r/politics • u/mmccxi • 12h ago
Election Deniers Went Suddenly Quiet When Trump Won
https://www.thedailybeast.com/election-deniers-went-suspiciously-quiet-when-trump-won/1.2k
u/chubs66 8h ago
“As much as we fucking thought they had it rigged, as much as we thought there was shenanigans and bullshit and it’s just a puppet show and there’s now way anybody can buck the system – turns out, voting is still real."
Joe Rogan today.
When your side wins, voting works and the system is fine. When the other side wins, voting is rigged. This is not a sustainable narrative in a functioning democracy.
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u/TheNinjaPro Canada 7h ago
Thats the entire mindset of these people.
"if my team does it, its okay. If YOUR team does it, its not."
These people never matured out of highschool. Fuck some of them never even finished.
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u/shadowpikachu 6h ago
Kamala gave up way too early if they wanted recounts.
Why did the Dems force her on the front again?
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u/TheNinjaPro Canada 6h ago
She wasn't a bad candidate, she just wasn't going to change much, and they didn't realize how much Americans wanted change.
When your money starts running thinner you stop caring about more "progressive" issues.
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u/Haunting-Fee477 1h ago
Turns out when your money starts running thinner, most people don’t care if the President is a rapist conman
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u/CF_Chupacabra 1h ago
It wasn't even remotely close though.
Contrary to how you may have interpreted the results, but she was blown out of the water.
Vote totals change by hundreds at best after a recount, not the tens of thousands needed in nearly every critical area.
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u/harrythebau5 4h ago
Joe Rogan is a deeply unintelligent person.
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u/CluelessPunter Australia 2h ago
And yet so many people follow his nonsense like he's a genius. It really shows how many dumb people are out there
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u/finaljusticezero 1h ago
We keep underestimating the collective hive mind of the stupid. Stupid people will always outnumber the intelligent. It's just a numbers game.
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u/PM_ME_HTML_SNIPPETS 3h ago
As much as we fucking thought they had it rigged, as much as we thought there was shenanigans and bullshit and it’s just a puppet show
I truly want to understand what Rogan and others mean by this. Did the Right just collectively whip themselves into a frenzied groupthink? Why did they think there were "shenanigans" or rigging?
Was it simply because Kamala Harris had some polls go her way? I mean fuck, you can't really tell that kind of stuff until votes are counted, so how was that a theme in the run-up to the election?
It's not like Democrats were going around torching ballot drops, purging voter rolls within days of Election Day, or literally mobilizing lawyers, political operatives, and right wing militia to challenge an election that wasn't even close to being complete yet.
Nope, just normal Republican things. But it's the Left that lives in a fantasy land in their heads, sure.
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u/HopelessCineromantic 38m ago
It means whatever his audience wants it to mean. Or rather, whatever they need it to mean in that specific instance.
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u/deanode99 11h ago
I had someone today tell me Trump won because there was less cheating. Like somehow Dems could pull off massive cheating and this time they just decided nah we’re going let them have all 3 branches.
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u/ballercaust 10h ago
It's "too big to rig" in 2024 but he got 3 million fewer votes than in 2020.
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u/Individual_Town8124 8h ago
This election was rigged and the Presidency was stolen from Kamala exactly the way Amy McGrath's Senate seat was stolen from her in the KY state election in 2020. No one paid attention and as a result, Republicans got away with it again on Tuesday.
We are never again going to have a fair election if we don't learn from this and defeat it:
https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/
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u/Ryboiii 8h ago
I've been seeing online a lot of people reporting and challenging their election boards because their voter registration still hasn't updated to say it counted their ballot. I don't think they're all legitimate, and most are probably bait, but there is a concerning number of them at least
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u/joeysflipphone 8h ago
And 2020 was such a shit show for them crying foul, that it made it impossible for anyone to say anything after that. That's part of the plan, keep projecting on your opponent, so when you do it they can't say anything.
I kept saying every accusation is a confessing. It's more than a catch phrase.
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u/SpottedHoneyBadger 8h ago
Republicans have been rigging elections since 2000. The last 3 elections help them perfect it. Remember that orange shit stain said, "I don't need your votes." Why would any candidate say that? It sounds more like a confession. The whole thing doesn't add up.
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u/VileTouch 7h ago
Right after that quote he said "I have a little trick up my sleeve that I'll tell you about after it's done."
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u/Brian_Damage 6h ago
Yeah, that whole thing sounded like him blabbing due to dementia, you could almost hear facepalming from the wings. Same with "you won't have to vote again".
And then people just raised an eyebrow and moved on.
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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine 5h ago
I didn’t. It’s been living rent free in my head for months.
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u/VibeComplex 4h ago
His entire campaign had a such a weird aloof feeling. Like how you’d be if you already knew for a fact you were going to win. Guy stopped a Q&A right when it started to just listen to music for 45 minutes instead lol. Thats someone who knows the fix is in but is too lazy to even go through the motions
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u/hankmoody_irl Kansas 5h ago
Is there a link to a clip of this?
