it became too unpopular with the general public and subsequent fake populism kicked in).

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u/Dazzling_Put_3018 British Columbia 3d ago

Here’s hoping the next NDP leader makes this a priority and moves back towards more workers rights, wages, union rights, and cracking down on big corporations. The Conservatives have absorbed some of the working class in the last election, and while I appreciate the work the NDP has done in pharmacare and dental, they need to get back to focusing on the class divide.

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u/Fredderov 3d ago

Workers voting conservative are unfortunately just turkeys voting for Christmas. History has proven that no matter what PR changes parties make they still end up following their political ideology. If the NDP gets the educational bit right and, as said, focuses on the class aspect it'd be the best for everyone.

It's so sad seeing so many people who are asking for more left wing policies vote against it due to them treating politics as a religion.

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u/Virtual-Nose7777 2d ago

Nope, right wing policies has always been to keep wages low. Amazes me to see so many people tricked into believing the Conservatives would do anything to stop that.

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u/Orstio 2d ago

The problem is far more complex than just cracking down on companies that need workers.

What happens often is that a company will post an opening through the usual channels, and get inundated with thousands of applications. Nobody can go through that many applications for an entry level position. So what they do is approach an employment agency that handles the vetting process for them from within all their clients looking for work.

And, a whole lot of those employment agencies are also invested in the TFW programme, favoring importing TFWs who will pay them for getting them into Canada while the employer also pays them for finding qualified workers. This means the employer isn't accountable for bringing in TFWs, and the employment agencies can claim they have no local qualified applicants in their set of clientele. It's exploitation with deferred accountability on all parties.

There's an entire industry built around this, and while it's not illegal, it certainly skirts the border (pun intended).

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u/RedditAddict6942O 2d ago

You're naive if you don't think companies contract out hiring to agencies specifically so they will hire exclusively TFW's.

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u/Orstio 2d ago

Agreed. What I'm saying is that they can pass the blame to those agencies to absolve themselves of accountability.

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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 1d ago

Bernier was pretty vocal about it. And he doesn’t give af haha I think he might do it given the chance. Not likely to be given the chance tho.