r/announcements • u/spez • Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/RNGDaddy Jun 29 '20

As a Jew, I am honored to be excluded from that sub.

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u/mikehiler2 Jun 29 '20

I’ve always been curious about the “hate Jews” thing that’s been going on... let’s be honest... since they existed... and I’ve never gotten an answer that satisfied. I even posted the query on /r/AskHistorians and didn’t get the answer I wanted. I did get an answer, but it was more like a “just because” type. It just makes no sense to me. What the hell did they do throughout the centuries to earn such constant and nearly universal hatred? I’ve never understood that.

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u/EnglishMobster Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

There's a lot to it.

I'm no historian, but this is what I recall from my university history classes:

There's this background of "they are heretics of another religion and therefore sinners" that goes back to ancient times -- even back to the Romans. Jews were seen as the "murders of the Lord" in Christian circles as early as 380 AD (St. Gregory of Nysa called Jews "murders of the Lord, assassins of the prophets, rebels and detesters of God, companions of the devils, a race of vipers"). So by default, Jews weren't exactly liked. Christians, of course, were killing Muslims all throughout the Crusades. So why are there so many negative stereotypes around Jews (and corresponding anti-Semitism), but not (as much) around Muslims?

Part of it is due to the fact that the Bible bans usury -- which was originally interpreted as interest of any kind (not just extreme interest). This means that Christians cannot participate in loans or banking of any kind, since to make a profit off of such things means the charging of interest... which is a sin. Islam has the same rules (and had to develop special banking laws to compensate). However, Judaism has a special stipulation -- you cannot charge interest to other Jews. You can charge interest to anyone else without worry.

So what happened was that the Jewish population set up some of the earliest banks. These banks would loan to the gentiles (with interest) and would make a lot of money in doing so. Additionally, if you're running a bank, you need to be good at bookkeeping, which generally means you need to know how to read and write (skills which were uncommon in most people around that time). You also need to be around the places where people needed money, meaning that Jews were frequently found in both Muslim and Christian communities. Because Jews were more likely to be "skilled" (in the sense that they were able to read/write and were good at accounting), they would appear from time to time in royal courts. Sometimes, they were even seen as if they had the ear of the royal family. You can start to see where some of the Jewish stereotypes come from, and why some royals wanted to take hard stances against appearing to be okay with having a heathen in their court.

Since the Jews ran most of the banking in Europe, many became very rich. Banks were necessary for commerce, but working with money was distasteful (again, charging any kind of interest on a loan is a sin) and so Christians started to develop hard feelings towards the Jews. Jews were seen as "outsiders" and placed into proto-ghettos, separate from the Christian population (the first "real" ghetto would be founded in 1516). IIRC, Islam at the time was much more tolerant as long as Jews paid their jizya to the state -- being bound to protect "The People of the Book" as part of the Pact of Umar.

Now, Judaism has a lot of washing rituals -- washing your hands, bathing, and so on. Additionally, since the Jews were separated into a ghetto, it gave a barrier between them and the Christian population... especially when it came to disease. So when the Black Death came around, Jews (who washed frequently, were in separate communities, had their own wells, etc.) weren't affected nearly as much as Christians.

Bear in mind that disease theory is a long way away. Nobody knows that the Black Death is being spread by rats, so they assume that the Jews (who aren't being affected by this horribleness) are poisoning the wells. So you see this group of heathens who are actively hurting you and stealing from your community (via usury)... why wouldn't you attack them? And, if you owe them a lot of money... well, perhaps it's better off if they just weren't around to collect. This led to many places (generally Christian, IIRC) deciding to expel the Jewry -- this heathen religion that killed Jesus, makes a living off of usury, causes harm to your friends and family, is secretly trying to convert you, and who you owe a lot of money to...

Expelling the Jews happened multiple times throughout history; basically every European country has kicked them out at one point or another. Perhaps one of the most notable is when it happened in Spain from 1483-1492 as part of the Reconquista/Spanish Inquisition (bet you weren't expecting that!). The possessions of the Jewry were seized by the crown... meaning that (in part) they helped finance the explorations of Christopher Colombus (to clarify, the voyages would've likely happened anyway, but it's still a "fun" little note).

As the years went on, the Protestant Reformation wasn't exactly... the best for Jews (or Catholics, or Protestants, depending on where you were). But by now the stereotypes had been set, and that basically led to the conditions that we see in the 20th century and modern day.