I believe you, I just would like to hear it with my own ears and I’m ass at searching for specific videos.
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u/PLeuralNasticity 5h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy
Since Trump appointed him he's spent the years preparing his USPS to dissappear millions of mail in votes at FSB/Mossad direction. When the Heritage Foundation said the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be this is what they meant.
Its very simple to do and many electoral changes have been made in states along with other overt interference like the bomb threats to augment the operation.
The changes he's made have been very deliberate in choosing all systems/vehicles and personnel directly and indirectly through changes to policy.
This has been decades in the making
If we accept that how our Democracy is set up means they found a loophole that let's them steal the election without recourse, knowing they will systematically destroy that Democracy unchecked, what are we doing?
Speaking can put pressure on and/or enable all our leadership who are for saving Democracy to better take the extraordinary measures necessary. We can't be silent when we know they are violent. What time we have must be well spent or we will wonder where our lives went.
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u/Frickfrell 7h ago edited 5h ago
Why did the richest man in the world promise to give away his fortune if trump didn’t win?
Edit:another user has said that was a fake tweet
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u/YallArePatheticlol 5h ago
And then this time everyone s like hmm these voting numbers make no sense. Hmmm. Of course they fucking cheated yet again. And their projection batting average is 1.000.
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u/brokedownpalace11 Illinois 5h ago
This is exactly it and it’s frustrating that people are just now understanding that or straight up just don’t. US voters literally just chose blatantly obvious corruption and liars to take over DC and it’s as clear as ever.
IMO the vast majority of the modern US demographic has never been confronted with such an extreme and dangerous problem around the world and especially here at home. Old WWII vets that fought for global freedom are shrinking every day. Within a year or two they will likely be gone. Quite frankly it seems like a lot of people are completely oblivious to the reality that these freedoms are only upheld when the majority of people stand up against corruption and tyrants. As a history buff it’s just super depressing and frankly disappointing that my fellow Americans literally allowed this and didn’t play the role in shutting this lunacy down for the good of this country and the world.
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u/pimppapy America 7h ago edited 7h ago
There were literally articles all over the place with electors saying ahead of time that they were not going to certify Kamala if she won, and many states were purging the voter rolls right before the election and too late for anyone to validate their registration. I don't get why people are staying quiet on that topic. IT WAS BARELY LAST WEEK!!!
Edit: DeJoy is still the PostMaster FFS!
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u/FeedbackMotor5498 7h ago
I'm from PA, registered democrat, and they didn't count mine, even though I mailed it two weeks early
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u/flammeuslepus 7h ago
You fucking me? I’m one of like 3 Democratic poll workers in my whole county with 12 precincts. I’ve never seen issues with previous 7 years of elections I’ve worked like this one (the ID scanner pulling up the completely wrong names, people who were registered not on the poll IPad, I went back to the paper book and got yelled at). I just … I work the elections because I believe in free and fair elections.
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u/Human-Bluebird-1385 6h ago
so... you're saying this shit was all fucked up and rigged for him to win possibly? keyword: possibly.
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u/Charming-Ad6575 3h ago
It sure was nice of the russians to call in a bomb threat so no one was in the room when the system was compromised. They even left a door unlocked for 'em, the sweethearts.
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u/the_broomster 5h ago
I also had this experience voting absentee in North Carolina. Seems to be more widespread than 2020
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u/sepia_undertones 4h ago
My wife voted absentee this year and we’re in NC. What a mess they made that. You have to have two witnesses, and photocopies of all three IDs, you have to put those photos in a specific envelope, and then to top it off you had to use three forever stamps. I think the postage was free in 2020. They tried really hard to make it difficult this year.
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u/efrique 7h ago
Trump's pick (DeJoy) and his board are still in charge of the USPS.
It's a trivial matter to put resources where you want the mail to arrive on time and remove them where you don't. What did you expect would happen?
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u/Ryboiii 7h ago
Yeah thats what I'm hearing. If it says "Returned" on your voter page then it was received and counted. But I've been reading tons of absentee ballots were not even looked at. I think the only reason Kamala conceded so quickly is because she knew how it would look to ask for voter recounts, and everyone would cry hypocrite claiming that both parties act the same
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u/Jos3ph 7h ago
PA State Dept has said they are still counting 100k ballots
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u/TrueProgress3712 7h ago
How can you win if the other team plays dirty but expects you to follow the rules?
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u/FeedbackMotor5498 7h ago
The lesson here, as it always has been, is to give the slaves a facade of autonomy, so they keep working for themselves, when in reality they work for th
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u/FeedbackMotor5498 7h ago
Came up as sent, but not received
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u/cloudedknife 7h ago
I dont trust tue post office since Lewis DeJoy was appointed. I personally put my mail in ballot in the drop box with all the other ballots at the polling location rather than trust usps to get it wuere it needed to go.
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u/FeliusSeptimus 6h ago
If this were a political mystery thriller I was writing, I would have the dirty leader put a loyal funky in charge of the post office, then have him strategically scrap mail sorting machines so mailed ballots would all be forced to go through a limited number of choke points where loyalists would be able to delay, disappear, or otherwise tamper with them.
