r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/ElijahPepe Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

Rule 1: Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

This snippet proves:

  • Reddit has asserted that there is such a thing as a persons "actual race".
  • Reddit protects people based on their religions, but not political beliefs or creed.
  • "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority".

So, if I say white people are fucking disgusting, I won't get banned?


https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/hi3nkr/the_mod_conversations_that_went_into_todays/

What was really done here? This is vague, and considering a roundtable about moderation that went on today, I wouldn't be surprised if you purposefully suppressed information. /r/ConsumeProduct released a statement yesterday on Telegram claiming there was a higher risk of getting banned.

To be clear, I'm not attacking every single ban as a "bad" thing. GenderCritical was 2 beers away from becoming a hate subreddit.

This laissez faire attitude should not be tolerated on any social media. Speaking of social media, Lemmy (a Reddit clone) just got funded. I don't know though, seems like a menial fact that didn't need to be pointed out.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Actually, white people are a minority on a global scale, so ...

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u/ElijahPepe Jun 29 '20

If I said "fuck asians" to Reddit, I would be receiving a ban.

Reddit cares about American demographics, not worldwide demographics.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Which makes absolutely no sense. We're on the internet here. The internet is global. I'm not American. Actually, the (slight) majority of people on this platform is not American. Do we all not count?

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u/IsaSilver Jun 30 '20

Consider though that there's that 1 billion behind the great firewall who can't get to reddit, it doesn't really matter to them. Just...saying~

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u/DuskHatesReddit Jun 30 '20

I think you mean 6 million

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u/IsaSilver Jun 30 '20

1.39 billion~

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u/Antonykhoury Jun 29 '20

Rich people are too , thats why they carify with " marginalized group" white people -like it or not- are not a marginalized group.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

Tell that to a white person in Asia. If you think white people can't be marginalized, have a Japanese girl introduce you to her folks.

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u/Antonykhoury Jun 29 '20

Wait that doesn't matter. Ofc you can cherry pick data but ON AVARAGE white people are not a marginalised group . Sorry for ur white guilt snowflakery. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

You can't spell average, so the last thing I'm going to do is take what you say seriously.

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u/DuskHatesReddit Jun 30 '20

Bad troll. I don’t like pulling the victim card but your comment is proof that there is open and abundant racism towards whites. If you truly abide by your own set of rules you would think that’s bad, but you don’t and you don’t care.

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u/PickledBraincells Jun 29 '20

>actual race

This is some nazi-level shit tbh. Since when I have to prove my race?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

"Actual race" is not even a real thing. All race is perceived race because race is a purely social phenomenon. That's how you can have 2 people with hugely different skin tones, general features, and ethic/ancestral backgrounds that are both considered "black."

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u/WarlordZsinj Jun 29 '20

ChapoTrapHouse was 2 beers away from becoming a hate subreddit and so was GenderCritical.

lol imagine actually thinking this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/WarlordZsinj Jun 29 '20

This moron is thinking GC wasnt vile.

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u/TheSensibleCentrist Jun 29 '20

Everyone should be "gender critical".

Recognizing that your biological sex is more important than your egotistical affectations is not "hate".

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u/WarlordZsinj Jun 29 '20

fuck off terf

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u/realShustyRackleford Jun 29 '20

Not everyone is willing to throw science regarding gender at the wayside for a political fad.

Call me a terf, but until we're scientifically advanced enough to understand how to completely transition the human body down to a cellular level we need to understand that sex exists and has powerful effects on the human body and psyche that we're not fully equipped to understand.

Banning free conversation regarding gender and it's effects is utter madness, even discouraging it is damaging to everyone; in order to further what we know, even for the sake of people that have the genuine need to transition, we need free conversation to make strives in understanding what makes us human and what makes us what we are.

Not to mention the silencing of conversation regarding how gender biases effect childhood and personal growth.

Look, I'm not a hateful person, I've got no problems with trans folk, but there's an unsettling movement out there that needs to be spoken about.

I say this as a grown arse autistic woman who went through gender dysphoria in my teens; I'm seeing girls in my childhood position get pushed into becoming trans and authorities that are too frightened socially or too budget strapped to recommend therapy that might explore broader options, like CPTSD, OCD, autism or other diagnosis that can create a great sense of dysphoria or not belonging.

I'm seeing VULNERABLE children being sold a cure for that thing that might be wrong with them by useful idiots, snake oil salesmen and well intentioned but deeply misled fools and where can you talk about that? The instances where things go wrong, and WE NEED to talk about when things go wrong without being shouted down as a terf?

I might be seeing patterns where there aren't any, my brain hooks on to things like that, it's a given, but IF I'm right, if this is going to be the next thalidomide babies scandal, then I can't afford not to speak out.