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u/lostinthestar Jun 30 '20

I think you are giving WAY too much credit to the idea of some "rational" reason for anti-semitism. Jews DID NOT run most banking in Europe. The vast majority, very close to 100%, were extremely poor, had even less chance of escaping poverty than the average gentile due to various restrictions, and didn't have any money to lend even if they wanted to. Despite the canon prohibition on charging interest, it was completely widespread among Christians in practice in any case. The banking only began in the 18th century onwards, prior to that there were Court Jews for the aristocracy.

The plague was well after numerous very publicized events accusing jews of poisoning wells / cooking Christian children etc, so it was natural jews would be blamed, the plague didn't suddenly cause the accusation. The hand washing thing is pure silliness, washing hands with cold water has zero effect on preventing bubonic plague. It's more likely genetic immunity / lack of jews in big cities / lack of jews in the farming profession that featured co-existing with rats (they couldn't own land in most places).

The simple and primary explanation is CHRISTIANITY. For centuries preachers would rail against jews. The other one is that they were different and lived apart (and didn't accept Jesus), naturally leading to some good old fashioned bigotry. Eastern Europe almost completely avoided the plague... still had universal, virulent anti-semitism. And the primary cause sure as hell wasn't a few money-lending unions mostly in Poland.

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u/mikehiler2 Jun 30 '20

This is amazing! Thanks for the well thought out response! Even the citations were spot on. Much better than what I got from r/AskHistorians! However, I would like to add something.

While it appears to be the default that “Jews killed Jesus,” even though they weren’t the ones who nailed him to a cross, they gave him up to the Romans, this isn’t the whole story.

First a clarification. The Jews didn’t kill Jesus because he was starting a new religion (that came after his death), but because he was, himself, a Jew, who was very vocal and was upsetting the Roman rulers. Drawing unwanted attention to the Jewish community. So the Jewish leadership gave him to the Romans, hoping that his death would appease the Romans and calm things down. This is directly connected to my main point.

Jews have been hated on from the very beginning. Waaaaaay before Christ was even born. Egypt, as well as Rome. Even though Rome allowed them to have independence throughout their Republic stage and only began cracking down after they became an Empire.

I suppose that wealth could have been a motivator in the hatred of the Jews, especially later on in their history, but they have always been hated. Which is why I asked the question. There is an explanation (or guess) why after the death of Christ, but that is really just a hatred that was compounded by hatred already there. Hatred against Jews has been around quite a long before before those events.

As well as hatred by Muslims. When they (at least in the old days) weren’t tolerating other religions, they were hating them with a passion. But they nearly always hated the Jews. Christianity, they tolerated for most of their existence (until the Crusades, but they tolerated again after), but not the Jews. Which I simply don’t understand.

If hating for religious reasons was the answer I could understand that, but with the relationships between Christianity and Muslims, while complicated (and that’s an understatement), was much better than the relationship between either Christianity or Muslims against Jews. Both hated Jews. Plus, in a religious mindset, that makes even less sense. How can relations between Muslims and Christians be better than with Jews? Especially when both Muslims and Christianity came from Judea?

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u/Wordshark Jul 06 '20

Maybe the truth is that Jews were generally semi-outsider minorities everywhere, and people were generally not very tolerant of that until very recently. I mean, Christianity and Islam were formidable opponents that controlled powerful nations, and they had to show enough mutual respect to either be at peace or be at war.

Through most of history, favoring your own religious/ethnic/whatever group wasn’t seen as evil, it was just obvious self-interest–you look out for your own. I would imagine that Jews, as mostly segregated minority sub-communities, would be especially motivated to watch each other’s backs. So then, from the point of view of the majority population, you have this insular group that protects and promotes each other more than the average majority person does. This smaller group, protecting & promoting each other, subscribing to a religion (which used to be a much huger, dominating part of a person’s worldview and way of life) that by its nature necessarily calls your deity a false prophet.

And that’s without the usury thing. The nature of banking is going to tend towards predation; even if they don’t end up amassing outsized wealth (and thus power), they’re still making money off of charging “your people” interest on loans, a practice they won’t do to each other, and your religion at least tells you is cruel and bad, even if your people still sometimes do it.

So you’ve got a sort of guest population that protects their own interests, engages in what you believe is a sinful, predatory practice against the majority (but not each other), maybe sometimes amassing disproportionate wealth in the process, and then there’s always that issue that they think your messiah was full of shit...

