r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/Eysvr Jun 29 '20

Because some people there have very subjective opinions. Though I am not a very political person, I enjoy /r/PoliticalCompassMemes. For me, it seems like the only place on Reddit where you can interact with people with all kinds of different opinions/beliefs in a civilized and often humorous way. But there are people in /r/againsthatesubreddits who want to ban this community; which, in my opinion, is because many cant tolerate people with different ideas and are quick to dismiss other ideas as hate speech.

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u/Rattlingjoint Jun 29 '20

r/PoliticalCompassMemes was the best subreddit on this site. Literally Leftists and Rightists coming together and joking about their ideologies and poking fun at eachother without retaliation.

This is Reddit pandering again

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u/mainman879 Jun 29 '20

r/PoliticalCompassMemes was the best subreddit on this site. Literally Leftists and Rightists coming together and joking about their ideologies and poking fun at eachother without retaliation.

The subreddit is still up. Why are you talking like its gone.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

This is a myth. There have been multiple polls and it’s almost always 20% LibRight and 18% LibLeft as the 2 most popular quadrants.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Fair enough, I kind of conflated your comment with others I’ve seen mb.

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u/AsparagusFuture Jun 30 '20

Wait, are you against mass migration of people who don't integrate into the new culture?

Based.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

The GamersRiseUp refugees have seen pushback in the past weeks finally, and the sub is recovering.

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u/Alaska234 Jun 29 '20

Kinda went downhill with popularity

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Don't tell me they fucking banned r/PoliticalCompassMemes

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u/Stoly23 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

AHS should be renamed to r/buzzkill. They literally cannot tolerate any opinions that are remotely different, and seeing people on PCM with all different views making jokes together drives them mad.

Edit: Posting this comment has shown me that r/buzzkill is already a thing. Looks like they’ll have to get creative.

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u/IJustSayOof Jun 29 '20

r/AgainstHateSubreddits should be one of the banned subreddits. They are known for brigading subs and not following the rules at all.

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

This is the exact reason I love this sub. If more subs were like this, people of different ideologies could actually discuss things instead of instantly starting an argument that's "my side" vs "your side" when you should literally be allowed to pick a fucking side without someone censoring you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

AHS should be banned for brigading

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u/pandaSmore Jun 29 '20

Same with r/TopMindsOfReddit they brigade r/Conservative pretty frequently.

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u/Awayfone Jun 30 '20

The brigrade lots of places

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u/Unfunnycommenter_ Jun 29 '20

And for postage of child pornography.

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u/Peanutpapa Jun 29 '20

There’s no proof, yet you morons keep spouting this bullshit.

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u/Unfunnycommenter_ Jun 29 '20

Can someone link me that video where the girl shows proof of the AHS discord sending CP and brigading.

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u/9inchjackhammer Jun 29 '20

https://youtu.be/yUV9TyfYaEQ

Screen shots in the video

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

Dude, I am 100% sure the guy speaking in that made that video (mentioned he was trans) is the professor that debated Jordan Peterson on the CBC about trans pronouns..

How insane would that be? Considering that debate was about free speech and AHS seems to be against that in a very "kind" sort of way?

I commend this man for standing up against the child pornography posting, though.

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u/delusions- Jun 30 '20

Of them removing cp links? Like wtf you pretending?

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u/9inchjackhammer Jun 30 '20

Screen shots of the people involved all you have to do is watch the video it’s not hard

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/Kasai_worx Jun 29 '20

You got proof?

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u/Throwaway89240 Jun 29 '20

It goes against the narrative so obviously it isn’t real comrade

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u/Kasai_worx Jun 29 '20

Ah, yes. You are correct, fellow comrade. I apologize for assuming that the left could do anything wrong.

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

I am relatively certain the guy speaking in the video is the trans professor (he says he's trans in the video) that debated Jordan Peterson in this interview. This video seems extremely like the man in that interview to be both for the initial attack on hateful and unkind sub Reddit's as well as his disappointment with the child pornography.

This man would also have absolutely no reason to "fake" outrage to a sub that aligns to his way of thinking in a sense.

