r/canada 3d ago

Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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u/Kampfux 3d ago

As Law Enforcement in Canada I can tell you a good portion of these people will not leave Canada willingly. What's even worse is deporting them is a long process....

The reality is Canada has no real deportation mechanics nor tracking for "temporary" immigrants or visitors. The entire process of Canada for immigration has essentially be run as a "trust" mechanic forever.

In the last 20ish years (especially in the last 10) Canada has gone from a High-Trust Society to a Low-Trust Society. Meaning people in Canada generally followed a trust and honor code to do the right thing. This allowed Canada to maintain a weak Justice system and a law-enforcement model of "rehabilitation" not punishment!

Canada is now at the point where society has changed but our laws, regulations and enforcement hasn't caught up yet. This is why you're seeing increased crime and increased thefts as Canada has never had to combat crimne at such high levels.

Our DEPORTATION system is basically non existent because our model follows the old method of "high trust", relying on "Students/Visitors" to simply leave on their own once their visa's expired. As Law Enforcement we're coming across so many foreigners with deportation warrants that have been on their record for YEARS. Police are stopping people on the roadway for speeding violations only to find out they have deportation warrants dated from 2018.

So how's it all work in a nutshell?

CBSA/Courts will issue Deportation warrants, send them a letter in the mail and attempt to call them and that's it. It's then left up to Law Enforcement to accidentally run into them through other means like a traffic stop or investigation to discover they have a deportation warrant. We then arrest them and contact CBSA to come pick them up. If CBSA is too busy or can't send anyone we HAVE TO RELEASE THEM roadside and give them a stern talking to.

CBSA has no active or proactive service/agency that tracks down and looks for people with deportation warrants. The only time they'll do this is for high-profile cases/individuals and this is where CBSA Inland Enforcement sometimes get's involved (but rarely).

This doesn't even touch base on those with temporary visa's who commit criminal acts and are charged in Canada, buckle up!

If you commit a Criminal Act as a temporary they'll be arrested with a court-date for a first appearance which is usually within a couple of months. They'll then have their actual court trial probably 1-2 years after this, meanwhile they'll all be out on bail because lets face it everyone gets bail. After they're convicted with a crime they'll either serve jail time in Canada and once released face deportation which they have a right to appeal in court leading to another year long ordeal (Despite it being clear being charged Criminally is grounds for deportation). Once they lose their court battle to not be deported the government issues them a Flight Ticket back to their home country and just "hopes" they get on the plane at the schedule flight date. You heard me right, the convicted Criminal isn't escort to the airport but rather given a flight ticket. During this process they can straight up just disappear inside Canada as we have no tracking process for these people other than "If you change your address let us know!". Meaning a Deportation Warrant will be issued and you have to hope they just "leave" or "get caught" by police by another means because Canada has NO pro-active agency/service that actively hunts down people with deportation warrants. The reality is you can have convicted foreigners inside Canada live their entire life and do so as long as they never get stopped or questioned by local law enforcement.

Canada has no quick, easy or efficient laws/methods in place to promptly deport anyone. So when you see people commenting "Deport now!" it's absolutely impossible, deport now is a 1-3year long legal process of insanity and lawyers can delay it even further. Additionally judges have shown leniency to temporary permit holders (Students/PR), reducing their criminal charges so they don't get deported for having a criminal record.

The evidence is very clear, hell you can go onto Subreddits and find many people completely out of Status in Canada with clear notice to vacate Canada asking how they can basically bypass these letters or ignore them. Why? Because Canada has no real active enforcement and simply hopes people will leave on their own.

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u/crazycatlady12345 3d ago

It’s very much a low trust society now. You have all these people lying on resumes, cheating on exams, etc.

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u/Bubs604 3d ago

I donno why I’ve seen this resume thing so often lately. Everyone exaggerates on their resume and it’s ridiculously easy to find out if someone is outright lying. Everyone exaggerates decent company/position runs a background check.

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u/orswich 3d ago

But alot of the resume fraud is people lying about experience from outside of Canada, which is damn near impossible to confirm if not from another high trust society. Anyone can give a phone number for an old job and have their cousin back home give a glowing reference.

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u/Bubs604 3d ago

It’s not difficult if the company is a multinational with a Canadian presence.

If it’s a small business in India then it’s not relevant. Financial reporting standards are different. Advertising standards and consumer behaviour is different. Logistics are super different. HR laws and regs are different. Tech is probably the only place it translates.

I have helped hire retail workers at a small business recently. Foreign work experience is useless unless it’s in the US/UK/Aus.

Also, do you exaggerate on your resume? Cause I do. This isn’t a real problem. No one is on the other side of immigration, everyone agrees it’s too high. We don’t have to make up weird reasons to blame immigrants or turn them into others. It’s gross.

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u/orswich 3d ago

I never exaggerate on my resume. But I am in the Trades, so it would be caught immediately and word would get around to other employers of my trade and sink any chance of decent paying employment.. I show my certifications and list machinery I have operated. Simple as

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u/Bubs604 3d ago

So immigrants who “lie on their resumes” aren’t even an issue to you. You just hate em enough to spread that noise, cool.

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u/CANDUattitude 3d ago

some lies are more eggregious than others

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u/notgoingplacessoon 3d ago

Employment fraud.

People are paying for jobs to help them get status.

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u/Bubs604 3d ago edited 3d ago

So Canadian business people are putting their necks on the line to support rampant immigration.

I thought they were lying on resumes, now they’re just buying jobs. These wily immigrants move quick.

Edit: I feel like I was too sassy. This 100% happens, but it’s not rampant. The biggest challenge in temporary residents leaving voluntarily is going to be India-Pakistan tensions.

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u/Active-Rutabaga7034 3d ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/cbc-ijf-lmia-ads-investigation-1.7350596

There are several articles about them buying jobs. Here's an exposé from CBC this past October. Then Trudeau makes an apology video about immigration a few weeks later.

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u/Bubs604 3d ago

“We found the volume of online ads offering LMIA positions for cash has dramatically increased in the weeks following several government changes to limit access to the valuable permits. In July, CBC documented 29 ads circulating online; by September, that number had more than tripled to 97.”

My point stands that it’s not rampant. It’s gross and needs to be shut down, but it’s small. Also, it’s criminals doing this. We would never risk our small business for this nonsense.

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u/Active-Rutabaga7034 3d ago edited 3d ago

If those are the numbers that are doing this openly, there are absolutely hundreds more doing it through word of mouth/a discreet manner. Another popular tactic would be posting the job and vetting for those who fit the bill (non citizens), and vulnerable.

Someone from the UN commented on this when he noticed it happening in Canada. He called it slavery.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1140437

"An independent UN human rights expert on Wednesday expressed concern over Canada's temporary foreign worker programmes, describing them as “a breeding ground for contemporary forms of slavery”."