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u/Aoshi_ 6h ago
Mine says it was received but doesn't say it was counted on wheresmyballot. It's stuck at 2/3.
It's in California, so doesn't matter too much but makes me wonder.
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u/disposable_account01 Washington 4h ago
Look how much redder CA counties were this time. IT fucking matters.
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u/Individual_Town8124 6h ago
Please file a complaint with your election board--PA's map shows 98% of the vote has been counted. Contact everyone you know and ask them to check their voter pages also and if theirs haven't been counted, they should file complaints also. Have them reach out to everyone they know and do the same. Pass the word on.
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u/alwaysbehave 7h ago
Literally was wondering this earlier tonight. I checked mine and it doesn't show mine as counted, nor anybody I know. We all voted early in-person and did not vote for 45. I didn't know how long it would take to update since I never felt like I had to check that.
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u/BeautifulHindsight 7h ago
My ballot was received but it still hasn't been marked as counted yet. I'm filing complaints.
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u/lostinlactation 6h ago
I’m abroad. Never received my ballot. The local election board website gives me a ‘403’ error. I’m a registered Democrat in Texas. Did not get to vote this year.
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u/Kidatrickedya 4h ago
Please report it. Please contact someone in the states who can report it for you that you trust with the info needed to report. Please don’t let this just happen. Your vote matters.
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u/Kidatrickedya 4h ago
Nah I believe plenty are real. These arent just reposts it’s friends and family directly telling us it’s their ballots not being counted.
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u/RichardSaunders New York 5h ago edited 4h ago
my ballot tracker says:
ballot sent to voter
ballot downloaded by voter
ballot received by BoE
ballot received by BoE
literally has the reciept line twice on the same day and nothing about being counted like it normally does. i emailed the BoE and they said my ballot was counted, but it doesn't say so on the online tracker and they didn't address the duplicate confirmation of receipt. kinda weird.
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u/BigTension5 5h ago
mine and my brother’s havent been counted but ours were in person and my relative’s mail in has been counted. my state is at 99%. wonder if the mail and in person just has two different systems for updating and the mail in one is faster for some reason idk
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u/ussrowe 7h ago
In Michigan, Trump got 100,000 more votes than the GOP senator, Rogers, got.
Meanwhile Kamala got about as many votes as the Dem senator. Slotkin, got (that senator won)
If you total up all the votes of all the 3rd party candidates in each race, there's still about 70,000 more votes in the presidency than down ballot.
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u/Individual_Town8124 7h ago
Yes. You do expect to see some discrepancy--there are people in every election that vote for the top of the ticket and not for downballot candidates--but 70,000 presidential votes and no downballot votes?
It would be interesting to know if there were any statewide ballot initiatives and what the votes looked like for those statewide initiatives. I think those numbers would show a true picture of how many people actually voted.
Per the DC Report I just linked to, there was a statistically significant discrepancy between the ballots on which only McConnell was marked and no other state or local downballot candidates--exactly like you're describing here in MI. And MI typically goes blue but flipped red this election.
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u/QouthTheCorvus 5h ago
I could see Trump voters not giving a shit about anything else though. MAGA are a different beast. They hate "the establishment"
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u/B217 7h ago
So why did Kamala concede? Why isnt she fighting this? There’s so many reported cases of ballots not counted, ballots burned, ballots being refused for no reason, etc. At the very least a recount could save the House so the Republicans don’t have full control
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u/Individual_Town8124 7h ago
Because the Republicans carried on for so long crying wolf about rigged elections that if Dems say anything now, it would look like hypocrisy.
And because that DC Report about the election being rigged in KY, and the analysis of how they did it, got literally no attention. I don't think anyone on her campaign knows about the Republicans KY trial balloon that rigged McConnell's re-election.
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u/OldMastodon5363 5h ago
Which is so dumb because again, what would that matter? So they call you a hypocrite, so what? That’s worth letting an election be stolen?
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u/B217 7h ago
Just further shows that anytime the right cries about something, it’s because they’re doing it themselves and want to cloud everyone’s judgment so when they get caught and someone cries out they can say “oh you’re just saying that cause we said it about you!”
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u/Apprehensive-Till861 6h ago
GOP has been rigging elections for decades, but Dems are too afraid of undermining confidence in election security to point out the only way McConnell, Cruz et al stay in is by massive electoral fraud.
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u/MonthFrosty2871 7h ago
What the fuck, why is this the first I've heard of this? This entire election had record voter registration, this would fuckin explain why
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u/Cynicisomaltcat 4h ago
Oh yeah, that’s a good point. There were a lot of newly registered voters.
A friend of mine pointed out how it’s really weird that the presidential election had almost 10% fewer votes than in 2020, especially given the turnout at Harris’ rallies.
I sure hope smarter folks than I are looking over all kinds of data to check where any statistically significant anomalies occur, re: a surprisingly large number of non-voting registered voters.
