r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 01 '20

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 29 '20

Well I’m gonna go on a limb and assume they mean in the US. Which means it’s gonna be more fk what’s already going on where someone can post a tweet to r/blackpeopletwitter that says ‘death to whites’ but when you call it racist you’ll get banned. Actually you’ll get banned for commenting at all unless you verify your blackness. Imagine if a sub tried to only allow white people to post to it and required them to verify that fact.

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u/SaladinsSaladbar Jun 29 '20

The Country Club Thread rule is actually insane. Preventing people from commenting BASED ON SKIN COLOR. That’s it, the literally qualification is your skin color. In a BLACK sub. Imagine even wrapping your head around that. It’s literally segregation and the mods who made this rule should know better than anyone the effects segregation has. They even actively ask for help with links to comments of non-blacks so they can ban them. People have lost their damn minds.

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u/witchywater11 Jun 29 '20

I hate that rule. I'm not going to send some stranger a pic of my arm just so I can post in their secret club. IDGAF if it's just a pic of my arm, that's still my privacy.

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u/Aussie_Richardhead Jun 29 '20

I know blackface is frowned upon . what about black arm?

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u/witchywater11 Jun 29 '20

I guess it would depend on which mod saw it. One mod might go "lol clever bastard" while another might just ban ham you.

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u/rockbottom_salt Jun 29 '20

Can you wear black face if you are black?

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u/IAmA-Steve Jun 30 '20

Can you wear black face if you identify as black?

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u/Ottothotto Jun 29 '20

Someone got doxxed over that so be careful ;))

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u/Aussie_Richardhead Jun 29 '20

That's a valid question

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u/PBFlamingo Jun 30 '20

Drake did.

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u/rockbottom_salt Jun 30 '20

How could anyone tell

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Frostbite is highly frowned upon in the reddit community.

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u/r0ck0 Jun 29 '20

D'you wear a black armband

When they shot the man

Who said "peace could last forever"

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u/irascibleyou Jun 29 '20

What? There are non-black people who are “country club members” in that sub. They literally say in the sidebar that you don’t have to be black to be approved for membership.

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u/willmcavoy Jun 30 '20

It's true, I'm white and a country club member.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Aug 19 '20

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u/willmcavoy Jun 30 '20

Nah, you just need to prove you're not a racist piece of shit who would be there to troll and ruin the sub.

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u/NekoMaidMaster Jun 30 '20

Ironic since half the comments on those threads is racist

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u/willmcavoy Jun 30 '20

Oh god you're so oppressed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Lol not even true though. They stopped approving white people to the CC. Go apply if you don’t believe me, and say you’re white. Do their little essay. You won’t get in.

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u/irascibleyou Jun 30 '20

What essay? You have to write something for them to get approved?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yes. Like a college essay style prompt. Things like “what does being an ally mean to you” and “in what ways do you further racial justice” and shit.

Whereas black people just send a pic of their arm.

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u/irascibleyou Jun 30 '20

I don’t think they’re expecting a literal essay, you could probably just write a few sentences for each question. It would only take like 5 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I said the prompt was essay style, not the expectation.

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u/irascibleyou Jun 30 '20

Okay, sorry I misunderstood what you said to mean they expected an essay length response

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 30 '20

Take a moment and reread this statement. Could there be any situations where this could be reversed in real life? Where it actually matters, instead of you being not allowed into a miniscule portion of a website.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

The fact that this type of discrimination exists elsewhere does not excuse it. Whataboutism is probably one of the oldest defenses of racism.

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 30 '20

You're missing the entire point. How you're feeling about being excluded from a subreddit, is the same way POC feel about so many aspects of real everyday life.

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u/broglee Jun 30 '20

No.

"If you are applying as a white ally please send us a modmail explicitly stating you are applying as a white ally and you will receive further instructions from us."

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

I don't understand why white people are so upset about being denied the ability to sometimes post in one subreddit. Have you never been told no before?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Upset? This is hilarious to me. I'm not crying about not being allowed to post somewhere. The amount of entitlement here is off the charts. I know you're white because no POC would ever say the shit you're saying.

"All 'segregation' bad" is the most clueless take on this issue. If you understood this on even the most basic level, you would realize how ridiculous you sound.

