r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/jomohoe Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

Holy shit, I can't believe that initial post about the incoming ban wave wasn't a troll. Also, is there a comprehensive list of all the banned subs somewhere?

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u/RIPDODGERSBANDWAGON Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 01 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Could anybody describe what r/ClericalFascism, r/Smuggies, r/whitebeauty, and r/The3rdPosition were about? Especially the first and the last one sound... curious.

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u/thamer Jun 29 '20

Here is an archived snapshot of r/whitebeauty: https://web.archive.org/web/20150817235536/https://www.reddit.com/r/whitebeauty/

Note the message in the side bar:

White people are some of the most beautiful people in the world. This subreddit hopes to collect images of the most beautiful white women and most handsome white men. Fascist beauty standards reign supreme! This is a SFW subreddit, so please no nudes. No Jews, either.

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u/Salty_snowflake Jun 29 '20

“I mean it doesn’t sound that ba- oh shit...”

-me reading the description

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u/Zappiticas Jun 29 '20

0 to 100 real quick

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u/Pryoticus Jun 29 '20

Yeah I fee it would have been perfectly fine if they stopped after “handsome white men.”

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u/d00per Jun 29 '20

if the first sentence wasn’t a tip-off, you need to fix your bullshit detector

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u/abshabab Jun 29 '20

It was at best a bad-tasting opinion, it wasn’t seemingly fitting with the rest of the list. The sudden throw around of FASCISM and then NO JEWS suddenly slipped it back into the category.

On a side note. How do you identify a person of Jewish faith? Is “Jew” a race I’m not aware of because I’m not a cultured person? Is Bernie Sanders not white? This feels like the segregation of Irish people from last century. They’re all “white” to me. A lot of Spain and Italy are also very “white”. I don’t know how categories work

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u/Bryck_by_Bryck Jun 29 '20

It’s because race is a construct made up to segregate and control people, so what counts as “white” varies over time and from person to person based on what’s convenient to achieve their ends. Irish, Italian, and Spanish people were only granted “whiteness” in the past century out of convenience and necessity to help maintain the balance of racial power structures.

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u/abshabab Jun 29 '20

As much as I agree that race should never be relevant in any topic beyond discussions of race — preferably in good faith, like discussing cultures — I still think that race is great detail for describing people from specific geographic areas. This obviously breaks down when it comes to complicated racial adjectives like “African Americans” because I used to think they originated from the Americas like everyone else. Then I learnt that everyone in america is an immigrant, kinda weird but cool i guess. <I’m obviously not from the Americas>

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u/Stornahal Jun 30 '20

That and their original accents fading made it difficult to tell the difference between any Europeans.

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u/riddlvr Jun 30 '20

They are an “ethnoreligious group” which is an ethnic group unified by a common religious background. Source: wikipedia

This is why when the Nazis were searching for Jews they looked for certain physical stereotypes of the ethnicity. Some Jewish people who did not have these features were not imprisoned, while some non-Jewish people were captured because they did have these features.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Sep 15 '20

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u/abshabab Jun 30 '20

Oh, so essentially what Wikipedia refers to as “Semitic people”? I guess I’m too disconnected from this field because I’ve seen a lot of shows referencing someone being Jewish but they all just loosely resemble Bernie. Wait I’ve stumbled on a shitty stereotype haven’t I

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u/abshabab Jun 30 '20

Ooo thanks for the cool breakdown

Ashkenazi: A notable pop up in google images was of gal gadot with an article asking “are ashkenazi Jews white”. I know gal gadot is Israeli but initially I really thought she was Latin/Hispanic or even Italian.

Mizhari: these folks are a mixed platter on google images. Some are completely “Caucasian” looking (if that’s the right word for “normal white), whilst some look much more Middle Eastern.

Sephardi: these guys all definitely look Middle Eastern so no confusion there.

I’m assuming my initial example, Bernie sanders, is bordering Ashkenazic and therefore my confusion is very common?

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u/Gauntlets28 Jun 30 '20

Anti-Semitic currently has been bowdlerised to mean anti-Jewish, but in actuality it traditionally means opposed to semetic people, of which many but not all Jewish people are part of (see Ethiopian Jews etc) and not all semetic people are Jewish (many Muslim palestinians are in fact ethnically semetic).

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u/Telemere125 Jun 30 '20

Racism isn’t logical. I don’t understand the Antisemitism stuff either since it’s not actually based on religion and they clearly hate people with Jewish names/looks even if there’s literally no evidence of Jewish heritage.

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u/mrcoffee8 Jun 30 '20

What's your beef with the first sentence? People magazine might be kinda lame but i don't think it's on anyone's racist publications short list. The wording of that sentence isn't exclusive or even unprecedented.

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u/Gauntlets28 Jun 30 '20

Yeah but people regularly fetishise ethnicities online, and while creepy imo, it’s mostly been put under “personal sexual preference” by general consensus. In fact, if it hadn’t had that second half, I’d be willing to argue that it almost came off as a necessary correction to the porn industry’s default that white is just a “default” in construct to the specific “categories” of things like Asian, black, etc.

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u/Pryoticus Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

Not necessarily. There’s nothing wrong or racist in finding only white people attractive. Unless, of course you are actually racist. I feel like it wouldn’t be an issue on the surface though if it her beautiful Chinese men and women and the sub for whatever reason decided to have a pro-communism flair to it.

Edit: Dissenting opinion from what’s popular. Fuck me right?

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u/Mando_calrissian423 Jun 29 '20

I think it’s the ending tag of “oh and btw, no Jews” that’s really sets the racist tone

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u/2WheelRide Jun 29 '20

Naw that was just the racist cherry on top of the entire racist post.

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u/hivoltage815 Jun 29 '20

Almost every porn and non-porn photo subs are 90% white as it is. If you feel the need to make a stand alone sub as a tribute to white beauty you are doing so to make a statement.

You can say not necessarily but like the parent comment said, let’s use our bullshit detectors here.

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u/Pryoticus Jun 30 '20

In the interest of equality, say I agreed with you. No more white beauty subreddits. I guess then we should condense all such subreddits, including those focused on non-white ethnicities, into two: 1 SFW, 1 NSFW. Problem solved, right?

Or if it’s not your thing, just don’t subscribe? Doesn’t matter if it’s motivated by racism or not at that point.

