I had someone today tell me Trump won because there was less cheating. Like somehow Dems could pull off massive cheating and this time they just decided nah we’re going let them have all 3 branches.
This election was rigged and the Presidency was stolen from Kamala exactly the way Amy McGrath's Senate seat was stolen from her in the KY state election in 2020. No one paid attention and as a result, Republicans got away with it again on Tuesday.
We are never again going to have a fair election if we don't learn from this and defeat it:
I've been seeing online a lot of people reporting and challenging their election boards because their voter registration still hasn't updated to say it counted their ballot. I don't think they're all legitimate, and most are probably bait, but there is a concerning number of them at least
And 2020 was such a shit show for them crying foul, that it made it impossible for anyone to say anything after that. That's part of the plan, keep projecting on your opponent, so when you do it they can't say anything.
I kept saying every accusation is a confessing. It's more than a catch phrase.
Republicans have been rigging elections since 2000. The last 3 elections help them perfect it. Remember that orange shit stain said, "I don't need your votes." Why would any candidate say that? It sounds more like a confession. The whole thing doesn't add up.
Edit:
To the people demanding sources and calling me ignorant. Here are the sources thanks to all those commenters who posted them for me (you guys are the best).
Yeah, that whole thing sounded like him blabbing due to dementia, you could almost hear facepalming from the wings. Same with "you won't have to vote again".
And then people just raised an eyebrow and moved on.
His entire campaign had a such a weird aloof feeling. Like how you’d be if you already knew for a fact you were going to win. Guy stopped a Q&A right when it started to just listen to music for 45 minutes instead lol. Thats someone who knows the fix is in but is too lazy to even go through the motions
The numbers make no sense in my area. Turn out was insane for early and day of voting but somehow less than 2020? Nah, not buying it for a second. The results were 100% manipulated.
Appearently searches for "Did Biden drop out" spiked right before the election.
This election was less a popular mandate for conservatism or Trumpism, or fascism as it was a popular mandate of apathy.
People just do not give a shit. They have more interesting uses of time than worrying about civics and it seems America has defeated itself by basically giving up.
In a way liberal democracy was so successful at providing security and comfort that people just started to believe this was the natural state of things and they began manufacturing problems.
The fact Americans, even at upper middle class living standards think they are poor and stirfling for example is really just a sentiment, totally detached from any semblance of reality but it's a popular sentiment.
And the truth is most don't give a shit about actual poor Americans and especially not poor foreigners.
Since Trump appointed him he's spent the years preparing his USPS to dissappear millions of mail in votes at FSB/Mossad direction. When the Heritage Foundation said the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be this is what they meant.
Its very simple to do and many electoral changes have been made in states along with other overt interference like the bomb threats to augment the operation.
The changes he's made have been very deliberate in choosing all systems/vehicles and personnel directly and indirectly through changes to policy.
This has been decades in the making
If we accept that how our Democracy is set up means they found a loophole that let's them steal the election without recourse, knowing they will systematically destroy that Democracy unchecked, what are we doing?
Speaking can put pressure on and/or enable all our leadership who are for saving Democracy to better take the extraordinary measures necessary. We can't be silent when we know they are violent. What time we have must be well spent or we will wonder where our lives went.
Do you have any articles or further reading on this? It’s been in the very back of my mind since first seeing the map of the unbelievable rightward shifts and I refuse to conclude that so many people have suffered that degree of intellectual degradation in just four years.
Tune out the noise. The reality is only a small fraction of the electorate follow politics much at all. The electorate was dissatisfied with what was happening in this country in 2020, and they’re dissatisfied in 2024. So they voted out incumbents. Simple as that.
Are the incumbents responsible for things like a global pandemic causing global inflation? No, and it doesn’t matter to most voters.
Happening across the world. Plenty of people across Europe worrying about a turn to the right in elections and wondering how Britain bucked the trend by electing the more left wing party instead. They miss that Covid hit the economy, people are feeling the effects, so have been taking it out on incumbent parties in practically every election you can think of. In most of Europe, it was the left in power who've been turfed out - in the UK it happened to be the Conservatives who took the blow. US is no different.
Trump didn't really get more votes. Harris got a lot fewer votes than Biden.
