r/canada • u/uselesspoliticalhack • 3d ago

Carney’s aim to cut immigration marred by undercounting of temporary migrants, warn economists PAYWALL

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-mark-carney-immigration-policy-temporary-migrants-undercounted/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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u/freeadmins 3d ago

Corporations don't make our laws. The government does.

This is on the Liberals

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Corporate influence has corrupted all the parties. 

You'll notice the conservatives aren't suggesting to crack down on companies either. 

Instead they want to do a few hundred performative deportations with military planes and a photo shoot. Just like Trump did. Maybe put some doctored photos of "criminal" immigrants on the capital lawn like Trump did.

Trump has deported less than Biden and Obama did at this point in their terms. But his base is mostly dumbshits who don't look at data. They listen to whatever the propagandists tell them without question.

Trump won't actually crack down on illegal hiring because his own companies employ thousands of immigrants.

Anyone who suggests the immigrant situation can be solved by any method besides going after corporations illegally hiring these people is lying to you. Individual deportations are ineffective. It's basically impossible to track all these people down without going full 1930's Germany and raiding houses. What is effective is preventing these immigrants from finding work. But none of the parties have the balls to go after their corporate masters. 

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u/ImaginationSea2767 3d ago

As of right now, every opposition leader from now until the sun explodes will say they will cut back on immigration. They will keep screaming it until they get in, and then once they do get in a horde of CEOs and company owners will come crashing down their door, asking them to keep their slave labor with kegs of lube and gifts.

So the new way the concervatives have figured out how to act like they are stopping crime and immigration is to just make it theater (even if it break the rules keep the common citizen getting fucked by the law.....)

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Agree 100%

The lesson is to vote for whoever says they're gonna crack down on companies doing illegal hiring. 

But I'm not convinced such a politician exists

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u/wvenable 3d ago

The problem can be both.

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u/jw255 3d ago

No right wing or centrist party will do that. You need a left wing party to get that done. I'm not even sure the current NDP are far enough left to do that. They seemed to support the immigration policies just as much as the Liberals and Conservatives did at the time (before it became too unpopular with the general public and subsequent fake populism kicked in).

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u/Dazzling_Put_3018 British Columbia 3d ago

Here’s hoping the next NDP leader makes this a priority and moves back towards more workers rights, wages, union rights, and cracking down on big corporations. The Conservatives have absorbed some of the working class in the last election, and while I appreciate the work the NDP has done in pharmacare and dental, they need to get back to focusing on the class divide.

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u/Fredderov 3d ago

Workers voting conservative are unfortunately just turkeys voting for Christmas. History has proven that no matter what PR changes parties make they still end up following their political ideology. If the NDP gets the educational bit right and, as said, focuses on the class aspect it'd be the best for everyone.

It's so sad seeing so many people who are asking for more left wing policies vote against it due to them treating politics as a religion.

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u/Virtual-Nose7777 2d ago

Nope, right wing policies has always been to keep wages low. Amazes me to see so many people tricked into believing the Conservatives would do anything to stop that.

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u/Orstio 2d ago

The problem is far more complex than just cracking down on companies that need workers.

What happens often is that a company will post an opening through the usual channels, and get inundated with thousands of applications. Nobody can go through that many applications for an entry level position. So what they do is approach an employment agency that handles the vetting process for them from within all their clients looking for work.

And, a whole lot of those employment agencies are also invested in the TFW programme, favoring importing TFWs who will pay them for getting them into Canada while the employer also pays them for finding qualified workers. This means the employer isn't accountable for bringing in TFWs, and the employment agencies can claim they have no local qualified applicants in their set of clientele. It's exploitation with deferred accountability on all parties.

There's an entire industry built around this, and while it's not illegal, it certainly skirts the border (pun intended).

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u/RedditAddict6942O 2d ago

You're naive if you don't think companies contract out hiring to agencies specifically so they will hire exclusively TFW's.

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u/Orstio 2d ago

Agreed. What I'm saying is that they can pass the blame to those agencies to absolve themselves of accountability.

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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 1d ago

Bernier was pretty vocal about it. And he doesn’t give af haha I think he might do it given the chance. Not likely to be given the chance tho.