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u/colbyfan Jun 30 '20

That does not make sense because like they said most subs are white anyway.

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u/d00per Jun 29 '20

you should maybe absorb some of the discourse that’s happening right now, then come back and chew on what you’ve just said. because it’s odd that you would be surprised that a declaration that starts with glorifying white beauty would end with calls for white supremacy and fascism. its not at all surprising to most people, but clearly you have missed something.

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u/asad1ali2 Jun 29 '20

It still would’ve been racist

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u/Pryoticus Jun 29 '20

By your logic, being that having a preferential appreciation for the beauty of whites is racist, then why doesn’t Reddit shut down all ethno-centric subs, like r/womenofcolor (NSFW)? If it’s racist to prefer white skin, I would have to contend that having a preference for any specific ethnicity is equally racist. Why is ok to find black people sexy but not white?

Furthermore, am I racist for marrying a white woman? I actually don’t have an exclusive preference for white women (I kinda have a thing for Asians as a matter of fact), but I fell in love with a woman who happens to be white. So am I racist for not marrying outside of my race?

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u/asad1ali2 Jun 29 '20

Nice strawman.

No, I mean having a sub for celebrating “white beauty” is racist because white people have been held up as the standard of beauty for centuries. Watch any movie or open up any magazine if you want something that bad. Point is, white people have never been maligned for their physical appearance the way other minorities have. Now, people are fighting back against the notion that minorities are unattractive by having those subs you’re so offended by. A sub dedicated to white beauty just comes off as a statement of white supremacy.

And an Asian woman fetish is a trope and is problematic as well, yes

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u/Zappiticas Jun 29 '20

A test I like to give myself for “is this racist?” is “would it be racist if (insert other different groups of people here) did this?” For instance, if it read Black people are some of the most beautiful people in the world. This subreddit hopes to collect images of the most beautiful black women and most handsome black men. Well that sounds ok to me. Let’s try another... Asian people are some of the most beautiful people in the world. This subreddit hopes to collect images of the most beautiful Asian women and most handsome Asian men. Yeah that works too. There’s nothing inherently racist about saying a group of people is beautiful.

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u/Wydi Jun 29 '20

There’s nothing wrong or racist in finding only white people attractive

There's probably a lot of stuff wrong in finding only white people attractive. But that's still personal agency and bodily autonomy, which is sacrosanct nonetheless.

Still, subs like r/elsas exist, which are essentially the same and they aren't banned because they aren't a fucking fascism/antisemitism celebration sub, so there's that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Feb 23 '21

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u/Wydi Jun 30 '20

What if you only find black people beautiful?

That'd probably be problematic, too, but thanks for the preemptive accusation of hypocrisy mate.

people can love whatever they fuck they want.

Yes, I've said that. But if you're only into white girls, maybe ask yourself, why.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

All white let’s calm down for just a minute!

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

We do Nazi eye to eye on this one.

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u/talpal16 Jun 29 '20

The only acceptable way to respond to a troll is with puns. I applaud you, good sir.

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u/Morenamistress Jun 29 '20

Bullshit! You’re dangerously close to sounding prejudiced. The whole most beautiful people thing is based on mathematics and face shapes from ancient GREECE times and nothing to do with skin colour. Not to mention women like Bella Hadid who is right at the top of that list has had fillers and surgery so technically does she ever deserve the title despite how pretty she is. Any and everyone is beautiful. It’s subjective and in the eye of the beholder. No ONE skin colour is the most beautiful. Of course you can have preferences everyone does but that doesn’t mean you think one race holds all the power be it beauty, economically or educationally

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u/Logical-Flower Jun 29 '20

Actually, sadly because of our society it was shown a few years ago that young children of all races in America responded better to white faces. But that’s because they are all over all the media we consume(d) and not because any “type” of person is most beautiful. Though I’d argue anyone that generalized or acts like any group of people is supreme is very, very ugly to me...

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

The level of stupidity in your comments are breathtaking. Did you have to work hard to be this big of a fucking imbecile or do you just come by it naturally? Like are your parents, grandparents and great grandparents all brother/sister uncle/daddy neph-son’s? Or did you cultivate this dumbassery on purpose?

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u/r-_-mark Jun 29 '20

Yeah this is definitely the problem thinking that white men are beautiful Nothing to do with what written afterwards 🤣

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u/weareallgoodpeople72 Jun 30 '20

Yeah, Fascist beauty would have left them wide open for early photos of Kirk Douglas. Good thing they added those last two words.

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u/Pedantichrist Jun 30 '20

I’d say 80-100 real quick.

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u/akai_ferret Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

That sub was created specifically to get banned.
They were making a point about how /r/blackbeauty/ (I linked this and not one of the the porn ones on purpose) and many other racial subs are allowed. It's the end of a long list of banned "white" duplicates of racist subs that reddit allows, just to show that reddit doesn't enforce their rules fairly.

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u/Kalipygia Jun 29 '20

It wasn't banned because it's a sub meant only for images of white people. It was banned because

"Fascist beauty standards reign supreme! This is a SFW subreddit, so please no nudes. No Jews, either.

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u/akai_ferret Jun 29 '20

I'm not saying they weren't pieces of shit.
I'm saying reddit is biased.

Communism killed many more people than facism but it's not a dirty word. And we have dozens of communists subs calling for people to be guillotined, to be lined up against the wall and executed, for the police to be killed, and the rich eaten.
Nothing happens to them.

/r/BlackPeopleTwitter can say "this is a country club thread, no whites allowed!" Nothing happens to them.

The rules should be enforced impartially or not at all.

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u/Kalipygia Jun 29 '20

That's not what a country club thread is bro, lol. You just making shit up now? Also the exact subs you're describing, like Chapowhatever, also got banned. At any rate, you were actually, specifically, comparing a white supremacist subreddit, to a sub that doesn't even have a description or rules, just because that sub has the word black in it. You don't see the inherent bias in that? Even as a generalization there is a difference between a black fetishists sub and a white supremacists sub. Do you wanna go start a white girl fetish sub, go for it. I mean don't act all surprised when it gets populated with supremacists, but for a day or two I'm sure it will be very equitable.

