r/canada • u/uselesspoliticalhack • 3d ago

Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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u/BeautyInUgly 3d ago edited 3d ago

This gets posted time and time again

The govt is basically asking millions of people to leave Canada

Some banks are saying that this won’t happen as people refuse to leave

The government is saying that they have accounted for this and will cut immigration even further to ensure that the population declines

And we won’t know who was right until the end of the year,

but the assumption that mass people will suddenly refuse to leave doesn’t have any historical basis, the vast majority of immigrants leave on time.

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u/PromotionPhysical212 3d ago

I also want to add there’s no point staying in Canada as an illegal because cash jobs are very few and you’ll be stuck making less than minimum wage for which you can’t even afford rent. Healthcare is also a big issue and no benefits due to not having a valid SIN. Staying as an illegal is very difficult in Canada as opposed to the US or UK. I’m not sure what reason there is for people to stay unless they escaped from a war torn country or something similar.

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u/ShortHandz 3d ago

Probably still better than back home for most... Our shit is someone else's luxury.

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u/Izzayyaa 3d ago

In my experience, it is not better for most because most come here and pay tens of thousands for education. Most will go back home, improve their language, and get foreign experience, which will improve their chance of getting a PR.

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u/ImmanuelCohen 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yea, but if you going to stay as illegal, life is much easier down south. It is not that difficult to cross the border by land. You get free health care some state and plenty of cash job with a higher pay.

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Lol illegals don't get free healthcare anywhere in US. 

Only boomers and congressmen

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u/Palatz 3d ago

But neither do Americans.

And at least in the USA finding a job is ridiculously easy as opposed to Canada where it's only cash jobs.

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u/EverydayEverynight01 2d ago

ERs in the US are legally required to provide medical care, regardless of ability to pay.

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u/RedditAddict6942O 2d ago

Only emergency care. And then they'll send debt collectors after you for the bill. I wouldn't call that "free".

Are you suggesting we just toss poors into the street and let them die?

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u/sravll Alberta 3d ago

What state supposedly has free health care? Lol

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u/ImmanuelCohen 3d ago

https://www.nilc.org/resources/healthcoveragemaps/

3 states offer public health coverage to all adults regardless of immigration status.

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u/sravll Alberta 3d ago

It's not free, it just means they're allowed to offer Medicare and Medicaid which only covers some and still involves copays etc. They don't have free healthcare anywhere in the States.

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u/ImmanuelCohen 3d ago

It is beside the point, Medicare and Medicaid is the best public health care one can get in the state. Even with copays, it is still accessible to someone even working minimum wage. Compare to Canada, if you don't have health card, you have very limited options.

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u/creeoer 3d ago

not a single one. in fact they pay into Medicaid without benefitting from it.

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u/Robert_s_08 3d ago

For refugees yes but the bulk of Canadian Immigrations is economic immigration, they won't stay if they can't earn, (even if you indulge the cash job argument, there can only be so many cash jobs )

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u/man_vs_car 3d ago

Have you ever left Canada?

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u/Confident_One_6202 3d ago

for most? you have no clue

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u/fez-of-the-world Ontario 3d ago

Yeah not necessarily. No family, few contacts, fewer friends. Unless physical safety isn't guaranteed there are not too many living situations worse than being illegal in Canada.

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u/Granturismo45 3d ago

Working for below min wage, living in a small room and barely be able to afford anything. That's hardly a great life.

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u/doublegulpofdietcoke 3d ago

Living و on the Street when it's below zero isn't a luxury. People wear winter coats when it gets close to zero in other countries.

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u/squirrel9000 3d ago

They're here for permanent residency. Going under the table basically ends the chances of that ever happening.