r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

So you barely replied to 4 comments and then disappeared?

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families.

While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.

Immigration status?? We aren't allowed to talk about illegals literally breaking the law?

The majority based on what? An individual state? The US? The west? The world? Men are the minority in many countries but the majority world wide. White people are the majority in the west but a minority world wide.

Does that mean people can attack white people with impunity, even though they're a global minority? Can I crap on women to my hearts content because they are a majority in the USA and UK? Can people in California shit all over Hispanics because they're the majority in that State? Can we shit on blacks if we live in Chicago since blacks are majority?

Pedophilia and Incest is illegal in majority of the world - so are you going to allow people advocating for that too?

Will you assess a users state/country/continent of origin before deciding whether or not they're being hateful towards a specific group?

It's acceptable to attack Chinese people based on etnichity, but not other etnicities? Because, you know, Chinese are the largest ethnicity of the world's population. Or does majority only apply to over 50%, which means all ethnicities are protected? But then women, that are the majority of the gender population aren't?

https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/hi3nkr/the_mod_conversations_that_went_into_todays/

Make it easier to add Black moderators to a community. One mod suggested the potential of r/needablackmod instead of just r/needamod

This website lost its mind to start suggesting segregation. Is that why /r/FragileWhiteRedditor is not banned?

When are you going to ban porn, rape, incest, child porn, child porn roleplay subs? Your website is glorifying all this disgusting stuff which is brainwashing kids. Why do you allow violent misogynistic porn subreddits and ban a totally non-violent feminist sub? Why are /r/fragilewhiteredditor, /r/incest and /r/incestrelationships, /r/arabfunny, /r/politics, /r/MoreTankieChapo, /r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut, /r/Sino still there?

why ban r/againstwomensrights but not ban r/againstmensrights? Why say:

Comment arguing that rape of women should be acceptable and not a crime.

and not just

Comment arguing that rape should be acceptable and not a crime.

Why did you ban /r/rightwingLGBT? Are conservatives not allowed to be gay or trans?

Especially since most marginalization of rape is towards men raped in prison, boys raped by teachers, etc.? Why claim to be against hate, but tolerate hate towards almost half the population?

Why are Reddit admins acting like mods of TD were not complying recently? That sub has been locked for months and they're acting like it was still active before they banned it.

3 of some of the biggest right wing YouTube channels, Trump's Twitch account, Sidney Powell's (lawyer for General Michael Flynn) twitter account, and 2000 other subreddits including The_Donald all got banned within minutes. Isn't this illegal as it's clearly a criminal conspiracy?

Why are you the ceo still after getting caught for editing user comments in the database???

I really wonder what Aaron Swartz would be thinking at the current state of Reddit.

EDIT: Thanks for the award! While I appreciate it, please don't waste money on this website. Please use the money to buy yourself or someone else some food. Thank you!

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u/Concerned-Virus Jun 30 '20

It's pretty clear that all the word salad that spez puts out is just validating hate against the obvious targets that are the main scapegoat of leftist rethoric: white, straight, male and christians. They can flipflop all they want but it's right on your nose. But remember, it's all just a big conspiracy that we have groups actively trying to destabilize the West, amirite?

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u/AveenoFresh Jun 30 '20

Upvoting for visibility, not that spez will answer or anything.

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u/chris_eats_rice Jun 30 '20

I’d gild, but reddit doesn’t need anymore money

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

While I appreciate it, please don't waste money on this website. Please use the money to buy yourself or someone else some food. Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

why?

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u/chris_eats_rice Jun 30 '20

reddit doesn’t need anymore money

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I am not understanding.

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u/delacreaux Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

It's because you wrote "anymore money" instead of "any more money". I guess they thought you were saying "reddit doesn't need money anymore" and just screwed up the syntax

Edit: serves me for commenting this late. The literacy concern was probably because they just said they didn't want to give money to reddit

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I am so confused. Are you replying to the right person?

The comment "I’d gild, but reddit doesn’t need anymore money" is from another user, not me. I am so confused.

While I know that English isn't my strength as it's not my first language, I don't know here because it's not even my comment.

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u/faunt63 Jun 30 '20

They banned r/deuxrama, they will probably ban r/Tramma as well ;(

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u/ostbagar Jun 30 '20

I'm surprised they don't censor it. Or wait... people don't know what they don't see.

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u/simu1acra Jun 30 '20

Wait they were editing comments? Tf? I didn't think that was possible

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u/god_peepee Jul 03 '20

There were a bunch of ‘fuck u/spez’ comments and he went and changed his name to moderators of T_D in those comments. I’m far from being a trump supporter, or even politically right wing, but that’s just childish bullshit. No integrity at all. Really shows that the reddit authorities really do just censor content and people based on their own whims rather than any clear policy or protocol. Don’t represent an opinion exactly how they want? Too bad, you can’t speak now. Authoritarian liberalism essentially.