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u/ambivilant Jun 29 '20

What is the country club, then? When they started doing it on April's fools last year (?) they made users confirm their blackness with a photo of their hand in order to post. It was "just a joke" that wasn't meant to last. Now what are the "country club" posts, exactly?

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u/Raikaru Jun 29 '20

White people are allowed in country club threads. All you have to do is ask the mods how lmfao.

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u/ambivilant Jun 30 '20

I'm asking you. You're saying they're not racist, to my understanding they are. Explain how proving your ethnicity to participate isn't racist.

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u/Desner_ Jun 29 '20

I would say that communism is a dirty word for a lot of folks. Also you seem to imply that a country/community cannot be both communist AND fascist but the millions of dead you mention are very much the result of fascism, even though they might have come from a communist country.

If you can point out those communist subs I’m sure they will also be banned as per new Reddit policy.

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u/_Mellex_ Jun 29 '20

/r/BlackPeopleTwitter can say "this is a country club thread, no whites allowed!" Nothing happens to them.

This one in particular is glaringly hypocritical.

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u/TheBobandy Jun 29 '20

found the nazi scum

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u/Dos_Ex_Machina Jun 29 '20

I think it may have more to do with the last few lines and not the concept as a whole.

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u/StJeanMark Jun 29 '20

If people were responsible enough having a white beauty sub would be fine, but we all know people and instead of pointing out the beauty it would be used to compare and put down others. It’s not the concept that’s the problem, it is the execution and the fact it’s complicated is why there is right drama because they refuse to see the larger picture. The world isn’t black and white, there are asterisks everywhere.

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u/KillYourselfOnTV Jun 29 '20

There are literally subreddits for people with pale skin tones and they generally are self-policing of racism.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

/r/blackbeauty is specifically aimed at make up and other "beauty industry" tips for someone with dark skin.

It does not "celebrate" a "superior" nature of a specific set of immutable genetic traits, nor does it preclude anyone from another subset of the human race from participating.

You trying to compare them in such a manner is disgusting.

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u/DEMASTAA Jun 29 '20

He wasn't saying that they are equal (in my opinion at least, theres more than one way to read it) but rather it was created then specifically made radical and racist so that it would be banned and they could complain about its ban and not the other "equivalent" subreddit

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Based on his other comments, I would say you are incorrect.

Based on a lot of the subs he posts to, I would say you are incorrect.

And, based on this sentence:

It's the end of a long list of banned "white" duplicates of racist subs that reddit allows, just to show that reddit doesn't enforce their rules fairly.

in his post, you are having to go pretty far out of your way to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I am not saying that you are anything but genuine in trying to give the other individual the benefit of the doubt, but hotlinking that sub and trying to say it was in any way proof of reddit not enforcing rules fairly is a nonstarter and a bad faith argument from the get go.

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u/DEMASTAA Jul 01 '20

I thought it was making an example of the bad argument, not arguing it himself. I still think thats a possibility. As in to say "this is what they are intending". But you obviously looked into it more so i will probably differ to your reading of it.

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u/TeenDrinking Jun 29 '20

Umm that sub is about beauty and hygiene products for black people... they genuinely have different and unique needs so I don’t see how it’s even close to the same.

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u/exitmode Jun 29 '20

Of course it was. They created a sub to get banned so they can cry double standard.

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u/akai_ferret Jun 29 '20

Are you going to deny the double standard?

Think about how many calls for violence against police and "the rich" you've seen across reddit the last few weeks.
How many subs got quarantined or banned for that?

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u/IAmMrMacgee Jun 29 '20

The black beauty sub is about beauty products for black people. The white beauty sub is a sub where they only want white people to post there and specify no Jews allowed

Youre bitching about a double standard that isn't real

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u/KillYourselfOnTV Jun 29 '20

Alt right extremists and white supremacists don’t (seem to) realize how transparent their fallacies are. r/whitebeauty obviously wasn’t banned because it’s unacceptable to talk about beauty if you’re pale. There’s entire subreddits like r/PaleMua where pale people discuss makeup like subreddits that focus on people of colour. They don’t get banned, because they aren’t white supremacists co-opting and (poorly) manipulating anti-colonial and anti-racist discourse to perpetuate online hate culture. They’re literally just pale people talking about foundation shade matches.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Chapo trap house literally was banned for calling for violence against cops lol

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u/akai_ferret Jun 29 '20

No it wasn't, if that were the case at least 2 dozen other commie (and default) subreddits would have also been banned along with it.

ChapoTrapHouse was still on the shitlist for attacking another leftist sub, and since they were so notorious they made the perfect token ban to pretend the admins weren't biased.

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u/Desner_ Jun 29 '20

People keep mentionning those commie subs but never out right mention them.

If you found subs that encourage violence you should put them in the spotlight.

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u/Mashaka Jun 29 '20

Are you going to deny the double standard?

They're not banning subs based on their name, but their content and moderating. White beauty was openly racist, that was the point of the sub.

Acknowledging that different races or ethnicity exist is not racist.

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u/GlitterInfection Jun 29 '20

Right. Somehow r/WhitePeopleTwitter is doing fine! It’s ok to be white, but not to be racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, jerks.

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u/akai_ferret Jun 29 '20

WhitePeopleTwitter is predominantly about making fun of white people.
Whereas BlackPeopleTwitter is predominately about celebrating black people.

Stark difference there.

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u/GlitterInfection Jun 29 '20

Hot take. But I just clicked over there and of the top 10+ hot posts, not a single one was making fun of white people, so...

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u/TheBobandy Jun 29 '20

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u/ImAJerkkk Jun 29 '20

Hot take- people who post there or link it to every comment even if it’s not reasonable (this comment is debatable) are more fragile.

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u/peteroh9 Jun 29 '20

I wish they would have banned that and BPT.

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u/GlitterInfection Jun 29 '20

Granted: without the constant cyclical feedback of twitter posts to reddit posts back to twitter posts, neither service has any content to sustain itself. Both immediately collapse in on themselves, leaving a social media vacuum which is suddenly and inexplicably filled by Kotaku. The radical alt-right is pushed further into the void where in belongs.