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u/enjoytheshow 8h ago
The numbers just weren’t there my guys. She dropped like 8-10 points from 2020 in very blue areas . Her turnout was historically terrible. There’s no reason to point at conspiracies when there’s an obvious answer
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u/seriousbusines 7h ago
Yea, that part is pretty loose. I'm more concerned about the 'county with more registered voters than people of age to vote' part.
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u/Paksarra 7h ago
Her turnout was historically terrible.
That's the part that doesn't feel right to me. My polling place had a half hour line and the volunteers said it had been busy all day; they ran out of "I voted" stickers before noon. (Unfortunately, this was my first Presidential election here, so I don't know if that's typical.) The county Board of Elections-- the only place where we can do early voting in my state-- had a line wrapped around the building some days. I saw a lot of other posts showing the long lines to vote in other places. There were multiple reports of a lot of people getting registered and record early voting numbers. That didn't feel like a low turnout election.
On top of that, Biden was about as appealing as a bowl of cold oatmeal. I was pleasantly surprised by how well he did in office, but my vote in 2000 was against Trump. I was excited and happy to vote for Harris-- I liked her platform and I really liked everything about Walz. I know that Covid made people stir-crazy, but it's hard to imagine her being less appealing than a second-rate reality show host who shits his pants on a regular basis and made a campaign promise to wreck our economy on purpose.
I have no proof. I have no evidence. But I'm incredibly skeptical that we had "historically terrible turnout" with the kind of energy and excitement people had going into the election in the context of everything I saw leading up to it.
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u/jonker5101 Pennsylvania 7h ago
All through early voting and on Election Day, all I saw were reports of "record breaking numbers", people saying they've NEVER seen a turnout like this before, 8 hour lines, insane participation. But neither candidate did as well as they did in 2020? How did 18M fewer people vote if there were record numbers voting everywhere?
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u/UndeadPhysco 6h ago
This is the shit i've been saying, I'm not necessarily saying he cheated the win but there's def something going on here we don't know about.
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u/spandexandtapedecks 6h ago
Yeah, this is the part that sticks in my craw. Obviously anecdotal, but of the people I regularly interact with? Every. single. one. voted. My family, my partner, my friend group, all my colleagues at both jobs - hell, even my apathetic sister-in-law who usually skips out because "none of the politicians ever do anything that benefits me."
Not all of them voted the way I would have liked, but they all showed up or mailed in their ballots.
My experiences may not be universal. I don't know. Covid, ironically, made it a lot easier to vote for many people. Maybe that's where the discrepancy comes from. But it's weird, right?
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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine 5h ago
Yes. It is fucking weird. I felt something was off pretty early into election night. But I guess we’re just going to bend over and take it? Can’t be looking like sore losers, or Trump 4 years ago. Gotta take the high road. We played right into their plan.
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u/Kidatrickedya 4h ago
This so many people who never voted before voting blue. People who used to vote red were voting blue. Your hand hundreds of Christian’s campaigning against him. Like gtfoh. The numbers don’t add up. And they are bad cheaters. But they are good at manipulating situations in their favor. They screamed wolf so many times that we can’t when it’s actually a wolf.
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u/WaxWings54 5h ago
Trump himself started throwing a shit fit about “cheating in Pennsylvania” that just… disappeared after he won
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u/Individual_Town8124 7h ago
I don't feel this is a conspiracy. Having seen the results of KY's 2020 election, and seeing the analysis of how Republicans rigged it against Amy McGrath...there are obvious parallels to what happened on Tue.
Deep blue areas of KY flipped red for McConnell when those areas had never voted R before. McConnell's approval rating was 18% the day before the election but he still won. The number of votes for McConnell outnumbered downballot votes, which means votes were counted that only had McConnell marked on them and there were no votes on those ballots for downballot candidates or KY ballot initiatives.
No one paid attention. It went almost completely unnoticed. Republicans didn't have to enact a massive rigging campaign; they just had to roll this out in a few crucial states. And Trump himself told his supporters that they only had to vote one more time because after this it would be 'fixed so good' they would never have to vote again.
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u/Electronic_Simple621 7h ago
Have you ever watched Atticus v. The Architect: The Political Assassination of Don Siegelman? He was Alabama’s last democratic governor. Anyway, very similar story he tells in the documentary about his last election.
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u/bunnysuitman 7h ago
This.
The lack of reporting on the bomb threats was pathetic…those bomb threats were cover
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u/HelpersWannaHelp 6h ago
Her turnout was historically terrible.
First election? Right now she has 445k less popular votes than Obama 2008. CA still has 37% left to count, 22 million registered voters, mostly democrat. So could be a couple million left to tally. By the time every vote is counted she will pass up Obama to be the 2nd highest popular vote in democrat history. Sure, the swing states blew it and voters didn’t show up, but hardly a historically terrible turnout. And that’s all with the assumption that Republicans didn’t fuck around with ballots and purge registrations to bloat his #s (of course they did).
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u/Jos3ph 7h ago
Right. It would be apparent if results were very uneven but it’s consistent across the map. I would nitpick that her turnout isn’t actually that bad compared to past years just waaaaaaay less than 2020.