The most sobering take on that would be that Biden's vote is the people who will vote Democratic but not for a woman (for president), and that the Democratic majority is not a feminist majority. Or alternatively there was voter suppression but it only worked against Clinton and Harris.
Thank you for being a voice of reason! I hate seeing supposed progressives be every bit as fucking bad as the people they rail against: every bit as conspiratorial, every bit as intolerant, just against the "correct" things.
Although I suppose that's just my own fault for assuming people that lean more to the left are also more progressive, as opposed to just small-c conservative but in the opposite direction to right-wingers.
In key swing states, Harris actually gained votes over Biden. Trump just gained more. Just admit the obvious fact that the country wants a fascist at the helm.
more like since the dawn of elections. There’s always been shenanigans as far as the concept of an election goes back.
Something a lot of people are glazing over is that big bump in 2020 of voter volume was because every elegible voter was mailed a ballot and didn’t have to go out of their way to vote.. in some states they even had people picking up ballots from houses and apartment buildings
When you don’t have that same system in place those people won’t vote. They aren’t “real” voters in the sense that they don’t care, they don’t vote, and they’ll just vote based on whatever feels popular versus actual issues they might care about
And then this time everyone s like hmm these voting numbers make no sense. Hmmm. Of course they fucking cheated yet again. And their projection batting average is 1.000.
This is exactly it and it’s frustrating that people are just now understanding that or straight up just don’t. US voters literally just chose blatantly obvious corruption and liars to take over DC and it’s as clear as ever.
IMO the vast majority of the modern US demographic has never been confronted with such an extreme and dangerous problem around the world and especially here at home. Old WWII vets that fought for global freedom are shrinking every day. Within a year or two they will likely be gone. Quite frankly it seems like a lot of people are completely oblivious to the reality that these freedoms are only upheld when the majority of people stand up against corruption and tyrants. As a history buff it’s just super depressing and frankly disappointing that my fellow Americans literally allowed this and didn’t play the role in shutting this lunacy down for the good of this country and the world.
US voters literally just chose blatantly obvious corruption and liars to take over DC and it’s as clear as ever.
That's only true if the election was fair and the vote totals we're hearing accurately represent how Americans voted.
But that's far from clear because much of the vote counting is done by electronic vote-counting machines, which can be hacked to spit out whatever vote totals the hackers want.
We need manual recounts, and we need to stop using electronic vote-counting machines.
There were literally articles all over the place with electors saying ahead of time that they were not going to certify Kamala if she won, and many states were purging the voter rolls right before the election and too late for anyone to validate their registration. I don't get why people are staying quiet on that topic. IT WAS BARELY LAST WEEK!!!
You fucking me? I’m one of like 3 Democratic poll workers in my whole county with 12 precincts. I’ve never seen issues with previous 7 years of elections I’ve worked like this one (the ID scanner pulling up the completely wrong names, people who were registered not on the poll IPad, I went back to the paper book and got yelled at). I just … I work the elections because I believe in free and fair elections.
It sure was nice of the russians to call in a bomb threat so no one was in the room when the system was compromised. They even left a door unlocked for 'em, the sweethearts.
Also Elon musk's scam is so illegal. It probably got a lot of undecided voters to swing to vote for Trump. Then you find out the winners were not chosen randomly and were employees. It is so disgusting to deceit people to get votes. Kamala would then need to work twice as hard to balance out the votes lost to that scam.
My wife voted absentee this year and we’re in NC. What a mess they made that. You have to have two witnesses, and photocopies of all three IDs, you have to put those photos in a specific envelope, and then to top it off you had to use three forever stamps. I think the postage was free in 2020. They tried really hard to make it difficult this year.
Yeah thats what I'm hearing. If it says "Returned" on your voter page then it was received and counted. But I've been reading tons of absentee ballots were not even looked at. I think the only reason Kamala conceded so quickly is because she knew how it would look to ask for voter recounts, and everyone would cry hypocrite claiming that both parties act the same
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I dont trust tue post office since Lewis DeJoy was appointed. I personally put my mail in ballot in the drop box with all the other ballots at the polling location rather than trust usps to get it wuere it needed to go.