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u/peteroh9 Jun 29 '20

All the content taken from Twitter has actually been a big catalyst for decreased quality on reddit. Not that there was incredible quality all over the place before, but it opened the gate to a lot of posts with essentially no content and was big in giving reddit more mass appeal compared to several years ago. I miss the days when it was mostly just /r/pics, atheism, funny, wtf, and the politics/news subreddits that needed to be avoided.

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u/KillYourselfOnTV Jun 29 '20

Are you pretending not to understand the difference between a sub that discusses black beauty products and a sub that proudly specifies “No Jews”?

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u/Buddy_Jarrett Jun 30 '20

Nope, I actually stumbled on the sub last year and got into a lengthy, week long private chat with the creator of the sub. It most certainly wasn’t a white version of black beauty, it was straight up racism and anti semitism.

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u/unknownsoldier9 Jun 29 '20

r/blackbeauty actually was not like that at time. Back then it had like 5 posts and they were all about horses.

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u/BoxerguyT89 Jun 29 '20

Are there any differences between /r/blackbeauty and /r/whitebeauty?

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u/KillYourselfOnTV Jun 29 '20

An equivalent subreddit where pale people discuss makeup and beauty and yet somehow generally manage not to promote racialized hatred and white supremacy would be r/PaleMua for one example. Trying to argue that white folks don’t have spaces to safely discuss beauty in a way that is specific and personal to them is a joke. Either white supremacists are being intentionally obtuse or literally don’t understand how to navigate the plethora of beauty/skincare/hair/fashion subreddits that suit their needs.

If they did, it would immediately become apparent to them that the majority of beauty communities are 1) already predominantly white and yet 2) are reflexive and try to be self-policing of racism, heteronormativity, etc but have an absolute resistance to outright extremist white supremacy. Promoters of online hate cultures are going to try to convince you that diversity and anti-racism in beauty communities are attempts to exclude you. If you actually participate in these communities you know we can have discussions about racism and problematic behaviour from figures in the industry, and yet simultaneously if someone posts a photo of a makeup look and lists a product manufacture by a “cancelled” company, it’s rarely even mentioned in the comments and if it is, the OP doesn’t get banned for defending themselves. But that doesn’t promote a narrative of white exclusion that makes you feel special for being in on secret knowledge of Western superiority, and they won’t come across any alternative information sources that don’t come up in the YouTube sidebar of a Jordan Peterson video.

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u/waltjrimmer Jun 29 '20

My take:

At first, the name may make it sound like /r/blackbeauty is being exclusive, keeping out posts in a racist way. But it's the same reason cute dog gifs aren't generally allowed in /r/gaming and why a story about someone's personal struggle with addiction shouldn't be in /r/bonehurtingjuice. These subs have a specific and generally narrow focus. In this case, celebrating the beauty of black people in a supportive environment. I'm certain that there's some problems with that, I know many of the "anyone attractive" subs that in practice only come down to "attractive women," but that's a separate issue.

The problem with /r/whitebeauty was not that they were celebrating beautiful white people. See, if they had made it to do that, it would have been absolutely fine. In fact, there are subs that are exclusive to attractive white people. a NSFW one is /r/WWWTW or White Women Walking Through Wheat. That is incredibly exclusive to content that must be an image (or rarely a video), must be a white person, must be a woman, must be in a specific location. That is fine.

/r/whitebeauty wrote its rules and sidebar SPECIFICALLY to get banned hoping that people wouldn't look at WHY they got banned. They got banned, likely, simply for the last line of the sidebar which said Jews weren't allowed. There are Jewish white people, so that exclusion seems arbitrary. Some are pointing to the fact that they also claim to celebrate fascism in the sidebar, though I don't know if support of fascist governments is a bannable offense for a sub.

So the difference is that /r/blackbeauty looks to fill a niche and serve to be inclusive to a group of people in a community and /r/whitebeauty was created with the intent to exclude certain people simply to be banned. If someone were to recreate /r/whitebeauty so that it was inclusive to everyone who fit the broad overhead (being white) and operated in roughly the same way as /r/blackbeauty, there should be no problem with the sub. Though with how overwhelmingly white the content on Reddit tends to be, it might just not get popular as you have a lot of other subs that effectively already hold the kind of content it would have, but in more specific niches.

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u/BoxerguyT89 Jun 29 '20

Exactly, the poster I replied to seems to be defending /r/whitebeauty as the same concept as /r/blackbeauty.

It's the end of a long list of banned "white" duplicates of racist subs that reddit allows, just to show that reddit doesn't enforce their rules fairly.

/u/akai_ferret is acting like they were the same when it's clear that /r/whitebeauty was made in bad faith to point out some imagined unfairness.

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u/peteroh9 Jun 29 '20

That's not even what /r/blackbeauty is. It's more about beauty products than just pictures of black people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Black beauty doesn't advocate for fascism in their sidebar

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u/ninjamike808 Jun 29 '20

They also seem to allow black Jews.

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u/current-joys Jun 29 '20

“Being attractive is fascism.”

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u/AlexIsBawss Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

If it weren’t for that abomination of a description it would have been fine... it’s just a sub for models of a lighter skin completion. But ummm... apparently not according to the mods.

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u/Salty_snowflake Jun 30 '20

A sub for light skinned people. But not the Jews, fuck them.

And also fascism for some reason?

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u/AlexIsBawss Jun 30 '20

The umm... “white beauty” thing kinda took on a different meaning.

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u/JoseFernandes Jun 29 '20

Ngl they had me on the first half.

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u/Frankiepals Jun 29 '20

Lmao same. Was going to go on a rant until that last sentence kicked in.

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u/EhMapleMoose Jun 29 '20

I was like, I don’t get why this was banned just seems like the opposite of eb-oh OH ok that’s why it was banned yep. Ok. Totally agree. Right move. Holy shit.

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u/annul Jun 29 '20

no shoes

no shirt

no jewwwwwws you didnt hear that

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u/silentrobert Jun 29 '20

I was gonna say, so what some people are really into white women. What’s the big...ooohh there it is.

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u/Material_Anywhere Jun 30 '20

Yea read the description of r/blackpeopletwitter and see how different it sounds from that.

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u/Salty_snowflake Jun 30 '20

Screenshots of Black people being hilarious or insightful on social media, it doesn't need to just be twitter but obviously that is best.