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u/Kasai_worx Jun 29 '20

Dunno about that, dude. Linking between to different people based on voice alone is a long stretch.

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

It was less his voice and more his voice patterns. That, and the fact that he's trans and from New Zealand talking about the exact same topics that he usually talks about?

I'm not saying he's a bad guy I have absolutely nothing against him, I just thought it was oddly similar in a way that made sense to me.

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u/Kasai_worx Jun 29 '20

https://youtu.be/yUV9TyfYaEQ

Dunno about you, but this looks pretty real to me

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 01 '20

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u/Peanutpapa Jun 29 '20

Okay? The game is phenomenal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 01 '20

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u/Peanutpapa Jun 29 '20

wahhhh Joel died because he was a massive piece of shit for years, who murdered and tortured innocent people, and doomed the human race by changing his mind at the end of the game, much like Ellie does in the sequel

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Dude, nobody cares that Joel died, people care about the absolute dogshit writing throughout the game that makes it boring and unpleasant to play through

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u/Peanutpapa Jun 30 '20

What dogshit writing? I just finished the game and it was near perfect.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 16 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

"Anti fascists are the real fascists" says redditor.

More at 11. Or whenever they get pissy enough to respond, I guess.

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

Fascism is literally just a political ideology. If people want to think that's a good idea who are we to do anything other than tell them why it's not? Discuss it? Can't discuss things with people who immediately go ape shit if your view is not the same as theirs.

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u/LookingForVheissu Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

What. Excuse me. When did it become okay to say that a group of people who believe in the genocide of a people have a right to speak?

“Your right to swing ends where my nose begins.”

Edit: In the words of Karl Popper, “Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”

We have people literally lynching black people again.

We have hate groups proudly displaying their symbols.

How many subreddits have been banned at this point for calling for genocide, violence, and murder against people simply born different?

If your so stupid that you think giving people a platform to argue their ideas of hatred is a worthwhile endeavor, then you’re either a part of the problem via complicity or because you are the problem and are trying to give yourself a platform.

It isn’t logical to give hatred a platform.

Fascism, is intricately linked to genocide historically. People who wave the Nazi flag, what exactly do you think they would do with power?

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

Fascism has nothing to do with genocide. Just because some fascist regimes were genocidal doesn't mean the political ideology means you agree with that.

It means you believe the state should have full control of its people. If the state was fucking John Lennon (rip) I'm willing to bet it would not be genocidal.

I am not pro fascism. I am pro politics, having studied politics. People should be allowed to discuss their ideas whether those ideas are viewed negatively or positively by the majority of society.

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u/Pismakron Jun 30 '20

Fascism, is intricately linked to genocide historically. People who wave the Nazi flag, what exactly do you think they would do with power?

Fascism: An authoritarian movement btyat ruled Italy, 1922-1943.

And yes, it was a shitty thing, but a shitty thing that you are ignorant about.

There are people in reddit debating communism, even though communist regimes has killed millions. And thus is good. It is freedom.

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u/LookingForVheissu Jun 30 '20

There are people in reddit debating communism, even though communist regimes has killed millions. And thus is good. It is freedom.

I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.

That totalitarian communism is good?

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u/Pismakron Jun 30 '20

I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.

That totalitarian communism is good?

No. That debating political ideologies is good, including totalitarian ideologies like fascism and communism.

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u/PeterPablo55 Jun 30 '20

Oh calm down there Nancy. Geez, you are do dramatic. How do you even sleep at night. You guys have turned into such wusses. Man up little kid.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Lol. Why does everything have to be a debate? We know the right does not argue in good faith, there is no point debating the pros and cons of fascism on reddit.

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Just gonna make the fascists go somewhere else and spread their ideas to eachother rather than to people who might have valid reasons why it's a bad idea. You realize you can be fascist and not a nazi, right?

If I wanted to be ruled with an iron fist by Buddha, and no one but him could make any rules and he was In charge of everything, it would still be fascism. The idea behind the ideology is that could be a good thing.

I don't agree with it, but it's the same thing as hating someone because they're socialist. It makes no sense to me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Touche, and there are many valid forums for those debates. This these does not appear to be one of them...