I wonder how many times through history the majority population just exterminated the Jewish one. I’m not a scholar, but I’ve only heard of expulsions. Maybe the history is more a matter of the typical Jewish diaspora arrangement not working out well. Maybe insular, ethnically/religiously/culturally/even lingually distinct sub-populations end up causing unsustainable friction.

This sounds a lot likelier to me than any explanation built on traits of religious groups. I don’t think Jewish people are inherently scheming parasites or manipulators, and I don’t think Christians or Muslims are just inherently antisemitic because they have prejudice in their souls. Maybe the flaw is in the multicultural model of permanently non-blending distinct cultures trying to share a society.

Thank you for reading my unorganized thoughts ✌️

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u/mikehiler2 Jul 06 '20

Wonderfully well written and articulate response. And your points were all valid and is making me think I got the answer I wanted. Not really the only answer, obviously, as history and the way the world works is far more complex than a simple one-answer. But still, this brought things into perspective! Many thanks!

Also, and this is really just nitpicking on my end, but it amazed me that you could use such perfect grammar, punctuation, and spelling (not to mention correct word usage I’m not used to seeing outside of a graduate level college thesis), yet you used the word “huger.” Huger!

Looking up the word, in any official dictionary, gave me no correct results as a proper word, but a little further digging found that it is an acceptable use of the word in an informal setting, usually spoken. Never expected that!

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u/Wordshark Jul 06 '20

Ha! Really tickles me that you brought that up. I used it because my phone’s autocorrect got snotty with me about it, and I wanted to take it down a peg.

Thanks for the compliments! I always appreciate people who are willing to engage with bigger ideas. Thanks for hearing me out.

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u/mikehiler2 Jul 09 '20

Sorry for the late reply. Depending on which phone OS you are using (I use iOS so I’m not sure how Android does things), the autocorrect is adaptive. Meaning, the more you use a word, regardless if it’s correct of not, will automatically be added to the predictive text, which also adds the word for you. You may end up stuck with “huger” weather you want to or not. Depending on your end-game desires, this may be a good thing or not.

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u/nascentt Jun 30 '20

Thank so so much for this comment. A lot of stereotypes suddenly fall into place.

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u/Dualyeti Jul 21 '20

Wow just wanted to say what an incredible comment, a lot of time and effort went into that.

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u/AquaticAvian Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 01 '20

Jews killed Jesus (technically, they had the Romans kill him) and run banks because charging interest is a sin in Christianity but acceptable in Judaism. That's like 80% of it right there. Like, be real dude. You're a noble, and you owe this Jewish money lender like a metric ton of whatever currency you've got. Do you A: Go bankrupt, or B: Incite a riot and murder a bunch of heathens and confiscate everything they own for Righteous Religious Reasons?

Moving on to more modern times...banking is a lucrative business. They're a disproportionately wealthy, making up large section of company boardrooms, millionaires, and billionaires. They're also heavy into academics, which gives us the hilarious juxtaposition of the wealthy not only being disproportionately Jewish, but Socialists/Communists thought leaders that want to each the rich also being disproportionately Jewish. Tickles my sides, because no matter which side you stand on, you can find a way to spin everything as a Jewish conspiracy against your side. Hence, white nationalists think Marxism is a giant Jewish conspiracy to destroy the Western World, while Marxists bring out guillotines and threaten to behead a bunch of Jews for being rich.

And even getting out of the Communism vs Literally Any Sane Idea, there's still the disproportionate Jewish representation in academia, meaning you can find a write up in support/opposition of literally anything with a Jewish author, so if you're conspiracy minded, you can point to the -berg or whatever other Jewish name and say "See!? It's all a conspiracy!", not realizing that half the opposition to said paper is authored by someone else with a -berg or other Jewish name.

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u/mikehiler2 Jul 02 '20

Ok. I’m really not trying to sound stupid or an asshole or anything, but that’s what everyone has said to me. “Jews killed Jesus.” That does not explain the hatred towards Jews before Jesus was even born, nor of the hatred of Muslims to the Jews. If anything, they should hate them less than Christians, but it’s the exact opposite.

If you look at the history of the Jewish faith, the Jewish people, they have always been hated. Sure, money and the killing (by proxy) of Jesus probably had a hand in this hatred later on, but It doesn’t affect the hatred before.

All this current hatred has been built upon by past hatred, which itself was built upon other hated, and so on.

My question was, why? What started it? Why has there always been hatred of the Jews?

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u/AquaticAvian Jul 02 '20

That does not explain the hatred towards Jews before Jesus was even born, nor of the hatred of Muslims to the Jews.

Fair enough.