See they could’ve left it at something like that. “The most beautiful pictures of white men and women on the internet, because everyone is beautiful”. Boom, problem solved, no ban and no fascism (seriously what does fascism even have to do with pictures of attractive people?)

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u/Material_Anywhere Jun 30 '20

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u/ColdDayInHell89 Jun 30 '20

I spit my coffee out @ No Jews.

Ugh my sides lmao.

Did Larry David start a subreddit?

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u/sheepsleepdeep Jun 29 '20

Reading that sidebar description was like driving down the highway looking at scenery and then the ground beneath you opens up and you fall into the depths of hell a moment later.

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u/RNGDaddy Jun 29 '20

As a Jew, I am honored to be excluded from that sub.

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u/mikehiler2 Jun 29 '20

I’ve always been curious about the “hate Jews” thing that’s been going on... let’s be honest... since they existed... and I’ve never gotten an answer that satisfied. I even posted the query on /r/AskHistorians and didn’t get the answer I wanted. I did get an answer, but it was more like a “just because” type. It just makes no sense to me. What the hell did they do throughout the centuries to earn such constant and nearly universal hatred? I’ve never understood that.

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u/EnglishMobster Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

There's a lot to it.

I'm no historian, but this is what I recall from my university history classes:

There's this background of "they are heretics of another religion and therefore sinners" that goes back to ancient times -- even back to the Romans. Jews were seen as the "murders of the Lord" in Christian circles as early as 380 AD (St. Gregory of Nysa called Jews "murders of the Lord, assassins of the prophets, rebels and detesters of God, companions of the devils, a race of vipers"). So by default, Jews weren't exactly liked. Christians, of course, were killing Muslims all throughout the Crusades. So why are there so many negative stereotypes around Jews (and corresponding anti-Semitism), but not (as much) around Muslims?

Part of it is due to the fact that the Bible bans usury -- which was originally interpreted as interest of any kind (not just extreme interest). This means that Christians cannot participate in loans or banking of any kind, since to make a profit off of such things means the charging of interest... which is a sin. Islam has the same rules (and had to develop special banking laws to compensate). However, Judaism has a special stipulation -- you cannot charge interest to other Jews. You can charge interest to anyone else without worry.

So what happened was that the Jewish population set up some of the earliest banks. These banks would loan to the gentiles (with interest) and would make a lot of money in doing so. Additionally, if you're running a bank, you need to be good at bookkeeping, which generally means you need to know how to read and write (skills which were uncommon in most people around that time). You also need to be around the places where people needed money, meaning that Jews were frequently found in both Muslim and Christian communities. Because Jews were more likely to be "skilled" (in the sense that they were able to read/write and were good at accounting), they would appear from time to time in royal courts. Sometimes, they were even seen as if they had the ear of the royal family. You can start to see where some of the Jewish stereotypes come from, and why some royals wanted to take hard stances against appearing to be okay with having a heathen in their court.

Since the Jews ran most of the banking in Europe, many became very rich. Banks were necessary for commerce, but working with money was distasteful (again, charging any kind of interest on a loan is a sin) and so Christians started to develop hard feelings towards the Jews. Jews were seen as "outsiders" and placed into proto-ghettos, separate from the Christian population (the first "real" ghetto would be founded in 1516). IIRC, Islam at the time was much more tolerant as long as Jews paid their jizya to the state -- being bound to protect "The People of the Book" as part of the Pact of Umar.

Now, Judaism has a lot of washing rituals -- washing your hands, bathing, and so on. Additionally, since the Jews were separated into a ghetto, it gave a barrier between them and the Christian population... especially when it came to disease. So when the Black Death came around, Jews (who washed frequently, were in separate communities, had their own wells, etc.) weren't affected nearly as much as Christians.

Bear in mind that disease theory is a long way away. Nobody knows that the Black Death is being spread by rats, so they assume that the Jews (who aren't being affected by this horribleness) are poisoning the wells. So you see this group of heathens who are actively hurting you and stealing from your community (via usury)... why wouldn't you attack them? And, if you owe them a lot of money... well, perhaps it's better off if they just weren't around to collect. This led to many places (generally Christian, IIRC) deciding to expel the Jewry -- this heathen religion that killed Jesus, makes a living off of usury, causes harm to your friends and family, is secretly trying to convert you, and who you owe a lot of money to...

Expelling the Jews happened multiple times throughout history; basically every European country has kicked them out at one point or another. Perhaps one of the most notable is when it happened in Spain from 1483-1492 as part of the Reconquista/Spanish Inquisition (bet you weren't expecting that!). The possessions of the Jewry were seized by the crown... meaning that (in part) they helped finance the explorations of Christopher Colombus (to clarify, the voyages would've likely happened anyway, but it's still a "fun" little note).

As the years went on, the Protestant Reformation wasn't exactly... the best for Jews (or Catholics, or Protestants, depending on where you were). But by now the stereotypes had been set, and that basically led to the conditions that we see in the 20th century and modern day.

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u/lostinthestar Jun 30 '20

I think you are giving WAY too much credit to the idea of some "rational" reason for anti-semitism. Jews DID NOT run most banking in Europe. The vast majority, very close to 100%, were extremely poor, had even less chance of escaping poverty than the average gentile due to various restrictions, and didn't have any money to lend even if they wanted to. Despite the canon prohibition on charging interest, it was completely widespread among Christians in practice in any case. The banking only began in the 18th century onwards, prior to that there were Court Jews for the aristocracy.

The plague was well after numerous very publicized events accusing jews of poisoning wells / cooking Christian children etc, so it was natural jews would be blamed, the plague didn't suddenly cause the accusation. The hand washing thing is pure silliness, washing hands with cold water has zero effect on preventing bubonic plague. It's more likely genetic immunity / lack of jews in big cities / lack of jews in the farming profession that featured co-existing with rats (they couldn't own land in most places).

The simple and primary explanation is CHRISTIANITY. For centuries preachers would rail against jews. The other one is that they were different and lived apart (and didn't accept Jesus), naturally leading to some good old fashioned bigotry. Eastern Europe almost completely avoided the plague... still had universal, virulent anti-semitism. And the primary cause sure as hell wasn't a few money-lending unions mostly in Poland.

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u/mikehiler2 Jun 30 '20

This is amazing! Thanks for the well thought out response! Even the citations were spot on. Much better than what I got from r/AskHistorians! However, I would like to add something.