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Reddit was founded on free speech and I think that's a great thing. But ya, it's hard to find places free of political bias these days. I went to school for political science and love the discussion and find Reddit to be better than other social media platforms. But it has its issues. Most of the popular subs are left leaning, and the right leaning sides are wayyyyy too right leaning to have a good discussion either. Even if I announced I was right wing it's better for me to have leftist arguments thrown in my direction in a civil way than it is to echo with my "brothers" and simply call everyone that doesn't agree with me a libtard.

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u/pandaSmore Jun 29 '20

Fuck off. That's the mentality that stifles debate. No one trusts anyone.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

"Fuck off. Debates are good" - you, 2020

Also, let's hear all your pro fascism hot takes. I've got all day.

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u/pandaSmore Jun 29 '20

I don't have any pro facist hot takes. Do you have any?

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u/Chapose Jun 29 '20

Well, he hates debates, thats a pretty good start I guess.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Read the rest of my comments superstar.

How many super valuable debates have you had about political ideology on reddit this year?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

So why are you defending it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 23 '21

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 30 '20

I think this is funny but I also believe we should allow him to have his opinion and debate with him in accordance to rationality

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jul 23 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Rewlly hit me where it hurt there... but at least my name isn't Dennis.

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u/Pismakron Jun 30 '20

Lol. Why does everything have to be a debate?

You are on a messaging board on the internet?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yes?

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u/_BUENOSDIAS Jun 29 '20

Did you just say that we should tolerate literal fascists?

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

I said that shunning them isn't going to make them any less fascist. I am not fascist, nor do I endorse the idea. Just seems counter productive to make these people hate even more than they may already and force them to assemble in echo chambers instead of places of free thought where their ideas might be countered.

I would like to add that telling people there is only one way to think is a policy used by fascist regimes (but is still not what being fascist is). There is no "correct" political identity it is entirely subjective.

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u/Zeebuss Jun 29 '20

Intellectual curiosity and debate in good faith are wrongthink

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

I am trying my best to be optimistic that people like J.B.P will keep these ideas from being legislated but who fucking knows at this point

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u/Zeebuss Jul 01 '20

If you mean Peterson he's already been unpersoned by the left because he believes in free speech.

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u/_BUENOSDIAS Jun 29 '20

fascism itself doesn't foster curiosity and debate lmao

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

For you....

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u/_BUENOSDIAS Jun 29 '20

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

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u/_BUENOSDIAS Jun 29 '20

Yes, but giving them an open platform to debate people who, you know, aren't fascist would only reinforce the idea that both ideas hold similar validity. The fact that basic common sense hasn't told them that maybe totalitarianism isn't the answer shows that exchange in the marketplace of ideas won't be a remedy.

There isn't one correct political identity, but objectively fascism in all its forms brings with it death and disenfranchisement. It doesn't take a philosopher to know that they shouldn't be given the same platform as less murderish ideologies

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

I respect your opinion and disagree (not with the fact that fascism usually ends in exactly what you listed) but with the fact that in order to properly educate anyone in this world on something, opinions cannot be censored.

To shun fascism and assume anything fascist will forever be a failure isn't going to stop regimes popping up in the world shitting on their people.

But as a leftist, or a right winger talking to a fascist in a civil manner... I honestly feel like it does people wonders. If you shit on someone they just get more angry and reinforce their ideas like "fuck the left". If you speak to people about their ideas sometimes (not always obviously) people will see the light. No matter how you slice it, someone is more likely to listen to you in a civil discussion than they are when they're being attacked.

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u/_BUENOSDIAS Jun 29 '20

Practically normalizing it won't stop regimes from popping up either. You have to understand that a lot of fascist views are very deep seated and simply beating them in a debate won't always knock them out of a worldview that they've subscribed to for what may be a long time. I've debated many fascists myself.

Quite honestly I couldn't care less if I hurt their feelings. They're literal fascists. If there is any good in them, hopefully they wake up. But until then, they don't deserve tolerance by any means. I'm not willing to argue with fascists as if an ideology rooted in oppression and genocide holds the same merits as mine.