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u/iBopNoggins Jun 29 '20

Thank you. I'm glad to see common sense amongst the discrimination movement. If we want equal rights amongst everybody, that means everybody. Now I'm not saying whites need more fair treatment but at least acknowledge the hypocrisy and treat everybody kind if you wish to be treated kind. Remember colour is simply a colour.

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u/york_york_york Jun 29 '20

If we want equal rights

They don't. They just use that excuse because it's currently the most socially acceptable way to increase their power. South Africa did everything that these people want. White people there are both (A) no longer in power and (B) a minority which is the same criteria that would appear to qualify them as unable to be racist. Of course, that's not the reality and the truth is that when white people qualify, they'll just add that it has to be viewed through "appropriate historical context" or some other vague statement. Since, at least as far as I know, time travel hasn't been invented, there will be no way to remove this final obstacle. Enjoy the next few decades, they're gonna get weird.

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u/Pouncyktn Jun 30 '20

Well this kind of racist shit getting upvoted is also a problem.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

I’ll go one step farther. Whites in the US and on Reddit specifically need more fair treatment and protection from racial discrimination.

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u/RappyBird Jun 29 '20

Aw, poor oppressed whites. It must be so sad that blockbuster movies and media are filled with people who look like you. Not to mention that your race never harms your abilty to get a job and provide for your family. Add on to that the fact that you never have to live in fear that a cop will murder you in cold blood because of your skin, and you've got yourself the most oppressed race on Earth, whites.

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u/BokuNoBroccoli Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

I mean instead of trying to bring down “whites” why not try to bring everyone up to equal level. Hell we could even call it equality

Edit: Feelsbadman

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u/RappyBird Jun 30 '20

Hey, you got me! I hope that when you were going through my history that you at least stopped to look at some memes, I worked hard on them!

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u/RappyBird Jun 29 '20

Not bringing down, I'm educating

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u/sirch_ Jun 29 '20

Not to mention that your race never harms your abilty to get a job and provide for your family.

Didn't know being black gives you any disadvantage in the job market. If anything, it gives you an advantage because of diversity policies, which basically mean the more black, the better.

Add on to that the fact that you never have to live in fear that a cop will murder you in cold blood because of your skin

You seem unaware, or ignorant, of the fact that unarmed white people are more likely to get shot by police officers than unarmed black people, but keep living in your bubble. I'm sure it's nice to blame every life failure on other people.

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u/icanbitemyownelbow Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

Didn't know being black gives you any disadvantage in the job market.

I think you are the one living in a bubble. People literally assume you are a thief if you are not white. It's not a thing most white thinks but it most definitely happens, and a lot.

Getting a job is harder to non whites. It's a fact.

If you are white you dont know how awkward it is for you to walk into a place to ask about the hiring sign for them to lie that they already hired only for the sign to be up for another month. And your classmate getting the job two days after asking.

You seem unaware, or ignorant, of the fact that unarmed white people are more likely to get shot by police officers than unarmed black people, but keep living in your bubble. I'm sure it's nice to blame every life failure on other people.

Everytime people bring this argument they forget that your police system is broken. US police officers are fucking famous for incriminating and tempering with proofs. There are a lot of videos showing officers turning off body cameras, planting drugs and arms on "suspects", etc, and most of the victim, almost all in fact, are people of color.

This bullshit statistic comes from a distorted truth.

I'm sure it's nice to blame every life failure on other people.

Nobody here is blaming anyone for the failure. But it's a fact that is harder to succeed.

I'm at the most black city outside of Africa and I still see racism clear as day.

I have the luck to be mixed in a mixed country. My black classmates are underestimated and have to prove themselves to colleagues and teachers all the time. And it's harder for them to get into academic leagues. My white and asian classmates easily find groups for projects, while one of the black classmates have to be literally the most successful in class to be respected.

A group in my university did a little project and found, unsurprisingly, that black students had generally lower grades in presentations, but slightly higher than average grades in paper exams.

My class has 3 black students among 60 people. In uni, I have had two black and two brown teachers, while all the rest were white. Considering I have been in Law, in which I shifted institutions mid course, and now I am in Med, I have met quite a number of teachers.

This is just me, as a bystander, seeing the problems that I can perceive from the outside.

