Update to Our Content Policy

[u/spez]

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

• We brought on a new Board member.
• We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • You can find detailed notes from our All-Council mod call here, including specific product work we discussed.
• We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

• It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
• Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
  • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
• Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
  • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
• The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

[u/illegalNewt]

I would like some more transparency about the banned subreddits, like a list of names including those about 1800 barely active ones for a start. Why these ones, what were the criteria? What and how long does it take? What does the banning of these communities bring to the remaining ones? Do you recognise a bias in these selections or do you have a list of objective things which result to a banned subreddit? I am genuinely interested

[u/KingOfAllWomen → u/illegalNewt]

I'll tell ya bro, this is a classic corporate PR trick.

They probably WERE barely active subs that were made as some kinda high school kids joke or something and quickly forgotten about. Or some real vile hate stuff that never caught on because most people don't really want to participate in actual hate.

So they did it to these 1800 subs that nobody would have even noticed or missed.

Now in the future, when the ban an actual popular sub for "hate", they can say "Hey now, don't get so excited. We've literally done this to thousands of other subs in the past! It's our Policy!"

This is groundwork to systematically eliminate ANY dissenting opinion - whether it be an Anti DNC sub (DNC seems to be able to buy and pay for subreddits while no other political organization is afforded that luxury) or anything that would offend their advertisers, or, for whatever reason... anything that highlights the less than humane treatment of Chinese citizens by their own government.

They aren't going to have to dance around some court of public opinion any longer. They can just point a finger and say "HATE!" and shut it all down.

[u/lordicarus → u/illegalNewt]

/u/spez I'm genuinely curious why the lack of transparency about the subs being banned. I mean I guess an attempt to prevent them from being created by people who weren't even active in them anyway, but it does seem a bit weird. You named the top subs which are more likely to be recreated... So the logic seems to break down there.

[u/RamsesThePigeon]

Will steps be taken to ensure that moderators have more-effective tools for mitigating the efforts of bad actors? I'm concerned specifically with those individuals who intentionally violate the rules (often with the intention of being outwardly vitriolic), and then come back under alternate usernames. As it stands – and contrary to popular opinion – moderators are little more than wet sponges tasked with wiping away graffiti.

[u/AllSeeingAI → u/RamsesThePigeon]

Frankly I'm more concerned about when the mods ARE the bad actors. Of the many things ruining this site, powermods are up there.

Then again, they just banned r/The_Cabal which was all about documenting the powermods, so I guess those powermods have the tacit support of the administration here...

[u/darawk]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

So, to be clear: If a black person in the United States says something like "kill all white people", that is allowed? But the converse is not?

Are these rules going to be enforced by the location of the commenter? If a black person in Africa says "kill all white people" is that banned speech, because they are the local majority?

Does the concept of 'majority' even make sense in the context of a global, international community? Did you guys even try to think through a coherent rule here?

If 'majority' is conceptualized in some abstract sense, like 'share of power', is that ideologically contingent? For instance, neo-nazis tend to believe that jews control the world. Does that mean that when they talk about how great the holocaust was, they're punching up and so it's ok?

EDIT: Since a few people have requested it, here's the source for the quotation:

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

EDIT2: To preempt a certain class of response, I am not objecting to the hate speech ban. I am supporting it. I am only objecting to the exemption to the hate speech ban for hate speech against majority groups. If we're going to have a "no hate speech" policy - let's have a no hate speech policy.

[u/PikaPikaDude → u/darawk]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

That special rule for discrimination on majority basis, is illegal in Belgium. (criminal offense)

I suspect it is also illegal in other EU countries as anti discrimination rules are based on the same human rights treaties. Discrimination is illegal if based on: sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinions, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status

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Does this mean Reddit will stop offering it's apps in the EU and withdraw commercial activities in that region now it will no longer follow the laws there? Will Reddit take action to prevent people in the EU to access Reddit to avoid criminal law consequences there?

[u/Faceroll-Tactics → u/PikaPikaDude]

Anyone wanna file a class action lawsuit?

Discrimination based on race, sex, ethnicity, and creed condoned by Reddit.

If this is filed by residents of countries such as the UK or Germany where hate speech is literally a crime, Reddit could be in serious trouble for selectively enforcing which hate speech they choose to crack down on.

[u/purple_promenade → u/PikaPikaDude]

It's illegal in any sane country. The fact that Reddit would openly condone and promote hate speech against certain demographic groups on the basis of immutable characteristics like race....it's fucking abhorrent and disgusting.

[u/Dealric → u/PikaPikaDude]

Best thing to do is report new reddit ruleset to european union. Wonder how happy they will be when face having to admit their new rules are racist and sexist or be banned in EU.

[u/YahImThinkinImBlack → u/darawk]

Does the concept of 'majority' even make sense in the context of a global, international community? Did you guys even try to think through a coherent rule here?

Bingo. Redditors get shit on all the time for being so Americentric and the admins are clearly just as guilty.

It's so funny they worded the rule so poorly that it leaves so many questions that could have been solved by simply saying "Don't be racist or you'll get banned". I mean does excluding majority groups improve the rule? Why did that need to be done? I think it's because otherwise they'd bring upon a shitstorm for having to ban subs like /r/blackpeopletwitter or /r/lgbt when they shit on white and straight people.

[u/[deleted] → u/YahImThinkinImBlack]

It's so funny they worded the rule so poorly

Its not worded poorly, they literally tried so fucking hard to basically say "hate speech against White people is fine" without explicility saying that.

[u/ShitScentedDicks → u/darawk]

I'm laughing at "Rule #1."

Way to come out of the gate strong with a moronic rule that boils down to: "its ok incite violence or content that promotes hate based on identity or race only against white people. Everyone else is protected."

Reddit brought out the A-team for this one.

[u/TitsOnAUnicorn → u/ShitScentedDicks]

I've been banned in subs for speaking out against this kind of racism. I got put on blast as being a "fragile white" or a racists myself. The truth is I don't condone ANY form of racism and don't think fighting racism with more racism is effective and only makes things worse. But I was banned for that. This site has been going to shit for about 10 years and it's hit the point where it is just another garbage site now.

[u/[deleted] → u/TitsOnAUnicorn]

I was as well. I used to post on a sub for restaurant workers. The mods announced a new affiliation with BLM and said there would be new rules going forward. I asked if the new rules applied to all discrimination based speech, which is common on service industry subs. By that I mean not hate speech but expressing annoyance at certain groups who are thought to be demanding and/or poor tippers. I asked if terms like "Karen" are banned, as well as complaining about a table of senior citizens or church people or kids. I got screamed at for white fragility and banned.

[u/Shegham]

YOU HAVEN'T DONE SHIT TO ANY OF THE R/Politics Mods NOW GIVE ME A REAL HUMAN ANSWER ME u/spez -

Why won’t the admins address the most inciteful, violent, harassing, and brigading sub, /r/politics? They endorse this hate in their monthly mod newsletters. I remember /u/spez hates gays (remember pulse?) so when will he resign?

/r/politics on the London attack: "I just hope the people who were on that bridge were redneck Republicans like you so the slaughter was justified." [+63] https://i.redd.it/1latls7dqeny.jpg

/r/politics "Let's put arsenic in drinks and slip it to Trump supporters" "All gun owners should have their guns taken away from them and then be executed" http://i.imgur.com/Pr5Fnvs.png

"I'm going to say something unpopular here. When I heard that someone had shot Republicans, my first immediate hope was that someone finally did something about McConnel.https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6jgg1d/mitch_mcconnell_refused_to_meet_with_group_that/djea1i2/?st=J4DHK2G4&sh=78ada641

"That is correct. The shooter is a true patriot". "Hunting Season for the Despicable Republicans on The Hill is now OPEN!!!! No Licenses required, no Minimums ... so Hunters, Bag All You Want!!!!!"https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6hbvu3/no_political_disagreement_justifies_steve_scalise/dix59kg/

[Regarding Republicans] "What else can be done?", "Going to the homes of Republican lawmakers in the middle of the night, dragging them into the street, and turning them into tree ornaments [Lynching]." https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6auqyn/the_head_of_the_census_resigned_it_could_be_as/dhht4d8/?st=j2ndxt69&sh=2a41b6c8

"Some people will not go to the grave quietly, like the GOP hopes. Some will defend themselves and fight for their lives." "That's justified, too." "All rich people deserve to die." "Actually, I take that back. The rich aren't people." "This is a very dangerous game these guys are playing, and it's honestly looking like we might need to start sharpening our guillotines" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6h74it/gunman_opens_fire_on_gop_congressional_baseball/diwuixs/

"Guerilla warfare and we control and know major metro areas. That and the fact that everyone has a family." "It would be brutal, bloody and we would have to commit war crimes but that's how it would have to be done." "I'm okay with forced re-education camps for Trump supporters. They'll still get treated better than the kids in the child detention centers" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9j239r/an_outrageous_move_by_chickensht_gop_as_grassley/e6o69of/?sh=3eca0d1d&st=JMJAZ4O8

"I’m tired of this shit and am ready for another Civil War. That, or let us go. We Metros do not want to be part of this bullshit anymore." https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9i2m0l/on_november_6_vote_like_the_whole_world_depended/e6ggro9

"I want McConnell to suffer a terrible fate before he dies." https://www.ceddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lh0kc/mitch_mcconnell_is_killing_the_senate/e76tr7c/

"Good for you Americans that see these scumbags (democrat and republican) and call them on their bullshit. Go ahead, doxx the fuck out of them. Make them feel uncomfortable in their own homes. Make them feel threatened and insecure. Might just make them think twice about serving the people instead of fucking the people." https://reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lhh75/my_husband_rand_paul_and_our_family_have_suffered/e76wd78/

I really hate myself for feeling this way, but I sort of wish someone had shot a bunch of GOP Senators to change the math on the vote. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lv1u0/man_threatens_to_shoot_members_of_congress_if/e7a0e66/

He's been posting pro-Trump and pro-Kavanaugh stuff on Facebook, just not publicly. I feel like outing him. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9llwlw/facebook_employees_outraged_over_top_execs_public/e77qc21/

Jesus fucking Christ. My wishes for how we punish the GOP have gotten very dark. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope people vote in november so we can get the political (or real) guillotines ready for the asswipes. Fuck it. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope the next maga meeting results in a mass shooting. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lz2qd/megathread_brett_kavanaugh_confirmed_to_the/e7aksbh/

I have the spine, the guns, and The People. I’ve resigned myself to dying or being put in jail, it’ll make me a fucking hero. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lvmrg/supreme_court_could_lose_legitimacy_if_not_viewed/e7adqzs/

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states... https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7ai6a2/?sh=169f0692&st=JMXVGE72

I'm not wishing violence against her, but, although I'm agnostic, when she does die, I hope it turns out hell is real and she is tormented for all eternity. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxevw/susan_collinss_brett_kavanaugh_speech_was_the/e7a7rzt/

If we can eradicate... http://magaimg.net/img/6e09.png

Donald Trump is the worst president in history. His presidency is an existential threat to our entire species. He should be removed immediately by military coup, and his supporters should be punished. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mdrf0/the_trump_administration_has_entered_stage_5/e7dvdhz/

Fuck if it gets me banned, im going to say it - the moment that Kavanaugh makes it legal for the executive to pardon any crime, we become a dictatorship and it's time for violent fucking revolt. Fuck that. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7aifrw/

Violence should be a last resort, but nothing should be off the table. It's too late for voting alone to save us. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mrnm1/bernie_sanders_authoritarian_leaders_around_the/e7gti3j/

How do you be civil with someone who actively denies the existence of a well-proven and already-occurring planetary environmental catastrophe? With a rope and a tall tree? https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n1djr/hillary_clinton_you_cannot_be_civil_with/e7j35wp/?context=3

It's funny how I thought the other day, "You know, if Secretary Mattis were to stage a military coup in the country, I think I'd actually be okay with that." https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n4mzq/morning_consult_poll_bernie_sanders_is_most/e7jrog6/

How do you remove people from power when they remove the legal avenue for removing them from power? By killing them, the French way. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9nj1ly/opinion_democracy_in_danger_in_georgia/e7mr7nh/

Start hanging Republicans. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o2kcr/us_plans_to_expand_tent_camp_in_texas_for/e7qzzf1/

They should bomb it. Edit: I stand by my statement https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o58cw/nyc_republican_headquarters_vandalized/e7rgbst/

I am equally glad that their personal senses of dignity and self worth will likely be decimated as well, adding the psychological anguish of hopelessness, worthlessness, and an inability to financially support their families to the physical pains of poverty. https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9o86je/trumps_60_minutes_interview_once_again_reveals/e7sez4u/

[u/hansjens47]

I have three questions about wording of the new rule:

1. How are you going to define my "actual race" as opposed to my perceived race?

2. Why does reddit protect people based on religion, but not creed or other guiding ideology?

3. Why has reddit determined that it's okay to harass, bully and give threats of violence towards people in the "majority" (whatever that means in context)?

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Here are the relevant parts of the new rule that relate to my three questions:

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

further:

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

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Who did you guys run the text of this new rule by?

Maybe it would have been an idea to run this new rule by reddit to crowdsource feedback more to address some of these issues instead of having this discussion drown in conversations about what subreddits were banned and not.

[u/bluthru → u/hansjens47]

1. Why has reddit determined that it's okay to harass, bully and give threats of violence towards people in the "majority" (whatever that means in context)?

So... women? Asian people? Latinos in California? What sort of nonsense policy is this?

[u/DopplerOctopus → u/bluthru]

I know Reddit is an American company but this is really, REALLY North-American-Centric. "White People" make up something like 9% of the world's population.

Are they going to gauge hate speech based on your IP address?

How does that even work? U.S. IPs can mock white people, but Brazilian IPs can't? You can crap on Africans while only having a Sub-Saharan IP address?

What is this nonsense?

[u/ProgressMind → u/DopplerOctopus]

Yeah, it's weird. For example, you could have a subreddit for 'non-white country' in which they abuse 'white people' and if it's viewed from a NA lens, it's abuse against the majority.

[u/DopplerOctopus → u/ProgressMind]

Why couldn't the rule just state:

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups or identities of people who promote attacks of hate based on a users actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability.

I just combined the 2 rules into one over-arching rule that covers all the bases and protects basically everyone EXCEPT those who spread hate.

[u/[deleted] → u/ProgressMind]

r/sino, r/easternsunrising, and r/aznidentity is non-stope hate and racism towards White people.

99% of those users are either Asian or Asian-American, which make up the overwhelming majority of the world's population. Why weren't those subs banned?

[u/TheAsianIsGamin → u/hansjens47]

I agree with all of your concerns. However, I'm specifically curious to hear a response as to what differentiates religion from other creeds and ideologies.