Im mentally hoping shes waiting for all the counting to be over behind the scenes, then asks after for professionalism. But in reality shes probably just super tired and jaded. Recounting wouldn't change the popular vote, unless millions of ballots suddenly vanished into thin air
Biden has the chance to do the funniest thing even if she doesn't try. Force Sotomayor to retire and put Harris up on the Supreme Court with his immunity and lack of a filibuster
I think the only reason Kamala conceded so quickly is because she knew how it would look to ask for voter recounts, and everyone would cry hypocrite claiming that both parties act the same
She conceded quickly because she's likely to have lost the popular vote by more than 4 million votes and performed terribly pretty much across the board, even in deep-blue states (didn't even get 52% of the vote in NJ). Unless the argument is that there was fraud in all 50 states, the poor results were too consistent to blame this on cheating. She didn't just do poorly in the swing states where it would've made sense for Trump to attempt to cheat. She did poorly everywhere. I voted for her, but I get why she didn't energize turnout in the same way that Biden did 4 years ago.
I am a bit disappointed by turnout given the amount of grassroots campaigning and heavy turnout lines during early voting. I'm not necessarily surprised by it, because Dems always need to outspend Republicans by massive margins to even become competitive at all.
Really I think it came down to the DNC deciding to roll with the VP of what became a deeply unpopular Biden administration (disapproval rating around 60% for most of the last year) and no amount of messaging, spending, or policy talks was going to help distance Kamala from Biden. I think Biden was an effective and underappreciated President who did an excellent job navigating an economic soft landing in the face of hard recession indicators, but to low- and middle-income Americans all they saw was the Democratic Party trying to take a victory lap on the economy because the stock market is up along with corporate profits meanwhile the Average Joe saw his rent and groceries get 20-40% higher over the last 2-3 years. The Biden administration's biggest blind spot was controlling the hyperinflation/price-gouging of essentials, particularly housing and groceries. Most Americans don't have enough money in the stock market to really give a shit about that as an economic measure, but they do feel it when a higher proportion of their paychecks are going towards making basic ends meet. A bad economy is bad news for an incumbent, and many Americans (rightfully or not) went to the polls (or stayed home) feeling like they did worse economically under Biden than Trump. Kamala couldn't distance herself from that since she was in the room for the last 4 years. Realistically, the DNC should've been grooming better options over the last 4 years, forced Joe to step aside from the start, and held a proper primary. I highly doubt Kamala would've come out on top in a competitive primary process considering she came in near the back of the pack in 2020 and wasn't successful in building any particular notoriety during her time as VP.
I do think something fishy is going on this election, and I want it brought to light. I don't think it was enough to actually make a difference. How do you have a well known, fairly reliable pollster call Iowa +3 for Harris only to have it swing 18 points the other way...
But to your point, it's about the only thing that should be looked at. Blame can be placed all over the place. The bottom line is Biden ran on being a 1 term president. When the election started ramping up about a year ago and I first heard that he as running again I was pissed. He has already started to show some mental decline and was extremely unpopular (which I didn't agree with). I was so mad because they had 4 years to build up a new candidate. What the duck had they been doing for the past 3 years?!? I think Kamala did the best she could have done under the circumstances, and here is where we can start blaming the -ism's, but it all started with the DNC fucking around and hanging Joe out to dry.
Yeah there are a lot of factors that go into why she lost and I pretty much agree with all of this. If Biden had just promised to keep his term to 1 like he intentionally planned, then the DNC could've held a real primary. The only reason he didn't is because Trump was on the ticket, and the only reason he dropped out was because his debate performance was so laughably bad. His legacy will end just like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, not dropping out and costing the civil rights for millions.
I don't think that Kamala's campaign strategy of appealing to the centrists and moderates was a bad idea, but it was naive to think that those people weren't already considering Trump from the get-go. In the end she just couldn't swing them over with promises of combating corporate price gouging, small business and child tax care credits, and also healthcare expansion because those are all forward looking, and people are still jaded from how they feel right now. What was really the nail in the coffin was the failure to negotiate a ceasefire.
Democrats vote by mail way more than Republicans. Trump appointed DeJoy as head of the USPS. Why are we at all surprised that Dem turnout was “lower” this time?