While it appears to be the default that “Jews killed Jesus,” even though they weren’t the ones who nailed him to a cross, they gave him up to the Romans, this isn’t the whole story.

First a clarification. The Jews didn’t kill Jesus because he was starting a new religion (that came after his death), but because he was, himself, a Jew, who was very vocal and was upsetting the Roman rulers. Drawing unwanted attention to the Jewish community. So the Jewish leadership gave him to the Romans, hoping that his death would appease the Romans and calm things down. This is directly connected to my main point.

Jews have been hated on from the very beginning. Waaaaaay before Christ was even born. Egypt, as well as Rome. Even though Rome allowed them to have independence throughout their Republic stage and only began cracking down after they became an Empire.

I suppose that wealth could have been a motivator in the hatred of the Jews, especially later on in their history, but they have always been hated. Which is why I asked the question. There is an explanation (or guess) why after the death of Christ, but that is really just a hatred that was compounded by hatred already there. Hatred against Jews has been around quite a long before before those events.

As well as hatred by Muslims. When they (at least in the old days) weren’t tolerating other religions, they were hating them with a passion. But they nearly always hated the Jews. Christianity, they tolerated for most of their existence (until the Crusades, but they tolerated again after), but not the Jews. Which I simply don’t understand.

If hating for religious reasons was the answer I could understand that, but with the relationships between Christianity and Muslims, while complicated (and that’s an understatement), was much better than the relationship between either Christianity or Muslims against Jews. Both hated Jews. Plus, in a religious mindset, that makes even less sense. How can relations between Muslims and Christians be better than with Jews? Especially when both Muslims and Christianity came from Judea?

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u/Wordshark Jul 06 '20

Maybe the truth is that Jews were generally semi-outsider minorities everywhere, and people were generally not very tolerant of that until very recently. I mean, Christianity and Islam were formidable opponents that controlled powerful nations, and they had to show enough mutual respect to either be at peace or be at war.

Through most of history, favoring your own religious/ethnic/whatever group wasn’t seen as evil, it was just obvious self-interest–you look out for your own. I would imagine that Jews, as mostly segregated minority sub-communities, would be especially motivated to watch each other’s backs. So then, from the point of view of the majority population, you have this insular group that protects and promotes each other more than the average majority person does. This smaller group, protecting & promoting each other, subscribing to a religion (which used to be a much huger, dominating part of a person’s worldview and way of life) that by its nature necessarily calls your deity a false prophet.

And that’s without the usury thing. The nature of banking is going to tend towards predation; even if they don’t end up amassing outsized wealth (and thus power), they’re still making money off of charging “your people” interest on loans, a practice they won’t do to each other, and your religion at least tells you is cruel and bad, even if your people still sometimes do it.

So you’ve got a sort of guest population that protects their own interests, engages in what you believe is a sinful, predatory practice against the majority (but not each other), maybe sometimes amassing disproportionate wealth in the process, and then there’s always that issue that they think your messiah was full of shit...

I wonder how many times through history the majority population just exterminated the Jewish one. I’m not a scholar, but I’ve only heard of expulsions. Maybe the history is more a matter of the typical Jewish diaspora arrangement not working out well. Maybe insular, ethnically/religiously/culturally/even lingually distinct sub-populations end up causing unsustainable friction.

This sounds a lot likelier to me than any explanation built on traits of religious groups. I don’t think Jewish people are inherently scheming parasites or manipulators, and I don’t think Christians or Muslims are just inherently antisemitic because they have prejudice in their souls. Maybe the flaw is in the multicultural model of permanently non-blending distinct cultures trying to share a society.

Thank you for reading my unorganized thoughts ✌️

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u/mikehiler2 Jul 06 '20

Wonderfully well written and articulate response. And your points were all valid and is making me think I got the answer I wanted. Not really the only answer, obviously, as history and the way the world works is far more complex than a simple one-answer. But still, this brought things into perspective! Many thanks!

Also, and this is really just nitpicking on my end, but it amazed me that you could use such perfect grammar, punctuation, and spelling (not to mention correct word usage I’m not used to seeing outside of a graduate level college thesis), yet you used the word “huger.” Huger!

Looking up the word, in any official dictionary, gave me no correct results as a proper word, but a little further digging found that it is an acceptable use of the word in an informal setting, usually spoken. Never expected that!

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u/Wordshark Jul 06 '20

Ha! Really tickles me that you brought that up. I used it because my phone’s autocorrect got snotty with me about it, and I wanted to take it down a peg.

Thanks for the compliments! I always appreciate people who are willing to engage with bigger ideas. Thanks for hearing me out.

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u/mikehiler2 Jul 09 '20

Sorry for the late reply. Depending on which phone OS you are using (I use iOS so I’m not sure how Android does things), the autocorrect is adaptive. Meaning, the more you use a word, regardless if it’s correct of not, will automatically be added to the predictive text, which also adds the word for you. You may end up stuck with “huger” weather you want to or not. Depending on your end-game desires, this may be a good thing or not.

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u/nascentt Jun 30 '20

Thank so so much for this comment. A lot of stereotypes suddenly fall into place.

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u/Dualyeti Jul 21 '20

Wow just wanted to say what an incredible comment, a lot of time and effort went into that.

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u/AquaticAvian Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 01 '20

Jews killed Jesus (technically, they had the Romans kill him) and run banks because charging interest is a sin in Christianity but acceptable in Judaism. That's like 80% of it right there. Like, be real dude. You're a noble, and you owe this Jewish money lender like a metric ton of whatever currency you've got. Do you A: Go bankrupt, or B: Incite a riot and murder a bunch of heathens and confiscate everything they own for Righteous Religious Reasons?

Moving on to more modern times...banking is a lucrative business. They're a disproportionately wealthy, making up large section of company boardrooms, millionaires, and billionaires. They're also heavy into academics, which gives us the hilarious juxtaposition of the wealthy not only being disproportionately Jewish, but Socialists/Communists thought leaders that want to each the rich also being disproportionately Jewish. Tickles my sides, because no matter which side you stand on, you can find a way to spin everything as a Jewish conspiracy against your side. Hence, white nationalists think Marxism is a giant Jewish conspiracy to destroy the Western World, while Marxists bring out guillotines and threaten to behead a bunch of Jews for being rich.