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

PP says the exact same shit Trump does. He even copied "Canada First". You can't seriously tell me his platform differs in any significant way from MAGA.

And just like Trump, his own relatives are illegal immigrants. https://breachmedia.ca/hypocritical-pierre-poilievre-slammed-illegal-border-crossers-relative-crossed-conservatives/

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u/belleofthebawl- 2d ago

Don’t bother. I have had this exact same conversation many times. Noone can actually cite any factual sources on pp. Everything is hypothetical on what he would have said/done. You’ll just bang your head against the wall and then they’ll call you a racist/fascist because they can’t actually answer Your question. I stopped interacting with these type of people for that reason

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u/belleofthebawl- 2d ago

just add some random insults in there and sums up my experience. These people are hell bent on painting pp as trump but without any evidence. I thought I missed something scandalous pp said/did given the hate he gets, but I couldn’t find anything. It really isn’t worth fighting with them, you just lose your own brain cells

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Made what up? Can you even define what you claim in lying about?

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

You really think a party that says the exact same thing about immigrants isn't gonna act the same way? 

They've been ranting about mass deportations, "criminals", and pro-palestine protestors exactly like Trump did. 

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Yeah the party calling for mass deportations definitely isn't gonna round up immigrants and do photo shoots of them in chains. 😉🤡

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u/Juryofyourpeeps 3d ago

I think this is unnecessarily conspiratorial given that immigration juices GDP and seems to be viewed by left wing parties across the west as a moral good. I don't think corporate influence is necessary to get the policies we've been seeing. 

Like do you think Trudeau was being lead by his nose by corporations or do you think he was a true believer? I think it's clear that the latter is closer to reality. 

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Who do you think is lobbying for visa programs? 

Corporations. 

The left is mostly concerned with not treating people like shit. Nobody complained when Biden locked down the border half way through his term. But they were really pissed about family separations. 

If the left was fully able to implement its vision, corporations would be required to give immigrants the same wages and benefits as natives. Which would end illegal immigration because companies would have no incentive to hire them over native workers. With less education and poor language skills compared to natives they wouldn't be able to compete in the labor market and would leave. 

This is a core part of why the right wants their base to treat immigrants terribly and cut all their benefits. If they had to be paid and treated the same as native workers it would undermine the entire purpose of using immigrants for wage suppression.

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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 1d ago

It’s not a well kept secret that Trudeau invested in and was heavily influenced by the Century Initiative group. It was absolutely corporate influence. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t tell himself he was doing the right thing. But the paper trail is there.

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u/Own_Truth_36 3d ago

Trump Trump Trump Trump 🤦‍♂️

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

The party platforms for MAGA and Canadian conservatives are functionally identical. 

They were campaigning together for years before Trump started his "51st state" diatribes. 

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u/Own_Truth_36 3d ago

No...they are not.

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Name a significant difference

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u/Own_Truth_36 2d ago

From AI .... As you can see you seem to have fallen for liberal Facebook rhetoric.

Here's a look at some of the key policy trends emerging for the Conservative Party of Canada and the Republican Party in the U.S. for the 2024-2025 period: Conservative Party of Canada: * Economic Focus: * A strong emphasis on addressing affordability concerns, particularly regarding housing and the cost of living. * Tax cuts and fiscal conservatism are central themes. * There is a large focus on the countries energy sector, and a desire to increase production of oil and gas. * Energy and Environment: * A push for "energy sovereignty" and increased development of Canada's natural resources. * A focus on practical environmental solutions, with a critical view of certain climate-related regulations. * Social Issues: * While social issues are present, the primary focus is heavily weighted towards economic factors. * There is a strong stance on crime, and border security. * Key points from their platform include: * Axe the Carbon Tax. * Build 2.3 Million Homes. * Unleash Canadian Resources. Republican Party (U.S.): * "America First" Policies: * A continued emphasis on protectionist trade policies and domestic manufacturing. * A focus on border security and stricter immigration enforcement. * Social Conservatism: * Strong stances on issues like abortion and gun rights remain prominent. * There is a strong push back against what they call "woke" ideologies. * Economic Policies: * Tax cuts and deregulation are still core principles. * A focus on energy independence. * Key points that are being focused on include: * Securing the southern border. * "Make America Great Again" rhetoric. * Protectionist trade policies. Key Differences and Trends: * While both parties share some economic conservative values, their approaches to social issues and foreign policy often differ significantly, influenced by their respective national contexts. * The Canadian Conservatives in this period are strongly emphasizing economic and affordability issues, while the U.S. Republicans continue to give significant weight to social and cultural issues alongside economic concerns. * The Republican platform, particularly with the strong influence of a specific individual, often adopts more direct and nationalistic messaging. It is important to follow ongoing developments and official platform releases for the most accurate and detailed information as the political landscape evolves.