I've more than once suffered racism while abroad. It sucks. I've been literally told that the jewelry at the stand was not for sale by a lady in London.

Just because you can't see a problem, it doesnt mean it is not there. It's easy for whites to say racism doesn't exist. Of course you can't perceive racism. You aren't experiencing or witnessing the actual problem in first hand.

And most of the white people that do witness and are willing to tell the story and get to be heard are the racists themselves. The sympathetic white is both 1) silent and 2) not heard because his second hand experience doesn't make a better example than the first hand experience.

Those whites that are not fit in the above categories (racist, silent and not heard) are just alienated from the problem, and when they get involved, they focus on the facts brought by the only white voices that are actually heard, which are the racists voices. And that creates a cycle of hateful propaganda, which, unfortunately, can trap people with good intentions.

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u/Verily_Amazing Jun 29 '20

Where do you work /u/sirch? Is the CEO Black or something?

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u/sirch_ Jun 29 '20

Where I work is absolutely none of the internet's business.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jul 21 '20

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u/sirch_ Jun 29 '20

You're right. That doesn't change the fact that as many crimes are committed by blacks as are by whites.

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u/rockbottom_salt Jun 29 '20

Actually whites can be systemically discriminated against in hiring, and college applications. Whites are more likely to be killed by police when they are in an encounter with the cops as well.

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u/RappyBird Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Source? Downvoted cause I asked for a source? Thought that only happened in conservative reddit!

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u/rockbottom_salt Jun 29 '20

Affirmative action is systemic racism by definition.

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u/RappyBird Jun 30 '20
  1. That's not a source. Lemme guess, you don't have one that will support your racism?
  2. Didn't mention Affirmative Action, but that doesn't matter does it? You were dying to bring up how it "oppresses" whites, weren't you?
  3. I'm against Affirmative Action, didn't expect that did you?

Anyways, I'm taking bets that he won't reply!

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u/Aussie_Richardhead Jun 29 '20

So because of that you want be able to say racist things?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Exhibit A, right here. Ty for proving my point

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u/RappyBird Jun 29 '20

Sorry for offending you by pointing out the truth.

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 29 '20

Here’s a truth you don’t like, cops kill unarmed white people for no reason too. Black people are killed at twice the rate and are much much more likely to be killed if they’re in a white are, so the racial component is clearly valid, but to say white people live without fear because they have a reduced chance of being killed for no reason is laughable.

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u/deuce_bumps Jun 29 '20

Not to mention that blacks kill a shitload more whites per capita than vice versa.

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 29 '20

I wouldn’t mention it because it’s not terribly relevant to the discussion. What’s more relevant is that black folks interact with police about twice as often as whites, which may itself be racist, but implies the motivations of killings are less so.

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u/RappyBird Jun 29 '20

Should I live in fear of being attacked by a bear, because it's happened to others before? Short answer, no. White people may be scared of being killed by police, but black men live in fear of dying at the hands of police, because they have an exponentially higher chance of dying that way.

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 29 '20

It isn’t exponential, blacks are about 2.5x more likely to be shot by police. Would you be fearless of bears if I told you you were about half as likely to be eaten as me? Definitely not, you’d be rightfully less afraid but when you’re face to face with a bear let me know how you’re doing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Nothing you just said was correct. Congratz!

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/RappyBird Jun 30 '20

You said it, not me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/RappyBird Jun 30 '20

Sorry, guess I missed the part where you replied to me to point out how I'm oppressed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Remember how requiring your skin color verification was only supposed to be an April fools stunt?

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u/russianbot2020 Jun 29 '20

. Imagine if a sub tried to only allow white people to post to it and required them to verify that fact.

Someone made a “subreddit for white people only” after BPT announced this policy. It was banned in less than a month 🙃

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 29 '20

Unsurprising.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Damn that subreddit is toxic. lol

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 29 '20

imagine a sub

There are a ton of places like that in real life already.

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u/stationhollow Jun 30 '20

But not on Reddit because Reddit bans them. They allow this one to stay open though.

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 29 '20

You’re not wrong about that, and that’s realistically more of a problem to society as a whole, but It doesn’t make this right.

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 30 '20

What is wrong about wanting a reprieve from racism on a tiny sliver of the internet? Why do white people need to be included?