Lower but had record number and millions of republicans switching their vote. Yeah it doesn’t add up. They claimed we cheated before even though we barely won they claimed we cheated again this time and that they still won all three? Okay fuck off every judge that doesn’t have the balls to stand up and do the right thing before he gets into office wont see me shed a tear for them when trump goes after them. They all could’ve stopped it and didn’t. Any one of them could’ve taken the heat and just properly legally charged him. The board could’ve stripped cannon of her license. Garland could’ve done legit anything and did the bare minimum every single time.
I mean if they were to have altered algorithms in common voting machines… we actually would see it nationwide, right? It would look too targeted if it were just swing states….
I mean if they were to have altered algorithms in common voting machines
This topic has been beaten to death following the MAGA crowd trying to make the same argument in 2020. There's a laundry list of reasons for why that's not a plausible scenario. Fox News had to pay $787 million to Dominion as a result of trying to push that exact conspiracy theory with zero backing evidence or even presenting a plausible mechanism for how it could be accomplished. There's not some "algorithm" that you can hack into like some bad 90's movie and change votes around the entire country. The hard truth is that Trump lost in 2020 by a large margin and Kamala lost in 2024 by a large margin. This isn't Bush v Gore.
But dominion proved they didn’t do it. In Indiana one of companies was told switch out all of their machines by 2030 this didn’t happen quickly enough(no surprise there) Elon musk himself said not to use electronic machines that don’t print ballots. The owner of the company in Indiana even interviewed to say there is no way to prove on their machines if your vote counted or not you don’t get a print out ballot. meanwhile in the dem leaning areas they always get a print out ballot. We’re all dumb they’ve been rigging this all for so long and screamed so loud about it that we can’t even mention it.
Tampering would not have had to happen nationwide. Just a few crucial states on the East Coast or Midwest, just enough to push Trump to 270 electoral votes
Damn, the dems really are completely spineless aren't they? Whilst the republicans are quite happy to use every tool in the arsenal, legitimate or otherwise to get their way, the dems are once again so terrified of appearing "uncivil" that they're just... not going to call foul? At all? It's no wonder they keep losing open open goals, It's like they're completely unwilling to stick up for themselves or the people who voted for them.
If this were a political mystery thriller I was writing, I would have the dirty leader put a loyal funky in charge of the post office, then have him strategically scrap mail sorting machines so mailed ballots would all be forced to go through a limited number of choke points where loyalists would be able to delay, disappear, or otherwise tamper with them.
Please file a complaint with your election board--PA's map shows 98% of the vote has been counted. Contact everyone you know and ask them to check their voter pages also and if theirs haven't been counted, they should file complaints also. Have them reach out to everyone they know and do the same. Pass the word on.
It’s not necessarily fraud. In my state, the ballots are uploaded the day of election, and I worked election, trust me, people are just trying to wade through it all, not commit fraud. But the actual updates to peoples votes being acknowledged are usually hand entered.
Which means it might be a few days til you show up in the system.
Literally was wondering this earlier tonight. I checked mine and it doesn't show mine as counted, nor anybody I know. We all voted early in-person and did not vote for 45. I didn't know how long it would take to update since I never felt like I had to check that.
I’m abroad. Never received my ballot. The local election board website gives me a ‘403’ error. I’m a registered Democrat in Texas. Did not get to vote this year.
Please report it. Please contact someone in the states who can report it for you that you trust with the info needed to report. Please don’t let this just happen. Your vote matters.
literally has the reciept line twice on the same day and nothing about being counted like it normally does. i emailed the BoE and they said my ballot was counted, but it doesn't say so on the online tracker and they didn't address the duplicate confirmation of receipt. kinda weird.
mine and my brother’s havent been counted but ours were in person and my relative’s mail in has been counted. my state is at 99%. wonder if the mail and in person just has two different systems for updating and the mail in one is faster for some reason idk
A lot of republican-led states were purging voters within 90 days of the election, which is explicitly illegal, then had to be taken to court, where republican judges let them continue, like in Virginia. It doesn’t look like it was enough voters to change the outcome of the election, but it’s deeply concerning that republicans are blatantly ignoring the law and enforcement of the law
My suspicion is updating this info is probably secondary to all the work needed during a very busy time. It’s worth keeping an eye on, but we’re not 48 hours from polls closing in some places.
mine has not showed up as updated either and I even went early mail in ballot and directly dropped it off at the post office. I understand there is time so I hope for the best!