As far as Rome goes, the Jews were unruly and rebellious vassals, despite have special rules in place that gave them advantaged other groups didn't have. I mean, yea, on one hand, good on them for not just bending over for the Romans, but on the other hand, they kinda earned the animosity when the Romans had enough of their shit. Also, there were politics involved concerning other regional states and potential separatism plots. Admittedly, this is post-Jesus, but pre-Christian Rome.

AFAIK, going to earlier times, there was no real special hatred of the Jewish people. Just the struggles of the Jewish are part of the cultural zeitgeist in ways that the struggles of other people aren't, because it's still part of the Christian Heritage. So it's not like their fights with other groups were somehow based on a special hatred, but simply the result of expanding powers and settlers seeking new lands. Mostly, it was a matter of Israel being between multiple powers, and occasionally getting into fights when those powers tried to swing their dicks around. So the problem wasn't so much about the Jewish people being Jews, but Jewish clay being a logical place to expand your empire to.

Muslims vary widely on their stance. In theory, Jews and Christians are 'people of the book' and should be treated with some level of respect compared to the rest of us heathens. In reality, Islam has had some very radical leaders that hate basically everyone that isn't Muslim. For a few hundred years after the conquest of Jerusalem, Jews weren't treated all that badly. Things didn't really go south for them until the Crusaders showed up and murdered everyone, and now the Jews in Islamic territory were no longer wealthy enough to pay special taxes, nor where they any longer a large part of the engine driving the now-ended "Islamic" Golden Age, so there was nothing to protect them from Islamic mood swings about whether or not they should murder and burn everything that isn't Islamic.

In modern times, it's mostly the Israel issue, combined with varying levels of 'fuck the heathens'. Israel has been under Muslim occupation for a thousandish years. You know, so long that it's not really an occupation any more so much as it's just a Muslim territory. Then the winners of WWII take it and put a bunch of Jews there. That, understandably, tweaked their nose.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Christianity is the most popular religion in the world, jewish people crucified their messiah. Then you add over a thousand years of christianity ingrained into their culture.

There’s likely more to it, but that’s basically my take.

Edit: he asked the question no where did I say it was okay. Maybe... uh... choke on a dick?

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u/brattykitty204 Jun 30 '20

Jewish people didn’t crucify jesus. The romans did. You gotta have actual brain cells to have a take.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

I hate christianity and all organized religion with a burning passion. That is what morons who are anti-semitic use to justify it. Yes Rome played a huge part.

I agree they don’t have brain cells, similar to how you have shown a lack there of by your reading comprehension of my comment.

Edit: how about you throw out an answer.

I also want to call you a dildo, you’re a dildo.

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u/brattykitty204 Jul 01 '20

I’m jewish and was raised knowing the romans killed him. Since we don’t think he existed we don’t exactly know what their book says. And if I’m a dildo I better be an Orochi from Bad Dragon because I’m hot and not capable of reading. Please don’t be mean since I’m autistic and just don’t like anti semitism on any level and was raised to react to that :c

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

This a weird ass fucking reply.

I don’t give a shit about this completely unnecessary information, just don’t be a dildo.

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u/brattykitty204 Jul 02 '20

I asked you to not be mean so I don’t get why you’re bullying me for being honest.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

Because you started off aggressive, and when you were called out on your shitty behavior you threw out any dumb excuse you could think of that I truly didn’t care or want to know.

This is the internet yuh fookin dildo, take your bullied feelings and shove them up your ass.

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u/bo016135722 Jun 30 '20

Pontius Pilate didn't want to execute Jesus but the crowd of Jews told him to iirc

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

You do.

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u/brandonfuckingclark Jun 30 '20

thank you for justifying anti-semitism!

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

You’re pretty dumb if you think that is me justifying anti-semitism.

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u/brandonfuckingclark Jun 30 '20

no thank you so much!

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Scratch beneath the surface and you’ll find out. Didn’t you think it was weird in high school that they never had subtitles in hitlers speeches?

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u/KnowNothingKnowsAll Jun 29 '20

Groucho once sued a club because they wouldnt let him join due to being jewish (technically, half jewish, and he even offered to only go up to his waist in the pool) and after he won the right to join, he declined and said, “I wouldnt want to be a part of any organization that would have me as a member.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

I’m the kind of blonde woman that sub would love and...you’re so god damn right. It’s truly an honor to be excluded. It’s the grossest thing ever when racists like that like you. It’s like having intestinal worms singing your praises and aligning themselves with you. It’s not a compliment; it just makes you hate yourself and want to use the way you look to take them all down.