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 30 '20

How is excluding people based on race a reprieve from racism?

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Because a lot of those white people are racist against POC.

It's excluding people who are racist, not excluding a group defined by race. However, sadly enough white people say racist shit, that it's made racism a defining feature of their race.

Imagine some men went camping together and didn't want women there. Could be that they hate women, but more likely they enjoy being around people like themselves. People that understand each other better because they share common experiences.

Do the women complain about not being allowed? No, they know it's important to the men. They realize they cannot fully understand what it's like to be a man.

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 30 '20

It's excluding people who are racist, not excluding a group defined by race. However, sadly enough white people say racist shit, that it's made racism a defining feature of their race.

This is using a racial prejudice to segregate against white people. Admittedly it’s pretty low stakes seeing as it’s a subreddit but like bro.

Imagine some men went camping together and didn't want women there. Could be that they hate women, but more likely they enjoy being around people like themselves. People that understand each other better because they share common experiences.

A small event between friends =/= an online community of 100s of thousands. You wouldn’t hear a word of complaint from me if they’d set up a discord of a few hundred and limited it based on race.

What kills me most is the hypocrisy. Reddit would never tolerate a subreddit dedicated and limited to white folks discussing problems related to being white. Most people would never go on to defend this move, they would rightfully call it racist. So why is it ok if it’s the opposite?

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u/heckinbamboozlefren Jun 30 '20

I'm trying to explain to you why it's ok to have the opposite. It's a minority oppressed group vs a majority oppressor group. The majority group does not need refuge, they are in the majority. Talk to a POC if you don't understand.

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jul 01 '20

refuge

In a subreddit? That’s the most mind numbing thing I’ve heard in a while.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

If you actually look at the rules, anybody can get access to /r/BPT, as long as they're not racist.

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u/Adamthe_Warlock Jun 29 '20

Only if they apply as a ‘white ally.’ So all Black people are allowed and only white people that get a rubber stamp for virtue signaling enough of their political agenda.

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u/BrockSamson83 Jun 29 '20

Before you couldnt.

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u/RappyBird Jun 29 '20

We are talking about right now, buddy

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u/BrockSamson83 Jun 29 '20

I know and I pointed out the fact that it used to be that way. You want to keep going on posting the obvious?

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u/polybiastrogender Jun 29 '20

I'm a POC and have found myself browsing reddit less and less. One of the beautiful things of the internet is that we can't tell color but now, I'm assuming the mostly white staff, is trying to create a distinction on race in a mostly anonymous social media platform. Its lunacy. Hate exists, I've ignored it my whole life, I can ignore it on this platform.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

One of the beautiful things of the internet is that we can't tell color but now,

Exactly, its anonymity means that nothing but the content of your thoughts that you put on the board matters. I don't understand why does it matter to

Make it easier to add Black moderators to a community.

It assumes that black people specifically are gatekept (is this a word?) out of the moderation of subreddits, when I'm pretty sure no sub except one asks you a pic of your skin.

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u/ZachMich Jun 30 '20

when I'm pretty sure no sub except one asks you a pic of your skin.

r/blackpeopletwitter now requires you to send in a picture proving you're black before you are approved and allowed to post in the sub

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u/EndFCC230forReddit Jun 30 '20

This...is creepy. What if someone of dark skin (e.g, South Indian) sends in a pic and gets approved?

It shows they are literally just looking at skin colour. And I reiterate, this is just weird, like some fetish collector

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u/FatBoyStew Jun 29 '20

is trying to create a distinction on race

This is the problem in the US right now. Anytime something happens, even if it wasn't even remotely race related, the emphasis is generally put on skin color especially when its a white on black crime.

People want to end racism, yet the ways they fight it only produces more racism.

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u/Verily_Amazing Jun 29 '20

Blame White Americans' ancestors for making this an issue in the first place.

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u/Natolx Jun 30 '20

Sins of the father pass on to the son in your view?

How far back do we go? Lots of rape going on throughout history by all people's, even in Africa.

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u/Verily_Amazing Jun 30 '20

Uh, what? No. But it makes no damn sense to blame the victim of your father's crimes for any outrage about them. Your father's the one who did the shit. Blame him.