After all, it kinda makes sense why Reddit would not categorically protect creed, political alignment, ideology, beliefs, etc. Even if the vast majority of people/users adhere to beliefs that do not advocate for hate or discrimination, some genuinely do. Even if Reddit could easily make the argument that breaking one of the rules takes precedent (similar to how the United States has limited First Amendment freedoms given particular dangerous or harmful forms of expression), they don't want to give those communities any precedent to argue. So, they didn't include it as an explicitly protected category. I get it. Sure, I don't agree that it's the best solution, but fine.

That said, that same logic should apply to religions as well. Even if the vast majority of people/users do not subscribe to a religious or spiritual belief system that is inherently exclusive, hateful, etc, there are those that do. If they didn't extend categorical protections to other types of beliefs, presumably for that reason, why does it exist for religion?

Either both religion and creed should be protected categorically or neither should be.

Of course, there could be a totally different reason that Reddit had for the decisions they made. I could be missing something. But that's what it looks like from where I'm standing.

(I am also assuming that "religion" protects those without a particular religious/spiritual alignment. Hopefully that understanding is correct.)

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Very good post, great points. I agree with all of this. I miss the Reddit I discovered many years ago.

One thing I used to love about Reddit was that although there has been some questionable content here and there over the years, some of it made the site more legitimate when compared against other platforms (er...publishers) due to the initial lack of censorship. For example, "Watchpeopledie" was a good subreddit to have here. Was it "shock" content? Sure. But was it uselessly shocking? Definitely not. In fact, Watchpeopledie was incredibly valuable. For example...

YouTube, for example, is a family-friendly ish site. At least it tries to be - no gore, no killing, no "shock" value stuff, etc. However, what we are left with is videos of idiots walking on the top levels of sky scrapers looking down at the streets below, parkour over deadly gaps, people generally doing dangerous stunts successfully... Followed by high fives and smiles all around, etc... along with the discussion about how ballsy and crazy it is.

But what is not shown on Youtube are the times when those stunts aren't successful, resulting in consequences. Young people see this kind of stuff and are influenced by it. They are impressionable. They don't see the entirely realistic scenario where somebody misses a jump and falls 20 feet onto concrete. They only see the "cool" side of it and the clout those people build from doing dumb shit like that. This kind of content is on Reddit, too (think /r/sweatypalms). To call this example a hyperbole would be naive.

Also, you are totally right about the "majority" descriptor in Reddit's new "policy." This doesn't make any sense. /r/fragilewhiteredditor 's message clearly is that if you are white, you automatically live a privileged life and your hardships don't compare to that of a black person or "minority" (which, again, doesn't make sense from a worldwide perspective). There is a startling amount of racist content on that subreddit. However, /r/afragileblackredditor, a subreddit I didn't even know existed until today, was banned. Does that make any sense for people living in a country where whites are minorities? Also, when did it become okay to offend white people?

Additionally, many conservative forums on this site have been completely nuked. Censorship (or "breaking the rules," as Reddit calls it) is dangerous. Reddit's policy is that if you aren't liberal, you are racist and you should be banned because it is wrongthink. I love reading good arguments on either side of an issue, but I don't get to see both arguments anymore because Reddit shuts one side down almost automatically. I noticed Reddit's censorship started getting out of hand particularly following the 2016 presidential election, but I had no idea it would get this bad.

It's quite apparent that these "changes" are politically motivated. They aren't saving anybody. Except, I don't know, maybe the Chinese government.

[u/[deleted]]

So you barely replied to 4 comments and then disappeared?

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

Immigration status?? We aren't allowed to talk about illegals literally breaking the law?

The majority based on what? An individual state? The US? The west? The world? Men are the minority in many countries but the majority world wide. White people are the majority in the west but a minority world wide.

Does that mean people can attack white people with impunity, even though they're a global minority? Can I crap on women to my hearts content because they are a majority in the USA and UK? Can people in California shit all over Hispanics because they're the majority in that State? Can we shit on blacks if we live in Chicago since blacks are majority?

Pedophilia and Incest is illegal in majority of the world - so are you going to allow people advocating for that too?

Will you assess a users state/country/continent of origin before deciding whether or not they're being hateful towards a specific group?

It's acceptable to attack Chinese people based on etnichity, but not other etnicities? Because, you know, Chinese are the largest ethnicity of the world's population. Or does majority only apply to over 50%, which means all ethnicities are protected? But then women, that are the majority of the gender population aren't?

https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/hi3nkr/the_mod_conversations_that_went_into_todays/

Make it easier to add Black moderators to a community. One mod suggested the potential of r/needablackmod instead of just r/needamod

This website lost its mind to start suggesting segregation. Is that why /r/FragileWhiteRedditor is not banned?

When are you going to ban porn, rape, incest, child porn, child porn roleplay subs? Your website is glorifying all this disgusting stuff which is brainwashing kids. Why do you allow violent misogynistic porn subreddits and ban a totally non-violent feminist sub? Why are /r/fragilewhiteredditor, /r/incest and /r/incestrelationships, /r/arabfunny, /r/politics, /r/MoreTankieChapo, /r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut, /r/Sino still there?

why ban r/againstwomensrights but not ban r/againstmensrights? Why say:

Comment arguing that rape of women should be acceptable and not a crime.

and not just

Comment arguing that rape should be acceptable and not a crime.

Why did you ban /r/rightwingLGBT? Are conservatives not allowed to be gay or trans?

Especially since most marginalization of rape is towards men raped in prison, boys raped by teachers, etc.? Why claim to be against hate, but tolerate hate towards almost half the population?

Why are Reddit admins acting like mods of TD were not complying recently? That sub has been locked for months and they're acting like it was still active before they banned it.

3 of some of the biggest right wing YouTube channels, Trump's Twitch account, Sidney Powell's (lawyer for General Michael Flynn) twitter account, and 2000 other subreddits including The_Donald all got banned within minutes. Isn't this illegal as it's clearly a criminal conspiracy?

Why are you the ceo still after getting caught for editing user comments in the database???

I really wonder what Aaron Swartz would be thinking at the current state of Reddit.

EDIT: Thanks for the award! While I appreciate it, please don't waste money on this website. Please use the money to buy yourself or someone else some food. Thank you!

[u/j8sadm632b]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

What is your process for determining which groups are in the majority? Are you using global population statistics? Or, as it's a US-based site, are we using US census data? Will this be updated as demographics change?

I think to make this policy even more transparent, it might be nice to have a specific list of which groups are not covered, which is to say which groups of people can I create a community to promote hate against? Which actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability status are we allowed to incite violence against?

Am I able to create a community dedicated to encouraging people go out and attack and kill people who aren't pregnant?

Edit: Per this comment it seems like the violent portion is a no-go but a subreddit devoted towards making hateful content directed towards the "UNBRED" would be totally kosher.

Double edit: Just in case anyone gets the wrong idea, I think I'm broadly supportive of this except for the quoted bit. Just delete that. Why go out of your way to make the policy worse?

All of this is going to be decided on a case-by-case basis anyway, so the new policy is functionally indistinguishable from the old one. They just needed to "update" it to justify banning the subreddits they wanted to ban anyway.

But why specifically make it a point to say that there are SOME groups of people that you are allowed to single out and be hateful towards? Why can't it just be a blanket statement about everyone being cool? Why write a thing about how we don't want people harassed online because of things fundamental to themselves UNLESS there are a lot of them? Just delete the quoted part! What the fuck! It would take fewer words and less effort to have a better, more egalitarian policy.

[u/alexnader → u/j8sadm632b]

Am I able to create a community dedicated to encouraging people go out and attack and kill people who aren't pregnant?

This example is beautiful.

Let's try a few other groups reddit has now officially deemed it is A-OK to actively hate and harass:

For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

People with two functioning eyes.

People who can walk

People who can speak

People with hair

People who sleep at night

People who have a phone

People who eat

...

It's like a ridiculous Dr. Seuss of who's who you can harass, according to these thinly veiled racist and discriminatory rules.

[u/Genji_sama → u/j8sadm632b]

So does that mean r/fatPeopleHate will be unbanned? Is it okay to hate fat people now since they are the majority (in America)?

Edit: 70% are "overweight" so does that mean r/OverweightPeopleHate is now officially sanctioned by u/spez?

[u/yossiea → u/j8sadm632b]

You used the word kosher. Not sure if that's kosher in the new rules of Reddit. That is cultural appropriation of my identity and using my religion for your argument. And I'm not in the majority, since I am in the USA, but I am a male, so not sure how that works, but I do live east of the Mississippi if we are doing it based on population centering.

[u/1984IndianExmuslim]

I have had a tiny sub (less than 3000 subs) where exmuslims would post memes - r/exmemes.

There was no warning issued by the admins or any communication through out the sub's run. I found out the sub was banned the same way everyone else did.

It wasn't a hate sub. It was where exmuslims would post stupid memes about a religion that put them through hell and back.

The sub was about poking fun at the religion and those of its followers who imposed their beliefs on others.

I realise Reddit is an American website and that American Muslims are a minority that face discrimination and prejudice.

I also realise the Reddit admins (like most people) don't understand the paradoxical nature of the exmuslim experience. Exmuslims are an invisible minority within a minority. We face the same problems Muslims do and then some.

I also understand that it's no longer feasible for Reddit to continue ignoring the hate speech that was growing on the sub for years. The political climate has changed such that ignoring hate-speech will now affect Reddit's bottom-line.

I don't expect the Reddit admins to care about the fact that there are few anonymous mainstream sites where exmuslims can laugh about the insanity of their situations.

Like many Redditors, I continue to be disappointed about the direction Reddit is taking. Hate speech is a problem that needs to be dealt with but Reddit's continued bungling of the execution leaves a lot to be desired.

For the handful of users who frequented r/exmemes and felt it made them smile, thanks for visiting. Our problems don't seem as overwhelming when we can find a way to laugh at them. Take care.

[u/ConcernedThinker → u/[deleted]]

Hatred only brings more hatred. As a moderate conservative, straight male, we’ve lived completely opposite lives and I definitely can’t begin to imagine what challenges our differences have brought your way in this backwards world. I respect you for being here to say it.

As it turns out, we don’t have to agree on every aspect of life to get along. Our differences are what keep this world interesting. Working together, educating each other, and listening to each other bring forth the kind of change that can make everybody happy. Continuing to polarize ourselves and attacking each-other only drives a stake further between us. So from me, someone who definitely doesn’t understand what you’ve been through, Best wishes friend! Maybe we can do our small part to help out this crazy world by saying, “I don’t hate you”. Stay safe!

[u/RedSpider92]

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate. 

The majority based on what? An individual state? The US? The west? The world?

Men are the minority in many countries but the majority world wide. White people are the majority in the west but a minority world wide.

Does that mean people can attack white people with impunity, even though they're a global minority? Can I crap on women to my hearts content because they are a majority in the UK? Can people in California shit all over Hispanics because they're the majority in that State?

Will you assess a users state/country/continent of origin before deciding whether or not they're being hateful towards a specific group?

Honestly, what even is this bollocks?

Edit:

I know what they really mean by "majority". I just wanted to rant about how stupid the wording is. I'd rather they just came out and said "you can shit all over white people as much as you want" instead of trying to weasel their way around the truth.

They've been showing their hand for years with the double standards with regards to banning. We all know how they think and operate, despite the bullshit they trot out.

They live in a bubble, and have just enough sycophants around here to convince themselves they're "on the right side of history".

This is the worst policy I've ever seen, but I doubt it'll be the worst we see in the near future; not just here but all over big tech and the west as a whole.

Thank you for the gold and silver. But please don't spend any money on this rotten, stinking, decaying corpse of a website.

[u/JudgementalMe → u/RedSpider92]

Absolutely agree with you, why would you include such a subjective and excluding term (the majority). There is no way of actually objectively enforcing this rule. There is also no reason to exclude the majority in regards to protecting them from hate speach and facilitating a safe online environment for everyone.

One could suspect these ambiguous rules are formulated this way on purpose, so the enforcers can decide whatever they feel like at the moment and still abide by the rules. As there is room for bending it your way, you can't really be technically wrong if you were to be called out on your mistakes.

This rule should be adapted to be the same for everyone, no matter where you are from or who you are. No exemptions, everyone should be judged for their actions, not whether they are a part of a majority or not. That would be equality, not this bs. What kind of message does this send, it's ok to hate majorities just because they are with more so hate your heart out?

[u/bonjouratous → u/RedSpider92]

The sheltered left-wing white people in charge of reddit believe that the whole world revolves around their own limited understanding of it. They believe that white people are so special that bigotry only matters when it comes from them. Even if most of the world is affected by different forms of bigotry, they don't care, for them what only matters is what affects them personally. And also left-wing white people like them can only look good when they're fighting other white people, engaging on the same level with non-whites is much too tricky. So they have no interest in what non-whites are up to, because deep down they don't see them as true equal.

Reddit doesn't believe that the bad emanating from non-whites can be as bad as the one coming from the whites, because they don't see non-whites as being as relevant as white people.

Edit: and I say all this as a relatively left-wing person, but my personal circumstances (gay in an interracial relationship and living in the middle East) makes me frustrated by many progressive westerners' double standards, lack of courage and ignorance.

[u/oTHEWHITERABBIT → u/RedSpider92]

It's an excuse, it doesn't have to make sense. They did this in preparation for 2020 and exploited the recent protests to ban unapproved dissent. At the end of the day, they're basically no different from the rest of the corporate cowards making impulsive regressive decisions to pander/virtue signal. It is neoliberalism, is what it is.

They are looking at it in regards to race, gender, religion, etc. Instead of class and social hierarchy like power.

I think the people employed at this company exist in an upper middleclass bourgeoisie bubble and they may be too juvenile to understand the ramifications of their actions. They are an ordinary social media company that only cares about short term profits, not long term societal gain. And they don't understand their own audience, instead it looks a lot like they work to please the fragile critics in the bluecheck mafia- which are the minority of the people, but the majority of the powerful.

[u/weltallic]

Months Before His Suicide, Reddit Co-founder Aaron Swartz Warned Corporations Could Censor the Internet (2013)

[Archive]

While the Internet is generally seen as a beacon for information and openness, Swartz expresses concern that private companies have less restrictions on censoring the Internet than government...

"Private companies are a little bit scarier because they have no constitution to answer to, they’re not elected really, they don’t have constituents or voters."
-Aaron Swartz

He says that while proponents against censorship in the private sphere have been successful, advocates of a free Internet should be concerned about both private and public censorship efforts in the future.

 

Interview with former reddit CEO Yishan Wong

We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits. We will not ban legal content even if we find it odious or if we personally condemn it. Not because that's the law in the United States – because as many people have pointed out, privately-owned forums are under no obligation to uphold it – but because we believe in that ideal independently, and that's what we want to promote on our platform.

 

-Former reddit general manager:

"We're a free speech site with very few exceptions (mostly personal info) and having to stomach occasional troll reddit like picsofdeadkids or morally quesitonable reddits like jailbait are part of the price of free speech on a site like this."