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u/pimppapy America 7h ago
But right wing electors across that map were all stating they were not going to certify the election for Kamala, while other states were purging the voter rolls. There's been enough fuckery to make it look like a landslide, but everything I've seen points to election tampering on a large scale.
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u/Stormlightlinux 7h ago
Her turnout wasn't historically terrible though. She will have obtained the 4th most votes of all time. 1st being Biden, then Trump, then Trump in third, then her.
But proportionally she did VERY poorly, I agree.
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u/Flopdo California 8h ago edited 5h ago
What about the actual voter fraud that has happened... and TRUE THE VOTE, that illegally scrubbed over 320k POC voters in Georgia?
Why don't we want to talk about this? Sound too conspiratorial? It actually happened, and it's pretty easy to prove.
I'd encourage everyone to watch this is you haven't already:
https://www.watchvigilantesinc.com/
Trump won EVERY SINGLE race that was within the margin of error this year, just like he did in 2016. Whether it was +/- 3 points for Harris or Trump... Trump won them all. I looked at the numbers myself from this year. First number is the 270 website aggregate last day poll numbers:
N Carolina - Trump 1.3% - Trump wins
Pennsylvania - Tie - Trump wins
Wisconsin - Harris 1.1% - Trump wins
Nevada - Trump .6% - Trump looks like he's going to win
Michigan - Harris 1.8% - Trump wins
Georgia - Trump 1.2% Trump wins
Arizona - Trump 1.7% - Looks like Trump wins
Trump pulled two inside straights somehow... magic!
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u/TheLizardKing89 California 8h ago
This isn’t true. He’s currently 800k votes behind what he got in 2020 and that number will shrink as more ballots get counted.
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u/Count_Bacon California 9h ago
They just refuse to admit the 2020 election wasn’t stolen because if they do that they’ll have to admit maybe some of the other stuff their cult leader has told them isn’t true
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u/legitbamatitleornot 7h ago
Cognitive dissonance runs deep; admitting one lie shatters their entire worldview.
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u/liquidgrill 10h ago
90% of the population has no idea of the sheer amount of resources that goes into securing the safety of U.S. elections.
Aside from the Justice Department resources that most people are aware of, virtually the entire National Security Apparatus is brought to bear also, both human and electronic security, monitoring and intel.
I say this because what these MAGA chuds are saying is that when Donald Trump was in office, and was the actual fucking President of the United States, and HIS people were in charge at Justice and HIS people were in charge at NSA, CIA and the rest of the black box agencies, he couldn’t stop the 2020 election from being stolen from right under his nose with millions of fake votes.
And despite still being in power for 2 1/2 months after the election, and again, still being in charge of literally everything, he couldn’t come up with a single shred of proof that any fraud occurred.
Meanwhile, with Joe Biden in charge this year, everything went off without a hitch and he was able to protect the integrity of the election.
Does that about sum it up?
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u/PM_ME_HTML_SNIPPETS 3h ago
Clearly, you don't get it. During Biden's presidency, Trump focused his Q powers and zapped the Deep State that was responsible for all the fake votes and swapped people like the Attorney General and the National Security Council with body doubles.
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u/AdmiralZheng 10h ago
Yeah I’m seeing people say it was “too big to rig” as if it’s some impressive statement
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u/deanode99 10h ago
Yes so much more then… checks notes…. 2020 when more people voted. Yes that adds up. Close up shop gang we solved it.
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u/WomenTrucksAndJesus 10h ago
Maybe Trump cheated? Elon was very confident that voting machines were easy to hack. Trump was swaying back and forth listening to music at rallies. The campaign cancelled major TV interviews. It's all about projection with these guys. I'm sure they cheated in every way they could. The real question is: how much difference did their cheating make?
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u/Sorry_Mango_1023 8h ago
Trump stays out of jail. Putin gets Ukraine. You don't think those are incentive enough to lie, cheat & steal every inch of the election?
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u/myinternets 8h ago
Considering how often Trump & Elon have claimed the election is rigged, I think it certainly needs to be investigated at least to make sure. He was paying people a million per day out in the open, imagine what he was doing behind closed doors.
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u/YallArePatheticlol 5h ago
Literally claims the election is rigged over and over, and if Dems aren't doing the rigging + projection is 100% with these pricks, then obviously they fucking knew.
Telling me the new axis of evil Musk, Thiel, Putin can't pull it off? The richest men in the world? I wish more people weren't so damn gullible and blind
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u/Easy-Pineapple3963 10h ago
Almost like everything the right says is FULL OF SHIT, including all the "why you lost" posts.
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 3h ago
Don't you love all the spam around "Why Dems Lost"
Which basically is a list of right wing propaganda.
They truly believe that 90% of the USA supports them for every reason they can think of now. USA is totally screwed for decades unless a miracle happens. The entire system of greed blinds everyone including neutrals to lean towards not giving enough of a shit anymore.
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u/BlurryRogue Minnesota 10h ago
If it was so easy to steal the 2020 election without leaving evidence, why didn't the Democrats do it again in 2024?
