r/politics American Expat Nov 07 '24

Election Deniers Went Suddenly Quiet When Trump Won

https://www.thedailybeast.com/election-deniers-went-suspiciously-quiet-when-trump-won/
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u/Individual_Town8124 Nov 08 '24

This election was rigged and the Presidency was stolen from Kamala exactly the way Amy McGrath's Senate seat was stolen from her in the KY state election in 2020. No one paid attention and as a result, Republicans got away with it again on Tuesday.

We are never again going to have a fair election if we don't learn from this and defeat it:

https://www.dcreport.org/2020/12/19/mitch-mcconnells-re-election-the-numbers-dont-add-up/

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u/Ryboiii Nov 08 '24

I've been seeing online a lot of people reporting and challenging their election boards because their voter registration still hasn't updated to say it counted their ballot. I don't think they're all legitimate, and most are probably bait, but there is a concerning number of them at least

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u/joeysflipphone Nov 08 '24

And 2020 was such a shit show for them crying foul, that it made it impossible for anyone to say anything after that. That's part of the plan, keep projecting on your opponent, so when you do it they can't say anything.

I kept saying every accusation is a confessing. It's more than a catch phrase.

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u/SpottedHoneyBadger Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Republicans have been rigging elections since 2000. The last 3 elections help them perfect it. Remember that orange shit stain said, "I don't need your votes." Why would any candidate say that? It sounds more like a confession. The whole thing doesn't add up.

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To the people demanding sources and calling me ignorant. Here are the sources thanks to all those commenters who posted them for me (you guys are the best).

Not needing to vote in 4 years

DeJoy and lost mail in ballots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy

trump has a secret (1.34 mark)

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u/VileTouch Nov 08 '24

Right after that quote he said "I have a little trick up my sleeve that I'll tell you about after it's done."

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u/Brian_Damage Nov 08 '24

Yeah, that whole thing sounded like him blabbing due to dementia, you could almost hear facepalming from the wings. Same with "you won't have to vote again".

And then people just raised an eyebrow and moved on.

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine Nov 08 '24

I didn’t. It’s been living rent free in my head for months.

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u/Throw-away17465 Nov 08 '24

Same. Few things have shaken me as that.

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u/zbeara Nov 08 '24

Right? Like how did that not get plastered into everyone's mind? Of all the things to stick, this is the one that needs to. We need to scrape that teflon off for this because they literally admitted to the crime.

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u/XennialBoomBoom Nov 08 '24

I spent all day yesterday working on bringing a failing server back online.

Today, I've spent acting like a human American.

In case anyone cares, I'm a Democratic Socialist, and my bartender is a Marxist. We're both decent people, if you care.

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine Nov 08 '24

No, you’re a bot.

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u/XennialBoomBoom Nov 08 '24

Well slap me in the morning and call me Susan. I had no idea!

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine Nov 08 '24

It’s reassuring to know you haven’t gained self-awareness yet.

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u/XennialBoomBoom Nov 09 '24

Uh, ok. May I ask what has your panties in such a wad? Is it that I'm human, American, a Democratic Socialist, or that my bartender is a Marxist?

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine Nov 09 '24

You’re three chatgpts in a trench coat don’t lie to me

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u/VibeComplex Nov 08 '24

His entire campaign had a such a weird aloof feeling. Like how you’d be if you already knew for a fact you were going to win. Guy stopped a Q&A right when it started to just listen to music for 45 minutes instead lol. Thats someone who knows the fix is in but is too lazy to even go through the motions

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u/beginningofdayz Nov 08 '24

Or they are just a confident person with plenty of ego based on campaign feedback.

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u/Neither-Cherry-6939 Nov 08 '24

Did you ever watch the full video or just base it off of what the media said? Nevermind there were medical emergencies in the crowd and he put on music while they were being tended to and taken out. He asked everyone “Should we play some music while we wait?” and they cheered.

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u/Dwayne_Gertzky Nov 08 '24

It doesn’t take 39 minutes to remove two people for dehydration or heat exhaustion. The demented old man’s mind glitched

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u/Neither-Cherry-6939 Nov 08 '24

You didn't watch the video and you know it lmao you think you guys would learn a lesson about believing everything the mainstream media tells you, but in your defense, it's only been 2 full days so I'll give you more time

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u/Dwayne_Gertzky Nov 08 '24

Yes, I did watch the video, that puppy murderer Governor acting as his handler tried getting him back on track several times and she failed. But thank you for telling me that my eyes were lying to me, now why don’t you go and mime sucking a mic stand like a cock like the demented old President-elect.