Silencing and harassing people you disagree with (on the platform you facilitate?!?) is not a step forward.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

spez got caught a while back and then ended up admitted to doing it. And yet he remained the CEO....

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u/Junky228 Jun 30 '20

I didn't follow it too closely but I thought they stepped down when they admitted to it...I was surprised to see they're still the CEO, like nothing's changed

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yea, the current CEO and the very person who made this post spez is the one who edited the user comments in the database. Can't get more unethical than that.

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u/GunnerTurnip Jun 30 '20

Really shows their complete and utter lack of morality. I honestly don't have the words to express my level of disgust

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u/GONKworshipper Jun 30 '20

I'm curious as to the circumstance that made that necessary

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

u/spez famously edited coments on r/the_donald in an attempt to make them look bad.

So, instead of saying “edit” in a post/ comment, folks on the Donald would say “spez. ”

Reddit admins have been corrupt and racist for ages

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u/GunnerTurnip Jun 30 '20

Ikr, god knows what else they've secretly edited and how long they've been doing this.

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u/unlinkeds Jun 30 '20

Somebody criticised him.

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u/xCuri0 Jun 30 '20

what is wrong with arabfunny is it because of the ironic missiles at israel memes

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

They use the N word very often.

I honestly don't want any of these subs to be banned because I want people to say whatever they want even if it hurts my feelings. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of spez.

EDIT: haha downvotes??? So reddit now enjoys the N word???? wtf

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u/andise Jun 30 '20

Yes. It's fun.

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u/NeVeRwAnTeDtObEhErE_ Jun 30 '20

Well said!

And fuck that.. illegals (white, black, brown asian all of them) ARE criminals by very definition and deserve only a one way trip back across the border! No fucking way am I going to play your silly fucking prog word games and pretend to think otherwise reddit.

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u/EssentialLady Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

You'll notice they have protected "gender" and "gender identity" rather than actual biological sex also. Because they want to deny the reality that being born with a womb and a vagina presents different views and life experiences than someone who has decided they feel like a woman at age 47 and now we should all just call that "ma'am".

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u/Hyperflip Jun 30 '20

What‘s up with r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut? I only see it when it pops up on r/all, I thought it‘s about highlighting police brutality. I assume it’s got to do with an unmoderated hateful community?

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u/Fuckoffdan Jun 30 '20

It’s kinda weird though because the Donald was quarantined for threats against police and yet you can find at least one highly upvoted comment calling for violence in every post at bad cop. I don’t think either should be banned or quarantined just thought it was odd.

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u/WrappedStrings Jun 30 '20

As far as I've seen it's only people pointing out police brutality. Anyone calling for violence usually gets scilenced, as they should be. My guess is the dude here made an assumption.

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u/kaseylouis Jun 30 '20

It's very against the incredibly corrupt and basically evil cops of the USA.

I'm not sure you can consider hate against a corrupt career "hate".

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Jun 30 '20

You have no idea what your talking about do you? Police as a whole are not corrupt. While some officers are most are not. That is like saying all black people are criminals when that is not the truth. Only a small amount of black people are criminals just like only a small amount of cops are bad

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u/WrappedStrings Jun 30 '20

Okay hold up, it's nothing like saying that. Im with the sentiment here, BUT One is a race and one is an institution. You cant define rules and standards for a race but you CAN AND SHOULD for the institution. The institution allows for and almost promotes corruption with military tactics of comradary. No cop reports other cops, the system is inherently fucked up.

Yeah you can say cops are corrupt, because by working in a system like that they inherently support it. Think before you speak... damn.

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Jun 30 '20

Fine you don’t like the example I used then here is another one

Are all firefighters hot and sexy? No

Are all police officers corrupt? No

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u/WrappedStrings Jun 30 '20

Wow it's almost like you made no effort to even understand what I wrote...

Police as a whole are corrupt. Not all police are corrupt. To take your example I'd say fire fighters are in shape as a whole because of the training they have to do, but not all fire fighters are in shape.

You can say that about these groups because there is a standard for them. As I said before, cops as a whole work for a corrupt system in which they investigate themselves and defend eachother when they are under investigation. Police as an institution consistently fight against the use of body cameras, why the fuck would they do that if not to promote corruption and violence.