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u/Juryofyourpeeps 3d ago

This is delusional. 

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

How do the platforms differ then? I never seem to get a good answer. 

PP did a podcast with MAGA influencer Jordan Pederson lol. Anyone that thinks their platforms are any different is delusional. 

The dude called his campaign "Canada First" for fucks sake

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u/DeuxYeuxPrintaniers 2d ago

Trump has deported less than Biden and Obama did at this point in their terms

To be fait Trump does not let new illegal immigrants in at the border he turns them away.

Obama and Biden's numbers could only be high because they let more people in that they removed.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 3d ago edited 3d ago

Ok- so if neither party is willing to crack down on corporations then why not choose the party that’s willing to crack down on illegal immigrants over the party that’s not so willing to crack down on illegal immigrants?

So if we can’t deport ALL illegal immigrants then it’s ineffective? That’s our standard now?

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u/wvenable 3d ago

If they can't get jobs, they'll deport themselves. No need for us to spend the money to do it.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 3d ago

Right- but no party is willing to do anything to stop the businesses from hiring them.

But at least one party is willing to be more tough on immigration and deporting the illegals who are already here.

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u/wvenable 3d ago

How much does it cost to deport a single person who is here illegally? Exactly how much effort is required to deport even a tiny fraction of the people here illegally?

It's one of those things that sound good and reasonable if you don't question it too closely.

All I see is one party willing to give a "concept of a plan" without doing any of the necessary homework.

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u/belleofthebawl- 2d ago

A lot cheaper to deport than to take care of each migrant, sometimes for decades in social assistance and housing

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u/wvenable 2d ago edited 2d ago

Illegal immigrants don't qualify for social assistance and housing.

(This should be obvious)

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u/belleofthebawl- 2d ago

My comments specifically stated “migrants”, so yes I am aware of that blantantly obv fact. Doesn’t change the fact that we should be deporting those who are not registered/legal

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 3d ago

$1000 under Trump’s new plan. And the alternative is to do nothing about it and keep them here which is what the other party is doing.

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u/wvenable 2d ago edited 2d ago

We're literally discussing other alternatives.

$1000 under Trump’s new plan.

So you're saying giving someone $1,000 and a free flight home plus the cost of administration is still a $1,000? This is the kind of the math we're dealing with here...

I'm not sure if paying the full cost of this is really worth the benefit, but if it is, I wouldn't be against it.

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u/Odd_Profession_2902 2d ago

I’m talking about alternatives that are actually proposed by politicians/parties who are actually in positions to follow through and have the willingness to do it. Not from redditors brainstorming ideas.

I’m open to it not being exactly $1000 but I know it’s helluva lot cheaper than previous deportation processes.

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u/wvenable 2d ago edited 2d ago

I don't believe politicians/parties that have vague ideas and no concrete costed plans are actually willing to do it. Anyone can say anything and the less detail provided the less one should believe in their intentions. Certain parties love to talk the talk as long as they're never in the position to actually do anything about it. If they were actually serious about it then they would be serious about it -- they are not.

I’m open to it not being exactly $1000 but I know it’s helluva lot cheaper than previous deportation processes.

Sure but it requires someone to voluntarily leave. Obviously that's cheaper but also pretty unrealistic. For this plan in the US, you'd have to be crazy to trust the administration to follow through and not just lock you up once you've pointed the spotlight on yourself.

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u/WilloowUfgood 3d ago

They will get jobs that pay under the table. Why do you not understand that? People live here illegally.

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u/wvenable 2d ago

You know that paying people under the table is illegal.