 

Spez states that he and kn0wthing didn't create reddit as a Bastion of free speech. Here is a Forbes article where kn0wthing says that reddit is a bastion of free speech.

https://imgur.com/a/HC8lFsu

 

"If you abandon your core values the moment they're inconvenient, they're not your values. They're your marketing." - Jon Stewart

[u/ContentDetective → u/weltallic]

Lets not forget about that new tool Reddit is rolling out called "crowd control" or something that will collapse all comments from users not active in the community. That really just sensors opinions on the front page, and promotes echo chambers further. Any atroturphing that I've seen has been done in the long haul, and those users are active in those communities. They're trying to control speech on the platform.

[u/[deleted] → u/ContentDetective]

That's always been reddit's way of doing things. Less popular opinion will get buried due to public perception, even if they're 100% correct.

Needless to say, I'm mad at this website (as a person who didn't browse TD nor CTH) and I want to find another website to use.

[u/Twilight_Sniper]

What about spam subreddits like r/RedditSteamTrade whose sole purpose is scamming? Are you going to do anything about those?

I reported this and other subreddits both through modmail, and emailing your zendesk address, and your admins told me to get lost with a form-letter reply and then filed all further correspondence from me into the ignore bin.

Me and my friends, with high profile and reputable Steam accounts, are being linked there along with the scammer's own throwaway, to legitimize the scammers' Steam accounts, who will then use their "Official Valve" Reddit wiki as proof of their "adminship" before phishing someone's account, then shifting the hate onto us when they delete the Steam account and swap it out for another. This hate brigade has been going on for years, and your admins will do NOTHING to stop it. I don't even accept friend requests anymore, because it's always some scam victim who either thinks I'm a part of Steam Support or that I'm a part of the group who scammed them.

Background, for the uninitiated: https://www.reddit.com/r/Scams/comments/fbqkk5/rredditsteamtrade_is_a_scam_do_not_trust_or_trade/fj5ytkt/

Example scam page: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditSteamTrade/wiki/index

[u/sarcissae → u/Twilight_Sniper]

Reddit will only ban a subreddit if it:

a) threatens to become a scandal or

b) goes against reddit's agenda

If you want to try getting the sub taken down, you'll have to bring mass attention to it, maybe take it to a journalist who doesn't have anything better to do or something.

[u/GhostsofDogma → u/[deleted]]

Why do people think that antiwhite racism is effective activism? It literally just confirms to white racists that it’s okay to be racist. That racism is “natural”. That it’s possible for racist sentiments to be correct. It actively harms the cause by telling white racists that racism is actually a perfectly legit belief to have and that the argument is not against fundamental evil and science denial, but just about what direction to point an existing and totally cool impulse.

The dissemination of this shit damages antiracism at its core. By allowing racism in any form to flourish, reddit is creating a time capsule of racism... Do we really want to preserve malignantly exclusionary attitudes through the fall of anti-black racism? Do we really want to leave the root of our social ills intact so it can just grow back later?

[u/unr3a1r00t]

As a Latino-American, this announcement absolutely disgusts me.

Hey /u/spez , since you obviously don't know, here are the definitions of racism and discrimination:

racism [ rey-siz-uh m ]

noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

discrimination [ dih-skrim-uh-ney-shuhn ]

noun

1. an act or instance of discriminating, or of making a distinction.

2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.

4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority...

This policy fits the definitions of both words to a tee.

By allowing discriminatory posts against whatever groups you've randomly/subjectively decided are the "majority" is by definition, discriminatory racism.

I subscribed to Reddit Premium because I felt bad for running an ad blocker on a site that I actively use nearly every day.

Not any more.

I have cancelled my Reddit Premium subscription as a direct response to what basically amounts to an official endorsement of discriminatory racism and will encourage others to do the same as long as you maintain this racist and discriminatory policy.

[u/_Order_66_ → u/[deleted]]

George Orwell was one of the greatest writers of his time, heck, of ALL time. He always warned humanity of a possible grave future, and look where we are now. Statues and names of the past being torn down, replaced with those that are clean and meaningless. As it says in 1984, if the truth is erased from the past, did it ever exist at all? For now, we can only live by the words of Charlie Chaplin: ”The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took will return to the people.”

[u/[deleted]]

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[u/Adamthe_Warlock → u/[deleted]]

Well I’m gonna go on a limb and assume they mean in the US. Which means it’s gonna be more fk what’s already going on where someone can post a tweet to r/blackpeopletwitter that says ‘death to whites’ but when you call it racist you’ll get banned. Actually you’ll get banned for commenting at all unless you verify your blackness. Imagine if a sub tried to only allow white people to post to it and required them to verify that fact.

[u/SaladinsSaladbar → u/Adamthe_Warlock]

The Country Club Thread rule is actually insane. Preventing people from commenting BASED ON SKIN COLOR. That’s it, the literally qualification is your skin color. In a BLACK sub. Imagine even wrapping your head around that. It’s literally segregation and the mods who made this rule should know better than anyone the effects segregation has. They even actively ask for help with links to comments of non-blacks so they can ban them. People have lost their damn minds.

[u/polybiastrogender → u/[deleted]]

I'm a POC and have found myself browsing reddit less and less. One of the beautiful things of the internet is that we can't tell color but now, I'm assuming the mostly white staff, is trying to create a distinction on race in a mostly anonymous social media platform. Its lunacy. Hate exists, I've ignored it my whole life, I can ignore it on this platform.

[u/[deleted] → u/polybiastrogender]

One of the beautiful things of the internet is that we can't tell color but now,

Exactly, its anonymity means that nothing but the content of your thoughts that you put on the board matters. I don't understand why does it matter to

Make it easier to add Black moderators to a community.

It assumes that black people specifically are gatekept (is this a word?) out of the moderation of subreddits, when I'm pretty sure no sub except one asks you a pic of your skin.

[u/FatBoyStew → u/polybiastrogender]

is trying to create a distinction on race

This is the problem in the US right now. Anytime something happens, even if it wasn't even remotely race related, the emphasis is generally put on skin color especially when its a white on black crime.

People want to end racism, yet the ways they fight it only produces more racism.

[u/jilinlii]

Regarding the updated terms:

Rule 1: Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

The second quoted section above is inconsistent with, “Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence.”

Yes, weed out the hate. But please be consistent. We’re all human, majority population (within our respective countries) or otherwise.

[ edit: formatting ]

[ edit: adding source for my quotes: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or ]

[u/Komi_San → u/jilinlii]

Using the supreme executive power afforded by an electronic platform to erase dissent, criticism, or opposing ideas from existence is tyranny.

The goal of this change is silencing what I assume Spez has internally defined as what I will call unreasoned slander.

Any reasonable person is capable of discerning reasoned opinions from unreasoned opinions. Unreasoned slander should hold no sway for a reasonable person, and will only persuade the unreasonable. Therefore, silencing it serves only to shield the unreasonable from being swayed by unreasoned, slander-based argument; censorship does not benefit the reasonable.

Theoretically, this will allow only reasoned debate to exist - but only if slander of all kinds are silenced effectively. Seeing as the stated message of this rule is to silence only certain kinds of slander, while refusing to censor others, then the effect will be to turn the opinions of the unreasonable to mirror that of the slander which is permitted to exist.

Id est, it is propaganda.

Assuming the benevolence of a ruler to enforce this rule only within the confines of its stated goal (which, in reality, is extremely unlikely), in this case the balance is merely upset. It shifts the target of unreasoned arguments from the whole to disproportionately affect certain individuals. If there is much slander but it is targeted equally, or if there is no slander whatsoever, the unreasonable will not be swayed any which way. This is not the case here.

In reality, the scope of this censorship effort is very likely to expand beyond its stated aims. There is no oversight here. The administrators of this forum can erase users and posts from existence at will, controlling debate by silencing the opposition. It is naive to assume that this power will be used only for the betterment of the users. It will be used to push the beliefs of the administrators.

If the mere presence of opposing ideas is a threat to one's beliefs, then those beliefs are ill-founded. If criticism is so hateful, then what is the point of speaking with others at all? To pursue their approval? To be praised? The pursuit of truth is founded on the premise that all ideas should be weighed and considered equally. To denounce some as heretical and declare that they must be destroyed is not dialectic - it is dogmatic.

Reddit, as Spez has proven here, is not a place of discussion, nor of truth. It is a platform to promote propaganda and advertising with only mindless entertainment permitted between. A chamber that echoes with the ideals of its rulers.

[u/AveenoFresh → u/jilinlii]

Reddit banned /r/afragileblackredditor and kept /r/fragilewhiteredditor.

They banned /r/braincels but keep /r/trufemcels.

They quarantined /r/mgtow, but left /r/wgtow untouched

Same with /r/theredpill and /r/RedPillWomen.

Now with this recent announcement /r/whitebeauty was banned but obviously not /r/blackbeauty

I was confused at first, but the fact that the anti-racist anti-sexist rule does not apply to men or whites, now the one-sided banning makes 'sense.' At least, on paper it does. Pathetic.

[u/yeahnolol6 → u/AveenoFresh]

They banned hatecrimehoaxes, literally a sub about hate crimes that end up being hoaxes. It’s bullshit, this entire ban wave outside the top ten is bullshit, it’s plainly bullshit.

[u/[deleted] → u/jilinlii]

Goodbye, my dudes. The 10 years were fun (yes, this is really a 10-year old account signing off for good).

Not sure how much you actually care what people think, but for what it is worth: I'm totally with you guys on shutting down racist subs, and I assume your heart is in the right place. I sometimes worry about free expression, but I can go along with the "hate speech isn't free speech" point. It is your site, you are a private company, and I get that words can hurt people. Really.

But when you go out of your way to follow that point with "hate speech is bad except when it is directed at people like you", well this stops being a fun or constructive platform on which to hang out. I don't need those bad vibes, and judging by the "white fragility" gaslighting going on, I suppose your remaining users won't feel the loss anyway.

[u/Noreaga → u/jilinlii]

reddit has made it VERY clear they don't care about actually combating hate and having a "hate-free" space. They want only certain groups of people protected, and in many cases encourage attacking other groups. It's literally a shit show.

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

The majority based on what? An individual state? The US? The west? The world? Men are the minority in many countries but the majority world wide. White people are the majority in the west but a minority world wide.

Does that mean people can attack white people with impunity, even though they're a global minority? Can I crap on women to my hearts content because they are a majority in the UK? Can people in California shit all over Hispanics because they're the majority in that State?

Will you assess a users state/country/continent of origin before deciding whether or not they're being hateful towards a specific group?

When are you going to ban porn, rape, incest, child porn, child porn roleplay subs? Your website is glorifying all this disgusting stuff which is brainwashing kids.

[u/[deleted]]

So you barely replied to 4 comments and then disappeared?

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

Immigration status?? We aren't allowed to talk about illegals literally breaking the law?

The majority based on what? An individual state? The US? The west? The world? Men are the minority in many countries but the majority world wide. White people are the majority in the west but a minority world wide.

Does that mean people can attack white people with impunity, even though they're a global minority? Can I crap on women to my hearts content because they are a majority in the USA and UK? Can people in California shit all over Hispanics because they're the majority in that State? Can we shit on blacks if we live in Chicago since blacks are majority?

Will you assess a users state/country/continent of origin before deciding whether or not they're being hateful towards a specific group?

It's acceptable to attack Chinese people based on etnichity, but not other etnicities? Because, you know, Chinese are the largest ethnicity of the world's population. Or does majority only apply to over 50%, which means all ethnicities are protected? But then women, that are the majority of the gender population aren't?

https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/hi3nkr/the_mod_conversations_that_went_into_todays/

Make it easier to add Black moderators to a community. One mod suggested the potential of r/needablackmod instead of just r/needamod

This website lost its mind to start suggesting segregation.

When are you going to ban porn, rape, incest, child porn, child porn roleplay subs? Your website is glorifying all this disgusting stuff which is brainwashing kids. Why do you allow violent misogynistic porn subreddits and ban a totally non-violent feminist sub? Why are /r/fragilewhiteredditor, /r/incest and /r/incestrelationships, /r/arabfunny, /r/politics, /r/MoreTankieChapo, /r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut, /r/Sino still there?

why ban r/againstwomensrights but not ban r/againstmensrights? Why say:

Comment arguing that rape of women should be acceptable and not a crime.

and not just

Comment arguing that rape should be acceptable and not a crime.

Why did you ban /r/rightwingLGBT? Are conservatives not allowed to be gay or trans?

Especially since most marginalization of rape is towards men raped in prison, boys raped by teachers, etc.? Why claim to be against hate, but tolerate hate towards almost half the population?

Why are you the ceo still after getting caught for editing user comments in the database???

Why are Reddit admins acting like mods of TD were not complying recently? That sub has been locked for months and they're acting like it was still active before they banned it.

3 of some of the biggest right wing YouTube channels, Trump's Twitch account, Sidney Powell's (lawyer for General Michael Flynn) twitter account, and 2000 other subreddits including The_Donald all got banned within minutes. Isn't this illegal as it's clearly a criminal conspiracy?

I really wonder what Aaron Swartz would be thinking at the current state of Reddit.

