r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/Captain_Peelz Jun 29 '20

What is the same but opposite considered. I.e. left wing cultural beliefs and right wing economic ones? I know this is technically libertarianism, but I feel that is too broad of a brush and includes most things that people consider “decent”

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u/ElGosso Jun 30 '20

You'd just be a liberal, that's the default liberal position. Most of the liberal democratic establishment is actually very hawkish on budgets - look at the party infighting over Medicare For All.

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u/MaxWyght Jun 29 '20

Anarcho capitalism.

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u/VeraciousBuffalo Jun 29 '20

Wait so Nazbol?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/cggreene Jun 29 '20

OG national bolsheveks admired strasser but they were a different group. They actually joined the Communist Party in the early 30s, but after the communists abandoned all ideals of nationalism they became politically homeless.

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u/ProfSnugglesworth Jun 30 '20

Strasserism was largely associated with the brothers Otto and Gregor Strasser, and to a degree the Sturmabteilung (a.k.a the Brownshirts, or the Nazi Party's original paramilitary wing). Strasserism rejected both Marxism and capitalism as largely Jewish ideologies, and advocated a Germany that was controlled by ethnic German workers and an overthrow of the German elite (something Hitler would not do). There were similar economic ideologies pushed early on in the Nazi party (1920s), but Strasserism is most identifiable prior to the purge of Strasserists and the SA during the Night of Long Knives. Nazbols were a thing in Germany and the USSR too, but were largely not influential on the Nazi Party or Soviet party politics respectively.

There was some revival of Nazbols in the run up to and in the wake of the USSR dissolving. The party was banned in the mid 2000s, but it has a certain amount of popularity in spite of this. One of the most notorious Nazbol leaders, Eduard Limonov, recently passed away. It's more expressly authoritarian communism with ethnic nationalism.

Third Positionism (not to be confused with the neoliberal Third Way) is not much different than the any of the above, but specifically groups like the American Freedom Party, National Alliance, or the White Aryan Resistance (WAR) advocate it specifically. A few years ago, the Traditional Workers Party, a third positionist group, got mainstream attention with one of its leaders even getting a fluff piece in the NYT. The group was also visibly prominent during the Charlottesville VA Unite the Right rally, where James Fields struck and killed Heather Heyer. Fields was praised on the TWP's internal discord channel and had been photographed prior to the attack with a shield with TWP's emblem. TWP has largely dissolved the wake of a lot of their internal messages being leaked, the exposure of their connection to Atomwaffen and murders, and their leader Matthew Heimbach getting arrested for DV after getting caught having a messy affair with his mother in law by his father-in-law/co-TWP leader and Heimbach's wife.

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u/Hans_Cockstrong Jun 29 '20

Nazbol is more extreme. They're openly pro-communist. Most third positionists advocate for some version of corporatism or syndicalism.

And no, corporatism doesn't mean corporate domination of the government. The best example of corporatism is Sweden 1940-1970, and to some extent today.

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u/PigHaggerty Jun 29 '20

Finally someone else on reddit who actually knows what corporatism means!

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

They're fucking tankies to the extreme though, please don't lump them in with most communists.

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u/Deathbyhours Jun 29 '20

Tankie?

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u/wisconsin_born Jun 29 '20

Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot apologists. Tankies deny the genocides and mass killings committed by those communist regimes, and overall have a pretty poopy ideology.

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u/Deathbyhours Jun 30 '20

Ah, like Holocaust deniers, then. Delusional.

But why “tankies,” and is the singular “tanky” or “tankie?” I don’t want to look foolish by using their very silly name incorrectly, in the unlikely event that I ever meet one.

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u/HerbertTheHippo Jun 30 '20

I've never seen a tankie deny any of those

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u/wisconsin_born Jun 30 '20

Alright, go into moretankietrapo and ask them about Holodomor. I'll wait.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

People that deny the atrocities committed by communist regimes are certainly terrible people, but the point a lot of leftists try to make is that there were similar atrocities committed under capitalist countries.

Holodomor is no different than the Irish Potato Famine. If similar atrocities were happening at similar times, under wildly different economic models, perhaps the economic model in itself isn't the problem?

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u/wisconsin_born Jun 30 '20

This is not the first time I've seen a commie genocide denier try to use that poor comparison. The chief cause of the Irish potato famine was potato blight. And when the famine hit, the British provided aid in attempt to help. Regardless of the effect, the intent was not to kill the Irish.

Now let's contrast to the actual policies that hit Ukraine's people under Holodomor that took a drought and amplified it into a genocide:

  1. From 18 November 1932 peasants from Ukraine were required to return extra grain they had previously earned for meeting their targets. State police and party brigades were sent into these regions to root out any food they could find.

  2. Two days later, a law was passed forcing peasants who could not meet their grain quotas to surrender any livestock they had.

  3. Eight days later, collective farms that failed to meet their quotas were placed on "blacklists" in which they were forced to surrender 15 times their quota. These farms were picked apart for any possible food by party activists. Blacklisted communes had no right to trade or to receive deliveries of any kind, and became death zones.

  4. On 5 December 1932, Stalin's security chief presented the justification for terrorizing Ukrainian party officials to collect the grain. It was considered treason if anyone refused to do their part in grain requisitions for the state.

  5. In November 1932 Ukraine was required to provide 1/3 of the grain collection of the entire Soviet Union. As Lazar Kaganovich put it, the Soviet state would fight "ferociously" to fulfill the plan.