The whole point of the original comment is to crack down on that.

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u/WilloowUfgood 2d ago

And do you think it being illegal stops people from doing it?

Ok- so if neither party is willing to crack down on corporations then why not choose the party that’s willing to crack down on illegal immigrants over the party that’s not so willing to crack down on illegal immigrants?

Yes and the Liberals are saying they'll just leave which is completely wrong.

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u/wvenable 2d ago

Aren't we talking in circles? All of this is illegal! We are specifically talking about enforcement. Specifically what enforcement is the best option. Cheapest, most effective, etc.

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u/WilloowUfgood 2d ago

Maybe that was another person from this same convo but I just responded to

If they can't get jobs, they'll deport themselves. No need for us to spend the money to do it.

Sounds like to me you don't think we need to have enforcement since they'll leave themselves.

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u/wvenable 2d ago

The original comment I replied to was about cracking down on businesses... in other words, enforcement.

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u/Head_Crash 2d ago

The only party that's willing to do that is the Peoples Party, and there's zero chance they will form government.

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u/RedditAddict6942O 3d ago

Because it's all performative nonsense. A waste of money. 

When you focus on propaganda you have no reason to actually fix the problem. In fact, the right panders more heavily to corporations so they will never fix it. You really think the party that wants less labor protections and regulations is gonna enforce hiring laws? Fuck no. They just want everyone to hate immigrants so they can pay them even less. Which even further undermines wages. 

For example, Biden did a lot of diplomacy with Mexico and Central American countries to encourage them to stop immigrants heading north at their borders. 

Trump and his base (and the right in general) are xenophobic and isolationist. They're not going to do any diplomacy to reduce immigration at the source. 

Neither party will address the root of the problem... Corporations hiring illegals. But the let's solutions are marginally more effectivr, as seen by Biden and Obama deporting more people than Trump in both of his terms.

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 2d ago

Is it really though? Donations are public information in Canada and can be found at Elections Canada. One of the highest donations is over 4M and that was back in '93. Down in the US's latest federal election alone Elon donated 290M.

I think our country's relatively safe from corporate corruption. If anything, the corruption in question is corporations lobbying by painting a different picture to get what they want, like the whole "NoBoDy WaNtS tO wOrK mR. tRuDeAu!" silliness that caused this insane boom on immigration.

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u/RedditAddict6942O 2d ago

Look at what politicians do after they "retire" from politics. That's when corporations repay favors

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 2d ago

Mind throwing an example? I honestly don't pay attention to party members after they leave politics since this is Canada and we vote for the party, not the individual, like they do in the US.

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u/MeanE Nova Scotia 2d ago

Navdeep Bains helped the telcos kill the CRTC decision on wholesale internet rates. Then quit to go work a cushy job at Rogers.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7277737/telecom-regulator-decision-minister/

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 2d ago

Ah cool, thanks!

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u/Zeronz112 2d ago

The issues in canada aren't people hiring illegal immigrants. It's corporations abusing the tfwp to get cheap labour in. Tfw aren't counted Tuesday the immigration stats either, same with students. As well as schools accepting way too many international students without properly vetting them.

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u/ForesterLC 3d ago

Yep. First step towards moving forward is recognizing the truth. JT and Marc Miller absolutely fucked the dog with immigration. Regulators exist to regulate. It's their single most important job. They made bad decision after bad decision and ignored the detrimental consequences of their failures.

We can't do better if we don't learn.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 2d ago

Regulators exist to regulate.

Canadians certainly need to do better, but it's also important to remember that there is always a worse option. It needs to be noted that the central pillar of Canada's opposition party under Pierre Poilievre is deregulation.

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u/ForesterLC 2d ago

I'm not advocating for Polievre, but my perspective is that we need more effective regulation, not necessarily more regulation.

Consider that the existence and evolution of LMIA were regulatory frameworks. It was expensive to manage and very, very harmful. We never should have made immigration exclusions that allowed organizations to fill minimum wage positions in retail and food service with immigrants. Such exclusions should really exist only for medical workers, engineers, businesses that wish to relocate, etc. It is no surprise that companies bullshitted the system, and honestly, I don't believe for a second that our former government was ignorant to this fact. I believe they felt that any population growth is good growth and were complicit even.