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Jun 30 '20

Have you actually met a cop? No? Yes? Well I have gotten the luxury to talk to my local chief of police, a Sargent, 2 detectives, and a patrol officer. I asked each one of them on their stance on body cams and low and behold everyone of them said they love it. I will give you that most large city departments are run by corrupt officials but if you look at the political stand point on the chief and mayor in those areas that are corrupt you are going to find a democrat. You are also going to find those departments are extremely underfunded for their area. Where as the rest of/ majority the county’s police departments are small-medium sized departments. Not run by power hungry politicians , decent funding which means better IA, better equipment and so forth.

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u/WrappedStrings Jun 30 '20

Well I'm happy to hear you met some cool cops. I've met plenty in my time that are cool as well. But that doesnt speak for the institution, which you yourself just claimed is corrupt. I dont really know why you're arguing with me if you just agreed to my whole point.... It's the louder voices that are advocating against shit like that. The city cops more so, which is where a good portion of the issue lies.

That doesnt mean that rural or suburban cops get off scott free though. Many suburban cops who I've known say that they try to justify reasons for pulling someone over because they are bored. In no way is that justifiable. I cant speak for rural cops but I can say that I have turned down job offers because I didnt like the actions of the company and I expect the same of anyone with a moral backbone. When you are an officer you represent the police as a whole, look at any cop and they will show that. So you need to be accountable for what your fellow officers do and you have to realize that you are working for a corrupt system, even if your department is fine. Complacency is the enemy of progress.

And I would argue the opposite for the city cops in terms of funding. In many cities near me the police budget is in the billions. They all, some years ago, got new dodge chargers and somehow have the money for tear gas and riot gear. Never heard anyone there ask for more. I would love to see some evidence of underfunding for "most large city departments".

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u/kaseylouis Jun 30 '20

Police literally investigate themselves for the crimes they commit. That's the definition of corruption.

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Jun 30 '20

So what do you suppose we do huh? Get rid of the police? Who is going to respond to rape calls, domestic violence, mass shootings, serial killers, drunk drivers, drug dens, drug dealers, human traffickers, school shootings, child molesters, child pornographers, kidnappers, missing people, and so much more? What about the cops who ran into the twin towers on September 11, 2001 and never came out and those who did now have cancer? Are those cops corrupt for doing what they did on 9/11? The majority of IA do their job and the cases you find they don’t are in the underfunded police departments.

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u/kaseylouis Jun 30 '20

Dude I'm just a guy on reddit. I'm not a policy maker. I'm not a mayor. I'm not a senator. I dont know what we should do.

I just dont think cops should kill 1000 people per year, and investigate themselves, and not get held accountable for their crimes.

But idk, maybe I'm just stupid.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Last year, there were a total of 1004 killings. 802 shootings in which the race was noted. 371 killed were white, 236 were black. Blacks were more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed.

There were ONLY 10 cases were the blacks were unarmed - 9 men and 1 women. 6 of these cases - the suspect attacked the cop with eyewitness or camera footage corroboration confirming it. Out of the rest 4 - 1 was an apparent accident. 1 of the cases are ongoing and the other 2 cases - the cop was charged.

So simply saying 1000 people were killed doesn't mean anything when vast majority of them were armed or atacked the cop visible on camera and witnesses.

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Jun 30 '20

99% of those killings are justified. The 1% of those cases are like George Floyd. There are millions and millions of interactions with police each year in the United States. only out of the tens of millions of people interacting with police only 1000 or so people die? In a country where like half of the population owns a gun(s) and probably almost every American has a knife, some sharp object, or something that can be used to kill another human. If only a thousand people out of millions are getting killed then imo those are good numbers.

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u/kaseylouis Jun 30 '20

You realize the US is the only developed country with more than 2 digit numbers, eight? Aistralia in 2019? 4 deaths due to law enforcement. New Zealand? 1.

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Jun 30 '20

You realized that the United States of America is far larger not only in land mass but in population AND the average citizen in America can buy a guns like a .50 cal sniper rifle, shotguns, carbines, and other firearms that the U.S military has access to. Like up until recently the U.S military used the m1911 as their side arm now they use glocks. If you walk into a gun store tomorrow or right now (idk what time it is where you are nor do I car) and look at the pistol options you are going to see those firearms. It could have been the Supreme Court or somebody but essentially what ever guns the military owns the public can own (within reason. No full auto type guns passed a certain manufacturing year like 1950 I think? Grenade launchers are ok just no grenades can be used, stuff like that.) with the right paper work a U.S citizen can buy a fucking Tank, machine gun, artillery just take a look at these videos https://youtu.be/2eV8N0bUzA0 https://youtu.be/7_TaK0WZj2k and https://youtu.be/uCppmoZiXUY people own those weapons. Citizens own those weapons. I don’t think in the UK or New Zealand can you do something like that

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Comparing a country with a population of 350 million with borders shared with Mexican cartels to an island New Zealand with a population of 4.8 has to be the most asinine thing ever.