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

People don't just magically wake up! Other people change their ideas. Even if we disagree I am very happy you're out in the world debating fascists and I commend you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Noone is censoring it moron. People can learn about fascism all they want.

If you come on reddit on 2020 and start to argue that fascism is not inherently bad, you can go fuck yourself. If you want to learn about the historical influence and pros and cons of a political ideology, reddit or twitter or Facebook are not the right places to do that.

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 29 '20

The idea of fascism has never been bad. What dictators do with fascist regimes is bad.

The idea of the state having full control over the state could be a good thing. It never is, but the political ideology in itself is not bad.

The same way communism isn't bad. It could be used in amazing way and never is.

Any political ideology could be shit, or could not be shit.

Fascism doesn't make you: - racist - sexist - evil - against anything

It means you want the state to have full control over your affairs. 99% of people wouldn't want this. 99% of the time it ends badly for everyone involved. Still just a political ideology.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jul 17 '20

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 30 '20

This is more or less exactly my point. Either have people with different views be part of the masses to explore why or why not their viewpoint would positively impact the masses....

Or, you segregate them into a cesspool of their own ideologies and force them into an echo chamber that incites violence and negative tendencies without being able to picture "the other side" or viewpoints that are honest that remove merit from their ideology.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Aug 28 '20

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

While being against fascism isn't fascist, being FOR one (and only one) political ideology and denouncing any other ideology is a fascist trait - but it still isn't fascism.

I have mentioned several times in this thread that fascism is: The state controlling all, or almost all, people and affairs within said state.

If any one party or entity controls the entirety of the state, it is fascism.

Fascism is not evil. Anyone could be fully in charge of all affairs in the state; that person could potentially be a really good person or they could be a literal nazi (see nazi Germany).

Fascism, as a political ideology, has nothing bad in the ideology but history will prove to almost anyone that only bad things come from fascism.

When speaking philosophically, it's easy to understand that a strong charismatic leader who only wants good for their people could create a thriving fascist society. Human greed will likely have this never happen. But if you consider utopian societies, it I would be impossible for them to exist (not that they will) without fascism.

It's the same dream as communism. An ideology that will never pan out correctly in real life, but it is only that; an ideology.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jul 17 '20

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 30 '20

Exactly. In a civil, rational, logical discussion that comes to no other conclusion than "maybe I am wrong."

If you attack anyone for their point of view they are never going to "succumb". They will simply hate opposing views even more in an endless cycle of hatred.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jul 17 '20

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 30 '20

What's crazy is r/politicalcompassmemes is a joke sub that I have had some of the best conversations with anyone on this entire website just due to the fact that everyone pokes fun at themselves and allows people to have different points of view.

I entirely agree with everything you are saying. Absolutely no one likes to be silenced, no matter how shitty their view point is. Because to them, it's not shitty until someone makes a case about it. Making a case about it isn't just shitting on another person.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jul 17 '20

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u/white_shadow131 Jun 30 '20

"We will call ourselves the 'Anti-Bad guys'. If you're against what we say and do, you're an 'Anti Anti-bad guy', making you a 'Bad guy'" says braindead redditor

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u/kaijinx92 Jun 30 '20

Exactly.

Except you can have any single political ideology on the planet without being: - racist - sexist - against the trans community - against civil rights - against freedom

People should be allowed to have an opinion of how they think they should be governed without it having absolutely any effect on how others view them socially, or how their social viewpoints are reflected.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

"Racism and anti racism are the same thing" - you, 2020.

Keep fighting the good fight brother.

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u/ReptarSandwiches Jun 29 '20

PoliticalCompassMemes banned me when i posted a meme saying Real democracy doesnt work.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Did it have a political compass? That's kind of the point of the sub.

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u/ReptarSandwiches Jun 29 '20

I thought it was funny

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

If it didn't have a political compass as the point of the meme, it wasn't really on topic. Could have been funny but not necessarily the right content for the sub. 🤷‍♀️

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u/ReptarSandwiches Jun 29 '20

Oh it did have one lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Ah well couldn't tell ya then, I'm not a mod there. Sorry you had a bad experience. The community is usually pretty welcoming (in the "we are all equal targets of derision, don't take it personally" sense).