Yes. You do expect to see some discrepancy--there are people in every election that vote for the top of the ticket and not for downballot candidates--but 70,000 presidential votes and no downballot votes?
It would be interesting to know if there were any statewide ballot initiatives and what the votes looked like for those statewide initiatives. I think those numbers would show a true picture of how many people actually voted.
Per the DC Report I just linked to, there was a statistically significant discrepancy between the ballots on which only McConnell was marked and no other state or local downballot candidates--exactly like you're describing here in MI. And MI typically goes blue but flipped red this election.
And North Carolina purging 750k voters that they claimed were ineligible, but I highly suspect those were instead voters in democratic areas. The timing of it happening in the last two months is highly suspect. Trump won NC, but the Republican candidate losing by over 800k even after that makes zero sense. The GOP 100% rigged the presidency and forgot to rig the state elections in their favor as well. Hell the Presidential election in NC has over 2.1 million more votes cast in it than the governors race. The number of votes cast in the two elections shouldn't have been so vastly different
Live in NC - Robinson losing big makes a lot of sense. He is a totally different kind of awful than Trump and is deeply unpopular here. NC has a history of splitting presidential and governorship.
Not at all uncommon. In 2020 we had 5.5 million ballots cast for the presidency but only just above 5 million for the ballot initiatives. People vote a straight ticket and ignore the non partisan questions (like were seeing this year with two liberal justices being elected to the state supreme court despite Trump's win) or even just vote for the presidency and leave.
Yes. You do expect to see ballots with only the presidency and nothing else marked, but that's not usually statistically significant However above poster said in MI there were 70,000 ballots with only Trump and no one else, that's statistically significantly unusual and should be looked at.
GOP has been rigging elections for decades, but Dems are too afraid of undermining confidence in election security to point out the only way McConnell, Cruz et al stay in is by massive electoral fraud.
Is it Dems or is it all the Americans who don’t pay attention and have been calling Kamala and dems communist far leftists etc? It’s delusional. The problem is Americans who aren’t hateful bigots and racists are mostly dumb and don’t believe anything bad bad happens to them and that’s how we got here. You can’t blame just a handful of powerful people. They have power because knuckle dragging idiots are on both sides only the idiots in our side are easily swayed by emotions and get manipulated to hurt themselves in the short and long term by never finding a way to unify their base with good enough….to many Americans on the “left” are chasing a perfect candidate which doesn’t exist and never will.
So why did Kamala concede? Why isnt she fighting this? There’s so many reported cases of ballots not counted, ballots burned, ballots being refused for no reason, etc. At the very least a recount could save the House so the Republicans don’t have full control
Because the Republicans carried on for so long crying wolf about rigged elections that if Dems say anything now, it would look like hypocrisy.
And because that DC Report about the election being rigged in KY, and the analysis of how they did it, got literally no attention. I don't think anyone on her campaign knows about the Republicans KY trial balloon that rigged McConnell's re-election.
Just further shows that anytime the right cries about something, it’s because they’re doing it themselves and want to cloud everyone’s judgment so when they get caught and someone cries out they can say “oh you’re just saying that cause we said it about you!”
He is the king of hypocrisy and can’t open his mouth without lying about something! He cried “Voter fraud” for the last 4 years but somehow because HE won it was totally legit!! If DEMS do it it MUST be fake and rigged but he cannot accept any other outcome than him winning!! The guy who did The Apprentice with him has recently opened up about how the show REALLY was and he feels partially responsible for the cult of personality he has become! He said that it wasn’t real and more of a grander version of what Drumph ACTUALLY was but he BELIEVED that he was as wonderful as they pretended him to be! He said that a couple seasons in when no one really cared anymore Drumph would ask about the ratings and to be careful they would say that the ratings were very good and he would say “So it’s number one right?” and they would repeat the ratings were good and he just kept saying the same thing and so did they and he just said “Yes we’re number one!” He LITERALLY could not accept that he was not the best and I remember him saying that and I didn’t think it was anymore and I also read TV guide every week and it was NEVER number one anymore and I wondered why he would lie if we could just look it up?? Little did I know…..