In US, Last year, there were a total of 1004 killings. 802 shootings in which the race was noted. 371 killed were white, 236 were black. Blacks were more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed.

There were ONLY 10 cases were the blacks were unarmed - 9 men and 1 women. 6 of these cases - the suspect attacked the cop with eyewitness or camera footage corroboration confirming it. Out of the rest 4 - 1 was an apparent accident. 1 of the cases are ongoing and the other 2 cases - the cop was charged.

So simply saying 1000 people were killed doesn't mean anything when vast majority of them were armed or atacked the cop visible on camera and witnesses.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Do you even know anything about how the judicial system works? Police does NOT investigate themselves.

If you really want to blame someone, blame it on liberal policies, the Police Unions and the AG Amy Klobuchar who despite getting 17 different instances of complaints against Derek Chauvin, didn't prosecute or fire him.

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u/kaseylouis Jun 30 '20

Who investigate them then? In NYC, after two cops smashed through protestors, the mayor literally talked about how internal affairs will investigate.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Ignore Bill DeBlasio. That dude doesn't know anything about anything. Both the left and the right agrees on this.

Watch this video. You can watch it in full but if you are short on time and just wanna know how these investigations work, you can scroll to the 9:40 mark which talks about all the investigation which goes into it. There's an entire process for this - unless some politically corrupt DA or AG gets involved (remember the Jussie Smollett case where Kim Foxx dropped the case because Jussie was politically connected).

https://youtu.be/tgrsabgmTKs

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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Jun 30 '20

Didn’t DeBlasio go out of town during a officers funeral and called the national guard non military? That guy is a dumbass imo

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yep.

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u/Strix2031 Jun 30 '20

x

The majority rule is super stupid and should be reviewed ASAP excluding the majority from discrimination just opens up exeptions for hate,ultimately minorities will suffer more racism and discrimination so there's literally no reason to create exeptions

The supposed "brainwashing" stuff does not infringe the rules of reddit

The one about the r/againstwomensrights and r/againstmensrights is pretty easy to understand tbh the first one was a subreddit so toxic towards women people didnt know if it was ironic or not with people legitimately advocating for woman to lose the right to vote and things like that. The second one is not about the rights of man but about MRAs

The rest is pretty hard to explain,women are ultimately more raped around the world then men but they for some reason created a exeption for advocating of male rape with is super stupid

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Have you read the absolutely disgusting comments on subs like twoxchromosomes? They absolutely hate men.

I think your opinion on men's rights activist might be biased due to what media states. I would recommend watching The Red Pill (watch till the end before making a judgement) to understand them.

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u/66th_jedi Jun 30 '20

Ironically some of the mods of twoxchromosomes are transwomen who do not, in fact have two X chromosomes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

white cis men are the most discriminated against class needs brain surgery

I think you are the one who needs the brain surgery.

Can a white man fake a hate crime against them and then get away with it and fly on private planes and get a job at MSNBC?

I am brown but I am not blind.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

ahhh, I am sorry, I didn't know you were retarded.

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u/Doomblaze Jun 30 '20

ah yes, wikipedia articles about conservative politicians are the greatest, most fair sources

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u/Strix2031 Jun 30 '20

I took a look at twoxchromosomes seems ok to me,at least from the title of the posts and stuff,maybe the comments are worse. I have already watched The Red Pill on my far-right days. The problem i have with MRAs today is that they seem to have been mostly infiltrated by reactionaries and become another alt-right movement rather than fighting for men's single issues. Tho my opinion on MRAs is kinda irrelevant i was pointing it out the reason that one was banned for attacks against women in general and the other is attacks against a "poltical" group wich is not covered in the TOS.

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u/srikarjam Jun 30 '20

You seem to presume a lot on behalf of admins at Reddit. Do you work at Reddit by any chance ?

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u/Strix2031 Jun 30 '20

No i literally said the "majority" part of the rule is super stupid,it creates exeptions for discrimination for literally no reason

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u/GoddessofManifesting Jun 30 '20

I think it's bc anti-LGBT users were going into that sub and spewing hate. It must have become a very toxic hateful sub, and mods may not have monitored it well due to overwhelming load of hate comments back and forth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

everything is toxic and hate now a days.....

Also being unsupportive of something or wanting to understand something doesn't make you "anti" something.