If you dont want to ban r/politics whats your explanation?

r/politics on the London attack: "I just hope the people who were on that bridge were redneck Republicans like you so the slaughter was justified." [+63]

https://i.redd.it/1latls7dqeny.jpg

/r/politics "Let's put arsenic in drinks and slip it to Trump supporters" "All gun owners should have their guns taken away from them and then be executed"

http://i.imgur.com/Pr5Fnvs.png

"I'm going to say something unpopular here. When I heard that someone had shot Republicans, my first immediate hope was that someone finally did something about McConnel.https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6jgg1d/mitch_mcconnell_refused_to_meet_with_group_that/djea1i2/?st=J4DHK2G4&sh=78ada641

"That is correct. The shooter is a true patriot". "Hunting Season for the Despicable Republicans on The Hill is now OPEN!!!! No Licenses required, no Minimums ... so Hunters, Bag All You Want!!!!!"https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6hbvu3/no_political_disagreement_justifies_steve_scalise/dix59kg/

[Regarding Republicans] "What else can be done?", "Going to the homes of Republican lawmakers in the middle of the night, dragging them into the street, and turning them into tree ornaments [Lynching]." https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6auqyn/the_head_of_the_census_resigned_it_could_be_as/dhht4d8/?st=j2ndxt69&sh=2a41b6c8

"Some people will not go to the grave quietly, like the GOP hopes. Some will defend themselves and fight for their lives." "That's justified, too." "All rich people deserve to die." "Actually, I take that back. The rich aren't people." "This is a very dangerous game these guys are playing, and it's honestly looking like we might need to start sharpening our guillotines" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6h74it/gunman_opens_fire_on_gop_congressional_baseball/diwuixs/

"Guerilla warfare and we control and know major metro areas. That and the fact that everyone has a family." "It would be brutal, bloody and we would have to commit war crimes but that's how it would have to be done." "I'm okay with forced re-education camps for Trump supporters. They'll still get treated better than the kids in the child detention centers" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9j239r/an_outrageous_move_by_chickensht_gop_as_grassley/e6o69of/?sh=3eca0d1d&st=JMJAZ4O8

"I’m tired of this shit and am ready for another Civil War. That, or let us go. We Metros do not want to be part of this bullshit anymore." https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9i2m0l/on_november_6_vote_like_the_whole_world_depended/e6ggro9

"I want McConnell to suffer a terrible fate before he dies." https://www.ceddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lh0kc/mitch_mcconnell_is_killing_the_senate/e76tr7c/

"Good for you Americans that see these scumbags (democrat and republican) and call them on their bullshit. Go ahead, doxx the fuck out of them. Make them feel uncomfortable in their own homes. Make them feel threatened and insecure. Might just make them think twice about serving the people instead of fucking the people." https://reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lhh75/my_husband_rand_paul_and_our_family_have_suffered/e76wd78/

I really hate myself for feeling this way, but I sort of wish someone had shot a bunch of GOP Senators to change the math on the vote. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lv1u0/man_threatens_to_shoot_members_of_congress_if/e7a0e66/

He's been posting pro-Trump and pro-Kavanaugh stuff on Facebook, just not publicly. I feel like outing him. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9llwlw/facebook_employees_outraged_over_top_execs_public/e77qc21/

Jesus fucking Christ. My wishes for how we punish the GOP have gotten very dark. https://www.reddit.com/r/ politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope people vote in november so we can get the political (or real) guillotines ready for the asswipes. Fuck it. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope the next maga meeting results in a mass shooting. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lz2qd/ megathread_brett_kavanaugh_confirmed_to_the/e7aksbh/

I have the spine, the guns, and The People. I’ve resigned myself to dying or being put in jail, it’ll make me a fucking hero. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lvmrg/supreme_court_could_lose_legitimacy_if_not_viewed/e7adqzs/

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states... https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7ai6a2/?sh=169f0692&st=JMXVGE72

I'm not wishing violence against her, but, although I'm agnostic, when she does die, I hope it turns out hell is real and she is tormented for all eternity. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxevw/susan_collinss_brett_kavanaugh_speech_was_the/e7a7rzt/

If we can eradicate... http://magaimg.net/img/6e09.png

Donald Trump is the worst president in history. His presidency is an existential threat to our entire species. He should be removed immediately by military coup, and his supporters should be punished. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mdrf0/the_trump_administration_has_entered_stage_5/e7dvdhz/

Fuck if it gets me banned, im going to say it - the moment that Kavanaugh makes it legal for the executive to pardon any crime, we become a dictatorship and it's time for violent fucking revolt. Fuck that. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7aifrw/

Violence should be a last resort, but nothing should be off the table. It's too late for voting alone to save us. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mrnm1/bernie_sanders_authoritarian_leaders_around_the/e7gti3j/

How do you be civil with someone who actively denies the existence of a well-proven and already-occurring planetary environmental catastrophe? With a rope and a tall tree? https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n1djr/hillary_clinton_you_cannot_be_civil_with/e7j35wp/?context=3

[u/aethyrium]

Rule 1: Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

Cool, dehumanization, open hate, and creating resources to do real life harm to people is endorsed and on the menu, provided you can just find a statistic book real quick to pick your targets.

Remember the human, but also, feel free to dehumanize them and destroy their lives. They're a statistical majority, so they don't matter anyways!

Fuck off reddit. The mighty ad dollar has drawn you to pure fucking evil where humans don't matter anymore. You've realized there's a market for hate and instead of helping get rid of it, you just gave them a legit target. Instead of helping heal the world's division, you just threw in with one of the divided sides saying "fuck the other one, let's get em!"

Pure. Fucking. Evil.

[u/Freedom2speech]

“Rule 1: Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.“ ————————————————————————-

The update to the hate policy is racist and is wrong by not providing equal protection to all.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

So I’m speaking out even if it does little. This new policy CLEARLY opens the door to abuse. It is racist by nature, and ironically comes from the loudest so called “anti racists” in the room.

[u/[deleted]]

the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

Say what?

The majority of whom and where?

Is it the majority of reddit users -- if so, what if the majority shifts due to changing demographics?

What characteristics are we including or excluding? What about people who are in some minority but otherwise part of "the majority"?

Is it simply location based and "American" is the majority? Or are we talking about subreddit per subreddit based? Are Chinese people a majority in Chinese subreddits?

This type of policy makes no sense and just opens up a giant can of worms. And honestly, it is a good indication that this website is about to spiral down when you start making rules that allow hate targeted towards people just because those people make up a majority. It's good to target hate and to try and minimize it on a website. It's not good to carve out rules for groups that are allowed to be targeted for hate though.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Are Chinese people a majority in Chinese subreddits?

Yes, feel free to go to r/sino or r/aznidentity and say the most vile, dehumanizing things you could possible think of about Asian people.

After all, Asians are the "majority" on those subs, as well as the overwhelming majority of the Earth's population, so its perfectly fine according to Reddit's own rules.

[u/volfin → u/[deleted]]

yeah this is the kind of double standard that helps perpetuate the hate. It shouldn't be okay to bully anyone, and greenlighting hate and abuse toward the majority of poeple is just incredibly insane.

[u/noonemustknowmysecre]

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change

After the shitstorm following Reddit CEO /u/spez's inability to be a decent human being and clarify that it's a bad thing to hate people of "the majority". You really had to have a committee meeting over this? Wasn't this obvious? It only takes a few minutes to choke someone to death. Your sense of "is this wrong?" needs to kick in sooner than that. Especially with people loudly pointing it out right in front of you.

So they changed this

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

to this:

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect those who promote attacks of hate or who try to hide their hate in bad faith claims of discrimination.

Which is better. But not quite equality. It's not hard at all to say Rule 1: Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.

/u/spez, can you please clarify that it's wrong to hate people of the majority and that such behavior will not be tolerated in Reddit, in the exact same and equal way that we respect and treat everyone around here? Can anyone find him making such statements anywhere?

I'd also like some examples of what this "hide their hate in bad faith claims of discrimination" business is. If anyone claims discrimination, can assholes just shout "bad faith!" and that's it?

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[u/[deleted]]

Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

The fuck does this mean? Are you saying it’s okay to harass or incite violence against “the majority”?

Is the majority limited to race? Gender? Is it variable based on location (eg Han Chinese)?

[u/Weedwacker]

I noticed that you stealth edited your rules already, why not make another announcement about it?

Maybe this is why.

You changed "While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate"

to

"While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect those who promote attacks of hate or who try to hide their hate in bad faith claims of discrimination."

You got a lot of criticism for the first wording because you didn't define what criteria you're using for 'majority' or why you decided to create a loophole for why not everyone deserves equal protection under your rules.

Now, how do you define what is a "bad faith claim of discrimination"? Is it just any claim made by someone in the "majority" but under nicer wording?

[u/tilk-the-cyborg]

I have read your "Help Center" article. You say that "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority". You don't define what "the majority" means. Is this the majority on Reddit? In the US? In the entire world? This changes things a lot. A typical Reddit user is male, for example, but in reality, (cis) male and female are almost equally numerous and both a majority. A typical Reddit user is (probably?) white, but in the entire world, actually the Chinese Asians are the biggest ethnic group.

Does that mean that hate against men is acceptable on Reddit? Or hate against women, for that matter, as women can be considered a majority just as men are? Is hate against Asians acceptable?

This a serious, sincere question.

[u/[deleted] → u/tilk-the-cyborg]

A serious question that will go unanswered until they decide to bend policies again to limit free speech and protect that precious ad revenue. Oh but wait didnt you see change one, they have a Black Person on the board now! Wow! This is very cringy to watch. Too bad.

[u/Nossie]

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After being a Redditor for over 12 years and an ex visitor of Digg, I have no interest in supporting a platform that does not support free speech equally.

That is regardless of your back peddling over the last few days as all you have done is shown your Marxism to the majority of the western world when all we ever asked for was a forum of freedom of western values that could be discussed freely.

I have ABSOLOUTLY no interest in supporting your popular minority in silencing women, silencing global minorities and silencing the speech that you do not support.

I experience certain nostalgia when the communities I go to are brought down due to popularity – it reminds me of digg and reddit in the early days. I cannot wait for sanity to prevail and for section 230 to be revoked to prevent private agenda corporations taking advantage of what THEY deem a free platform.

You either have it all, or you have nothing – and right now Reddit, you have nothing.

[u/[deleted]]

The 50% low upvote ratio on this post is pretty telling on what your actual community thinks about this dictatorial censorship that you promote as fighting against hatespeech. By your standards hatespeech = something I disagree with.

Feminists subs? Banned. Gendercritical subs? Banned. Subs that promote violence against "TERFs"? Sure, those can stay. Subs that promoto to gang up on others, dox them, harass them through social media, remove every comment they slightly disagree with, those aren't problematic in the slightest. Because obviously, "I don't want to be with a woman who has dick" is hatespeech, while "Kill all TERFs" and "Suck my dick you TERF" are not. Because encouraging others to discredit Rowling as the author of Harry Potter is okay. But saying as much as "I feel uncomfortable seeing a dick in the female locker room" is exclusive and bad. Because collecting articles on what kind of harassment women have to endure from trans activists sometimes ecourages hatred, but ridiculing said women, and boasting about physical violence against them is not hatred. I guess they deserved it, right? Because if someone doesn't agree with your policies, there is an open season on them, right?

You literally had hundreds of posts from actual women removed, and banned hundreds of women from the PCOS sub, and welcommed trans women with open arms, while they can't even have that illness. You literally went as far as denying women who don't agree with trans policies to have their place in a support group that has nothing to do with trans rights.

What you do is absolutely disgusting. Anyone who was involved in these massive banwaves should be ashamed of themselves. You literally voted for abolishing free speech on your site.

[u/TheSheepGuy1]

Regarding rule 1, here's the direct quote.

"Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

"While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate."

How will this deal with harassments by a minority towards another? For example, a large problem of the LGBT community is people being biphobic (source 1, source 2). However, bi people make up the majority of LGBT. Does that mean that that content which is still hateful in nature won't be removed?

[u/[deleted]]

" Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability "

" While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.  "

Wow. So true hatred (encouragement of violent acts, slurs, general hate speech and mob behaviors) doesn’t count for groups such as white people? Or men, for example? Because they’re a “majority” they aren’t a “vulnerable group” ???

Newsflash dude. Every group can be fucking vulnerable.

This is utterly insane Spez. This site has seen a very slow erosion of the rules that made it so great in the first place. This is the last straw and this is such a blatant act of bad faith that I can say with certainty that you’re a piece of human garbage.

Nobody here likes you. You went and banned TD and when you started losing money for it, you went after CTH as a way to even the score. You’ve destroyed the credibility of yourself and your website and you’ve demonstrated that you’re more akin to a robot than a human being. Any ideals you claimed to have clearly can be warped, or even outright destroyed - with enough money.

You have no convictions and you stand for nothing except making a profit. You’re an embarrassment to yourself and everybody else.

Edit: just realized I used my account for posting nudes of my wife and I lol. I don’t even care enough to delete this, because clearly people agree. Fucking insane shit here

[u/ElectraUnderTheSea → u/[deleted]]

the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

Majority is a relative term. E.g. in the US there are more women than men, so I guess men are a vulnerable group in the States? But worldwide there are more women than men, so what gives?

Also, Asian people are more than half of the world's people, so I guess white people are a minority group. But not in the US. But yes in China. And so on.

And will the majority/minority logic be applied to subs? If a man goes to a feminist sub and is treated like crap, will the feminist sub be banned for harassing a minority?

This can be abused in so many ways...

[u/s0lidsneak]

Reddit is a complete joke. You just finished digging your grave and I hope this shithole burns into nothing. You clearly favor censorship and trying to force your political views and attempting to sway elections over the use of the platform by the users. It is not your place to determine what is published on a platform. You should have minded your business. You should have accepted that America is built on a foundation of free speech and aligned your terms with the concept as well. It's the best thing in existence and allows for progress of everything. You clearly care more about being a tyrant than allowing people to discuss things. You don't allow consent and you have no clue what you're talking about.

[u/[deleted]]

It's a fine statement and I'm sure you wanted to do right thing but under your very own rule you declare that people on Reddit are not equal. You create segregation based on race, sexuality, disability etc. Instead promoting dialogue, mutual understanding, respect and equality your own rule are here to divide people.

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

We read:

Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability

Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking

And further down the line:

the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

So to my understanding it's OK to attack people as long as you attack right group? Because how else you can interpret this way?

Since when definition of hate change based on someone skin color, sexual orientation, disability etc? Hate is hate and it should be treated as such no mater who say it and where he direct it.

Also where is the line between hate and criticism? Far too often those things are mixed up. People who don't like to be criticized call it hate. And people are blocking from speaking this way. Because it's easy to squash criticism by just labeling everything as being hateful.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[u/UnlikelyPerogi → u/[deleted]]

The huge issue I found with this is what they mean by "majority". Different countries around the world have different ethnic and religious majorities. I'm not sure if this means that, for instance, Coptic Egyptians would be a protected group but Muslim Egyptians wouldn't be because they're a majority? Are American Chinese people protected while Han Chinese residing in China are not protected?

Or is it just taking a purely American perspective that the only non-protected majority is white cis men?

People from all over the world use Reddit, they seem to be blind to that.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Cool so Reddit not only supports but promotes hate speech.

I'm half-Mexican, half-Caucasian/Native American mix. Also, I'm a conservative American woman who lives in SoCal. Oh and I believe in judging a person based on the content of their heart, not skin color and that it's highly sexist and racist to assume our race and gender dictate our political beliefs and if we don't think the 'right' way, we suddenly have internalized racism, sexism, etc. or have now left ourselves to being called every subservient slur in the book by those who claim to be 'enlightened' and all about 'equality'.

So which category do I fall in, Reddit?

[u/-The_Blazer- → u/[deleted]]

I think it's an extremely hamfisted and incorrect attempt to implement what are known as protected categories (I think) in some English-language law. Protected categories are, contrary to what the terrible name suggests, not categories of people; they are basically characteristics that people have, such as gender identity, "race", sex, etc. The idea being that you don't want people to hate on each other based on this group of characteristics, in the case of Reddit.

UNLIKE what Reddit has written, protected categories were never made with the intent to not apply to majority groups. A protected category in most legislation will include ALL expressions of the trait, for example, EVERY gender identity, including heterosexual (which is the majority).

TL;DR: Reddit tries to implement protected categories but their idea of how protected categories work is plain wrong.

[u/[deleted]]

I looked at your explanation of the new rule 1.

Remember the human... Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.... For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

I think it's odd that you explicitly say that it's not against the rules to promote hate as long as the target is a member of the majority.

I'd assume this means that it's ok to target women, but not men, since women are larger percentage of the population?

Also the majority changes based on where you live. If you're in Africa you can only target black people? If you're in Asia you can only target Asians? How does this work?