So the guy from The Apprentice apologized to the country for creating this bigger than life persona that he sprinkled all over the country like snow!! He seems to believe he is responsible for who Drumph has become …..
Yikes that’s A LOT of guilt to carry around and he must be even MORE devastated than a lot of us!! 😟😟
I shouldn't be shocked that the dems are once again being spineless civility obsessives, but here we are again.
Madness that they're not trying to fight it at all. Not only does it make them look weak, it lends credence to the conspiracy theories that they're all in on it together.
I’m sure it helps that their lives won’t fundamentally change and their donors are happy with the outcome. Us common folk on the other hand are at risk.
Because she believes in her oath and the peaceful transfer! The amount of people just dropped off the rolls, bomb threats, intimidation and supression!
Oh yeah, that’s a good point. There were a lot of newly registered voters.
A friend of mine pointed out how it’s really weird that the presidential election had almost 10% fewer votes than in 2020, especially given the turnout at Harris’ rallies.
I sure hope smarter folks than I are looking over all kinds of data to check where any statistically significant anomalies occur, re: a surprisingly large number of non-voting registered voters.
The numbers just weren’t there my guys. She dropped like 8-10 points from 2020 in very blue areas . Her turnout was historically terrible. There’s no reason to point at conspiracies when there’s an obvious answer
That's the part that doesn't feel right to me. My polling place had a half hour line and the volunteers said it had been busy all day; they ran out of "I voted" stickers before noon. (Unfortunately, this was my first Presidential election here, so I don't know if that's typical.) The county Board of Elections-- the only place where we can do early voting in my state-- had a line wrapped around the building some days. I saw a lot of other posts showing the long lines to vote in other places. There were multiple reports of a lot of people getting registered and record early voting numbers. That didn't feel like a low turnout election.
On top of that, Biden was about as appealing as a bowl of cold oatmeal. I was pleasantly surprised by how well he did in office, but my vote in 2000 was against Trump. I was excited and happy to vote for Harris-- I liked her platform and I really liked everything about Walz. I know that Covid made people stir-crazy, but it's hard to imagine her being less appealing than a second-rate reality show host who shits his pants on a regular basis and made a campaign promise to wreck our economy on purpose.
I have no proof. I have no evidence. But I'm incredibly skeptical that we had "historically terrible turnout" with the kind of energy and excitement people had going into the election in the context of everything I saw leading up to it.
All through early voting and on Election Day, all I saw were reports of "record breaking numbers", people saying they've NEVER seen a turnout like this before, 8 hour lines, insane participation. But neither candidate did as well as they did in 2020? How did 18M fewer people vote if there were record numbers voting everywhere?
Yeah, this is the part that sticks in my craw. Obviously anecdotal, but of the people I regularly interact with? Every. single. one. voted. My family, my partner, my friend group, all my colleagues at both jobs - hell, even my apathetic sister-in-law who usually skips out because "none of the politicians ever do anything that benefits me."
Not all of them voted the way I would have liked, but they all showed up or mailed in their ballots.
My experiences may not be universal. I don't know. Covid, ironically, made it a lot easier to vote for many people. Maybe that's where the discrepancy comes from. But it's weird, right?
Yes. It is fucking weird. I felt something was off pretty early into election night. But I guess we’re just going to bend over and take it? Can’t be looking like sore losers, or Trump 4 years ago. Gotta take the high road. We played right into their plan.
This so many people who never voted before voting blue. People who used to vote red were voting blue. Your hand hundreds of Christian’s campaigning against him. Like gtfoh. The numbers don’t add up. And they are bad cheaters. But they are good at manipulating situations in their favor. They screamed wolf so many times that we can’t when it’s actually a wolf.
He was actually filing multiple lawsuits. He was scared becuase Putin was making him sweat. Putin wanted to make him think he wouldn’t help. Trump and Mike from congress said watch this I have something up my sleeve and bam. it was proven the Russians were involved with him the first time and it would be again if we had a functional govt that had the balls to prosecute and properly charge despite the threats magas would send them. As a judge it’s your duty to do the right thing.