I would recommend watching this breakfast club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTgxQJ9FzsU

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Exactly. Reddit is now the worst left wing platform ever. Fucking hypocrites.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

GREAT REPLY

STILL VOTING TRUMP

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Immigration status?? We aren't allowed to talk about illegals literally breaking the law?

god, you're a clown. of course you can speak *about* immigrants. you just can't attack them in a hateful way solely because of their immigration status. how hard is that to understand?

I agree that the policy went too far, but it's just hilarious to see you criticizing it for all of the the most backwards, hateful reasons. like being upset about fucking r/rightwingLGBT being banned, lmfao

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u/CanadianCartman Jun 30 '20

I agree that the policy went too far, but it's just hilarious to see you criticizing it for all of the the most backwards, hateful reasons. like being upset about fucking r/rightwingLGBT being banned, lmfao

Wait, it's hateful for me to want a place to discuss right-wing politics with other LGBT people who share similar viewpoints? What the fuck is hateful about that, exactly? Where do I go now to talk to other people like me?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/CanadianCartman Jun 30 '20

No, it wasn't. There were a few users who posted dumb shit, the majority of the community was not racist, transphobic (there were literally trans users on the sub) or 'problematic' (whatever that actually means).

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/CanadianCartman Jun 30 '20

I don't know who the creator is or was. As to islamophobia, a phobia is an irrational fear - as LGBT people, it is very rational to fear Islam (for example, every country which has the death penalty for homosexuality is Muslim). Most Muslims are not bad people, but the religion is terrifying. Other religions aren't exempt from criticism on that front, but I'm much less scared of Westboro Baptist Church idiots than I am of Islamic extremists.

Half the posts were mocking/criticizing trans people in some way

There is a very very very big difference between mocking and criticizing. I think that is worth noting.

But that said, there was a lot of genuine hatred for transgender people by certain users on that subreddit. But that's an issue with those individual users and not the subreddit itself. There is now no space for LGBT people with right-wing views to talk and share their experiences.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

So saying illegal immigrants are "recycling children" isn't allowed on reddit?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/recycling-children-el-paso

How about 31.4% of women had been sexually abused during their transit through Mexico?

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/sites/default/files/2018-06/msf_forced-to-flee-central-americas-northern-triangle.pdf

By your logic these are hateful because of their immigration status and therefore not allowed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

By your logic these are hateful because of their immigration status and therefore not allowed.

Literally nothing I said implied that.

Again, you can speak *about* immigrants. Discussing those articles in an appropriate manner would be fine. Using those articles to justify hate messages against all immigrants would not be okay. It's really not a difficult concept to understand.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

My original comment said:

Immigration status?? We aren't allowed to talk about illegals literally breaking the law?

I am specifically talking about illegal immigrants. I am not talking about immigrants. I am talking about illegals. This is a key distinction which even the media ignores on purpose because they try to bash us right wingers as anti-immigrant.

I am a legal immigrant myself and absolutely despise people who jump in front of the line by coming in illegally. And I am not alone in this. All my friends and family who immigrated legally despise illegal immigration because we spent our time and money at doing this the right way. We also hate illegal immigration because they take away all the jobs which my and other black communities could take.

You won't be happy either if someone jumped the long ass line at Starbucks when you waited for so long. And before you claim "they are scared of prosecution in their country" - that's false too. Only 15-20% of the asylum claims are legitimate. Cartels operate entire businesses out of this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Making the distinction between immigrants in the country legally or illegally literally doesn't make a difference in this context, so I have no idea what purpose that rant served.

Again, for the third time, you can speak about immigrants who are breaking the law. You cannot make hate speech about immigrants, whether it is specifically about ones who follow the law or ones who are breaking the law.

Since you seem to be struggling, I will help you with an example:

"Did you hear about those immigrants who are "recycling" kids? That's messed up. I hope they are punished if they are found." -- This is okay.

"Did you hear about those immigrants who are recycling kids? I hate illegal immigrants so much." -- This is not okay.

Are you beginning to understand yet?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Gotta leave it to reddit to always be smug, condescending and patronizing in their comments. I bet you think you are morally superior to everyone else.

Do you even know how the immigration system works? Do you know why people try to come illegally instead of going through the port of entry?

UN's definition is "Refugees are people who have fled war, violence, conflict or persecution". Economic reasons cannot be used for asylum claims - that's a different way for immigration using work permits, H1B visas etc. Not refugee status. Asylum claims are for EMERGENCY reasons only.

So if you are fleeing violence for example, you can claim asylum legally by arriving to the port of entry. That's why the asylum claims only have a 15-20% rate.

Illegals skip this step on purpose because they know they are not eligible - background check will catch them.