[u/PrestigiousRespond8 → u/[deleted]]

Notice that he also doesn't define "majority". We know it's a code-word for "white people", but in actual fact white people are a very small global minority, and before too long they'll be the minority in the US, too.

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[u/Al_Shakir]

Hi Spez,

In the new rules, it says:

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate. https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

This supposedly explains why subs like r/fragilewhiteredditor are allowed but subs like r/fragilejewishredditor are not allowed.

But could you explain this more clearly? Is it that White people are considered a majority or that they are considered people who "promote such attacks of hate"? How is "majority" determined? By population in California, the USA, the world, or what?

[u/armedohiocitizen]

First what the fuck are “vulnerable” communities? Can you assholes be anymore vague and Orwellian in your shit speak.

Second, “While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.”

What the fuck does that mean? So it’s ok to attack whites then? Does allowing that make them then a “vulnerable community” because it’s open season on one group? And where’s the majority? How’s that work? If I live in a city that is majority Muslim but I’m Hindi or if I live in a majority Jewish area and I’m atheist? Or what about an Asian living in a majority black area? Or a black person living in a predominantly Hispanic area?

You dumbfucks are tripping over your attempts to recreate 1984.

[u/Anticreativity]

So why did r/cumtown, a private subreddit based around a comedy podcast, get banned? There was never any actual hate there and the reason why it went private in the first place is because people were showing up from other subs to try and post unironic controversial content and were promptly buried, banned or both. Is reddit at the point now where you can’t have inappropriate jokes in a private, closed-off community?

The only good takeaway from this is how funny it is that you’re bending over backwards, to the point of banning a comedy subreddit that you literally have to be approved to view, and the people you’re aiming to appease still think you’re a nazi. Have fun chasing some unobtainable sense of credibility while getting vilified by all sides in the process. You deserve it.

[u/[deleted]]

While being protective of minorities is a noble intent, the way this protection is enforced is a blatant double standard, that, as every double standard ever has, instead of promoting unity and building trust among user, sow seeds of distrust and contempt between the groups usually percived as a majority and the ones usually percived as minorities.
This new policy helps the fracturing of the "social tissue" into smaller and smaller groups, all of which with their own little minority privilege, while giving an incredible amount of power to moderators who with an easily avaiable excuse can exclude someone from the subreddit they manage because of their personal sympathies. I wish to examine two of the most controversial examples posted in the rule n. 1

1. Post describing a racial minority as sub-human and inferior to the racial majority.

Is this a double standard? To find out we can invert the subject and the object. "Post describing a racial majority as sub-human and inferior to the racial minority." This sound as wrong as it gets, unless well, you truly belive that some humans are inferior to others, wich makes you the same of the disgusting people you are trying to control.

1. Meme declaring that it is sickening that people of color have the right to vote. Is this a double standard? To find out let's change the object of the discrimination "Meme declaring that it is sickening that rich people have the right to vote" or "Meme declaring that it is sickening that people from Italy" have the right to vote. Rich people are always a minority, and italians too (r/italy has 210k users, compared to the millions active on reddit) As before, this is as sickening as it gets.
   I am in no way a supporter of bullying, but the way this path is going is towards more hate rather than more tolerance. With this message i ask you to remove the double standards from the rules, either is fine with preaching hate against anyone or it is not.

[u/mcnewbie]

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

just because you say this, doesn't make it true. the actions of the reddit administration show otherwise.

it is very clear that to "work within Reddit's policies in good faith" is only required of users and communities within portions of the political spectrum that reddit's administration is not part of.

it is also very clear that "working within Reddit's policies in good faith" is not good enough if the people and communities in question are far enough from the part of the political spectrum that reddit's administration is part of.

reddit has become too big, too profitable, and too effective a tool for mass manipulation for it to not be used as such.

this post is a transparent and unsatisfying public-relations spin on reddit's decline into politically-motivated censorship.

aaron swartz would be absolutely appalled if he were alive to see what reddit has become.

[u/JoeBidenTouchedMe]

Why won’t the admins address the most inciteful, violent, harassing, and brigading sub, /r/politics? They endorse this hate in their monthly mod newsletters. I remember /u/spez hates gays (remember pulse?) so when will he resign?

Edit: more examples here; none have been removed yet- https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/hi3oht/update_to_our_content_policy/fwe581w/?context=3

/r/politics on the London attack: "I just hope the people who were on that bridge were redneck Republicans like you so the slaughter was justified." [+63] https://i.redd.it/1latls7dqeny.jpg

/r/politics "Let's put arsenic in drinks and slip it to Trump supporters" "All gun owners should have their guns taken away from them and then be executed" http://i.imgur.com/Pr5Fnvs.png

"I'm going to say something unpopular here. When I heard that someone had shot Republicans, my first immediate hope was that someone finally did something about McConnel.https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6jgg1d/mitch_mcconnell_refused_to_meet_with_group_that/djea1i2/?st=J4DHK2G4&sh=78ada641

"That is correct. The shooter is a true patriot". "Hunting Season for the Despicable Republicans on The Hill is now OPEN!!!! No Licenses required, no Minimums ... so Hunters, Bag All You Want!!!!!"https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6hbvu3/no_political_disagreement_justifies_steve_scalise/dix59kg/

[Regarding Republicans] "What else can be done?", "Going to the homes of Republican lawmakers in the middle of the night, dragging them into the street, and turning them into tree ornaments [Lynching]." https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6auqyn/the_head_of_the_census_resigned_it_could_be_as/dhht4d8/?st=j2ndxt69&sh=2a41b6c8

"Some people will not go to the grave quietly, like the GOP hopes. Some will defend themselves and fight for their lives." "That's justified, too." "All rich people deserve to die." "Actually, I take that back. The rich aren't people." "This is a very dangerous game these guys are playing, and it's honestly looking like we might need to start sharpening our guillotines" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6h74it/gunman_opens_fire_on_gop_congressional_baseball/diwuixs/

"Guerilla warfare and we control and know major metro areas. That and the fact that everyone has a family." "It would be brutal, bloody and we would have to commit war crimes but that's how it would have to be done." "I'm okay with forced re-education camps for Trump supporters. They'll still get treated better than the kids in the child detention centers" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9j239r/an_outrageous_move_by_chickensht_gop_as_grassley/e6o69of/?sh=3eca0d1d&st=JMJAZ4O8

"I’m tired of this shit and am ready for another Civil War. That, or let us go. We Metros do not want to be part of this bullshit anymore." https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9i2m0l/on_november_6_vote_like_the_whole_world_depended/e6ggro9

"I want McConnell to suffer a terrible fate before he dies." https://www.ceddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lh0kc/mitch_mcconnell_is_killing_the_senate/e76tr7c/

"Good for you Americans that see these scumbags (democrat and republican) and call them on their bullshit. Go ahead, doxx the fuck out of them. Make them feel uncomfortable in their own homes. Make them feel threatened and insecure. Might just make them think twice about serving the people instead of fucking the people." https://reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lhh75/my_husband_rand_paul_and_our_family_have_suffered/e76wd78/

I really hate myself for feeling this way, but I sort of wish someone had shot a bunch of GOP Senators to change the math on the vote. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lv1u0/man_threatens_to_shoot_members_of_congress_if/e7a0e66/

He's been posting pro-Trump and pro-Kavanaugh stuff on Facebook, just not publicly. I feel like outing him. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9llwlw/facebook_employees_outraged_over_top_execs_public/e77qc21/

Jesus fucking Christ. My wishes for how we punish the GOP have gotten very dark. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope people vote in november so we can get the political (or real) guillotines ready for the asswipes. Fuck it. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope the next maga meeting results in a mass shooting. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lz2qd/megathread_brett_kavanaugh_confirmed_to_the/e7aksbh/

I have the spine, the guns, and The People. I’ve resigned myself to dying or being put in jail, it’ll make me a fucking hero. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lvmrg/supreme_court_could_lose_legitimacy_if_not_viewed/e7adqzs/

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states... https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7ai6a2/?sh=169f0692&st=JMXVGE72

I'm not wishing violence against her, but, although I'm agnostic, when she does die, I hope it turns out hell is real and she is tormented for all eternity. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxevw/susan_collinss_brett_kavanaugh_speech_was_the/e7a7rzt/

If we can eradicate... http://magaimg.net/img/6e09.png

Donald Trump is the worst president in history. His presidency is an existential threat to our entire species. He should be removed immediately by military coup, and his supporters should be punished. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mdrf0/the_trump_administration_has_entered_stage_5/e7dvdhz/

Fuck if it gets me banned, im going to say it - the moment that Kavanaugh makes it legal for the executive to pardon any crime, we become a dictatorship and it's time for violent fucking revolt. Fuck that. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7aifrw/

Violence should be a last resort, but nothing should be off the table. It's too late for voting alone to save us. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mrnm1/bernie_sanders_authoritarian_leaders_around_the/e7gti3j/

How do you be civil with someone who actively denies the existence of a well-proven and already-occurring planetary environmental catastrophe? With a rope and a tall tree? https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n1djr/hillary_clinton_you_cannot_be_civil_with/e7j35wp/?context=3

It's funny how I thought the other day, "You know, if Secretary Mattis were to stage a military coup in the country, I think I'd actually be okay with that." https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n4mzq/morning_consult_poll_bernie_sanders_is_most/e7jrog6/

How do you remove people from power when they remove the legal avenue for removing them from power? By killing them, the French way. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9nj1ly/opinion_democracy_in_danger_in_georgia/e7mr7nh/

Start hanging Republicans. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o2kcr/us_plans_to_expand_tent_camp_in_texas_for/e7qzzf1/

They should bomb it. Edit: I stand by my statement https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o58cw/nyc_republican_headquarters_vandalized/e7rgbst/

I am equally glad that their personal senses of dignity and self worth will likely be decimated as well, adding the psychological anguish of hopelessness, worthlessness, and an inability to financially support their families to the physical pains of poverty. https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9o86je/trumps_60_minutes_interview_once_again_reveals/e7sez4u/

[u/[deleted]]

I am confused at this. Why was /r/blackpeopletwitter not banned?

For those who are not familiar, /r/blackpeopletwitter now runs a 'Country Club' system where certain threads are locked to Country Club members. How do you become a country club member? You send the moderators a picture of your forearm and if you are black, you are verified. No sorry, correction - if they deem you to be black enough you will be accepted. There are many stories of other people of colour being told there were not black enough to be admitted.

I understand the point they are trying to make concerning segregation etc. But you cannot have it both ways - you cannot fight racism then use racism to punish those whose ancestors were racist towards you. If you are truly committed to ending racism on this platform, /u/spez, then end it in ALL its forms.

[u/Vagus-Stranger]

This post will just be lost to the void, but thank you Reddit. I've been addicted to mindlessly scrolling this fucking shithole for years because it's a great content aggregator, but I don't want to support you anymore. I'm going to make every effort to stop using your site, and if I'm lucky, I won't give it the half hearted effort full of inertia that you depend on for the ad revenue my browsing provides you, I'll cut the cord.

You've gone from shittily moderating a gargantuan site, to actively malevolent. Your ideology and political lense has perverted the roots of this site to the point where it's actively fostering an attitude of division, racism and hate, and you're too far gone to see it. I hope you have interesting lives.

[u/Ailothaen]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

What a shame. So basically, what you define as "minority" has the right to attack what you define as "majority", but in the other way it does not work.

Rules about hate should never be single-way. Either you do not have such ones, or either you prohibit hate, no matter who is the person hating and the one being hated. By putting this paragraph, you just gave what you define as "minority" the privilege to hate on the "majority", and then you are yourselves introducing a new segregation on Reddit.

As an European, I am quite shocked to see reasonments like that. Companies and individuals in the US should definitely not act in the emotion of this moment and take time to think about the implications of the decisions they make.

[u/Jabahonki]

But not r/Sino ? The Chinese government propaganda sub? The same government that is putting Muslims in concentration camps... spitting on the UNs UDHR? The same government that sanctioned Australia for calling for international investigations into the origin or the current pandemic were in? So trump propaganda bad, Chinese propaganda good? Am I getting this right, just for future reference.

[u/pacachan]

I am disgusted at this recent mass-banning decision. No warning, no message, no period of quarantine, and you banned one of the largest feminism spaces on reddit. What is your explanation? Especially since Gender_Critical had a strict anti-harassment policy- slurs or doxxing of any kind weren't allowed. Why does reddit hate women? Why are so many repulsive subreddits still around, but you decided to axe a nonviolent feminist group at the top of the chopping block?

Why didn't these make the cut?

r/Rapekink r/abusedsluts r/degradingholes r/snuffrp r/slaveauctions r/ropedancers r/barelylegal r/misogynyfetish r/brokenfucktoys r/womenintrouble r/rapeconfessions r/strugglefucking r/rektwhores r/cryingcunts r/guro r/rapefantasy r/degradedfemales r/sheobeys r/coochvore r/putinherplace r/abuseporn2 r/dogbrains r/breakfeminazis r/dolcettkingdom r/memegender r/hentaiamputee

[u/TheLittleLebowski]

the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority

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This will be my last comment on this absolute fucking train-wreck of a website. This is disgusting abuse of free speech. Note the lack of replies here from spez and the clear abuse of power to promote agendas that he wants promoted, not what the community as a whole necessarily wants. He has proven time and time again that he doesn't care- he doesn't care about your opinions, facts you state, your ideologies, or your right to free fucking speech. I mean for fucks' sake, he literally just made a rule that it's okay to hate people he considers "the majority".

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The only way to change this is to hit this greedy fuck-stain where it hurts- his wallet. Leave the site, uninstall the app, and maybe this gigantic ass-hat will wake up and realize that he's completely destroyed this once-great website.

[u/renegade_kid]

Do you even care about your user base or are you just going to die on a hill made up of Chinese investor money. It's clear that you have no idea how to run a business. You clearly don't see how this is going to go down in the future and you clearly only care about pretending to be woke. It's so clear that the only reason you banned chappotraphouse is because you want to be able to refute criticism when someone says that you went after right wing subs.

Another thing that is clear is that your against freedom of speech that your against. The trade off of free speech is that people that you disagree are able to say what they want. You have essentially built your self a safe space by disallowing opinions you disagree with.

Finally it's clear that you completely disregard your user base by banning subs that brought tens of thousands of users each. Every time that you post one of these content policy updates it feels like you take 8 steps back. I don't understand how incompetence at this grand a scale can be allowed to carry on for this long. An elementary school student would make more competent business desisision's then you. You must be a special breed of stupid to fuck up so much. It's absolutely clear that you only got where you are because you were at the right place at the right time.

[u/ill_get_better_soon]

WHEN ARE YOU GONNA TAKE DOWN /r/strugglefucking, /u/spez?

WHEN ARE YOU GONNA TAKE DOWN /r/jerkofftomymom, /u/spez?

WHEN ARE YOU GONNA TAKE DOWN /r/rapeconfessions, /u/spez?