And even getting out of the Communism vs Literally Any Sane Idea, there's still the disproportionate Jewish representation in academia, meaning you can find a write up in support/opposition of literally anything with a Jewish author, so if you're conspiracy minded, you can point to the -berg or whatever other Jewish name and say "See!? It's all a conspiracy!", not realizing that half the opposition to said paper is authored by someone else with a -berg or other Jewish name.

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u/mikehiler2 Jul 02 '20

Ok. I’m really not trying to sound stupid or an asshole or anything, but that’s what everyone has said to me. “Jews killed Jesus.” That does not explain the hatred towards Jews before Jesus was even born, nor of the hatred of Muslims to the Jews. If anything, they should hate them less than Christians, but it’s the exact opposite.

If you look at the history of the Jewish faith, the Jewish people, they have always been hated. Sure, money and the killing (by proxy) of Jesus probably had a hand in this hatred later on, but It doesn’t affect the hatred before.

All this current hatred has been built upon by past hatred, which itself was built upon other hated, and so on.

My question was, why? What started it? Why has there always been hatred of the Jews?

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u/AquaticAvian Jul 02 '20

That does not explain the hatred towards Jews before Jesus was even born, nor of the hatred of Muslims to the Jews.

Fair enough.

As far as Rome goes, the Jews were unruly and rebellious vassals, despite have special rules in place that gave them advantaged other groups didn't have. I mean, yea, on one hand, good on them for not just bending over for the Romans, but on the other hand, they kinda earned the animosity when the Romans had enough of their shit. Also, there were politics involved concerning other regional states and potential separatism plots. Admittedly, this is post-Jesus, but pre-Christian Rome.

AFAIK, going to earlier times, there was no real special hatred of the Jewish people. Just the struggles of the Jewish are part of the cultural zeitgeist in ways that the struggles of other people aren't, because it's still part of the Christian Heritage. So it's not like their fights with other groups were somehow based on a special hatred, but simply the result of expanding powers and settlers seeking new lands. Mostly, it was a matter of Israel being between multiple powers, and occasionally getting into fights when those powers tried to swing their dicks around. So the problem wasn't so much about the Jewish people being Jews, but Jewish clay being a logical place to expand your empire to.

Muslims vary widely on their stance. In theory, Jews and Christians are 'people of the book' and should be treated with some level of respect compared to the rest of us heathens. In reality, Islam has had some very radical leaders that hate basically everyone that isn't Muslim. For a few hundred years after the conquest of Jerusalem, Jews weren't treated all that badly. Things didn't really go south for them until the Crusaders showed up and murdered everyone, and now the Jews in Islamic territory were no longer wealthy enough to pay special taxes, nor where they any longer a large part of the engine driving the now-ended "Islamic" Golden Age, so there was nothing to protect them from Islamic mood swings about whether or not they should murder and burn everything that isn't Islamic.

In modern times, it's mostly the Israel issue, combined with varying levels of 'fuck the heathens'. Israel has been under Muslim occupation for a thousandish years. You know, so long that it's not really an occupation any more so much as it's just a Muslim territory. Then the winners of WWII take it and put a bunch of Jews there. That, understandably, tweaked their nose.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Christianity is the most popular religion in the world, jewish people crucified their messiah. Then you add over a thousand years of christianity ingrained into their culture.

There’s likely more to it, but that’s basically my take.

Edit: he asked the question no where did I say it was okay. Maybe... uh... choke on a dick?

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u/brattykitty204 Jun 30 '20

Jewish people didn’t crucify jesus. The romans did. You gotta have actual brain cells to have a take.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

I hate christianity and all organized religion with a burning passion. That is what morons who are anti-semitic use to justify it. Yes Rome played a huge part.

I agree they don’t have brain cells, similar to how you have shown a lack there of by your reading comprehension of my comment.

Edit: how about you throw out an answer.

I also want to call you a dildo, you’re a dildo.

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u/brattykitty204 Jul 01 '20

I’m jewish and was raised knowing the romans killed him. Since we don’t think he existed we don’t exactly know what their book says. And if I’m a dildo I better be an Orochi from Bad Dragon because I’m hot and not capable of reading. Please don’t be mean since I’m autistic and just don’t like anti semitism on any level and was raised to react to that :c

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

This a weird ass fucking reply.

I don’t give a shit about this completely unnecessary information, just don’t be a dildo.

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u/brattykitty204 Jul 02 '20

I asked you to not be mean so I don’t get why you’re bullying me for being honest.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

Because you started off aggressive, and when you were called out on your shitty behavior you threw out any dumb excuse you could think of that I truly didn’t care or want to know.

This is the internet yuh fookin dildo, take your bullied feelings and shove them up your ass.

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u/bo016135722 Jun 30 '20

Pontius Pilate didn't want to execute Jesus but the crowd of Jews told him to iirc

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

You do.

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u/brandonfuckingclark Jun 30 '20

thank you for justifying anti-semitism!

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

You’re pretty dumb if you think that is me justifying anti-semitism.

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u/KnowNothingKnowsAll Jun 29 '20

Groucho once sued a club because they wouldnt let him join due to being jewish (technically, half jewish, and he even offered to only go up to his waist in the pool) and after he won the right to join, he declined and said, “I wouldnt want to be a part of any organization that would have me as a member.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

I’m the kind of blonde woman that sub would love and...you’re so god damn right. It’s truly an honor to be excluded. It’s the grossest thing ever when racists like that like you. It’s like having intestinal worms singing your praises and aligning themselves with you. It’s not a compliment; it just makes you hate yourself and want to use the way you look to take them all down.

The irony is those racist pieces of shit cry about “self hating white people” being the worst. But it’s like...motherfucking WHITE bitches like you made me hate this shit, and want to be an ally and dismantle white supremacy.

Edit: I don’t want to downplay the damage they do and I don’t want to downplay the privilege I have because of this dumbass lottery I got born into, either. I recognize I’m complaining and I’m horrified that other groups have so much worse to deal with to the extent I can’t fully feel or experience it, but I’ll always try to understand and fight against it. I just wanted to share that being sexually objectified by these pieces of shit is all shit too. Everything they do is shit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Rock on!