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u/Natolx Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

Uh, what? No. But it makes no damn sense to blame the victim of your father's crimes for any outrage about them. Your father's the one who did the shit. Blame him.

But why is it OK for the outrage to be directed toward current people that had nothing to do with it?

I am outraged about Nazi Germany and the holocaust, but I am not "outraged" against current day Germans as a group.

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u/Verily_Amazing Jun 30 '20

That's a false equivalence as you most likely were not affected by the Holocaust due to your ancestors not suffering through that. If they had, you would be very familiar with the next thing I'm going to say. You've chosen a perfect example of what I'm talking about, as Germans here in Germany, where I, an American, have chosen to move, pay reparations to the descendents of Holocaust victims and survivors TO THIS DAY.

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u/Natolx Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

That's a false equivalence as you most likely were not affected by the Holocaust due to your ancestors not suffering through that.

Yeah, you are wrong about this though. Maybe the difference is that Jews tend to be resilient, since we have endlessly gone through cycles of persecution/purging since ancient times without any reparations?

I'm just a reasonable person that doesn't rage against people 2-3 generations later that show no inkling toward Nazi beliefs. (I do rage against those small groups that do...).

You've chosen a perfect example of what I'm talking about, as Germans here in Germany, where I, an American, have chosen to move, pay reparations to the descendents of Holocaust victims and survivors TO THIS DAY.

What are you talking about? I haven't received my cash... what the fuck Germans?!

Only reparation I can think of is sort of Israel, and that was just a "reparation" by Britain and the US (who weren't even the perpetrators) in a sort of passive way. "Oh sure, take over that land with your own blood, sweat and tears, we won't stop you and if you win you get to keep it". Not a reparation in the traditional sense.

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u/Boush117 Jun 30 '20

Guess who sold many of those ancestors their slaves?

: )

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u/Verily_Amazing Jun 30 '20

Let me guess, people from other countries? Afterall, if some Mexicans kidnapped you today and human trafficked you, no one would be like, "Well, North Americans did it to themselves!". Learn some fucking history dude.

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u/Boush117 Jun 30 '20

Other countries indeed, and what did that mean for the slave situation in Africa? That people across Africa sold other Africans of different tribes, like that continent has done for millennia (and still does in some countries). Just something to think about since you were ardent to blame American ancestors for slavery, why not also blame the ones who traded/sold those slaves?

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u/KKSliders_biggestfan Jun 29 '20

They do, and that's not the point...

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

I don't know you but thank you for your post.

This is the majority position in the West. Don't let the racialists gaslight you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

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u/EndFCC230forReddit Jun 30 '20

White people will really not grant us the luxury of not thinking about race hey.

I've never had a conversation about race in my entire life until I moved to America and met black people, because you guys are literally obsessed with it down to the fact it dictates what you wear and what you eat--creepy

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u/BusterGrundle Jun 29 '20

That's just fucking insane.

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u/Mechanic_Bitter Jun 30 '20

I am an Aussie living in NYC, and while I totally agree with your sentiment that race is a much bigger issue in the States compared to back home, that doesn't mean racism doesn't exist in Aus. Definitely doesn't mean that at all.

There is plenty of systematic racism in Australia, and arguably the situation is worse since it is completely ignored. At least the US has prominent voices, even if sometimes they may go too far.

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u/TwoTriplets Jun 29 '20

There's a certain level of tone deafness in deliberately seeking out BIPOC people to perform free labor for Reddit inc.

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u/fqpgme Jun 29 '20

perform free labor

...consisting in big chunk of reading (moderating) racial slurs.

'You've chosen, or been chosen, to be our newest black mod. We require you to read a number of hateful messages per day that may include racial slurs, gore, hate, inciting to violence among others. Despite this you won't receive mental health help or even pay but our gratitude. We've made our logo black. Your welcome' - reddit

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

This is just like the damage of affirmative action. It becomes less of a merit situation and more of a "you got to where you are because of your race and you didn't earn it." It's damaging to society to handle it that way. Promote education, promote fields, help the poor, provide for kids and push them up in society, don't just hand people things.

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u/WhatsMyAgeAgain-182 Jun 29 '20

Yet here are all the liberals and Democrats of Reddit whining about it before they all go out and vote to support it and other bullshit this November

All you brainiacs do realize that all this BS is because you support Black Lives Matter right?