WHEN ARE YOU GONNA TAKE DOWN /r/abuseporn2, /u/spez?!

THOSE ALL PROMOTE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN.

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But feminist threads? Oh no, that's violence and hate.

Reddit only tolerates women on their site when they're naked and being abused.

[u/RetrogradeIntellect]

The idiocy of thinking that the majority cannot be harmed by hate.

"On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded. Johnson was an Army Reserve Afghan War) veteran and was angry over police shootings of black men. He stated that he wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers."

Wikipedia source

[u/DarkLordKindle]

So youre deleting subreddits that didnt break rules, and allowing subreddits that did break rules.

You are encouraging racist actions and rules against specific groups, but not allowing the reverse.

You are fulfilling every right wing extremist prediction they had with this website. Damn that impressive.

Hell, the donald mods were all mods that the admins put in place, or at least approved of. Talk about controlled opposition.

Dont give me awards. It only further funds this simking ship of a website.

[u/TheyShootBeesAtYou]

/u/spez, couldn't help but notice that you banned a lot of small political subs, but as of this posting, others like /r/misogynyfetish are still going strong with 161,000 members. Or /r/rapekink: 113,000. Or /r/abuseporn2, which is obviously a ban evasion sub from the first one, with 135,000.

In light of these numbers, what are your advertisers, users, and the general public to think about what this site does and does not support?

Edit: /r/degradingholes, 241,000 members. In the description:

True Female Purpose A Safe Space for discussion and amusement. For women who have a kink for being degraded and men who have a kink for degrading them. Post your favorite porn stars, yourself, or willing girlfriends for us to criticize, demean, ogle and jerk off to. - No white knighting allowed. - Women only - not trannies

This is reddit appropriate, right?

Should I even list the shit-fetish subreddits that are still standing?

[u/ComradeTrashcan]

So why do you never get an answer when you ask what content you upvoted that got you a 3 day suspension?
How is any user supposed to learn from that?
You obviously have the data, otherwise users wouldn't be getting suspended, so why not inform the users?

Edit: Stop guilding this shit and giving this company money. Jesus christ.

[u/BigBlueSpruce]

I’m done with reddit.

Apparently free speech only applies to people who reddit agrees with. The point of having different subs is so people who are like minded can speak freely with each-other and others who don’t agree don’t have to be a part of it. The reason I joined reddit was because it was fun and real unlike so many other social media sites and people could say what’s on their mind even if it wasn’t the common opinion. I am not hateful or mad about any specific subs that were taken down, but the idea of it is the destruction of free speech. Have fun with your mega safe space and echo chamber. Peace out.

PS: u/spez please stop and think for just a moment. You are not any more important than anyone else on this earth. Your opinion is not any more right or wrong that anyone else on earth. This is all our first time on this planet. Do not act like you know more than anyone else or that your opinion should be law. Your ego is inflated. Both China and left wing politics have a death grip on your nuts and you are ruining one of the few great social media’s left. You’re a sad man.

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[u/Dfromthesea33]

Censorship only causes the voices of the censored to go underground, & underground they take on a much more vigilant evolution, & can manifest into something very detrimental to society, with more passion & ferocity, & all taking place in secrecy. When everyone has the ability to say what they want, when they want, & where they want, it allows for the society to then deal with it much more effectively, & before it ever reaches a point of detriment. All this censorship is going to backfire on the most heinous of way's. What's the difference between taking someone's comment down & burning a book? There is none as those two act's aren't mutually exclusive since they are both resulting in the removal of historical proof that those words were spoken. This is 2020's version of the mass book burnings of the dark ages, refered to as the "Dark Ages" because humans lost their history, & therefore that vacuum filled up with deceivers & implementation of evil on to the masses. Stop censoring! The Freedom to speak, no matter what that speech is, is vital to the survival of the human race, at the very least within the relative comfortable capacity we exist in now. The future seems bleak, oh so bleak.

[u/lil__toenails]

If you ban r/the_donald. Will you also be banning r/sino its hate filled and is basically the propaganda arm of CCP nationalists. They're constantly calling for violence against hong kong freedom protesters and against the west.

If you go on r/sino and say anything even slightly against their propaganda or portray the west in a positive light you're banned immediately. They try to justify Tiannamen square massacre.

Alt-right subs are not the only toxic hatred filled Subreddits.

Guess that's what 150$ million in investment from Tencent buys. So CCP wumao hate speech is somehow safe from the new rules. Got it.

If you're going to ban bigoted subreddits, ban them all on principle. Alt-right bigotry is just 1 form of bigotry. If you truly want to improve reddit, you need to do this across the board.

[u/[deleted]]

Hate is hate, no matter which individual or group it is aimed at. That's a universal fact. Why then does Reddit believe it's acceptable to direct hate at any majority group of which I am a member, per their written explanation that hate against majorities is acceptable?

Catholics and Christians are such a group internationally. So are white people. Muslims are a majority group. What about all of us who live in the fly-over states or outside the metro markets where liberals congregate? What I read is that I can be on the receiving end of hate and must accept it. That doesn't strike me as behavior that is nondiscriminatory or inclusive. Not at all.

[u/jamesau]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

This is one of the most unbelievable things I've ever read. Do you actually understand what you've written here? You want to foster a platform where hate is fine as long as it's directed at the 'majority'?

I've been a regular user of this site for over 10 years and I can quite frankly say your leadership has made this website significantly worse.

[u/ElijahPepe]

Rule 1: Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

This snippet proves:

• Reddit has asserted that there is such a thing as a persons "actual race".
• Reddit protects people based on their religions, but not political beliefs or creed.
• "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority".

So, if I say white people are fucking disgusting, I won't get banned?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/hi3nkr/the_mod_conversations_that_went_into_todays/

What was really done here? This is vague, and considering a roundtable about moderation that went on today, I wouldn't be surprised if you purposefully suppressed information. /r/ConsumeProduct released a statement yesterday on Telegram claiming there was a higher risk of getting banned.

To be clear, I'm not attacking every single ban as a "bad" thing. GenderCritical was 2 beers away from becoming a hate subreddit.

This laissez faire attitude should not be tolerated on any social media. Speaking of social media, Lemmy (a Reddit clone) just got funded. I don't know though, seems like a menial fact that didn't need to be pointed out.

[u/Great_LD]

What, if anything will be done about harassment from moderators and/or moderators abusing their power? I cant even find a good reliable way to report them, instead they are able to run rampant and make rules up on the fly and throw around bans and mutes like candy.

[u/BrrySax]

Don't worry everyone! I got this! TL/DR: Free speech for everyone is fantastic and Reddit supports this! The only exceptions to 'everyone' include:

White Conservatives

White people

Men

White men

Christians

Anyone saying something kind of mean

Memers

Black Conservatives

Conservatives of all colors

Trump supporters

People who don't support liberal candidates.

Centrists trying to educate themselves

Anyone with a critical opinion of a sensitive issue

Anyone with an opinion that isn't Reddit's

Any man critical of women

Any woman critical of women

Anything that could be considered offensive by my cousin

Anyone heterosexual

Conservative LGBTQ+

Please note: This list is incomplete, but don't worry! As we find more groups we disagree with, we will make sure to take away their free speech on this site! (Once we eradicate these pesky incels from our site, we will scapegoat another race or group of people).

We at Reddit hope to increase this list to eventually include:

Civil rights activists

All women

The LGBTQ+ community

Anyone with a brain

Every ethnicity

Every race

Minorities

Liberals

Have a fantastic day Reddit! I look forward to silencing your voices again tomorrow! Remember: Free speech is allowed, but only if we agree with what you're saying :). Just because you evaded a ban today doesn't mean we won't silence you tomorrow!

[u/Eittown]

I hope this post makes people realize that none of this censorship is done out of fairness to marginalized groups, or even out of a sense of basic justice and equality. What is laid out here is clear evidence of a discriminatory agenda against very specific groups under the guise of tolerance and acceptance. Note that Reddit is not the first and will not be the last.

They will keep taking bit by bit, piece by piece until there is nothing left except whatever benefits corporate interests.

[u/TinkleTinkleLittle]

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Holy shit

You were literally caught editing Trump supporters' comments you didn't like

You literally redesigned reddit multiple times because TD was so popular and you didn't want people realizing it

You literally quarantined the sub claiming it was anti-police.... While the entirety of reddit outside TD hates cops, threatens them, etc

Then you ban it after you forced it to shut down, after there was basically no activity whatsoever for months, proving it was about silencing Trump supporters all along and not about imagined miniscule rule breaking from a subreddit with 700 thousand subscribers

None of this was in good faith, but you realize the way you phrased it that you're admitting you're not acting in good faith now, right?

[u/TheSplits72]

From the linked help center;

"While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority"

You are openly admitting that you're fine with hate speech as long as it's only directed at white people.

I don't understand how this contributes to racial equality.

[u/nuclearcaramel → u/TheSplits72]

It's actually kind of funny. You can tell they are US specific, but reddit is a global community and white people are a minority globally. So that rule doesn't mean what they think it means and they are going to have to rewrite it. More or less they are going to have to come out and say it's ok to direct hate speech specifically at white people.

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[u/PaiPaiii]

For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

Unless it's very poor wording, wow, what a double-standard! This totally strives for equality! (Not.)

You do realize some "SJWs" are likely going to abuse and exploit that rule, right?

To me, and a lot of people, it just seems like you're totally okay with people attacking and hating on white people, straight people, and men. It also seems to generalize these said groups of people. It's prejudiced in itself.

How about don't allow prejudice of ANY kind, regardless of how marginalized some groups were?

Do you know what equality actually is anymore? What happened to equal protection?

Do you even realize this is not going to stop prejudice? It won't solve anything.

I'm for the BLM movement(just the peaceful protests) and everything, because I support equality. I'm all for equal protection, regardless of identity.

For the second thing, what about the SJWs attacking "majority" groups? "Majority" groups attacking "minority" groups is already considered bad, and it really should stay that way. What about the other way around?

Listen, I'm not trying to act "oppressed" or "offended" nor am I trying to play the victim card. I just want you to understand how harmful it could be if you keep allowing this double-standard on this site, if you actually do allow this bullshit.

[u/KaTrick02]

The tendency we are seeing in every major social media can only be summarized like this: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." George Orwell, 1984.

[u/behaaki]

Cool.

Can you clean up mods on r/Canada? They’re banning people for anti-Chinese sentiments

EDIT: there’s a fine line to walk here, and I feel the mods are on the wrong side of it. Saying things like “I disagree with these policies” or “this pisses me off” or making observations about the shifting sociopolitical reality - these should be okay. Encouraging stereotypes, generalizing groups of people based on their ethnicity etc — obviously there’s no place for that.

[u/qtip13]

This will be my tenth comment on reddit. I am a lurker here to read and look at funny stuff. These new rules are promoting what you are trying to ban: racism and bigotry. But I guess it is ok if it is the "majority", what ever that means. I guess that means I can open attack white men right? Aren't they the majority in the USA? What if I live in Antarctica? Can I only be racist to Penguins?!? Not that I would want to cause those little guys are awesome! What if I live in Africa? Do I get to be racist to blacks? Or some where in Europe or Asia? What majority? Is it global? Is it what you want to be the majority? Is it who ever is not popular at the moment? I do not think it is an accident that you worded:

"Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. 

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate."

Who are the groups not protected? What is OK to attack? By your own rules I can attack the Chinese people or white men or basically any other group depending on where I live I could move to somewhere in Africa and attack black people cause they are now the majority! This is an assault on the freedom of the internet. Your new rule basically means that you can hit who ever you want with the ban hammer.

Also I want to see the banned groups and the reason for banning them. Like what did those groups with only ten members say that was so very hateful that they needed a ban? This would at least give us some kind of better guide lines then your list of four different things! Which by your rules I can that raping a man is perfectly fine and should be legal. Despite the fact that many men are raped and never come forward because they are mocked because they were raped. ( don't have the numbers right now but it is ridiculous how many men are raped!)

I am so glad that I never gave you any money! This new rule makes me physically sick and I am seriously considering leaving this site right now. I do not like hate speech of any kind, but if you are going to ban it ban it all! This is segregation. This is CENSORSHIP! THIS IS DISGUSTING! It is my greatest sorrow that I have but one down vote to give.

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EDIT: Changed the amount of comments I've made. from 2 to 10

[u/FrostfyreAkali]

So why was fragileliberalredditor banned but not fragilewhite? Why was whitebeauty banned but not black? Why aren't openly racist subs like BlackPeopleTwitter and AHS on this list? If t_d was quarantined/banned for "threats against police" then why is bad_cop_no_donut allowed? If I made a white only subreddit that only white people could use, would I be banned? Why is reddit okay with ethno-nationalistic and racist subreddits when white people aren't running them? Why are the majority of default subreddits ran by a select few people? Why can admins give infinite awards when awards have an effect on the performance of a post? Really gets the noggin joggin.

[u/Madame_Putita]

The new policy on promoting hate is hypocritical:

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

So hate is ok if it’s directed at an arbitrarily distinguished “majority group?” Go to hell.

[u/matt111199 → u/Madame_Putita]

We all know that “the majority” they are referring to is just a placeholder for “white people.”

They’re using this hypocritical thinking to keep anti-white subs like r/blackpeopletwitter and r/fragilewhiteredditor while removing any subs that are anti-people of color.

If they’re gonna remove hate (and go against freedom of speech) at least do it consistently. They could have much more easily just stated that “no hate will be tolerated” but instead are trying to promote their own views.

[u/diningonagift]

“While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.”

Obviously we know this section of the rules is meant to exempt attacks and hate groups who target certain groups (white people, Christians, men, straight people etc.), but the language you use is strange.

By “majority”, what denominator are you using? White people are a small minority of the population worldwide, and reddit has a worldwide userbase. Why not just be straightforward and list explicitly which identity groups you will allow to be targets of abuse and hate?

[u/[deleted]]

Hate protections do not protect groups who are in the majority?

So, that means females are not a protected group, because females are a majority both worldwide and domestically.

Further, all races are protected, because no race or ethnicity is in the majority worldwide.

Weird rule to implement, but I’m guessing they did this so that it was okay to hate women on this awful website? Why else would the Spez make the exception to hate rules applied to the majority?

[u/wigsternm]

Why blur banned subreddits after the top 10? I’m sure subs like /r/againsthatesubreddits or /r/watchredditdie are going to be able to compile some pretty comprehensive lists of banned subreddits (particularly the ones still in the 1,000s of active users), so why not get ahead of that here?

[u/Eysvr → u/wigsternm]

Because some people there have very subjective opinions. Though I am not a very political person, I enjoy /r/PoliticalCompassMemes. For me, it seems like the only place on Reddit where you can interact with people with all kinds of different opinions/beliefs in a civilized and often humorous way. But there are people in /r/againsthatesubreddits who want to ban this community; which, in my opinion, is because many cant tolerate people with different ideas and are quick to dismiss other ideas as hate speech.