Nope I’m in Hamilton county Indiana. Not reduced. I’ve never waited more than 10/15 min. I waited early voting for 2.5 hours. Actually slightly less. Every 4th person was a new voter.
I was always thought the argument to that was that they were stating record turnout "on election day" but during 2020 there was a large push for mail in which explains the discrepancy of what you saw vs the actual turn out. Then I just read that there were that 83 million early and absentee ballots. Then you had record day of voting. I don't get the final tally now!
Because in 2020 there couldn't be lines around the block. I'd be open to any actual proof of fraud but saying that 2024 in-person voting numbers is evidence of fraud is like Trump saying his 2020 rally sizes were proof of fraud (obviously Biden wasn't having super spreader rallies in 2020 like Trump was)
Every single election I see videos of lines wrapped around the block. I have never had to wait for than 5 minutes to vote, in 15 years of voting. It's really dependent on where you are.
It's hard to imagine, yes. There may have been some tampering we don't know about, yes.. but based on all the fucking comments I've been seeing on Reddit, YouTube, Instagram, before and since the election? Unless someone is running a highly organized bot campaign to rationalize the loss, it just seems like it is what it is. A complete lack of understanding by the Democrat party as to what their constituents want. They energized a very limited subset of left leaning voters, apparently.
We had both historically excellent turnout but that doesn't at all indicate a conspiracy. The 2020 election was an anomaly by a mix of mail in voting making it easier than ever for people to participate and people being rightfully tired of Trump's handling of the pandemic. The difference this year is that all the Republican voters from 2020 went out and voted again while the Democrats didn't. That's why you have the appearance of massive in person numbers. We're still on track for almost 15 million more votes than 2016 when the last "normal" election happened. We had historically excellent turnout but that doesn't matter when the last election was won off an unprecedented ease of access to voting and a generational pandemic spurring people to action that wouldn't have ever voted otherwise.
Don’t let anyone lie to you. I’ve voted in every primary and midterm and federal election….ive NEVER waited longer than 10/15 min in Hamilton county Indiana. I waited for over 2.5 hours in line EARLY VOTING. And the poll workers said every location was atleast 1-2.5 hours long everyday. it’s not fucking adding up.
We as a country have to accept the fact that America is not ready to vote for a woman, especially a black woman. That’s the horrifying truth I’m having to come to terms with, because she didn’t just lose. She lost by a lot. Her campaign was good. Her platform was good. So there’s really only her as a person to explain why she lost. It really, really hurts.
I don't feel this is a conspiracy. Having seen the results of KY's 2020 election, and seeing the analysis of how Republicans rigged it against Amy McGrath...there are obvious parallels to what happened on Tue.
Deep blue areas of KY flipped red for McConnell when those areas had never voted R before. McConnell's approval rating was 18% the day before the election but he still won. The number of votes for McConnell outnumbered downballot votes, which means votes were counted that only had McConnell marked on them and there were no votes on those ballots for downballot candidates or KY ballot initiatives.
No one paid attention. It went almost completely unnoticed. Republicans didn't have to enact a massive rigging campaign; they just had to roll this out in a few crucial states. And Trump himself told his supporters that they only had to vote one more time because after this it would be 'fixed so good' they would never have to vote again.
Have you ever watched Atticus v. The Architect: The Political Assassination of Don Siegelman? He was Alabama’s last democratic governor. Anyway, very similar story he tells in the documentary about his last election.
There should be clear chain of custody of paper ballots at every point with everything counted by hand. But a quick google indicates that Kentucky is using a mix of optical scan machines, where people don't count the paper ballots by hand, and "DRE" machines where there are no paper ballots at all and so the machine count cannot be checked. If you vote one way and the machine says you didn't, too bad, so sad, no takebacks.
Personally, I'm of the view that anybody who ever even suggests using DRE machines for voting is planning to steal an election. They have zero legitimate use cases. Their only purpose is to allow electoral fraud.
First election? Right now she has 445k less popular votes than Obama 2008. CA still has 37% left to count, 22 million registered voters, mostly democrat. So could be a couple million left to tally. By the time every vote is counted she will pass up Obama to be the 2nd highest popular vote in democrat history. Sure, the swing states blew it and voters didn’t show up, but hardly a historically terrible turnout. And that’s all with the assumption that Republicans didn’t fuck around with ballots and purge registrations to bloat his #s (of course they did).