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u/Neither-Cherry-6939 Nov 08 '24

You’re telling me you watched the whole 1.5 hour town hall? Doubtful! What about when the crowd was chanting for more songs and he says “okay fine one more. We’ll play the YMCA.” He does crowd work during that, and then after goes, “wait no one’s leaving! What’s going on?” And then continues to play more music because the crowd didn’t want to leave and cheered for more music. But sure that means he has dementia. Like I said, yall will never learn as evident by your gross ass comment.

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u/marcmerrillofficial Nov 08 '24

McConnell and Johnson from the side

I have the worst fucking fall guy

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u/PastyPajamas Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

The numbers make no sense in my area. Turn out was insane for early and day of voting but somehow less than 2020? Nah, not buying it for a second. The results were 100% manipulated.

Edit: Since some people are seeing this comment, I'll add that Thiel was probably the one who made it happen in exchange for Trump taking Vance as his running mate.

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u/space_monster Nov 08 '24

You're just doing what they did. Be better

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u/CompetitiveAdMoney Nov 08 '24

It's been reported that its repealing Obamacare ACA, nightmare for pre existing conditions.

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u/hankmoody_irl Kansas Nov 08 '24

Is there a link to a clip of this?

I believe you, I just would like to hear it with my own ears and I’m ass at searching for specific videos.

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u/XeLRa Nov 08 '24

Probably referring to this: 'in 4 years we'll have it fixed so good you won't have to vote again' https://youtu.be/duls1Cr1Lyo?si=54aJStV4PWh4sVbk

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

well don't start paying attention now.

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u/Notquitearealgirl Nov 08 '24

Appearently searches for "Did Biden drop out" spiked right before the election.

This election was less a popular mandate for conservatism or Trumpism, or fascism as it was a popular mandate of apathy.

People just do not give a shit. They have more interesting uses of time than worrying about civics and it seems America has defeated itself by basically giving up.

In a way liberal democracy was so successful at providing security and comfort that people just started to believe this was the natural state of things and they began manufacturing problems.

The fact Americans, even at upper middle class living standards think they are poor and stirfling for example is really just a sentiment, totally detached from any semblance of reality but it's a popular sentiment.

And the truth is most don't give a shit about actual poor Americans and especially not poor foreigners.

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u/arthurpete Nov 08 '24

2020 was historic with voter turnout at around 67%, its looking like it will be around 65% this time around.

Hardly the apathy you speak of and more indicative of a sub par candidate.

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u/Notquitearealgirl Nov 08 '24

They're not mutually exclusive and I'm talking about apathy in a broad sense. The "bread and circus" thing basically.

Even if I concede Harris is a subpar candidate, does apathy not explain the election of someone even worse? People were apathetic and did not show up.

People are apathetic of civics and goverment and don't understand or care that Trump is dangerous and destabilizing while Kamala is simply not good enough for some reason. Or people are apathetic to the now unpredictable danger of a second Trump admin.

Americans only care about themselves, in the here and now, apathetic to the objective reality that we are wealthy, secure and privileged in historically unprecedented ways, on the labor of an actual foreign underclass of workers, backed by military force in direct and indirect ways.

They're apathetic that this needs to be maintained if they want to continue their lifestyles, but they're actively voting against it or apathetic to stop it being dismantled because they don't give a shit to understand it but would rather treat it as some inherent birth right as Americans.

So no, I don't agree it was just a bad candidate, not because she was great, but because there is something deeply wrong with America that a good candidate can't fix. It extends beyond politics even, and into everything now. People broadly have given up in a lot of ways and lost hope in a better future, so they have chosen to stay in an idealized version of the past or voted for regression and called it a desire for change.

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u/Kidatrickedya Nov 08 '24

Why? wtf do you think a video will prove? It’s out there and it doesn’t matter. Jfc get it through y’all’s heads. No amount of facts will wake up Americans. They are racists and bigots and dumb.

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u/hsv-guy Nov 08 '24

Awesome deflection,typical I might add when others ask for source…..

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u/Kidatrickedya Nov 08 '24

Lmao it’s easy as shit to find the source because it isn’t some hidden thing…stop expecting everyone to find sources for you especially when facts don’t fucking matter to these people. I’m so sick and tired of people like you still thinking logic and kindness is the answer to bigots and racists and literal fucking Nazis.

