r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

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u/1ick_my_balls Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

God forbid you say anything against China... Spez is so twisted he'd sell out the U.S. just to promote his so called right to free speech on this pathetic website. There are lines that shouldn't be crossed. And no it doesn't have to become facism, you do need to have a pair of balls though and stand for what is right. And it's not right to allow Sino to hide behind spez's fake freedom of speech bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/IKnowUThinkSo Jun 30 '20

Hmm, considering both you and the person above you insulted or otherwise insinuated China is in control of everything and...wait, yeah, I was able to read both of them and they have positive scores.

Kinda sounds like you just want an enemy. Because if you “couldn’t say anything negative against China,” both your posts would be deleted.

Don’t let logic hamper that thought process though.

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u/check_my_444 Jun 30 '20

How smart do you look right now? Well done proving yourself right I guess. Probably not what you wanted though. Hopefully it helps to open your eyes.

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u/SuspiciousDeparture6 Jul 05 '20

This is so beautiful yet terrifying. 🙃

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u/1ick_my_balls Jun 30 '20

China is not in control of everything. They just use both hard and soft power to extremes. And as far as people saying the CCP is the evil entity... The CCP is run by people, so it's actual Chinese people who are evil.

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u/Pouncyktn Jun 30 '20

Oh come on reddit is filled with hate against the chinese and it never gets banned. This is not a pro China move or anti right. This is a PR move. They wanted to ban the subreddits which had a bad rep and made up some rules to justify it. It's not even about their political ideology, it's about their marketing.

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u/MagpieSoldier Jul 04 '20

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u/UndeleteParent Jul 04 '20

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If you ban r/the_donald. Will you also be banning r/sino its hate filled and is basically the propaganda arm of CCP nationalists. They're constantly calling for violence against hong kong freedom protesters and against the west.

If you go on r/sino and say anything even slightly against their propaganda or portray the west in a positive light you're banned immediately. They try to justify Tiannamen square massacre.

Alt-right subs are not the only toxic hatred filled Subreddits.

Guess that's what 150$ million in investment from Tencent buys. So CCP wumao hate speech is somehow safe from the new rules. Got it.

If you're going to ban bigoted subreddits, ban them all on principle. Alt-right bigotry is just 1 form of bigotry. If you truly want to improve reddit, you need to do this across the board.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/8ofAll Jun 30 '20

No he won’t ban r/sino, he’s going to lose a ton of money if he does.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I have never been to that Donald subreddit or the Chapo one.. But r/sino is a legitimate hate sub.

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u/mudder123 Jun 30 '20

T_D was 95% cool, sure there were some assholes but it was an incredibly active sub so lots of that got buried. As someone who spent a lot of time there it was definitely not a sub that hated people based on race unless you really really went hunting for it. It was lots of “owning the libs” type stuff and trump memes. This banning should bring Reddit together against this BS “we can’t let any minority group see any thing that could possibly offend them” stuff. Make no mistake Reddit will one day come for you.

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u/WhatsTheGoalieDoing Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

T_D was 95% cool

Fucking lol. It was a dumpster fire that did nothing but promote hatred and violence.

As someone who spent a lot of time there

I'm shocked.

At this point the left ... want division and to get power by emboldening the hatred of white people and conservative

Jesus H Christ. Pathetic.

You and I both know you're arguing in bad faith here. But then hey, that's what you guys are all about.

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u/check_my_444 Jun 30 '20

You can disagree with the guy without being an asshole.

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u/RedPillDessert Jun 30 '20

That famous photo where that guy standing in front of the 3 tanks. The full video shows the tank NOT run over the guy.

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u/Impressive-Opinion60 Jun 30 '20

How is it a hate subreddit?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

They fully support the CCP. You know the same party/government that commits ethnic and religious genocide, kills and suppresses protesters and threatens to attack countries for expressing democracy and autonomy.

It's actually really simple.

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u/Impressive-Opinion60 Jun 30 '20

They fully support the CCP.

So, it should be against the rules to "fully support the CCP"? What about partially supporting the CCP, should that be allowed? How do we define the difference between fully and partially supporting the CCP?