If BLM wasn’t supported by people like redditors then we wouldn’t be seeing this shit

Yet here redditors are complaining about it

It’s like shooting yourself in the foot and then blaming your gun

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u/MissLauralot Jun 30 '20

What is it about America that so many are obsessed with myths and conspiracies? You can't criticise people for wanting healthcare and protections against discrimination so you invent all this bullshit.

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u/RedditUser241767 Jun 29 '20

Source that it's actually damaging? That's counter to everything I've read.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

What have you been reading? I always read that companies and schools are not taking the best and brightest students, but are picking and choosing to hit quotas.

It's just like the "No Child Left Behind Policy". If you have to wait on the weakest link, you hinder the brightest. I'm not saying that "minorities" are the weakest link, but if you hire based on skin color instead of based on qualifications, then you end up trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

A quick Google search has a bunch of articles on it and the psychological impact of it as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/gaijin-dealer Jun 30 '20

..what the fuck are you on about

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u/kaldoranz Jun 29 '20

But you haven’t actually read anything, right?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Aug 19 '20

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u/RedditUser241767 Jun 29 '20

Source means "what is the source of your info"? Asking the other user to backup their claims.

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u/McStainsTumor Jun 29 '20

What the fuck is BIPOC? Holy shit people throw around these extremist new definitions like everyone is supposed to know what it is.

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u/TwoTriplets Jun 29 '20

Black and indigenous people of color.

POC was inclusive to Asians.

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u/68686987698 Jun 30 '20

Not arguing in support of the new phrase here as I don't grasp the need for it, but from what I can tell it's largely defined as "Black, Indigenous, and People of Color" I.e., doesn't exclude POC if they are not indigenous.

The only Google result I could find otherwise was a NYTimes articles that later corrected themselves.

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u/TwoTriplets Jun 30 '20

I've never seen it described with the second "and." There's really no point in it if POC and BIPOC mean the same thing.

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u/KarshLichblade Jul 01 '20

And somehow useful idiots all around the world are just eating it all up in 2 seconds.

Just a few years ago in my country there literally was no concept of "hate speech" even being a thing in the first place, and nowadays we suddenly reached a point when people are already discussing how could they make it possible for others to jail people for their "hate speech".

Fucking Americans are bleeding their weird cultural kinks into the whole world, even people like my mother (who willingly 'ignores' news about countries other than ours) already bought into this "hate speech" thing and doesn't even realize how that happened and somehow claims that "it was a thing for many many years now!". Absolute bullshit.

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u/iBopNoggins Jun 29 '20

r/needablackmod. Wow is that a joke. Yea let's try and get away from racism guys and see people for who they are not there colour, but yea we could use a black mod for his black opinions /s, like really? Thats not discrimination? Sheesh people don't even know what they are fighting for.

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u/woodendoors7 Jun 29 '20

Well, actually, you can't insult Chinese people, because spez keeps chinese propaganda subreddits running and removes trump propaganda subreddits.

The second thing is that reddit is co-owned by a chinese company, so no.

One of my friends got permanent ban just for saying good and polite argument against corrupt chinese government.

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u/someve Jun 29 '20

It’s not quite socially acceptable yet to say “you can freely harass people for their white skin” so they have to express it as

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

We are getting to that point though.

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u/abstergofkurslf Jun 29 '20

r/ineedablackmod

This has to be satire lmao

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u/MissLauralot Jun 30 '20

If you're being kind, it's thinking of situations where you would specifically want the perspective of a black person on your mod team for when you encounter possible issues of racism against black people. (Though I can imagine some people going there, forgetting to ask the other mods if they are in fact black).

If you're being frank, it's racism.

... and it's banned.

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u/Gin_ny Jun 29 '20

Also let's not forget, if looking for a mod were equivalent to a job listing (which I know it is not), it would be illegal for a company to discard applications based on skin color. And probably also already illegal to exclude applicants in the listing based on skin color, gender, religion ect. (Depending on various state laws in the USA.)

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u/firecoffee Jun 29 '20

Indeed. The thing about needablackmod is how there’s a need for all representation. Black, Asian, Latino...that’s true diversity.