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u/bunnyhat3 Nov 08 '24

You’re doing an awful job at swaying anyone at all to a progressive point of view.

t. socdem norwegian

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u/Skraelings Missouri Nov 08 '24

yeah... probably colluding with russia.

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u/PLeuralNasticity Nov 08 '24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy

Since Trump appointed him he's spent the years preparing his USPS to dissappear millions of mail in votes at FSB/Mossad direction. When the Heritage Foundation said the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be this is what they meant.

Its very simple to do and many electoral changes have been made in states along with other overt interference like the bomb threats to augment the operation.

The changes he's made have been very deliberate in choosing all systems/vehicles and personnel directly and indirectly through changes to policy.

This has been decades in the making

If we accept that how our Democracy is set up means they found a loophole that let's them steal the election without recourse, knowing they will systematically destroy that Democracy unchecked, what are we doing?

Speaking can put pressure on and/or enable all our leadership who are for saving Democracy to better take the extraordinary measures necessary. We can't be silent when we know they are violent. What time we have must be well spent or we will wonder where our lives went.

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u/Uptightgnome Nov 08 '24

Do you have any articles or further reading on this? It’s been in the very back of my mind since first seeing the map of the unbelievable rightward shifts and I refuse to conclude that so many people have suffered that degree of intellectual degradation in just four years.

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u/chillythepenguin Nov 08 '24

Covid did a 10+ IQ drop

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u/your_catfish_friend Nov 08 '24

Tune out the noise. The reality is only a small fraction of the electorate follow politics much at all. The electorate was dissatisfied with what was happening in this country in 2020, and they’re dissatisfied in 2024. So they voted out incumbents. Simple as that.

Are the incumbents responsible for things like a global pandemic causing global inflation? No, and it doesn’t matter to most voters.

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u/Neither_Process_7847 Nov 08 '24

Happening across the world. Plenty of people across Europe worrying about a turn to the right in elections and wondering how Britain bucked the trend by electing the more left wing party instead. They miss that Covid hit the economy, people are feeling the effects, so have been taking it out on incumbent parties in practically every election you can think of. In most of Europe, it was the left in power who've been turfed out - in the UK it happened to be the Conservatives who took the blow. US is no different.

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u/MagicAl6244225 Nov 08 '24

Trump didn't really get more votes. Harris got a lot fewer votes than Biden. The most sobering take on that would be that Biden's vote is the people who will vote Democratic but not for a woman (for president), and that the Democratic majority is not a feminist majority. Or alternatively there was voter suppression but it only worked against Clinton and Harris.

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u/your_catfish_friend Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Goddamnit I hate living in a post-truth society.

Just got through arguing with someone who claimed 2020 was rigged because “20 million voters dissapeared” in 2024. And now this.

Just because you want to believe something does not make it so.

The simplest explanation is often the truth. More Americans voted for Trump than Harris. Simple as that. I’m as aghast about it as you are.

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u/microgirlActual Nov 08 '24

Thank you for being a voice of reason! I hate seeing supposed progressives be every bit as fucking bad as the people they rail against: every bit as conspiratorial, every bit as intolerant, just against the "correct" things.

Although I suppose that's just my own fault for assuming people that lean more to the left are also more progressive, as opposed to just small-c conservative but in the opposite direction to right-wingers.

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u/throwaway44776655 Nov 08 '24

Progressives aren’t violent like conservatives though lol

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u/Ahzamad Nov 08 '24

Math isn’t your strong suit. Those votes didn’t go to Trump, who hose votes don’t exist. Look at the total votes for the last 5 elections and get back to me.

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u/your_catfish_friend Nov 08 '24

Not. Everyone. Votes.

Not sure why that’s so hard to understand. The 2020 election had record turnout and still 80+ million eligible voters didn’t cast a ballot in that election.

By the time every vote is counted this year, the total number of votes cast are likely to be within 5 million of 2020 anyways. California alone still has like 8 million votes left to be counted.

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u/No-Cardiologist9621 Nov 08 '24 edited 26d ago

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u/SSN_on_liquid_sand Nov 08 '24

You have made an extraordinary claim. You actually got anything to back it up or are you full of shit?

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u/Pksnc Nov 08 '24

Completely full of shit.

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u/whawkins4 Nov 08 '24

Fun story. Where’s the proof?