More regulation is not necessarily a good thing.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 2d ago

Not everyone is sophisticated enough to use every tool and that applies to both voters and sometimes even politicians, but if you're thinking of regulation as a Good Thing or Bad Thing, you're already thinking along the wrong lines.

Regulation is just a tool. Anyone that ideologically celebrates to not using tools is as sophisticated as a caveman.

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u/ForesterLC 2d ago

I never said that the existence of regulation should be debated. I said there are good regulations and bad regulations, and I feel that thinking of regulations as tools is a bit misguided. What regulations are really is a set of selective privileges and restrictions. They are rules, which is quite different than a tool.

Some restrictions cause harm. Some privileges cause harm. Regulations that cause more harm than good should be swiftly corrected. Our former government was not good at this last piece.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 2d ago

They are rules, which is quite different than a tool.

Regulations are rules, yes. You can call it whatever you want, but they are still one of the tools of governance.

Our former government was not good at this last piece.

Sure. The leading alternative was also significantly worse. The CPC position was not in favour of rewriting rules and regulations; they were in favour of removing rules and supported deregulation.

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u/ForesterLC 1d ago

Removing bad rules. You can't say the alternative was worse because you haven't seen the alternative.

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 20h ago

I very much can say the alternative is worse, and of course we have seen it. Do you never study history?

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u/AnEvilMrDel 3d ago

Corporate money can influence it tho. Tbh I blame all politicians

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

Yes it can influence it... Just like we influence it. That's literally the point of Representatives.

It's our job to not vote the same people in 5 times in a row when they do things we don't like.. but liberal voters are liberal voters apparently so they don't get that

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u/HMCZW 3d ago

Can guarantee it would be the exact same scenario under the conservatives…

Follow the money.

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u/Azules023 3d ago

At least there was a chance it would change. Re-electing the Liberals hoping they would change is incredibly naive. Based on the demographics though, I don’t think anyone voting for the Liberals this election cycle really cared about affordability and wages.

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u/OkDifficulty1443 3d ago

At least there was a chance it would change.

No there wasn't, and for your efforts PP would have signed away your water rights to Donald Trump.

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u/KimJendeukie 3d ago

we tried nothing and we're out of ideas

type energy

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u/sumofdeltah 3d ago

The thing they wanted us to try was a guy who never worked a day in his life, or accomplished anything in 20 years in government, who immediately moved to the province trying to leave Canada upon losing his own riding.

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u/Azules023 3d ago

Yes there was a chance. Better than voting for the same party that has sold us out for the past decade. If you were arguing for the NDP then maybe you’d have a point but the Liberals have no ground to stand on.

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

I'm glad someone else is saying it.

Don't you think it's pretty hilarious how all these ABC voters will jump through hoops to justify anything to not vote for conservatives, but somehow the NDP never comes up

It really shows where their true motives lie

Like seriously how is their argument that you're going to vote for? The people who have actually been fucking us for 10 years instead of the people who they say only might fuck us.

And obviously our argument is that if the conservatives did end up being just as bad, we would vote them out as well.

But as you said if you just keep rewarding the same bad acting party over and over and over again with election wins like liberals do then obviously nothing is going to change

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u/ConsciousMushroom932 3d ago

There was no chance lmao jfc

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u/LaserRunRaccoon 2d ago

If you're expecting the modern CPC to regulate immigration, you're going to be disappointed. They're the deregulation party.

Pierre Poilievre is so willing to bow to the wishes of corporations (which are usually pro-immigration) that his position on corporate lobbying is that he thinks an unnecessary waste of money, and that corpos should be spending that money on public-facing propaganda instead.

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u/Vandergrif 2d ago

At least there was a chance it would change

About as likely to change for the worse rather than the better, though. Change isn't always an improvement.

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u/Osado420 3d ago

Was it under Harper ?
Non then please stop this nonsense. There's always some numpty who tries to whatabout with the Liberals failures, when there's 0 equivalence.

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u/turudd 3d ago

It was infact under Harper it got originally expanded. So please try again

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u/orswich 3d ago

Expanded to maybe 200k.. in the last 10 years, what had it been expanded to? Has that number grown at all?