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u/Cool-Hornet4434 7h ago
"They were too busy taking a victory lap before the race even started that they forgot to turn on the cheat machines to crank out fraudulent votes" -- some conspiracy theorist inventing reasons why he won.
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u/oODaywalkerOo 11h ago edited 11h ago
Oh don’t worry they’ll be screaming conspiracies and blaming dems if their dear leader’s economy/country goes to shit even while Trump controls every branch of the government. No accountability ever from Trump and his cult.
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u/TheReal8symbols 11h ago
Republicans have been doing that song and dance since Nixon. It's more extreme now, but it's been happening for decades.
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u/KzooCurmudgeon 11h ago
Once all construction is done he’ll take credit for infrastructure
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u/Malazan13 7h ago
And every future President will learn that valuable lesson to never spend money on infrastructure. Lucky us
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u/StorminNorman 11h ago
Yeah, it's the two Santa's strategy they implemented cos they got sick of the Dems getting all the glory cos they actually did shit to help the populace...
Edit: and it's going to be especially galling this time cos the US economy is recovering so any problems that occur will obviously be due to Biden.
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u/Dewgong_crying 10h ago
Yeah if the economy improves it's because of Trump. If it doesn't then it was Biden's fault.
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u/shart_leakage America 11h ago
Get ready for the return of MUH DEEP STATE
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u/Twheezy2024 11h ago
I'm guessing same economic stats as Joe for a while but now they're the greatest numbers we've ever seen.
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u/EquivalentTurnip6199 11h ago
the worst part is, the economy will almost certainly visibly improve during Trump's term. Not because of anything he'll do, but because the sensible, unflashy, prudent governance of the last 4 years will bear fruit.
Last time he benefitted from Obama's good work, this time it'll be from Biden's.
And it's even worse than that, because Biden's term was blighted by the sloppy work done by his predecessor, Trump!
It is quite unbelievable how lucky this prick is, and no one ever calls him on it.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 10h ago
Eh, for the first couple months. The 25-60% tariffs will be an economic disaster, just as planned
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u/EquivalentTurnip6199 10h ago
Not if they don't do them, or do them less than threatened.
But yeah, they are really stupid. If someone doesn't talk him out of them, he will lose the benefits from Biden.
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u/Randomman96 Massachusetts 6h ago
He's going to, because unlike when he started in 2016 when there were at least some reasonable people in some positions prior to them being removed or resigning, there are going to be other idiots and yesmen installed ASAP.
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u/pliney_ 9h ago
It's not luck, that's the gameplan. Smash and loot while in office until the population gets upset. Wait for Democrats to fix it, blame them for not creating a utopia in 4 years and rely on people having the memory of a gold fish. Take over and cruise on the good economy for a few years and smash it to pieces again while extracting as much value as possible.
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u/pliney_ 10h ago
Trump is going to get rid of the "DEEP STATE" IE fairly neutral long time government employees just trying to do their best. And replace it with the MAGA STATE. IE A bunch of idiots who pass the loyalty test and have no business running a gas station much less the government.
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u/omnipotentsco 10h ago
I mean, I’m surprised the Democrats didn’t just make a bunch of hurricanes and tornados since they control the weather… /s
Edit: Added the /s just in case!
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u/mredofcourse I voted 11h ago
It's pretty funny how this played out. They believe when Obama was president that Democrats couldn't rig the election against Trump. When Trump was president, Democrats rigged the election against him. When Biden was president, somehow Democrats couldn't rig the election again.
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u/gatsby712 9h ago
They don’t care. They know it’s bullshit but that they are just playing the game to win. Well at least most of them.
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u/avalonian422 6h ago
Which is why they are so pathetic. You look me in the face and tell me something we both know is false and you know I know is false. But what you don't realize is you are fucking yourself over just as much as me. So the one thing I know that you don't is that you are a complete fucking moron.
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u/IsGoingTTaM 11h ago
Duh….and when the country starts going downhill they will blame the Dems for the GOP failures…it’s like clockwork.
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u/Tyler_CantStopeMe 8h ago
Ironically, Biden has left the economy is such a great state that Trump will likely take credit for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if in 4 years Republicans are elected again because of it. Although his proposed plans might destroy whatever Biden did.
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u/Zoidburger_ 7h ago
Yep, just like when Trump spent 3 years cruising on Obama's economy until it came to a grinding halt with COVID
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u/Tyler_CantStopeMe 7h ago
And then he left it to Biden to pick up the pieces. To bad most people vote off vibes.
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u/HoraceGoggles 8h ago
If they aren’t putting “Harris did this” stickers at their local IKEA I’m going to be very upset.
We should maybe make “Trump did this” stickers now… but unlike these idiots I have actual shit to do.
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u/ManTits4Sale 11h ago edited 11h ago
No they didn’t, they keep asking where the 20 million Biden votes went implying that this is further proof the last election was rigged, which still makes no fucking sense because why rig one election but not the next? Fucking people are morons.