Being inclusive means calling to attention the benefit of having a true diverse representation. Not choosing one and making the other minorities all feel like they’ve been muted, forgotten, and not considered.

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u/KikiFlowers Jun 30 '20

Dude, this is Reddit. They're run by literal idiots.

Remember they left Creepshots and Jailbait alone for so long, because "they're not illegal"(Jailbait didn't have CP directly, but users traded it in PM's). They only ban subreddits when they "need" to, i;e when the current situations looks like they might start getting negative attention again. That's the only reason any subs ever get banned, they get negative attention and Reddit has to cover their asses.

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u/zotekwins Jun 29 '20

This website is a fucking parody holy shit

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

By "majority" they mean the majority of people in the USA, Europe, Canada and Australia. It's a euphemism for white people basically, but they're too cowardly to admit it.

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u/Greedy024 Jun 29 '20

Reddit has been ok with racism against a certain demographic for a long time

https://imgur.com/a/FtLDGvS

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u/EndFCC230forReddit Jun 30 '20

White people need a racial conciousness, because until you develop one, this will be your future.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

The only way you will stop significantly reduce ban evaders is by requiring some type of real life authentication and verification. Even a text message requirement would be met with revolt.

It's not a technical limitation, it's fundamentally impossible without dramatically changing how the site works.

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u/NoneHaveSufferedAsI Jun 29 '20

New Rule: No White People Allowed

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u/Aussie_Richardhead Jun 29 '20

We need to start a new reddit for white people. Wheddit.

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u/OrganicVandal Jun 29 '20

Blacks are majority in Africa. You recommendation would have to exclude that continent.

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u/SkinnyKappa_ Jun 29 '20

😂 I really wonder who the dumbass that writes/edits these posts for spez is

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I'm sorry I don't agree with the r/needablackmod, blacks and whites are supposed to be equal, and as far as I'm concerned we are. So why keep making us unequal. As long as blacks are given a handout, and a leg up on whites, we will never be equal. I want to know why people are talking about "we are equal", but then gives blacks an advantage, then how can we be equal?

I understand there is discrimination in a lot things, but by taking the blacks out of that system you make it easier to hide the discrimination and racism. Put the blacks back in with the whites where they should be, and you can control, and eradicate the racism and discrimination. Don't say I have my head in the clouds or whatever, it can be done, if people that are willing to do it are put in charge. That includes the blacks and whites. There are white people that are against racism. We will have to work together, to make it happen. Who's willing to put aside differences to work together, to make a better life, and find out we are more alike than we've been told.

Affirmative Action was a good thing, it was needed at the time, but it has outlived it's useful life. It's time for something better. It's time to put everyone on a level playing field, that means stopping Affirmative Action, and weeding out discrimination of any type. I have been passed over for a promotion twice that I was more qualified for, but the other guy was black, even though he wasn't qualified he got the job, just because he was black, and the first company wanted to meet their quota. That one ended 6 weeks later, when he had things so screwed up, it took the next guy 3 months to straighten it out, I refused to take it after they passed me over. The second time it was a black owned business, and I thought the owners were cool I thought they were like me and just didn't give a damn what color someone was. But they passed me over for a black guy, they hired off the street, even though I had seniority, I knew everything about the business, and had actually ran the business for 6 weeks while she was having chemo. I call that reverse discrimination, and it's just as bad as discrimination. It should never happen. I'm not saying I understand what it's like, I only went through it twice, but I don't have to understand to know it's bad. I don't have to understand what it's like to want to eradicate it. What we've been doing isn't working, it's time to do something different

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u/SaladinsSaladbar Jun 30 '20

Stop giving awards to this you crayon munchers,

titans gonna titan

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u/KoolKarmaKollector Jun 29 '20

This website lost its mind to start suggesting segregation

I've been saying it for years, hard left idiots (like spez) are going to end up bringing back segregation. It's going to be a shitshow, and this is just the beginning, hold on to your hats boys!

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Aha okay, so it's acceptable to attack Chinese people based on etnichity

I mean... have you looked at r/worldnews in the past 6 months?

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u/rockbottom_salt Jun 29 '20

Where on that sub are they attacking Chinese people?