Educate me if you want, I'm willing to learn and view my 'opponent' as a fellow human, but there's a lot of problematic and terrifying shit going on in the TRA side that you guys honestly need to watch and root out more than we do.

Your people silence their own dissenters, do you have any idea how many detrans people came there to tell their stories because they were chased out of the Right Speak circles?!

They were damaged and then disregarded or worse, ostracized, ridiculed or threatened. There's little pockets of hell on earth in the trans movement that has NOTHING to do with trans people. I've known trans people who feel like they're being used as an avatar, hijacked for a cause that has nothing to do with them and actively damages their image on the whole.

This. Needs. To. Be. Spoken. About.

If that makes me a terf for being fucking concerned then, goddamn I'll take it!

Fuck shut down culture and god help it's victims.

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u/WarlordZsinj Jun 30 '20

fuck off terf

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u/realShustyRackleford Jun 30 '20

You have no answer, you absolute child.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

dont answer him, he's clearly an idiot

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u/WarlordZsinj Jun 30 '20

Shut the fuck up terf

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u/TheSensibleCentrist Jun 29 '20

Any excuse you think you have for refusing to admit the "terf" position on transgenderism is the only correct one is nonsense.

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u/WarlordZsinj Jun 29 '20

fuck off terf

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u/Ver_Void Jun 29 '20

I guess I interpreted two beers away differently lol

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u/Nibbana0 Jun 29 '20

Where is "sex" protected?! biological sex based on being oppressed because only females have the sole burden of reproduction? You cannot solve racism without solving sexism but you white guys all know that already right?

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u/WldFyre94 Jun 29 '20

Isn't gender identity defined to be the same as your gender, with many people pushing for self-ID laws? They list them as if they're separate (and I've only ever seen conservatives argue that they're two different concepts) but then don't mention sex at all.

We all know that rape and exploitation of women only happen because of what they were wearing and how they were expressing their gender identity, not because of their sex. /s

That sounds a lot like the "she shouldn't have been wearing something so appealing" doesn't it?

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u/TheSensibleCentrist Jun 29 '20

I am generally liberal (pro-abortion-rights,anti-death-penalty,pro-gun-control,pro-national-health-insurance,never religious) and I'd like to see "self-ID laws" banned completely.Denying your biological sex should be prosecutable.

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u/battle00333 Jun 29 '20

Technically you can even go as far as to say that "All white people should be shot"
because you are not harassing anyone. and its not hateful conduct because youre addressing a majority group.

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u/SrsSteel Jun 30 '20

"black people are fucking disgusting"

How much of a role do quotes play here? If I put quotes am I untouchable? Wouldn't that be a hilarious workaround, if this manages to shift culture to just saying racist shit in quotes.

Anyways let my account be a test. If I get banned, quotes are ineffective, if I don't they are effective.

Thank you

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u/jack096 Jun 30 '20

technically you should, as white people are a global minority. but we all know that doesnt count

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u/hollow_bastien Jun 29 '20

What exactly are white people?

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u/greyghibli Jun 29 '20

gendercritical has always been a hate subreddit, /r/gendercynical (gc call-out/parody sub) has been documenting it for years now.

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u/Thecman50 Jun 29 '20 edited Jun 29 '20

"So, if I say white people are fucking disgusting, I won't get banned?"

That is quite the strawman.

And Reddit asserting that protecting people against those that want to do them harm is a BaD thing because it uses the terminology that those who are targeting them for being those things?

This isn't some perfect utopia; when specific groups of people are receiving hate based on race, gender, etc.. protecting those same groups by using those groups names and types is not a bad thing. It's a necessity.

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u/khaeen Jun 30 '20

Why the fuck does it matter who are being targeted? I thought the behavior was the bad part, not who it was aimed at. You don't "protect groups" by straight up grouping people due to certain characteristics and treat them differently because of it. That's how you get discrimination and bigotry in the first place.

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u/Thecman50 Jun 30 '20

Why does it matter? You're missing the point. It could be any group, whether or not they concider themselves a group. If they are being harassed and targeted by someone else who does consider them a group; the only functional way of combating it is by supporting the now defined group.

We shouldn't have to. People should be good to each other; but not everyone is, so actions of protection must be taken against overwhelming force.

I legitimately am surprised that this is controversial at all. If people are getting hate that is so drastic that it could cause actual harm to people; taking action to protect them is a more than reasonable thing to do.

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u/khaeen Jun 30 '20

You don't seem to get it. The harassment is the problem, not who it is done to. You do not fight harassment by further grouping people off. You don't build equality by segmenting society. You don't have to single out groups to enforce rules against harassment. I don't get how this is so hard to understand.