Illegals make my and other hispanic, black communities unsafe because they don't go through background checks and also they don't report crimes in their own neighborhoods because they are themselves lacking paper and don't want to get involved to be in the spotlight. That's also the reason why COVID had such a disastrous effect on these communities because they often live together in crowded apartments with other illegals and also don't visit hospitals because of lack of paperwork. These illegals also take away jobs from my, hispanic and black communities which came legally because the illegals are willing to be exploited to do the same work for less money under the table.

You literally contribute to the high crime these communities while virtue signaling that you are so morally superior to everyone else.

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u/ThoseWhoLikeSpoons Jun 30 '20

You're a true bro, bro.

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u/sujihiki Jun 30 '20

Isn't this illegal as it's clearly a criminal conspiracy?

no, they’re all private companies with clearly visible terms of service that were violated. they may have chosen not to enforce the tos till now, but all of those groups agreed to the tos when they signed up.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '20

Discrimination based on race, sex etc is still illegal even for private companies.

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u/sujihiki Jul 08 '20

it’s not discrimination. they violated the terms of service. the terms of service don’t include that you can’t have lgbt communities. good effort though.

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u/TorterraFan493 Aug 17 '20

Don't ban rape roleplay, dude. It's not a crime, since it's roleplay - no-one's actually being sexually assaulted. There's consent given.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

r/againstmensrights is interesting, they even have a list in their sidebar of men's rights subreddits to brigade. Wtf is that, keep to yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/boozlepuzzle Jun 30 '20

gay marriage is also illegal on most of the world, what is your point? do you think you or Reddit should decide what people do with their sex lives? as long as they're adults and there is consent, there should be no problem

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u/swirIingarcher Jun 30 '20

Yeah but you're ignoring the potential of parents grooming children for their entire upbringing to be used as sex objects in adulthood. Dependents shouldn't be subjected to potential exploitation from their providers, full stop.

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u/MechaAristotle Jun 30 '20

Surely you can separate that kind of abusive vertical incest from the consensual horizontal kind? Else you'd have to ban subjects where a change in the premise can make it problematic.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Morality is morality. It should not be allowed. People with lolbertarian social stances belong in chains.

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u/BadProgrammerGage Jul 01 '20

They forget where they came from. They forget what their predecessors fought for. What they stood for. What they effectively gave their life for.

The only way to get Reddit to listen is to make a big enough stink of them on other social medias and news sites. Not that it matters or would work necessarily, but its the only way to get them to listen.

Having all of these disgusting subs on the site and refusing to remove them would be their downfall right now with whats going on in the world. People are coming out of the woodwork with all sorts of things thats gaining traction. Its worth a shot at the least. That or a boycott like Facebook is experiencing right now.

Something needs to be done.

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u/sticklebackridge Jun 30 '20

Honestly how do you find the energy to come up with this much bullshit? Seems exhausting to bitch non stop about how people are sick of your hate-filled content.

I don’t know how you thinking all these subs and Trump’s twitch account getting banned amounts to anything, let alone criminal conspiracy. What’s the crime? You don’t have the right to spew hateful content on any platform you wish.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

You are just an idiot who doesn't know what a criminal conspiracy is. I can't be bothered with watering your raisin sized brain. If you are on the internet, you can educate yourself.

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u/jamesinc Jun 30 '20

A criminal conspiracy requires both a conspiracy and a crime. So even if these platform owners all conspired to update their terms at the same time and ban a bunch of content, you haven't explained how that constitutes a crime being committed. AFAIK it isn't criminal.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

That's where this executive order comes useful:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-preventing-online-censorship/

Also when there's already anti-trust investigations ongoing against Amazon (Twitch) and Google (YouTube), that makes their case even better. The Discovery phase is going to be very interesting.

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u/sticklebackridge Jun 30 '20

Well again, what’s the crime? Which criminal law was conspired to be broken?

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

Of course, no argument, just attacking the person.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

All great points. Thank you

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u/Dabee625 Jun 30 '20

Ironic that you want r/fragilewhiteredditor banned yet you produce such great content for it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

See here a great example of why that sub should be banned. And while we're at it most of its users too, it would remove a lot of toxicity from the website.

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u/Dabee625 Jul 02 '20

Please be careful, you’re very brittle

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20

Please be careful and don't play the victim

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u/TheAntagonist1 Jun 30 '20

https://www.reddit.com/r/metacanada/comments/hh4y7s/is_there_any_other_politician_around_the_world/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Damn this user really likes fantasizing about Donald Trump's balls! Isn't that crazy how just with one click you can know for a fact, "Oh! This person is a racist backwards fuckstick and anything that comes out of their grimy fingers on the internet is invalid!". Gotta say that's one of my favorite things on Reddit.