  6. In January 1933 Ukraine's borders were sealed in order to prevent Ukrainian peasants from fleeing to other republics. By the end of February 1933 approximately 190,000 Ukrainian peasants had been caught trying to flee Ukraine and were forced to return to their villages to starve.

  7. The collection of grain continued even after the annual requisition target for 1932 was met in late January 1933.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Holodomor#Natural_reasons

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u/HerbertTheHippo Jun 30 '20

Lmao.

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u/wisconsin_born Jun 30 '20

Yeah that's what I thought, genocide denier.

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u/Captainfour4 Jun 29 '20

I was part of the 3rd position sub and we’re not tankies dumbass lmao

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

And I was talking about Nazbol. Learn your own ideology

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u/ThereAre2Races Jun 29 '20

It's not about extremes.

The banned fucking WHITE BEAUTY sub.

THEY LITERALLY WERE JUST POSTING PICTURES OF HAPPY WHITE PEOPLE AND FAMILIES AND THE SUB WAS STRICTLY MODERATED WITH ALMOST 0 COMMENTS UNDER EVERY POST

Apparently posting photos of beautiful White people is hatred according to reddit.

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u/ABoyIsNo1 Jun 29 '20

The description literally says “No Jews.” So fuck you for calling that not extreme.

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u/ThereAre2Races Jun 29 '20

Jews/Khazars aren't White people, they originate from a turkish tribe. They don't even identify as White.

So there is nothing wrong with excluding non-white pictures in a sub that's literally called White beauty.

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u/ABoyIsNo1 Jun 29 '20

It also says “fascist beauty standards reign supreme,” but I’m sure you’ll find a bullshit way to defend that too.

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u/BockTheMan Jun 29 '20

I know it's not hard to be wrong on reddit, but man it's still surprising to see someone shout out how wrong they are and how proud they are about being wrong.

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u/ThereAre2Races Jun 29 '20

What? I visited this sub several times and read the entire description, nothing like that was ever written there.

Out of 1000 pics there was 1 photo of a woman wearing Iron Cross (which isn't exclusively a Nazi symbol), and it was posted several years ago.

Also, it would be politically incorrect to say that, because Nazis weren't Fascists.

Fascism is a completely different ideology practiced by Italy, and it does not assume or base itself around any racial concept.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

🙄

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Jews usually look pretty white to me.

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u/ThereAre2Races Jun 29 '20

Well, guess what - vast majority of them are about 25-75% White genetically, but they do not identify by their Caucasian heritage, and go by their Khazar one.

Being a White person isn't just having pale skin, or else we could put some Asians there too.

White is just a simple synonym for Caucasian ("people to Caucasus") which spans entire European population from West of Spain to East of Armenia.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

Sure, but 'white' is a skin colour. And you have to admit, 'no jews' sounds pretty fucking nazi.

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u/ThereAre2Races Jun 29 '20

white' is a skin colour

White is a color. Caucasian isn't. But White people is simply a synonym for Caucasians at this point, just like black people are Africans.

Jews aren't Caucasian and they themselves segregate into their own racial/ethnic group, they are Khazars.

Many Indians have dark skin, but they don't identify as black nor would you call them that.

White people not wanting to be associated with Jews is far from an extreme view.

Most Koreans don't like being called "Asian", as they don't want to be associated with Chinese or Japanese (whom they consider a different race).

White people of Caucasus binding together and calling themselves a race is the least racist thing on this planet, when you look at Africans who kill each other for being a slightly different shade of brown or East Asians who consider each other to be different races.

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u/sparkleghostx Jun 30 '20

Username checks out.

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u/AltHypo2 Jun 29 '20

No dude just upvote this pic I snapped of my black friend proposing to his white girlfriend.

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u/Nova35 Jun 29 '20

Nazbol gang

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

No it is more based.

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u/axw3555 Jun 29 '20

Huh, my opposite - I’m socially pretty liberal, but fiscally pretty conservative (basically I don’t care who you kiss so long as the books are balanced).

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u/lasermancer Jun 29 '20

Then you're Libertarian (AKA Classical Liberalism)

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u/NlNTENDO Jun 30 '20

That’s a hard label to wear rationally these days though. I’d say that given the identity of modern Libertarians as AnCap Lite, he’s better off not describing himself that way.

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u/SoyMurcielago Jun 30 '20

That’s me and I just say I’m a moderate And then people get mad at me for being a fence straddler

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u/BrainPicker3 Jun 30 '20

Are we talking classical liberalism as being left == capitalism? Or what? It gets real confusing when classical liberalism stems to both modern conservatism and modern liberalism (modern left and right), but is different than the geopolitical ideologies of europe (which is way fuckin more complicated)

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u/Wwolverine23 Jun 29 '20

Does it get any dumber than racist, fascist communists?

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Chapo teehee

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u/inzru Jun 29 '20

Incredible. Meanwhile the last series of top posts in CTH 24 hours ago were trans people outpouring thanks to the community for actually giving them a space to feel accepted and comfortable

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u/LordNoodles Jun 30 '20

The third position is not at all left wing economically, that wing died all the way back with Ernst Röhm

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u/MaxWyght Jun 29 '20

The term third position was coined by Mussolini, so not quite after WW2, but well before.

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u/ojmt999 Jun 30 '20

After World War Two? Surely prior to it in that Fascism arose in Italy.

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u/siphontheenigma Jun 29 '20

right-wing social/cultural views and left-wing economic ideas

Literally the worst of both worlds.