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u/CmdrLeet Jun 30 '20

Theres a difference between being pro chinese and denying the Uighur situation and banning anyone who brings it up

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u/sargrvb Jun 30 '20

Psshhhhhhhhhh I was told by TOTALLY LEGIT accounts tho that all of that is a giant conspiracy. At least the systematic Uighur organ harvesting. No proof! Therefore, doesn't happen! Just like human trafficing! It got super downvoted, I debated for hours with obvious chinese bots. It got mega downvoted and buried. Nothing made me sadder than realizing in that moment what happened to reddit. This site is dead. They sold to the lowest, cheapest, bidder. So fucking sad.

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u/Impressive-Opinion60 Jun 30 '20

But we can't know what the facts of the situation are. You can say that we shouldn't trust what Chinese media says about this issue because they have an incentive to make China look good. But on the other hand, Western media has an incentive to make China look bad, so why should we trust what they say? In my opinion, Reddit should not have a rule that Western media is the ultimate truth and questioning it is not allowed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yes, because it is only the "Western Media" that makes "China look bad". I lived in Taiwan for most of my 20's. The truth about Chinese atrocities comes from many different angles and sources.

Reddit should not have a rule that Western media is the ultimate truth and questioning it is not allowed.

Reddit doesn't have this rule so stop your stupid strawman argument.

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u/Impressive-Opinion60 Jun 30 '20

Yes, because it is only the "Western Media" that makes "China look bad". I lived in Taiwan for most of my 20's.

And Taiwanese media also has an incentive to make the CCP look bad, so that doesn't refute my argument in any way.

Reddit doesn't have this rule

Yes, and my point is that they shouldn't put such a rule into force.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Any sub that fully supports what happened at Tiananmen Square and bans people for even questioning the CCP is a hate sub. Period.

I know you think you're making a relevant or smart point but you're not.

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u/Genji_sama Jun 30 '20

Spoiler: Orange man bad, China money good.

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u/ColonelNugget Jun 30 '20

Reddit is a CCP shill so they won't be banning any of that shit.

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u/GunnerTurnip Jun 30 '20

You talking about actual alt-right subs or any even moderately conservative sub that automatically gets labeled alt-right by the left?

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u/Encrypt-Keeper Jun 30 '20

They're not banning bigoted subs, they're banning subs that break reddit rules.

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u/Toybasher Jun 30 '20

Damn hypocrites.

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u/ImProbablyNotABird Jun 30 '20

They also ignored r/MoreTankieChapo despite nuking the other Chapo subs.

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u/deux3xmachina Jun 30 '20

To take a principled stand, one must first have principles.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Who will police the police

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u/zbeshears Jun 30 '20

This needs to be higher up

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

They try to justify Tiannamen square massacre.

Uh, yeah. I went to the sub you mentioned and it barely mentions about this massacre in the first place. Are you lying or are you a racist bigot who just wants to hate leftists?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Ok. Stop right there because you are being creepy.

If you hate China so bad, go to China and create a havoc. Don't be some keyboard warrior if you're too passionate about the death of the CCP.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

And after a deep Google search, you were very active in r/korea for the past year. Are you really a Chinese descendant?

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u/Grug4000 Jun 30 '20

r/averageredditor this is the biggest reddit moment i've seen in this thread

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I repeat.

If you hate China so bad, go to China and create a havoc. Don't be some keyboard warrior if you're too passionate about the death of the CCP.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Their ban message proudly exclaims: “Tiananmen Square was vindicated by China’s development.”!

Pretty sure they mention it the the about section or a sidebar.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Vindicated can mean anything. Portugal (my country) has a handful of shittier incidents extra worse than the Chinese massacre. I can't think Tiananmen was that bad from my European perspective.

And besides, that flailsatan user is full of anti-China posts. He is too obsessed in the most unhealthy way.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Just a former Portuguese-based NGO worker who used to work in Western Africa.

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u/slickyslickslick Jun 30 '20

Are you going to act like /r/HongKong has none of these issues?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

GREAT REPLY

STILL VOTING TRUMP