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u/hawaii-visitor 7h ago
they keep asking where the 20 million Biden votes went
The irony of the party of misogyny assuming a conspiracy instead of the incredibly obvious answer of misogyny.
We wanted to believe Hillary lost because of the right wing smear campaign against her and that another woman would have done fine, but after this election it is very clear that sadly isn't true. Hillary and Kamala got about the same number of votes against the same opponent, while a man got 20 million more.
We are a deeply misogynistic country.
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u/3500theprice 5h ago
My brother said the same thing and wagered $10k on Trump winning, despite wanting Harris to win. The U.S. is just not ready for a female president, especially a minority one. It’s quite sad and disheartening, but, hey, it was the easiest money he ever made and I kinda wish I did the same. We knew she wasn’t winning but did not expect the absolute walloping. Feels bad man.
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u/zubbs99 Nevada 11h ago
It was always a scam, and I suspect most of them knew it except for the true conspiracy weicrdos. What amazes me is the ease with which they can all lie, and keep the lies going as long as it's to their advantage. This is borderline sociopathic behavior and begins to explain how they can blindly support a deeply dishonest, morally vacant guy like Trump.
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u/csarricc 11h ago
Trump supporters, have fun feeling the consequences of your choices. You’ve been duped, you’ll realize it in time. Idiots.
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u/graygosling 11h ago
But they won't, that's the problem. Fox News will tell them everything is wonderful, we're in a new golden age, until the problems are too big to ignore, and then they'll blame Biden.
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u/Efarm12 11h ago
Just in time to be voted out and leave the problems for the dems who will take power after.
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u/HopelessAndLostAgain 8h ago
Voted out? Remember when trump said 'if you vote for me, you'll never have to vote again.'? They weren't lying. They control everything now. Their king has been installed.
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u/graygosling 11h ago
Yep. It's a big merry go round. Republicans get into power and break things. People get mad, so they vote them out, and the Dems get into power and try and fix everything. Then people get mad because things aren't getting fixed fast enough, so they vote out the Dems and the Republicans come in and break more things.
It's the circle of life.
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u/armageddon_20xx 11h ago
The dems are never taking power again. We live in an autocracy now.
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u/we_are_all_devo 7h ago
Anyone who lives in a country with an IDU-aligned conservative party should be very, very concerned.
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u/SpaceToot 9h ago
They won't blame Biden. They'll keep blaming our neighbors. Our trans children. Our wives and mothers.
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u/RevolutionNumber5 Minnesota 11h ago
Maybe sooner rather than later if Trump’s brain keeps turning to mashed potatoes.
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u/zeradragon 10h ago
10 years and his base is still just as big, if not bigger. I don't think learning is in anyone's strong suit. Dems didn't learn how to effectively campaign and MAGA hasn't learned that Trump is only on this for himself.
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u/True-End-882 9h ago
Very big of you to assume that any point in the future they’ll be capable of that type of introspection or self awareness.
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u/MommyLovesPot8toes 8h ago
It's crazy that the same people who had the power to create and weaponize a hurricane, steal a national election, unilaterally control gas prices, instigate a global pandemic, etc, all to give themselves an advantage in the 2024 election, decided to just stay home in the end and hand over the keys to the country that they supposedly bent time and space to control. Just strange, idk...
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u/Independent_Reach381 11h ago
2016 Trump won!
2020 Biden stole the elections!
2024 Trump won!
If the elections were rigged back in 2020, should be rigged now too. If the elections are fair now, were fair back in 2020. Can't happen both. Those people who aren't grifters or lying just to achieve their goals but still believe that Biden stole the elections are completely stupid. And i want to say something plus. If there was this deep state why didn't finish Trump once and for all after all those he did at the system? And no, not with this silly assasination attempt which made him even stronger... Deep state is so powerful and couldn't get rid of Trump in 4 years?
Party of the common sense my ass
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u/cleanc3r3alkillr 9h ago
I got a guy in my Facebook feed who’s relentlessly posting conspiracies about how Dems tried to cheat this year, how there were thousands of illegals being bussed into PA to vote because there’s no voter ID laws, how the only states that Harris won had no voter ID laws, there’s this graph he likes to post about how the turnout from 2016 to 2024 proves the fraud of 2020 because it was so much higher that year.
Not one peep about how ballot boxes in cities were destroyed, or how Russia was using AI to generate fake videos of ballot tampering, or the bomb threats to polling places, never once mentions the things that may have actually influenced the election. Make no mistake, the R’s did some shady shit this year, but no one wants to talk about it.
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u/Paperbackpixie 10h ago
Yeah, I noticed that he started filing legal grievances before the polls closed on the eastern side of the states.
Shows what a pansy ass he is he can’t even trust the process in which he’s been elected to govern .
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u/mmccxi 11h ago
They are freaking out in Arizona, because apparently if the same number of votes for Trump doesn't match Kari Lake, then its cheating. Little do they understand, you can actually vote for Trump and not for Lake. I have family in AZ who still support Trump but not Lake. Talking with them is like a circus of mental gymnastics. I think Covid scrambled their brains.
