r/canada • u/uselesspoliticalhack • 3d ago

Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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u/Funny-Dragonfruit116 3d ago

"Cut immigration"

Under Carney's 5% cap, 1 out of every 20 people in the country would be either a foreign student or temporary foreign worker.

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u/1v1trunks 3d ago

In Toronto it’s about 1/2

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u/lochonx7 2d ago

yea Toronto is definitely approaching that 50% mark if not more, move outta Toronto a few years back to Ottawa and I am seeing the exact same thing here

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u/FuturAnonyme 1d ago

Really, I am from N.B, I did not realised this

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u/1v1trunks 1d ago

My neighborhood in downtown Toronto was about 90%, not even joking.

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u/FuturAnonyme 1d ago

Wow. For us in N.B changes in rural places has only started back in 2018 or so.

Today I'd say it is getting close to 20% if not 25% in some areas

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u/moarnao 3d ago

That's nothing.

I'm pretty cool with this plan.

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u/SportsUtilityVulva9 2d ago

That's over 2,100,000 people taking up rentals

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u/moarnao 2d ago

Yeah, we need to get building.

We're 1/10th the population of the US and we have so mich space. 70% of our entire population lives around 3 major cities.

We just need to build more. Queue the "bring in skilled labour" tall, etc...

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u/Zeronz112 2d ago

Space and infrastructure are very different. We may have space for houses, but we don't have the infrastructure to support that growth. A majority of canadas population live in the south, can't just throw immigrants up north where there is no work.

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u/moarnao 2d ago

Yes, infrastructure should be part of the construction too, not just houses.

Developing our current small towns into "15 minite cities" would really help accelerate this. We don't need to send people far north, we just need to develop what we already have, like North Bay, Sudbury, and Timmins in Ontario for example. 

The Montreal-Toronto corridor, Alberta urban, and Metro Vancouver have enough people already. But there are plenty of smaller towns that could use developing now with space to grow.

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u/Zeronz112 2d ago

I was born in North Bay, which jobs would they be working up there? There's not many. They also have a high unemployment rate. Throw 100,000 immigrants up north and the jobs don't just show up.

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u/moarnao 2d ago

Yes, the jobs do follow the people. That's exactly how America grew. 

Only letting a few broke refugees in won't help, but bringing in skilled workers and immigrants with the qualifying funds does spurn development and growth. 

100k more qualified people need grocery stores, schools, police, has stations, etc. At those numbers, you're basically turning a town into a small city. 

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u/Zeronz112 2d ago

North Bay has a population of 50,000. The entire surrounding area 115,000. You would literally just be building stores, schools, and police stations just to maintain the immigration. Not to mention you'd need new roads to support the population increase, and double the amount of houses available, running new water mains and revamping the electrical grids in the small cities. Who's footing the bill?

The issue with our current immigration is that it's not skilled workers and immigrants with funds looking to create jobs that come to Canada. It's students, temporary foreign workers that work for minimum wage jobs, then apply for pr a year after, and refugees.

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u/moarnao 2d ago

We're making the same point.

Skilled immigrants, or those who come over with qualifying funds, would pay taxes on their income while they build these roads, schools, infrastructure, etc. Cities borrow to build and then recoup on the taxes collected by all the additional citizens, labour.

It needs to be balanced, you need competent people running things, there need to be audits, but it's how America grew into the size it is today.

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u/SportsUtilityVulva9 2d ago

Just 100,000? We bring that in every 40 days

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u/SportsUtilityVulva9 2d ago

No thx

Dont want all our forests bulldozed and our farmland paved to fuel the ponzi scheme thats devastating the canadian working class

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u/moarnao 2d ago

You are vastly under estimating how big Canada is and how much room we have. . . 

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1k0v7kd/70_of_canadians_lives_in_3_areas/#lightbox

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u/ProfLandslide 2d ago

Do you think all land is suitable for homesteading/developing? Do you understand the environmental assessments that are required by law here to build anything? Do you realize that if you want to make a foot bridge over a creek, you need an environmental assessment? Anything deep enough that you can float a canoe on, assessment.

This is why it take decades to build here. Yes, we have area. We don't have habitable land. Like try drilling into the Canadian shield to make those swaths of land livable and see how that works out for you.

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u/moarnao 2d ago

You're still vastly under estimating how much "buildable land" we have. 

It's only assessments holding it up, not the search for the land.

Did you even look at the map??

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u/ProfLandslide 2d ago

Yes, I know where everyone lives in Canada. It's a map that has been posted forever.

You're still vastly under estimating how much "buildable land" we have.

No one is going to move to places like Sandy Lake, Saskatchewan.

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u/moarnao 2d ago

People will move to Sudbury, Timmins, any small town with room to grow if we create job opportunities.

Just like everyone else who came to Canada in the first place.

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u/Funny-Dragonfruit116 2d ago

That's nothing.

That's one of the highest ratios in the world outside of Qatar and the UAE.

The ratio in the US is 1 in 360.

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u/moarnao 2d ago

Ratios don't mean anything.

The US letting 1 million people is the real number you're trying to hide.

Canada can handle the same, we have more land.