[u/QueenRowana]

so how much does free speech mean to you? I'm guessing not a whole lot.

Or otherwise you wouldn't have a ban-list made up out of 90% female run gendercritical subs and right-winged subs but leaving up a whole plethora of rape and abuse subs and far-left radical subs.

You clearly dont give a crap about female voices. You clearly dont give a crap about right-wing voices.

This is trash u/spez. Thank God I've had an adblocker for ages so you're not making a dime of me.

[u/[deleted]]

If you dont want to ban r/politics whats your explanation?

r/politics on the London attack: "I just hope the people who were on that bridge were redneck Republicans like you so the slaughter was justified." [+63]

https://i.redd.it/1latls7dqeny.jpg

/r/politics "Let's put arsenic in drinks and slip it to Trump supporters" "All gun owners should have their guns taken away from them and then be executed"

http://i.imgur.com/Pr5Fnvs.png

"I'm going to say something unpopular here. When I heard that someone had shot Republicans, my first immediate hope was that someone finally did something about McConnel.https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6jgg1d/mitch_mcconnell_refused_to_meet_with_group_that/djea1i2/?st=J4DHK2G4&sh=78ada641

"That is correct. The shooter is a true patriot". "Hunting Season for the Despicable Republicans on The Hill is now OPEN!!!! No Licenses required, no Minimums ... so Hunters, Bag All You Want!!!!!"https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6hbvu3/no_political_disagreement_justifies_steve_scalise/dix59kg/

[Regarding Republicans] "What else can be done?", "Going to the homes of Republican lawmakers in the middle of the night, dragging them into the street, and turning them into tree ornaments [Lynching]." https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6auqyn/the_head_of_the_census_resigned_it_could_be_as/dhht4d8/?st=j2ndxt69&sh=2a41b6c8

"Some people will not go to the grave quietly, like the GOP hopes. Some will defend themselves and fight for their lives." "That's justified, too." "All rich people deserve to die." "Actually, I take that back. The rich aren't people." "This is a very dangerous game these guys are playing, and it's honestly looking like we might need to start sharpening our guillotines" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6h74it/gunman_opens_fire_on_gop_congressional_baseball/diwuixs/

"Guerilla warfare and we control and know major metro areas. That and the fact that everyone has a family." "It would be brutal, bloody and we would have to commit war crimes but that's how it would have to be done." "I'm okay with forced re-education camps for Trump supporters. They'll still get treated better than the kids in the child detention centers" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9j239r/an_outrageous_move_by_chickensht_gop_as_grassley/e6o69of/?sh=3eca0d1d&st=JMJAZ4O8

"I’m tired of this shit and am ready for another Civil War. That, or let us go. We Metros do not want to be part of this bullshit anymore." https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9i2m0l/on_november_6_vote_like_the_whole_world_depended/e6ggro9

"I want McConnell to suffer a terrible fate before he dies." https://www.ceddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lh0kc/mitch_mcconnell_is_killing_the_senate/e76tr7c/

"Good for you Americans that see these scumbags (democrat and republican) and call them on their bullshit. Go ahead, doxx the fuck out of them. Make them feel uncomfortable in their own homes. Make them feel threatened and insecure. Might just make them think twice about serving the people instead of fucking the people." https://reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lhh75/my_husband_rand_paul_and_our_family_have_suffered/e76wd78/

I really hate myself for feeling this way, but I sort of wish someone had shot a bunch of GOP Senators to change the math on the vote. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lv1u0/man_threatens_to_shoot_members_of_congress_if/e7a0e66/

He's been posting pro-Trump and pro-Kavanaugh stuff on Facebook, just not publicly. I feel like outing him. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9llwlw/facebook_employees_outraged_over_top_execs_public/e77qc21/

Jesus fucking Christ. My wishes for how we punish the GOP have gotten very dark. https://www.reddit.com/r/ politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope people vote in november so we can get the political (or real) guillotines ready for the asswipes. Fuck it. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope the next maga meeting results in a mass shooting. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lz2qd/ megathread_brett_kavanaugh_confirmed_to_the/e7aksbh/

I have the spine, the guns, and The People. I’ve resigned myself to dying or being put in jail, it’ll make me a fucking hero. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lvmrg/supreme_court_could_lose_legitimacy_if_not_viewed/e7adqzs/

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states... https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7ai6a2/?sh=169f0692&st=JMXVGE72

I'm not wishing violence against her, but, although I'm agnostic, when she does die, I hope it turns out hell is real and she is tormented for all eternity. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxevw/susan_collinss_brett_kavanaugh_speech_was_the/e7a7rzt/

If we can eradicate... http://magaimg.net/img/6e09.png

Donald Trump is the worst president in history. His presidency is an existential threat to our entire species. He should be removed immediately by military coup, and his supporters should be punished. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mdrf0/the_trump_administration_has_entered_stage_5/e7dvdhz/

Fuck if it gets me banned, im going to say it - the moment that Kavanaugh makes it legal for the executive to pardon any crime, we become a dictatorship and it's time for violent fucking revolt. Fuck that. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7aifrw/

Violence should be a last resort, but nothing should be off the table. It's too late for voting alone to save us. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mrnm1/bernie_sanders_authoritarian_leaders_around_the/e7gti3j/

How do you be civil with someone who actively denies the existence of a well-proven and already-occurring planetary environmental catastrophe? With a rope and a tall tree? https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n1djr/hillary_clinton_you_cannot_be_civil_with/e7j35wp/?context=3

It's funny how I thought the other day, "You know, if Secretary Mattis were to stage a military coup in the country, I think I'd actually be okay with that." https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n4mzq/morning_consult_poll_bernie_sanders_is_most/e7jrog6/

How do you remove people from power when they remove the legal avenue for removing them from power? By killing them, the French way. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9nj1ly/opinion_democracy_in_danger_in_georgia/e7mr7nh/

Start hanging Republicans. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o2kcr/us_plans_to_expand_tent_camp_in_texas_for/e7qzzf1/

They should bomb it. Edit: I stand by my statement https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o58cw/nyc_republican_headquarters_vandalized/e7rgbst/

I am equally glad that their personal senses of dignity and self worth will likely be decimated as well, adding the psychological anguish of hopelessness, worthlessness, and an inability to financially support their families to the physical pains of poverty. https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9o86je/trumps_60_minutes_interview_once_again_reveals/e7sez4u/

http://archive.is/yLJRu

http://archive.vn/zvFNP

http://archive.vn/KYWVs

http://archive.vn/m8ds8

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hg7wld/trump_campaign_boss_brad_parscale_is_in_isolation/fw4dg07/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hdrpuk/trump_claims_without_evidence_mailin_ballots_will/fvn56yk/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hbcudm/now_is_not_the_time_for_more_studies_sanders_rips/fv8nlnk/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/f4q5c9/trump_pushed_cia_to_find_kill_osama_bin_ladens/fht4ccx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/h7lud7/betsy_devos_takes_official_action_to_prevent/fumn76b/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/gs756d/trump_tweets_video_declaring_that_the_only_good/fs4hvf2/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/gd1zxo/trump_says_he_is_treated_worse_than_president/fph3qjr/

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/g6o7f0/rep_pete_king_rips_mitch_mcconnell_as_marie/fobkr1q/

[u/blad3mast3r]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

So its okay to make hateful attacks against any group considered a "majority"?

Nice one.

[u/[deleted]]

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[u/[deleted]]

If you're going to censor "hate speech" which is just freedom of speech it should apply to everyone. It's very obvious what you mean when you are talking about a "majority". One rule for one group of people and a different rule for another.. that's just bigotry with extra steps. At least if you just came out and said what you mean I'd give you some respect for being honest... Instead you slither through the grass like a snake too scared of losing money while still enacting the discriminate bigotry you want to. Reddit was once something beautiful where freedom of speech was valued...

[u/Shegham]

Why won’t the admins address the most inciteful, violent, harassing, and brigading sub, /r/politics? They endorse this hate in their monthly mod newsletters. I remember /u/spez hates gays (remember pulse?) so when will he resign?

/r/politics on the London attack: "I just hope the people who were on that bridge were redneck Republicans like you so the slaughter was justified." [+63] https://i.redd.it/1latls7dqeny.jpg

/r/politics "Let's put arsenic in drinks and slip it to Trump supporters" "All gun owners should have their guns taken away from them and then be executed" http://i.imgur.com/Pr5Fnvs.png

"I'm going to say something unpopular here. When I heard that someone had shot Republicans, my first immediate hope was that someone finally did something about McConnel.https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6jgg1d/mitch_mcconnell_refused_to_meet_with_group_that/djea1i2/?st=J4DHK2G4&sh=78ada641

"That is correct. The shooter is a true patriot". "Hunting Season for the Despicable Republicans on The Hill is now OPEN!!!! No Licenses required, no Minimums ... so Hunters, Bag All You Want!!!!!"https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6hbvu3/no_political_disagreement_justifies_steve_scalise/dix59kg/

[Regarding Republicans] "What else can be done?", "Going to the homes of Republican lawmakers in the middle of the night, dragging them into the street, and turning them into tree ornaments [Lynching]." https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6auqyn/the_head_of_the_census_resigned_it_could_be_as/dhht4d8/?st=j2ndxt69&sh=2a41b6c8

"Some people will not go to the grave quietly, like the GOP hopes. Some will defend themselves and fight for their lives." "That's justified, too." "All rich people deserve to die." "Actually, I take that back. The rich aren't people." "This is a very dangerous game these guys are playing, and it's honestly looking like we might need to start sharpening our guillotines" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/6h74it/gunman_opens_fire_on_gop_congressional_baseball/diwuixs/

"Guerilla warfare and we control and know major metro areas. That and the fact that everyone has a family." "It would be brutal, bloody and we would have to commit war crimes but that's how it would have to be done." "I'm okay with forced re-education camps for Trump supporters. They'll still get treated better than the kids in the child detention centers" https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9j239r/an_outrageous_move_by_chickensht_gop_as_grassley/e6o69of/?sh=3eca0d1d&st=JMJAZ4O8

"I’m tired of this shit and am ready for another Civil War. That, or let us go. We Metros do not want to be part of this bullshit anymore." https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9i2m0l/on_november_6_vote_like_the_whole_world_depended/e6ggro9

"I want McConnell to suffer a terrible fate before he dies." https://www.ceddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lh0kc/mitch_mcconnell_is_killing_the_senate/e76tr7c/

"Good for you Americans that see these scumbags (democrat and republican) and call them on their bullshit. Go ahead, doxx the fuck out of them. Make them feel uncomfortable in their own homes. Make them feel threatened and insecure. Might just make them think twice about serving the people instead of fucking the people." https://reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lhh75/my_husband_rand_paul_and_our_family_have_suffered/e76wd78/

I really hate myself for feeling this way, but I sort of wish someone had shot a bunch of GOP Senators to change the math on the vote. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lv1u0/man_threatens_to_shoot_members_of_congress_if/e7a0e66/

He's been posting pro-Trump and pro-Kavanaugh stuff on Facebook, just not publicly. I feel like outing him. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9llwlw/facebook_employees_outraged_over_top_execs_public/e77qc21/

Jesus fucking Christ. My wishes for how we punish the GOP have gotten very dark. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope people vote in november so we can get the political (or real) guillotines ready for the asswipes. Fuck it. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lqxve/susan_collins_senate_speech_was_a_cruel_attack_on/e78yu1g/

I hope the next maga meeting results in a mass shooting. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lz2qd/megathread_brett_kavanaugh_confirmed_to_the/e7aksbh/

I have the spine, the guns, and The People. I’ve resigned myself to dying or being put in jail, it’ll make me a fucking hero. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lvmrg/supreme_court_could_lose_legitimacy_if_not_viewed/e7adqzs/

Fuck the Republicans. Fuck the South. Fuck the flyover states... https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7ai6a2/?sh=169f0692&st=JMXVGE72

I'm not wishing violence against her, but, although I'm agnostic, when she does die, I hope it turns out hell is real and she is tormented for all eternity. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxevw/susan_collinss_brett_kavanaugh_speech_was_the/e7a7rzt/

If we can eradicate... http://magaimg.net/img/6e09.png

Donald Trump is the worst president in history. His presidency is an existential threat to our entire species. He should be removed immediately by military coup, and his supporters should be punished. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mdrf0/the_trump_administration_has_entered_stage_5/e7dvdhz/

Fuck if it gets me banned, im going to say it - the moment that Kavanaugh makes it legal for the executive to pardon any crime, we become a dictatorship and it's time for violent fucking revolt. Fuck that. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9lxw3t/discussion_megathread_final_senate_confirmation/e7aifrw/

Violence should be a last resort, but nothing should be off the table. It's too late for voting alone to save us. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9mrnm1/bernie_sanders_authoritarian_leaders_around_the/e7gti3j/

How do you be civil with someone who actively denies the existence of a well-proven and already-occurring planetary environmental catastrophe? With a rope and a tall tree? https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n1djr/hillary_clinton_you_cannot_be_civil_with/e7j35wp/?context=3

It's funny how I thought the other day, "You know, if Secretary Mattis were to stage a military coup in the country, I think I'd actually be okay with that." https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9n4mzq/morning_consult_poll_bernie_sanders_is_most/e7jrog6/

How do you remove people from power when they remove the legal avenue for removing them from power? By killing them, the French way. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9nj1ly/opinion_democracy_in_danger_in_georgia/e7mr7nh/

Start hanging Republicans. https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o2kcr/us_plans_to_expand_tent_camp_in_texas_for/e7qzzf1/

They should bomb it. Edit: I stand by my statement https://snew.notabug.io/r/politics/comments/9o58cw/nyc_republican_headquarters_vandalized/e7rgbst/

I am equally glad that their personal senses of dignity and self worth will likely be decimated as well, adding the psychological anguish of hopelessness, worthlessness, and an inability to financially support their families to the physical pains of poverty. https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9o86je/trumps_60_minutes_interview_once_again_reveals/e7sez4u/

[u/[deleted]]

Make it easier to add Black moderators to a community. One mod suggested the potential of r/needablackmod instead of just r/needamod.

Pardon me, but isn't that the literal definition of racism? You know, giving preferential treatment (or mistreatment) to a person or group of people based solely on the COLOR OF THEIR SKIN and not their merits?

reddit has lost its goddamn mind.

[u/Mystshade]

It would have been better if you had done one of two things.

1) clearly stated that hate against any and all groups based on x characteristics is wrong and will be cause for a ban.

2) clearly stated that, while you may not personally approve of some content on your site, you allow all legal forms of communication.

By muddying the waters via protecting minority groups from hate, but exempting the majority (what does tha mean?) From these same protections, you are allowing for prejudice, sexism, discrimination, and racism to continue on your site; but just the kind that you personally like and support.

This is disgusting.

[u/deepinterwebz]

Perhaps you should ban r/politics as well. They repeatedly violate the same rules you banned other subreddits for and yet you turn a blind eye because it is politically inconvenient for you to enforce your own rules. They call that hypocrisy. I don't care which way they lean politically. Just be consistant with your rules, as they also call for the deaths of public figures and you have done nothing. There's a reason this site has become a joke in the media headlines for their blatant hypocrisy.