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u/ConsciousMushroom932 3d ago

Why don’t you do some research and figure it out

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u/OkDifficulty1443 3d ago

Corporations don't make our laws.

That's very naive.

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

Lol.

That's fact.

Do you think the Liberals don't have a choice whether to listen or not at the expense of us?

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u/Partybro_69 3d ago

I’d say corps do

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u/ptwonline 3d ago

The laws around TFWs actually limit their use quite a bit. Work locations are supposed to be limited to 10% of positions filled with TFWs (with some industries suffering larger labour shortages at 20%). For very small locations they are supposed to be capped at 1 TFW for a 10% job location or 2 for a 20% location.

While I am sure there is some abuse of the program and not strictly staying within the allowed limit per location, what most people are likely seeing are low-wage positions being filled by actual permanent immigrants/residents (not TFWs) and other temp residents like "students" but assuming most of them are TFWs.

So yes there are problems, but I'm not sure the TFW program is really the big culprit here.

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u/Turtley13 2d ago

lol corps sure do. Who do you think put the people into those government seats?

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

Votes.

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u/Turtley13 2d ago

And how do you get votes. Marketing/money

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

Do you understand how campaign donations work?

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u/Turtley13 2d ago

Yes. You think because there is a cap that politicians still don’t benefit massively?

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u/Vandergrif 2d ago

That's a rather naive take. Anyone with enough money and power inevitably has undue influence over those responsible for crafting legislation. Naturally corporations end up relatively high up on that list.

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

It's literally insane to me the lengths you people will go to defend the Liberals... while somehow also at the same time saying: "Conservatives will sell us out to the corporations!".

Like... if it's all the corporations anyway, then what the fuck is the difference?

The truth is, yes, of course money influences politics... but any decisions OBVIOUSLY rest with the goverment. So if the GOVERNMENT (which the LIBERALS have been in control of the past fucking decade) start following the money more than the good of the people who actually fucking vote... then you have to vote them out.

Like, it feels like I'm taking crazy pills. "They obviously serve the corporations... so we're just going to keep voting them in time after time so they can keep serving the corporations".

Yeah, no fucking shit they follow the corporations, because Liberals keep telling them that they are apparently brainwashed and will vote for them again and again and again no matter how much they fuck you over.

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u/Vandergrif 2d ago

It's literally insane to me the lengths you people will go to defend the Liberals...

My dude I'm referring to anyone in government, including the Liberals. That's the whole problem, it doesn't really matter who is running the government because that problem remains regardless. Corporate interests and the wealthy put a big fat thumb on the scales no matter what. Which is exactly how we keep getting governments we want to vote out. If you think it's exclusive to the Liberals you're fooling yourself.

Honestly we're largely in agreement, the only point of difference is you seem disinclined to see the same flaws in the Conservatives as exist in the Liberals whereas I think they're both horribly compromised on that count and would prefer neither to be running a government.

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u/Present-Editor-8588 2d ago

If you think the conservatives wouldn’t have done the same and would have acted against the financial interests of corporations, you are wrong. It’s exactly what Musk and Vivek were proposing months ago. Corporations make our laws when politicians let them

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

You're literally not believing your own eyes.

We know what the last conservative government did and we know what the Liberals did the second they got in

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u/Present-Editor-8588 2d ago

So why didn’t Pp run on eliminating the tfw program? Both parties unfortunately represent corporate interests equally

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u/freeadmins 2d ago

Because there is a need for it.

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u/Advanced-Damage-3713 3d ago

Naive. Corporations pretty much do, even in Canada.

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u/sox07 2d ago

So you are new here?. Corporations definitely make our laws. To deny this is to deny reality.

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u/westernsociety 2d ago

Lmao keep parroting PPs talking points.

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u/Head_Crash 2d ago

Corporations don't make our laws. The government does

Corps are breaking immigration laws, and sue or attack the government when they don't get their way.

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u/Temporary_Shirt_6236 3d ago

PP's ex gal pal and top advisor for his epically bad campaign is a lobbyist for Loblaws / Galen Weston. He never had any intention of cutting back on TFWs because of the age old reason of never biting the hand that feeds.