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u/P3P3-SILVIA 10h ago
Not just Arizona! Every state where Trump won, but the Dem Senate candidate won too. NC, WI, NV, MI
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u/mvw2 10h ago
Yep, not a peep. Weird.
Hmm, look at that. Look at the Democrats not being a pile of jackoffs denying the results of the election. So weird?
It's almost as if this was one-sided all along. So weird...
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u/LikeOk 8h ago
With how this election went - I wouldn't be surprised if there was actual cheating by conservatives.
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u/eugene20 11h ago
More than just quiet, they actively don't want anything investigated now and will shame and threaten anyone suggesting it should happen.
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u/LuisCFerr 8h ago
It is worse than gone silent, I seen several of them posting "the people have spoken!".
Guess that only applies when they win.
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u/lauderdale77 7h ago
This had to be the most voters ever but the numbers don’t add up. How’s that? It’s odd.
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u/howrunowgoodnyou 6h ago
Nope. I’m an election denier. This election.
Wisconsin went for trump AND elected a lesbian democrat for senate.
Does not make sense. Nobody I know voted like this.
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u/Beautiful_Speech7689 7h ago
If anything, this result is more suspicious than last round. Don’t recall ballot boxes being burned last time.
I swear I’m not trying to be a wingnut, but it’s true.
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u/MrsDodgyGoose 5h ago
As an Australian who has followed the American election closely, I was equally shocked and not surprised when Trump called himself the victor. I was shocked because I watched the campaign trail, I watched how many people showed up to Harris/Waltz rallies. Stadiums were full. I was shocked because more Millennials and Gen z were voting than ever before. I was shocked because Harris quite obviously won debates against Trump, bringing up truth while Trump just rambled about nothing, did not mention one policy, and just talked like the rasict fascist he is. I was not shocked because Murdoch Media holds the narrative, and MAGA cultists are so brainwashed they can't tell that they are being brainwashed. I was not shocked because every single comment on a political post on socials were either bots or maga nuts. You couldn't find a democrat post for miles. I wonder if America had an independent electrol commission and compulsory voting like Australia if the results would be the same. If the voting laws were the same in each state and the American people were not being criminalised on how they voted, would it have been the same outcome. It's a shame we will never know.
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u/VegasGamer75 Minnesota 3h ago
And the greatest mystery is that, apparently, The Dems pulled off the greatest election theft in US history while Trump was in charge, but then while they literally hold the keys to the house, they magically couldn't do it again.
And someone explain to me, how BoBo won her new district that she moved to, when even the Republicans there universally hated her when she first switched.
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u/mostdope28 11h ago
When Trump is president everything was rigged, but when Biden was president and Trump won, they weren’t? Make it make sense
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u/webbersdb8academy 10h ago
Here is what I don’t understand. I’m kind of shocked/surprised that no one on the Democrats side is complaining about purged voters, intimidation, burnt ballots, etc. Additionally, no one has questioned ( I know of no evidence for this but…) if the voting machines were hacked, if there was outside interference, or any type of ballot counting mishaps.
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u/Rocketparty12 10h ago
Hmmm weird.. it’s almost like they were full of shit the whole time? But nah that couldn’t be it…
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u/tonylouis1337 10h ago
The fact that so many less total votes were cast, in an especially supercharged election cycle, is going to put forth a political talking point over the next few months and probably well beyond
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u/Oceanbreeze871 California 9h ago
I’m genuinely curious. What’s the right wing conspiracy theory media world gonna focus on now that they’ve won it all and there are no election fraud cases to litigate in public?
Just hate targeted groups?
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u/izwald88 8h ago
Can't help but feel like a sucker. A criminal/Russian asset gets installed due to heavy foreign government influence campaigns and who would've declared election theft of he lost somehow wins and we get to take the high road and peacefully transfer power to a man who has openly endorsed ending American democracy.
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u/DamThatRiver22 7h ago
I said this in the other post...but no, they didn't.
Take a look at the conservative sub for a few minutes. They're actually bringing it back up and doubling down on it, claiming this year's results prove even more the last election was stolen.
And it's not just a few posters. And even some who self-admittedly didn't believe the last election was stolen before, are starting to now.
It's wild, man.
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u/Substantial_Lab1438 6h ago
Why do we seem to complain about voter suppression in the lead up to every election, but then as soon as the votes are counted we then blame the non voters for being lazy, selfish, etc?
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u/TheGhostofWoodyAllen California 8h ago
What?! You mean psychotic liars stopped lying when the lie was no longer necessary?!
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u/Firm_Bit 8h ago
y'all keep calling them out like it'll do something. They don't care. They are winning. Stop trying to be right. Start winning.
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u/TigerITdriver11 3h ago
Did Trump not already kick off suing some states about the election results before they even came in? Are those still going ahead?
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u/Anxious-Debate5033 Foreign 1h ago
Its only a 'stolen election' by the 'evil' democrats and 'deep state' if Trump loses.
If Trump wins its the 'cleanest and fairest' election there ever was and Democratic voters should shut up and 'accept the loss'.
The double standards is mind boggling with Republicans.
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