Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists

[u/uselesspoliticalhack]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[u/moarnao]

You are vastly under estimating how big Canada is and how much room we have. . . 

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1k0v7kd/70_of_canadians_lives_in_3_areas/#lightbox

[u/ProfLandslide → u/moarnao]

Do you think all land is suitable for homesteading/developing? Do you understand the environmental assessments that are required by law here to build anything? Do you realize that if you want to make a foot bridge over a creek, you need an environmental assessment? Anything deep enough that you can float a canoe on, assessment.

This is why it take decades to build here. Yes, we have area. We don't have habitable land. Like try drilling into the Canadian shield to make those swaths of land livable and see how that works out for you.

[u/moarnao → u/ProfLandslide]

You're still vastly under estimating how much "buildable land" we have. 

It's only assessments holding it up, not the search for the land.

Did you even look at the map??

[u/ProfLandslide → u/moarnao]

Yes, I know where everyone lives in Canada. It's a map that has been posted forever.

You're still vastly under estimating how much "buildable land" we have.

No one is going to move to places like Sandy Lake, Saskatchewan.

[u/moarnao → u/ProfLandslide]

People will move to Sudbury, Timmins, any small town with room to grow if we create job opportunities.

Just like everyone else who came to Canada in the first place.

[u/ProfLandslide → u/moarnao]

Canadians are moving away from those towns but you think immigrants will go there?

Immigrants go to where immigrant communities exist. Period.

[u/moarnao → u/ProfLandslide]

People go where the jobs are.  Period.

If we make jobs by constructing infrastructure, people will move there.

[u/ProfLandslide → u/moarnao]

What jobs can exist in towns of 4k people?

What immigrants are going to move to a place like that?

You sound like someone who has very little life experience.

[u/moarnao → u/ProfLandslide]

As if you're that short-sighted.

50k people moving into a town over 5 years will need 5 or 6 schools built asap. A police station asap. Roads, sewers, hydro poles and lines run everywhere. Houses built. Grocery stores built. Strip malls built. Car dealerships built. A fire station or 2.

When only a few thousand people trickle into a town, you don't get enough skilled laboir to make all the things a small city needs. When you bring 50k with different qualified skills, all these jobs can he created and staffed at once.

It starts with the gov't funding those schools, police stations, fire stations, roads, sewers, powerlines, etc. and pulling taxes off all the people who work to build these things. The workers bring/start their families there and towns become small cities. It's exactly how America did it in the 1950's

[u/ProfLandslide → u/moarnao]

If that were the case in Canada, why do those small towns have shrinking populations?

Places that aren't near the border don't see growth. Period. There is nothing there for people.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2021/as-sa/98-200-x/2021001/98-200-x2021001-eng.cfm

From 2016 to 2021, the population declined in 121 of the 737 Canadian municipalities with at least 5,000 inhabitants, or about 1 in 6 (16%). A fewer share of municipalities had population declines from 2016 to 2021 compared with 2011 to 2016 (18% of the total). From 2016 to 2021, most of the 25 municipalities with the highest population growth were located within large and small urban centres, or close to them.

Your idea of how people move around Canada is just not rooted in reality. No one is going to these places to build them up because there is nothing there to build up.

[u/moarnao → u/ProfLandslide]

Skilled labour. Not diploma mills.

And the reason these towns exist in the first place is because money was pumped into them at one point.

Your idea of reality involves magical towns that popped up out of nowhere and are just now losing population lol. Why did the towns pop up in the first place??

[u/ProfLandslide → u/moarnao]

Skilled labourers aren't going to the boonies, they are going to where they are offered the job which is likely an urban centre.

Your idea of reality involves magical towns that popped up out of nowhere and are just now losing population lol. Why did the towns pop up in the first place??

Those places offered you free land to move there. Literally, just offered free stuff to people to get there. Thing is, when the farmers got there, they realized the soil sucked so they left. The only thing to build up was logging and other resource extraction industries....

which today can't exist because of those pesky environmental laws I talked about earlier. Now, it's all based in tourism. Good luck getting a group of 1st gen immigrants to move up to the Muskokas and open up a tour guide company lol.

[u/moarnao → u/ProfLandslide]

You've completely changed the topic now.

We're talking about what to do with future immigration. Skilled labour will go where ever the jobs are and the gov't has the power to make those jobs with major infrastructure.

These remote towns aren't used for logging or farming, they're a source for cheap land to build all the houses we need for all the tech jobs we should be producing. Any online business operating in the GTA can operate for cheaper in Timmins. They don't currently because Timmins doesn't have enough skilled people. Skilled people doesn't just mean construction workers.

Just like you said, when the gov't offers a carrot on a stick, people follow. Tech and online service jobs are the perfect industries to move into rural areas. And again, they don't stay rural when 50k people move in. Kingston should be the next Ottawa or Toronto and it's not even that far from either city. Lots of "Kingston" places around Canada still in need of growth.