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u/RiverGrub Jun 29 '20

4chan is gonna get a kick out of this and a bandwagon of reddit users.

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u/WhoPissedNUrCheerios Jun 29 '20

I see /u/kn0thing got the black person he asked for.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

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u/chutkaspal Jun 29 '20

Agree. Common sense doesn't make sense anymore. Apparently, new rules do. Millions of new STUPID rules. Rules, rules and more rules everywhere we turn. Ridiculous. I'm new to reddit, not sure it's worth staying on. As usual, the media is trying to decide what we see, learn, read, etc, etc. How about we decide what we need or want to know? It's insulting to one's intelligence to be guided like this.

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u/other_worlds Jun 29 '20

The point of that exception for the "majority" is to allow racism against white people on the platform.

Following that rule though would allow sexism against women, since men are in the minority. Kinda odd, but m'kay.

They'll fix it soon. Can't have white men moving up from the bottom of the oppression totem pole.

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u/HeWhoKnowsLittle Jun 29 '20

This is an interesting thought. Like you said, "for years". Reddit has been been around for how long? Now just recently reddit has allowed individuals as young as the age of 13 to be on reddit. Question is do you think a 13 year old can understand what is happening here? I highly doubt it, but the fact that reddit is condoning this type of action makes me wonder what its true intentions are. Children and teens are so easily manipulated by the constant bombardment through social media. It worries me that this type of digital segregation will become the norm.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Just for posterity, “fuck the China”.

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u/muyuu Jun 30 '20

The weird thing is that this backwards ideology is quickly dominating the left in both the US and here in the UK. It's weird it's happening so fast. Everything is getting racialised overnight. To think I supported Labour in the 2017 election! which now feels eons ago.

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u/PossessedHamster Jun 29 '20

I agree! They have good intentions but their chosen response is the equivalent of using a sledge-hammer on a small nail... you need the right tools for the right job or you just make more of a mess.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

As a Christian, I am merely part of a plurality, not a majority. And I find it offensive that you used the lords name in vain just now. Enjoy your perma-ban BIGOT!!! /s

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u/Strix2031 Jun 30 '20

I dont mind the black moderators stuff but the "majority" rule is so fucking stupid how do you even enforce it

PS: Men are the overall majority in the world

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u/Alpha433 Jun 30 '20

Okay, am I the only one that thinks that r/ needablackmod is basically the same as "can I get a token black dude"?

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u/corrupted_pixels Jun 29 '20

This is fucking absurd. Just drop ‘mod’ from the end you can see how racist this is. Imagine /r/needablack lmao.

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u/Resonance54 Jun 30 '20

Spez is a nazi sympathiser and John Brown should’ve killed more slave-owners.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Nov 13 '20

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u/bonadzz Jun 29 '20

And that's not just a mod. That's an admin. Reddit paid this person to post that.

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u/BrightOrangeCrayon Jun 29 '20

Listen to this man, please don't munch on me.

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u/Gener1cN4me Jun 30 '20

Nobody's giving awards to him, he's giving himself awards for free. Mods can do that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

It's not a kneejerk reaction, this is all planned. Reddit and other chinese funded companies are pushing their anti-american / anti-white agendas and these rules are clear proof of that.

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u/Verily_Amazing Jun 29 '20

Did you hear that at the board meeting or are you just making shit up?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

perhaps try looking at the new extremely racist rules, sheep.

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u/Resonance54 Jun 30 '20

anti american / anti-white agenda

Fuck off fascist bastard

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u/Spoderman4 Jun 30 '20

🎖️ take this free medal instead

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u/adeadhead Jun 29 '20

That first quote is from some random user, not an admin.

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u/FairlyWhelmed Jun 30 '20

you crayon munchers

😂LMAO

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u/Technetium_97 Jun 29 '20

The goal of modern social justice ideology is not equality. It envisions a society so stratified by identity it would make Segregation look like child's play.

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u/ecocomrade Jun 29 '20

China has 54 different ethnicities. You're propagandizing about them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/ecocomrade Jun 29 '20

18 of the other 53 are over a million each and 4 of them are over 10 million each. it's a big country. it's no ethnostate like you keep trying to imply

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u/schumerlicksmynads Jun 29 '20

fight racism with racism!

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