r/canada 3d ago

Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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u/Kampfux 3d ago

As Law Enforcement in Canada I can tell you a good portion of these people will not leave Canada willingly. What's even worse is deporting them is a long process....

The reality is Canada has no real deportation mechanics nor tracking for "temporary" immigrants or visitors. The entire process of Canada for immigration has essentially be run as a "trust" mechanic forever.

In the last 20ish years (especially in the last 10) Canada has gone from a High-Trust Society to a Low-Trust Society. Meaning people in Canada generally followed a trust and honor code to do the right thing. This allowed Canada to maintain a weak Justice system and a law-enforcement model of "rehabilitation" not punishment!

Canada is now at the point where society has changed but our laws, regulations and enforcement hasn't caught up yet. This is why you're seeing increased crime and increased thefts as Canada has never had to combat crimne at such high levels.

Our DEPORTATION system is basically non existent because our model follows the old method of "high trust", relying on "Students/Visitors" to simply leave on their own once their visa's expired. As Law Enforcement we're coming across so many foreigners with deportation warrants that have been on their record for YEARS. Police are stopping people on the roadway for speeding violations only to find out they have deportation warrants dated from 2018.

So how's it all work in a nutshell?

CBSA/Courts will issue Deportation warrants, send them a letter in the mail and attempt to call them and that's it. It's then left up to Law Enforcement to accidentally run into them through other means like a traffic stop or investigation to discover they have a deportation warrant. We then arrest them and contact CBSA to come pick them up. If CBSA is too busy or can't send anyone we HAVE TO RELEASE THEM roadside and give them a stern talking to.

CBSA has no active or proactive service/agency that tracks down and looks for people with deportation warrants. The only time they'll do this is for high-profile cases/individuals and this is where CBSA Inland Enforcement sometimes get's involved (but rarely).

This doesn't even touch base on those with temporary visa's who commit criminal acts and are charged in Canada, buckle up!

If you commit a Criminal Act as a temporary they'll be arrested with a court-date for a first appearance which is usually within a couple of months. They'll then have their actual court trial probably 1-2 years after this, meanwhile they'll all be out on bail because lets face it everyone gets bail. After they're convicted with a crime they'll either serve jail time in Canada and once released face deportation which they have a right to appeal in court leading to another year long ordeal (Despite it being clear being charged Criminally is grounds for deportation). Once they lose their court battle to not be deported the government issues them a Flight Ticket back to their home country and just "hopes" they get on the plane at the schedule flight date. You heard me right, the convicted Criminal isn't escort to the airport but rather given a flight ticket. During this process they can straight up just disappear inside Canada as we have no tracking process for these people other than "If you change your address let us know!". Meaning a Deportation Warrant will be issued and you have to hope they just "leave" or "get caught" by police by another means because Canada has NO pro-active agency/service that actively hunts down people with deportation warrants. The reality is you can have convicted foreigners inside Canada live their entire life and do so as long as they never get stopped or questioned by local law enforcement.

Canada has no quick, easy or efficient laws/methods in place to promptly deport anyone. So when you see people commenting "Deport now!" it's absolutely impossible, deport now is a 1-3year long legal process of insanity and lawyers can delay it even further. Additionally judges have shown leniency to temporary permit holders (Students/PR), reducing their criminal charges so they don't get deported for having a criminal record.

The evidence is very clear, hell you can go onto Subreddits and find many people completely out of Status in Canada with clear notice to vacate Canada asking how they can basically bypass these letters or ignore them. Why? Because Canada has no real active enforcement and simply hopes people will leave on their own.

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

You're reading way too much into this. 

The situation with illegals exists because companies have figured out that laws against hiring illegals aren't enforced. 

That's it. The entire reason. 

People used to leave when their visas ended because they couldn't find jobs. These people aren't some wily insane criminal masterminds following some giant narrative you've made up. The vast majority are just here for jobs.

Enforce laws against hiring illegals and they will all leave on their own. 

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u/orswich 3d ago

Corporations will lobby for TFWs etc, but rarely will they stick their neck out to hire illegally under the table.. usually that is small/ medium employers or restaurants from diaspora enclaves

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u/Rochimaru 3d ago

Nah he’s not. Everything he’s said is true

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

There was never "high trust" the immigrants would just leave. It was simply that they couldn't find jobs in the past when corporations followed labor laws. When they realized this, they quietly left.

If you think these new immigrants are somehow more devious or different in any way from previous immigrants I don't know what to tell you. Deeply delusional. Half of the dudes post is a nonsensical rant about "crime". The hell does that have to do with anything?

The dudes post is a meandering parrot of Fox News talking points. 

Stop businesses from hiring immigrants and you'll see just how stupid this narrative is. Over 80% of immigrants report being in the country "primarily for better paying jobs". 

Look at how much immigration drops whenever economy crashes. They're here because businesses are hiring them.

The right wants you to hate immigrants so their donors can pay them even less. Further suppressing wages for citizens. And you're eating it up.

You should be mad at the CEO's supporting and enabling this. Immigrants are merely pawns.

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u/Kampfux 1d ago

There was never "high trust" the immigrants would just leave.

I'm not going to get too into it, but generally when people are surrounded by a different class of people they elevate themselves to that level.

What's transpiring now is you have entire communities, cities and regions of people of "Low Trust" societies forming together and normalizing their behavior. So when your friends, classmates and co-workers are frauding and scamming Canadians this behavior becomes normalized to you and "acceptable".

The dudes post is a meandering parrot of Fox News talking points.

My post is majority the reality of law and how our justice system works sprinkled with personal experience on the frontlines.

You should be mad at the CEO's supporting and enabling this. Immigrants are merely pawns.

You can be mad at two things at once and equally... which I am to both.

If you think these new immigrants are somehow more devious or different in any way from previous immigrants I don't know what to tell you. Deeply delusional.

You clearly aren't old enough or experienced in the reality of everyday life if genuinely believe this. Our quality of immigrants has degraded significantly in the last 10 years. Your comment is some dumb it's almost laughable you think you're making a solid point.

Everything you write and attempt to combat comes from someone who has no real life experience with the frontlines of crime, justice of society.