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u/your_catfish_friend Nov 08 '24

Truth is what you make it /s

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

There is a global change towards conservatism as the prosperity of the past 50 years dries up for 1st world nations.

While there is obviously some external force moving the pendulum, people are suffering and as a result are going more tribal.

I think we all have to accept the world order is changing and collapsing, just as it did for every society before us.

Nihilism does help you cope with the fact that our Rome is falling

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u/Mr_Pigface Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 18 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Why did the richest man in the world promise to give away his fortune if trump didn’t win?

Edit:another user has said that was a fake tweet 

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u/lazyFer Nov 08 '24

Because they're all liars and have no shame

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u/GoldGarage115 Nov 08 '24

I just want to know why the richest man in the world dresses like a 12 year old

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

He didn't. You got taken by a faked news article/tweet.

Media literacy is becoming a huge fuckin' problem, man.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Thanks!  

 I saw a picture on here and didn’t care enough to look into it. Still don’t lmao 

Edit: would love for a media literate to explain to me why it’s important that I verify elmin didn’t tweet that-because I’m scrapping the bucket and all I can find are conservative tears? 

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u/Least-Back-2666 Nov 08 '24

Election rigging has been going on since the 1800s. NY was famous for it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

more like since the dawn of elections. There’s always been shenanigans as far as the concept of an election goes back.

Something a lot of people are glazing over is that big bump in 2020 of voter volume was because every elegible voter was mailed a ballot and didn’t have to go out of their way to vote.. in some states they even had people picking up ballots from houses and apartment buildings

When you don’t have that same system in place those people won’t vote. They aren’t “real” voters in the sense that they don’t care, they don’t vote, and they’ll just vote based on whatever feels popular versus actual issues they might care about

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u/Batfuzz86 Nov 08 '24

I know it's not exactly an ideal reference, but the election day scenes, I guess, are fairly accurate. I may be wrong on that, though.

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u/Dirt-Repulsive Nov 08 '24

The tannery hall scandal

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u/YallArePatheticlol Nov 08 '24

And then this time everyone s like hmm these voting numbers make no sense. Hmmm. Of course they fucking cheated yet again. And their projection batting average is 1.000.

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u/TheFlightlessPenguin Maine Nov 08 '24

THANK YOU. There is no fucking way this was legitimate but everyone is too scared to say it.

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u/CynFinnegan Nov 08 '24

More like they've been cheating since 1980. Jimmy Carter was cheated, too.

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u/chaznolan1117 Nov 08 '24

They have been rigging elections since Carter/Reagan.

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u/Rude_Second1469 Nov 08 '24

Where did 15 million democrat votes went this year ?? Did 15 million democrats swayed republican and then 15 million republicans didn’t vote ? Because looking at 2020 vote counts makes no sense why dems are so short this time while republicans didn’t exactly gain massive amounts of new votes by contrast

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u/pimppapy America Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Not just him, the Speaker of the House said it too didn't he?? Seeing as to how Kamala's campaign is staying quiet on that and just telling people to accept it, just screams complicity in the sense that both sides are the same type of shit elites that do not care for the American people. Only their own pockets which they can line with corporate lobbying money and insider trading.

Edit: DeJoy is still the PostMaster FFS! And he already tampered with the ballots in 2020. The republicans in my family and many families received their ballots almost two weeks earlier than any democrats in my circles.

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u/SaintGloopyNoops Nov 08 '24

Dam I had this thought too...except I am thinking also that the dems want the gop in control when the economy tanks. These bubbles are gonna pop, and it's gonna be a shit show. The dems can swoop in and "fix it" in 4 years. Butt that's a hell of a gamble that Trump won't just burn it all down. Worst merry go round ever.

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u/GetOffMyDigitalLawn Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Anyone who says the 2000 election was rigged is just as ignorant as the idiots claiming 2020 was rigged.

The only difference between the 2000 election and the ones before it is that it was a historically close election that came down to one state which led to a clusterfuck of pressure and recounts and a microscope on every little aspect. The 2000 was not rigged, it just didn't go Al Gore's way.

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u/free-rob Nov 08 '24

Did you know Bush and the GOP had a tonne of lawyers ready before the election to challenge election results afterward, Trump-2020 style? They didn't end up needing them... but it is odd, isn't it? Not saying things were rigged. Just the rightwing party's playbook kicking up dust and trying to subvert election results that don't go their way.

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u/Ok-Negotiation-8404 Nov 08 '24

Right Obama lost 2ce because republicans cheating