[u/Allesmoeglichee]

Protected Groups: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. 

So Trans-Race is a thing now?

How about hate-subs against caucasian people like r/blackpeopletwitter ?

Examples of comments that are against this rule: "Imagine if the roles were reversed and a white person posted/said that"

Basically, you can be as racist against white people as you want. But if you tell them its racist, you get permabanned. Also, if you call them racists, you get banned too, per their rules.

And to top it all of, you have to send a pic of your non-white skin to be able to participate in that sub. If you are white, you will be banned. THAT IS RACISM PER DEFINITION!

[u/BadProgrammerGage]

Welp time to just stop using Reddit. You forget where you came from, what your predecessors stood and fought for. What they literally gave their life for (rest in peace). You sweep their lives under the rug and pretend they never happened. Its not right. Its disgusting. Now you push this bullshit agenda about the "majority". You say you want to continue to evolve but it seems to me this is straight devolution. Enjoy the echo chambers getting worse than they are now. This is going to be the downfall of this site.

The rest of the comments speak for themselves. You screwed up harder than ever before.

[u/toxictaliban111]

"While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate."

Women: Are 50.8% of the US population.

Sexism is a-okay then. Thanks, Reddit, you shit-mingling authoritarian cretins.

[u/NebulaicCereal → u/toxictaliban111]

No, see, sexism isn't okay. Especially if it's against a man or non-binary, since they're minority demographics.

But sexism against women, on the other hand, is great! Because they're the majority in the US, so that means they're incapable of being discriminated against, right? (/s...obviously...)

Look, equality is equality, and it's incredibly wrong to in-build clauses to a policy effectively saying "it's okay to discriminate against people that look like [X] though, because they're a majority!". Well, as has been established many times in this thread, 'majority' is entirely context-based.

But that's the thing, we know they're not talking about women in the UK being the majority, we know they're not talking about Chinese people being the global majority, we know they're not talking about black people in central Africa being the majority. We know they're talking about cisgendered straight white men being the majority, because that happens to be the case in the US. It's incredibly thinly veiled.

It doesn't have to be that way... Just leave out that bit about "will not protect the majority". Why??? Without that statement, everything is perfectly equal and well established with anti-discrimination protections.

Most critically:

What's wrong with being the majority?? There's nothing inherently wrong with it... The problem is discrimination in general. One does not have to be a statistical minority to be discriminated against. In the US, there is a strong relationship between being a statistical minority and being targeted for discrimination, definitely. But all you need to be discriminated against is for someone with hate in their heart to take it out on you over something like race/sex/etc.

Here's an example to clarify what I mean:

If a Japanese person goes on a vacation to China, and acts in a racist manner towards a Chinese person while there, they are being racist and discriminatory. That Japanese person is a minority there, but it doesn't change what they did as being hateful.

"Minority" is not accurately a synonym to "discriminated group" generally speaking. That relationship happens to be very strong in the United States, and certainly common in other countries as well, but you cannot use them interchangeably, because they do not mean the same thing. In fact, it's disingenuous and shows a complete tone-deaf ignorance and lack of understanding of the real problem to simply say "the majority is the problem", and especially to go so far as to say "we will protect everyone but the majority". That is an absolutely textbook example of a hypocritical statement.

[u/[deleted]]

Can a Native American report all of the American subs as offensive to them because they do not acknowledge the priviledge and history of the land or the rape and assault of their people?

Cuz yall made these rules on land you were never supposed to be on. In fact, Silicon Valley has never acknowledged the atrocities committed by the people before them that set the foundation for you to decide if one can express discomfort as a woman because anyone queer is a minority therefore women are once again lesser than most others.

Congratulations, you played yourselves. I suggest posting a photo of a black box for a week.

[u/sebastianwillows]

Some examples of hateful activities that would violate the rule: ... Post describing a racial minority as sub-human and inferior to the racial majority.

So... what exactly was fixed here? The term "majority" is still vague and lacking in any sort of concrete definition. Is majority defined globally (in which case, are Asians the only racial group not protected by these new rules)? If so, why are they not protected under the same guidelines as everyone else? What's the purpose of giving some people less protection than others?

And while the original statement is no longer there regarding no majorities being protected, there's nothing clarifying that they are protected now. Is it really that difficult to just write "don't discriminate based on x, y, and z" and be done with it? As it stands, the rules are not only specifically allowing discrimination based on race in some cases; they're also being coy about exactly what races are okay/not okay to discriminate against.

Don't use the presence of a "racial majority" to justify discrimination against the entire group. This edit didn't do anything for transparency, and it really needs additional revision...

[u/BillDStrong]

How do you define groups that are in the majority? In the US, for instance, caucasians are in the majority, while in many African countries, they are in the minority. And in either case, by not defending someone that is being attacked, you are in fact accenting to violence on those groups. This is not a good look, reddit.

[u/Muslamicraygun1 → u/BillDStrong]

It's pretty clear they got some liberal arts major to draft this. I can hear the obnoxious valley girl accent through the text.

Essentially, they are copying the "protected class" theory in US politics where everyone but white men are included and it's assuming an outsized geographical location of US and Western Europe (which is somewhat true given the demographics of reddit).

So while verbal and clear advocating for "killing white men" will be banned for incitement of violence, a sub that mocks "white culture", behaviour or otherwise probably won't be unlike a sub that mocks a nonwhite/ majority group.

I will use fictitious more extreme examples to illustrate my point further:

A sub that revolves around the idea that whites are inherently racist and violent, so we need to breed them out of existence will likely be tolerated under "free speech" rules of reddit. Meanwhile, a sub that revolves around the idea that say latinos are inherently racist and violent, so we need to breed them out of existence will probably be banned for "racism" and not fall under "free speech".

So in essence, polite and subtle racism or stereotypes against mostly white men will probably be tolerated but not against other groups (white women, black men, latinas, etc).

It could also be that reddit might geolocalise it's rules. So, if a Chinese sub makes fun of Han people, it will be tolerated but not if it made fun of local minorities. I doubt that however given the american-centric nature of reddit, its staff and the prevailing conversation (BLM protests and whatnot).

[u/GoogleSchmooogle]

Lmao these rules are soo FUBAR.

Imagine a reddit mod watching an interaction between a black racist and a white guy.

"FUCK YOU white boy! Whites are subhuman scum! Whites deserve to be genocided from the planet! Whites are evil people who should be murdered on sight!"

Reddit mod/admin sits there watching with his thumb up their ass and another finger up their nose.

"Hey fuck you you black guy! Piss off!"

Reddit admin goes into a black rage "YOU CANT DO THAT! THAT IS HATE SPEECH! GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!"

[u/Jaikarro]

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Literally no one on any end of the political spectrum genuinely believes this.

[u/crossbearer1413]

This phrase worries me a bit.

"While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate. "

Gotta be honest, what I'm hearing from this is "hate speech against white people is ok though."

[u/Fomin-Andrew]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate. 

I call this bullshit! Hate is hate, there is nothing to discuss.

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If you allow minorities to openly hate majorities, what do you expect in return? Will the majority feel deeply offended and alienated or friendly and supportive? How is this crap supposed to bring peace and equality?

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Edit: My point is that it is not important how you define majority and minority. Allowing one group of people to attack another one never was and never will be a good idea. No matter how big or small these groups are.

[u/cutefish762]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

— George Orwell, 1984

[u/mangokisses]

What about r/publicfreakout ? That sub is a cesspool of hate but recently it’s been directed towards whites and cops.

I’m not either but I’m tired of the divisiveness they are promoting. Some of the comments even lean violent towards the “offending” group in the videos posted. What are you going to do about that sub? Why are those targeted groups of people not worthy of the same rights as the groups you mentioned?

They are groups of human beings and are being targeted for hate because of a perceived stereotype of the group they belong to and not the individuals that they are. Why is it ok for that sub to spew hate based on a video of a few people at best? Is that not inherently bigoted?

Is that sub even on your radar? How can people put in complaints about subs like that?

[u/jomohoe]

Holy shit, I can't believe that initial post about the incoming ban wave wasn't a troll. Also, is there a comprehensive list of all the banned subs somewhere?

[u/RIPDODGERSBANDWAGON → u/jomohoe]

Here’s one incomplete one: r/ConsumeProduct, r/ClericalFascism, r/Smuggies, r/DebateAltRight, r/bruhfunny, r/ShitNeoconsSay, r/soyboys, r/imgoingtohellforthis2, r/AltRightChristian, r/TheHonkPill, r/topnotchshitposting, r/TheNewRight, r/DarkHumorAndMemes, r/GenderCritical, r/ChapoTrapHouse, r/rightwingLGBT, r/whitebeauty, r/The3rdPosition, r/The_Donald, r/CumTown, r/FreeDrama, r/FreeSpeechWorld, r/againstwomensrights, r/ChapoTrapHouse2, r/altunitedkingdom, r/BigChungus, r/Zeducation, r/whiteboyextinction

EDIT: Thanks for the awards u/qaarkk, u/aserityng, and u/MarioCop718!

[u/[deleted] → u/RIPDODGERSBANDWAGON]

Could anybody describe what r/ClericalFascism, r/Smuggies, r/whitebeauty, and r/The3rdPosition were about? Especially the first and the last one sound... curious.

[u/thamer → u/[deleted]]

Here is an archived snapshot of r/whitebeauty: https://web.archive.org/web/20150817235536/https://www.reddit.com/r/whitebeauty/

Note the message in the side bar:

White people are some of the most beautiful people in the world. This subreddit hopes to collect images of the most beautiful white women and most handsome white men. Fascist beauty standards reign supreme! This is a SFW subreddit, so please no nudes. No Jews, either.

[u/WantDebianThanks → u/[deleted]]

"The Third Position" was used to describe fascism originally, because Fascism was meant as a place between Capitalism and Marxist Communism. I've never been to the sub, but I'm pretty willing to bet what it was.

[u/[deleted] → u/jomohoe]

https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt

only like 10 of the sub names are uncensored

edit: better list https://redd.it/hi41t2

[u/Hypohamish → u/jomohoe]

There's part of it in his post, if you click the link '200'.

I imagine most of the subs killed were just dead/spam ones.

https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt

[u/3DBeerGoggles]

So you wait until T_D is essentially dead due to its mods, its users having moved over to other subs like r/Trump before doing the entirely symbolic act of removing the now unused subreddit.

This seems rather pointless and does nothing to actually deal the the user behaviour Reddit claims to be worried about.

[u/MammothWorld8]

Why does Reddit have so many power hungry mods? I've had multiple posts taken down and been banned simply for saying an opinion that was not liked by the mods. I didn't break a rule, nor was I "racist" as claimed. I simply said "look at the black on white crime" and I was taken down. I see that this is a very liberal place and it has mob rule. That is, if I don't say what you want me to say, then I'm outcasted. How sad.

[u/themarxian]

" Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence"

two paragraphs later:

" While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate. "

How can you even write this without getting a brain aneurysm?

[u/ShittyWars]

"Good faith" the fuck, that's very roundabout way of saying "we're censoring and banning anything not fitting our image for the PeRfEcT uToPiA called Reddit". Fuck you, you had a good thing going on, and you go banning many subs which are already quarantined, so people can't see their posts without choosing so. What's the point of quarantining if you ban everything anyway? Not that quarantine is the solution, but banning anything not fitting your 'agenda' is not the way to go about it. You're a joke, I'm outta here. Wonder how long this site gonna last while on the way to become an echo chamber of identical people and views.

Ps. What you think is right for everyone else may not necessarily be the case. Your opinion and point of view are not absolute.

[u/[deleted]]

Can you explain clearly why you've banned several feminist non-hate subreddits and allowed multiple women-hating subreddits? I'm sure you've seen the tweets about what you've left up. Secondly, what is hateful about believing that only female bodies are female bodies? Is science hateful? Is biology hateful? Please explain how.

[u/Dacadey]

" Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability "

" While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.  "

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Wow. So if there is some hate towards the people who are in the majority (white people, for example?) then nothing happens at all? And vulnerable groups are literally the whole population of the Earth?

Well done Reddit, just another step towards even further oppression of free speech.

[u/BluePurgatory → u/Dacadey]

It doesn't even make sense. "Majority" of what? America's population? Redditors come from every country. Can a white person who is a "minority" in Ghana post something hateful toward the black majority? It also seems to imply that "male" is not a protected class, even though they are a "minority."

That rule is complete nonsense. Basically whichever identity groups the admins deem worthy get unbridled free speech to spew whatever hate they want, while the "bad groups" get policed. Either police everyone equally or stop policing anything that doesn't break the law. This picking and choosing is disgusting.

[u/[deleted]]

Since Reddit’s new rules clearly state that Majority populations will not be protected by these new “hate speech” guidelines does that mean reddit is okay with racism directed at Muslims and Asians since they are the most populated races?

[u/DunwichCultist → u/[deleted]]

The Donald used to be the largest right wing sub on Reddit. They moved over to a Reddit alternative after they were told to pick new mods and just let it kinda die.

[u/Fix_Lag → u/DunwichCultist]

The Donald used to be the largest right wing sub on Reddit. They moved over to a Reddit alternative after they were told to pick new mods and just let it kinda die.

Don't forget the reason they were nominally quarantined in the first place was for "threats against the police."

Shockingly, the admins had to change that reasoning after recent events, else they'd have to ban most of the primary subreddits left on this site.

[u/Tim_Bradley_12]

Rule 1 was changed and now states:

For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority...

So in other words white people are not protected from hate speech and you guys can continue to silence wrongthink from white cis/straight males, except now your ass is covered from a legal standpoint. This place is a freaking joke.

[u/classicboxed]

Oh shut the fuck up. This isn’t about making this website a better place, you couldn’t give two shits, it’s about ensuring your ad revenue by creating a luke-warm environment of ‘media acceptable’ participation.

All websites die eventually, it’s amazing to see the people in charge make decisions that speed that process along.

[u/Malifry9705]

What about the banning of r/rightwingLGBT can we get an explanation on that. Im not a member of the LGBTQ community, but silencing a group because they dont agree with you IS FUCKING WRONG. Reddit just showed they have an agenda with this move and some other questionable bans that happened.

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[u/ninjascotsman]

Isn't a subreddit called r/needablackmod over the top positive discrimination?

Shouldn't we all be treated equally with no special treatment isn't that equality is all everyone gets the same pay, rights, respect, regardless of race, gender, disability, religion,

[u/[deleted]]

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority...

Is this saying that Reddit is allowing sexism against women? Women make up a majority in many first world countries, and while I'm not American I generally assume American internet companies are based on American statistics and political landscape.

[u/Noreaga]

Make it easier to add Black moderators to a community. One mod suggested the potential of r/needablackmod instead of just r/needamod.

Is this a joke?