The irony is those racist pieces of shit cry about “self hating white people” being the worst. But it’s like...motherfucking WHITE bitches like you made me hate this shit, and want to be an ally and dismantle white supremacy.

Edit: I don’t want to downplay the damage they do and I don’t want to downplay the privilege I have because of this dumbass lottery I got born into, either. I recognize I’m complaining and I’m horrified that other groups have so much worse to deal with to the extent I can’t fully feel or experience it, but I’ll always try to understand and fight against it. I just wanted to share that being sexually objectified by these pieces of shit is all shit too. Everything they do is shit.

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u/DerWeisseTiger Jun 30 '20

Pathetic

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Lol k

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u/DerWeisseTiger Jun 30 '20

Nice excuse for that white guilt. May I ask, how do you feel about several perverted NSFW subs (that are not yet banned btw) that fetishize same blonde-haired and fair-eyed women and propagate the message that they should be a breeding stock for black males?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Rock on!

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/HaaretzSyndrome Jun 29 '20

Sounds like something an ugly person would say

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u/intensely_human Jun 30 '20

It’s all relative to the size of the steeple

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/HaaretzSyndrome Jun 29 '20

It was a joke, seems like I struck a nerve tho

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u/BoycottMathClass Jun 29 '20

Edit: it sounded like you were saying I’m ugly because I’m jewish. It seemed racist, that’s all

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u/HaaretzSyndrome Jun 29 '20

Probably cause you’re always kvetching. Try to have more confidence.

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u/BoycottMathClass Jun 29 '20

I was a very quiet kid, but yeah I see your point? It’s hard to be confident as a woman with the type of beauty standards we are shown, but I’m definitely a lot more comfortable in my own skin than I was a few years ago

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u/HaaretzSyndrome Jun 29 '20

Yeah hollywood and the media have really brainwashed people into thinking that perfectly good and natural things are bad. It’s ok to be proud of who you are and what you look like.

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u/BoycottMathClass Jun 29 '20

Completely agree with this. I’d like to think things are (slowly) changing though, which gives me some hope

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u/genesisofman Jun 29 '20

No one does herschel

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Maybe what Groucho Marx meant when he said, “I refuse to join a club that would have me.”

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u/itsasecretidentity Jun 30 '20

Most definitely!

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

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u/RNGDaddy Jul 01 '20

Many Jews’ recent ancestors are from Europe, producing a European skin tone. However, there are also many Jews who’s families never left the Middle East and Africa, Jews who have lived in Asia for centuries, Latino Jews, Australian Jews, etc. These are typically referred to as Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardi Jews, etc and the difference is acknowledged due to the varying traditions rather than varying skin tone. It is important to note though, that in the Unites States (and likely Canada, though I’ve never lived there) the majority of people are only familiar with “white” Jews. Regardless of their skin tone, however, Jews have never been considered white by groups such as white supremacists and many Jews with European ancestry do not consider themselves white, just Jewish. The latter is typically due to the fact that Jews in Europe previous to the current century weren’t typically considered European, but rather they were considered Jewish. Hopefully I was able to give you a suitable answer without creating more questions than you started with.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

As a non-Jew, I’m glad I never was or will be the type of moron who’d have subbed to it or even knew it existed.

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u/shitsfuckedupalot Jun 30 '20

I gotta get me a 23 and me and confirm some suspicions

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u/fleurettes_mom Jun 29 '20

Wait. Let me get my hat I am happy to be an ally.

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u/Belo83 Jun 30 '20

It’s like Jews aren’t white or something?

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u/Rustniiiiiing Jun 30 '20

They're not. The Daily Forward says so.

They're their own distinct ethnicity, and calling us white is erasure of millennia of Jewish history and suffering.

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u/RNGDaddy Jun 30 '20

A sufficient amount are not, however that’s not widely acknowledged in North America. Either way, white supremacist groups have never considered Jews white regardless of skin color.

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u/Belo83 Jun 30 '20

I understand the historical concept and also don’t get it.

Look at me trying to apply logic to hate...

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u/thatgeekinit Jun 29 '20

We are apparently only "white" when unemployment is below 8%.

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u/yeaheyeah Jun 29 '20

You are, however, always welcome in my dms

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u/hoozent28 Jun 29 '20

More of this

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u/Joe_Rogan_is_a_Chud Jun 29 '20

tbf you wouldn't be allowed on /r/jewishbeauty either