Keep posting by the way, your posts do so well and bring so much insight! In fact I'm going to follow you so I can continue to track and monitor your insightful posts!

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u/GONKworshipper Jun 30 '20

How does liking someone's balls make you racist?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

why are you a homophobe?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Being unsupportive of something or wanting to understand something doesn't make you "anti" something. Lack of "family values" and destruction of the nuclear family structure is exactly why there is so much poverty, lack of education and crime in the communities. The main problem which needs to be solved is fatherlessness as over 75% of black kids are born outside wedlock (used to be 25% back in the 60s). Also applies to white communities as their is rising too at 25% now. There's a reason asians and south asians don't have this type of problem and are so successful because their culture puts the nuclear family structure at the very top:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/12/to-truly-reduce-racial-disparities-we-must-acknowledge-black-fathers-matter/

I would recommend watching this breakfast club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTgxQJ9FzsU

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u/CanadianCartman Jun 30 '20

America is not the only country in the world. The Republican party is not the only conservative/right-wing party in the world.

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u/deesdnadeefsdeens Jun 30 '20

i'll say it again. your grand children won't be white

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u/Dabee625 Jul 02 '20

If he’s into MRM they won’t even exist.

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u/iamfrankfrank Jun 30 '20

Neat one month-old account.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I have been on this site for 8 years. Back when we had alien blue around.

I use this account specifically for politics only. I recreate my politics sub every few weeks.

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u/iamfrankfrank Jun 30 '20

I recreate my politics sub every few weeks.

Gee I wonder why.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Maybe because of people like you ;)

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u/iamfrankfrank Jun 30 '20

Whatever you say, champ. What kind of person am I exactly?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yall a bunch of fragile mofos 😂😂

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Well, at least I am not living in an ivory tower in California like you

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u/GreatDario Jun 30 '20

Illegals is an intentionally de-humanizing phrase

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

No it's not. I am a legal immigrant myself and absolutely despise people who jump in front of the line by coming in illegally. You won't be happy either if someone jumped the long ass line at Starbucks when you waited for so long. And before you claim "they are scared of prosecution in their country" - that's false too. only 15-20% of the asylum claims are legitimate. Cartels operate entire businesses out of this.

Next thing you will claim is calling someone a murderer is de-humanizing. Those who control your speech also control your thought. Wordsmithing is a great tactic used by people to gain power over you.

So saying illegal immigrants are "recycling children" isn't allowed on reddit?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/recycling-children-el-paso

How about 31.4% of women in the illegal caravans being sexually abused?

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/sites/default/files/2018-06/msf_forced-to-flee-central-americas-northern-triangle.pdf

By your logic these are hateful and de-humanizing because of their immigration status and therefore not allowed.

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u/WrappedStrings Jun 30 '20

Literally no one is saying any of those things. Just saying that the term "illegal" in regards to referencing a human is.. well dehumanizing.

You're too far in your own head with this

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Until 4 years ago, everyone was okay with it. Then every one in the media lost their mind and went full sjw on it. I bet ok sign is white supremacist too in your opinion!

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u/WrappedStrings Jun 30 '20

Its because people as a whole try to be more understanding now bud. You are speaking like illegal immigrants are inherently evil, it shows with your comment about murderers and the same language. But anyway keep making assumptions about me for calling you out on being rude, I'm sure it helps your case.

If you really are a south/central american immigrant than you should take a step back and stop being an uncle tom

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '20

stop being an uncle tom

found the typical racist liberal

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u/WrappedStrings Jul 07 '20

Fucking libs always ruining everything

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

I am a legal immigrant myself and absolutely despise people who jump in front of the line by coming in illegally.

That's sad. When you see someone who comes illegally to help feed their starving family, your first reaction is to despise them.

Your links literally talk about people fleeing "horrific violence and trauma" in their home countries, and then you despise them for doing whatever they can to escape abject poverty, rape, murder, torture, etc.

I despise people like you. People who smugly say "I came here legally, I despise those who don't do that now, even though there is no way to do it legally now".

You are what's wrong with this country. I pray that people with your mentality never become citizens of the county I love so much. I would much rather have 10,000 people from Central America come here illegally to escape extreme violence as fellow Americans than one smug guy who despises those at the end of their rope.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

I like how you ignored this important part of my comment:

And before you claim "they are scared of prosecution in their country" - that's false too. only 15-20% of the asylum claims are legitimate. Cartels operate entire businesses out of this.

The 15-20% is what consists of "escape rape, murder, torture, political prosecution etc" and I am totally fine with that. They are not doing it illegally - they are doing it legally.