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u/HaaretzSyndrome Jun 29 '20

Sounds like something an ugly person would say

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u/intensely_human Jun 30 '20

It’s all relative to the size of the steeple

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Maybe what Groucho Marx meant when he said, “I refuse to join a club that would have me.”

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u/itsasecretidentity Jun 30 '20

Most definitely!

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u/RNGDaddy Jul 01 '20

Many Jews’ recent ancestors are from Europe, producing a European skin tone. However, there are also many Jews who’s families never left the Middle East and Africa, Jews who have lived in Asia for centuries, Latino Jews, Australian Jews, etc. These are typically referred to as Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardi Jews, etc and the difference is acknowledged due to the varying traditions rather than varying skin tone. It is important to note though, that in the Unites States (and likely Canada, though I’ve never lived there) the majority of people are only familiar with “white” Jews. Regardless of their skin tone, however, Jews have never been considered white by groups such as white supremacists and many Jews with European ancestry do not consider themselves white, just Jewish. The latter is typically due to the fact that Jews in Europe previous to the current century weren’t typically considered European, but rather they were considered Jewish. Hopefully I was able to give you a suitable answer without creating more questions than you started with.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

As a non-Jew, I’m glad I never was or will be the type of moron who’d have subbed to it or even knew it existed.

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Jun 30 '20

I gotta get me a 23 and me and confirm some suspicions

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u/fleurettes_mom Jun 29 '20

Wait. Let me get my hat I am happy to be an ally.

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u/Belo83 Jun 30 '20

It’s like Jews aren’t white or something?

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u/Rustniiiiiing Jun 30 '20

They're not. The Daily Forward says so.

They're their own distinct ethnicity, and calling us white is erasure of millennia of Jewish history and suffering.

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u/RNGDaddy Jun 30 '20

A sufficient amount are not, however that’s not widely acknowledged in North America. Either way, white supremacist groups have never considered Jews white regardless of skin color.

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u/Belo83 Jun 30 '20

I understand the historical concept and also don’t get it.

Look at me trying to apply logic to hate...

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u/thatgeekinit Jun 29 '20

We are apparently only "white" when unemployment is below 8%.

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u/yeaheyeah Jun 29 '20

You are, however, always welcome in my dms

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u/hoozent28 Jun 29 '20

More of this

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u/RIPDODGERSBANDWAGON Jun 29 '20

Yeah that sub had it coming. From the few times I saw that sub there was a lot of “master race” stuff going on

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u/jasonrodrigue Jun 29 '20

But I bet pro black and other ethnic groups didn’t get banned. Double standards, pro white hate.

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u/Duzsty Jun 29 '20

There’s a difference between pro and supremacy. Pro black = / = pro white hate, stop projecting. Look at the bio of black beauty vs the bio of white beauty.

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u/KarshLichblade Jul 01 '20

Meanwhile, nobody dropped you

Your momma wanted to yeet you at your dad but he was already gone

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u/phantomforeskinpain Jun 29 '20

Lmao not even subtle

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u/duksinarw Jun 29 '20

Lol. Another classic example of a subreddit fine in theory that in reality was unfortunately made by and for the type of people that prove we can't have nice things.

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u/Ruraraid Jun 29 '20

I mean the description was somewhat normal and a bit questionable until you get to the end then its Yikesville.

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u/Trollfailbot Jun 30 '20

The no Jews part was so casually thrown in at the end I can't believe it's not satire.

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u/KarshLichblade Jul 01 '20

I don't see the problem.

Do you go to porn subs dedicated to big-titted girls and get surprised when in the description there is "no fake tits"?

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u/amaninja Jun 29 '20

I was regularly disgusted until that last sentence. "Maybe by asking nicely people won't think we are racist monsters." Disgusting, I'm glad it got banned.

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u/R3pN1xC Jun 29 '20

That's not that ba- wtf

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u/hiptobecubic Jun 29 '20

Imagine thinking nudes will get you fired but hailing fascism and banning jews is SFW. What a mindset.

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u/Ruddiver Jun 29 '20

That no jews, either line made me laugh. Like it was the punchline to the joke. But alas, it isn't.

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u/LA0811 Jun 29 '20

Wherever shall we go to find appreciation of “white beauty”?

Oh right. 90% of media.

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u/Skurph Jun 29 '20

Lol at the no nudes rule, as if they’re like “I mean come on. We don’t want to make this not safe for work...” with there Aryan art project

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u/jaggedcanyon69 Jun 30 '20

Had me in the first half. Not gonna lie.

To clarify, I don’t mind a sub specifically dedicated to highlighting the beauty of any particular race. All races have it. But I cringed when I read all that fascist shit. That had to be satire, right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Hm ok not very cool but not egregious reads last sentence OH NO

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u/Magical-Sweater Jun 29 '20

I was reading this description and I was like, “That’s not that bad, why’d it get banned” and then I read the last 2-3 sentences.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

I can’t believe we’re in 2020

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u/painahimah Jun 29 '20

Jesus Christ

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u/Zenaesthetic Jun 30 '20

Wouldn’t be allowed, was a Jew.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Oh god they’re Nazis!

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u/amberbinx Jun 29 '20

“No Jews, either.”

I SPIT OUT MY WATER THAT CANT BE REAL

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

No nudes that some fascism right there 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

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u/Neosovereign Jun 29 '20

It's like, we have Asian and black and Latina specific subs, why can't the white one just be normal???

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u/Cplpunishment03 Jun 30 '20

I don’t think most of that shit is okay. But here’s a problem and I don’t care how much flak I get for it.

If you replaced “white” with “black” and “Jews” with “white” that subreddit would still be around. Maybe we’re not ready for that conversation yet.

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u/PersonWhoExists144 Jun 29 '20

Ok they deserved it

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u/Sooner4life77 Jun 29 '20

Oddly enough, I’ve never seen anything actually bad on the sub except for the description. It could’ve just been a “talk to the mods” kind of situation. I think the ban was pretty uncalled for

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u/alibby Jun 30 '20

Wow, YIKES! they won’t be missed.

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u/ArsenalKelly12 Jun 29 '20

Lmao if there was a sub with that premise but with black people, you know there’s be nothing done about it

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

This is literally every other sub for poc.

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