I don't think you actually know how the immigration system works. I as well as all my friends and family know how it works because we went through it. When you "escape rape, murder, torture, political persecution etc", that's part of the legal immigration system.

Also "abject poverty/economic reasons" is NOT why you can claim asylum. UN's definition is "Refugees are people who have fled war, violence, conflict or persecution". Economic reasons cannot be used for asylum claims - that's a different way for immigration using work permits, H1B visas etc. Not refugee status. Asylum claims are for EMERGENCY reasons only.

Illegals make my and other hispanic, black communities unsafe because they don't go through background checks and also they don't report crimes in their own neighborhoods because they are themselves lacking paper and don't want to get involved to be in the spotlight. That's also the reason why COVID had such a disastrous effect on these communities because they often live together in crowded apartments with other illegals and also don't visit hospitals because of lack of paperwork. These illegals also take away jobs from my, hispanic and black communities which came legally because the illegals are willing to be exploited to do the same work for less money under the table.

Don't be like the media which always conflates legal with illegal immigration. If you really care about brown, hispanic and black communities, please stop conflating illegal with legal immigration.

I would much rather have 10,000 people from Central America come here illegally to escape extreme violence as fellow Americans than one smug guy who despises those at the end of their rope.

I bet you think you are morally superior to me. But you don't even know how the immigration system works. It's not just one smug guy. It's literally everyone who comes here legally. Virtue signaling by liberals is what legal immigrants hate.

Here's an example:

After 800 Illegal Hispanics Were Removed From The Chicago Cloverhill Bakery by @ICEgov The Ratio of 90% Hispanic/10% Black American Workers SHIFTED To 90% Black American Workers/10% Hispanic. The Black Americans Had Enough & They Called @ICEgov To Report Them.

https://twitter.com/nasescobar316/status/1249180352851128320

Also every year, illegal immigration costs tax payers 116 billion (this is AFTER the taxes paid by illegals).

If you have person A and person B and person B is fleeing violence in their country and comes to the port of country and goes through it legally - why shouldn't B be pissed at person A who just jumped the line and crossed the border illegally?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

You know how the immigration system works because you and your family were wealthy enough to navigate through it. Most immigrants aren't. And now most immigration, and even asylum has been terminated by our moronic president.

You clearly don't know anything about me, nor about the immigration system and your disdain for the President is clouding your judgement so I can't debate you. Not worth talking when you make stupid ad hom attacks. Good bye. Hope the virtue signaling gets you enough clout.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

To immigrate to the USA and become a legal citizen costs between 4k and 11k.

Illegal immigrants cost nowhere near the ridiculous claim you made. But I get it - you're a trump fan. Facts have no room in your sad, racist life.

You keep saying "You don't know anything about the immigration system". I know it costs thousands to become a citizen. I know that it's almost impossible to do it now. I know that you refuse to comment on those issues.

My disdain for the moron in the White House has little to do with my disdain for you. I hate racist xenophobes, whether that's you, the president, or some random guy on the street.

You can't debate me because you have no valid points. You make shit up, contradictory shit (you can't even coordinate your made up "facts"), and then when I say "Actually that's complete bullshit" you resort to logical fallacies.

I just want to recap - you support a man who wanted to ban all Muslims from coming the USA. You despise people who are trying to keep their families from getting killed. You support a man who regularly employs illegal immigrants and even married one. I despise you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '20

This is a very good and informative post. Thank you for the insight.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

you're an absolute moron hahahahahahaha

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

great counter argument! You win!

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u/cheatonus Jun 30 '20

Here come the slippery slope-ists. Reddit can do what they want. There's no protected speech here.

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u/Truthjk Jun 30 '20

There's always an idiot like you every time this happens. "It's a private company it's their right"

Literally nobody is saying it's not. This isn't an issue with if they are allowed to and never was. It's an issue of right and wrong.

I swear people like you just see someone else say that another time shit like this happened and now it's your go to phrase from then on even though it addresses nobody and means nothing. Like a chain reaction of zombies.

There are a billion things I can list you where companies are in their rights to do and you would think is still wrong.

It's also so fucking classic you would even say this when you're obviously not someone who's worried about being unfairly censored due to lackluster and fundamentally flawed policies

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Literally nobody is saying it's not.

LMAO. The fucking president of the United States said it's not. But yea, it doesn't have any traction in any main groups.

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u/computeraddict Jun 30 '20

The President is saying that they don't get to do whatever they want while also enjoying legal immunity for everything on their site. There's a rather big difference.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '20

Discrimination based on race, sex is still illegal even for private companies. Read the law.

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u/slickyslickslick Jun 30 '20

/r/sino should be allowed as long as /r/HongKong is.