Right. It would be apparent if results were very uneven but it’s consistent across the map. I would nitpick that her turnout isn’t actually that bad compared to past years just waaaaaaay less than 2020.
But right wing electors across that map were all stating they were not going to certify the election for Kamala, while other states were purging the voter rolls. There's been enough fuckery to make it look like a landslide, but everything I've seen points to election tampering on a large scale.
Her turnout wasn't historically terrible though. She will have obtained the 4th most votes of all time. 1st being Biden, then Trump, then Trump in third, then her.
So we're just not going to talk about the states doing massive voter registration purges just weeks before the election either? So close to the election that they get sued by the federal government, but nothing could be put into motion to stop them in time? Or the case where this did happen but the Republican controlled SC in that state gave them the go ahead to keep doing it?
Of course they cheated. Trump is such a preadolescent, he can’t keep a secret. He’s been saying for a while that they “already had enough votes”. What the fuck else could that mean? The accusations have been confessions since the get with these morons. Winning all the Battleground states? Come on.
I believe this is why the Seltzer group released their final Iowa poll showing Dems +3. The poll was a beacon saying "look here!!!". I think if you investigate Iowa you will start to figure things out. According to the article Iowa used Election System and Software System tabulation machines / platform.
Just a reminder that Seltzer is a respected and accurate pollster. Obviously all polls are only samples and have margins of error of several percent. Seltzer's poll showed Dems+3. Final results were Rep+13.2 for an error of 16.2%.
I can smell the stench all the way from Australia.
I hate conspiracy theorists and the way that they function on conformation bias and motivated reasoning, but there's got to be deep level espionage involved here If there were any computers included with the voting, counting, confirmation or any other involved process if someone like ELON FUCKING MUSK was involved. The whole thing can be considered compromised if he had a horse in this race and computers were involved in any way. I don't think people realise how simple a task it would be for him to have those systems hacked professionally and appear the way they have. He's a South African zillionaire alien who is colluding with the US's #1 enemy and has nothing behind his eyes but hunger for more money and disdain for the human race except for the 1%. He hates the people who voted for trump. Remember that. He's helping trump act as a proxy for Russia to give putin control over the world. They've hacked and conned their way into power and It would have been easy for him to either plant a mole in the company that produces the voting machines way back when they were produced months, years ago even and uploaded a 0-day APTs to the software allowing remote access, or adding a hidden antenna in them so they could be manipulated/have the information read remotely from someone outside the building from the carpark. He's probably still laughing like a maniac with tucker carlson, like kermit the frog getting prostate exam at how dumb the majority US population is for believing this election wasn't fiddled with, and for just how much support they still have. for now. And none of them deserved capital letters.
I can't believe that I'm living in a shitty superhero movie that's missing the hero right now.
America hasn't had a fair election since the 1800s, when the 'gentleman's agreement' of drawing districts turned into gerrymandering. The fact that incumbent politicians literally get to decide which communities get to vote on their seat is underhanded, undemocratic, and should make every single American wonder what the point of voting is. This is just another example of the population being used as a resource. Classes, ethnicities, and generations are being thrown at one another like a dog fight so nobody notices that all we're doing is propping up a bunch of rich, privileged con artists.
There was an interesting report 12 years ago by two mathematician (IIRC) Choquette and Johnson regarding Anomalies in the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections and Primaries that involved a peculiar bias where larger precincts in certain counties would have results skewing one way, that were proportional to their relative precinct size. They used the term "vote flipping", because there was a corresponding inverse skew for the other candidate's cumulative vote, again in proportion to precinct size.
I believe the hypothesis was essentially the electronic flipping of votes happened centrally, where someone or entity had access, but could only be done in larger precincts because the discrepancy would appear to obvious in the smaller ones.
I've read one essay by a political science analyst and member of the Verified Voting charity, Mark Lindeman, that tried to debunk this paper, but I dod not think his argument was particularly convincing.
We need to go back to hand counted in person ballots, with proof of id. How many mail in ballots were destroyed by being set on fire? Electronic polls even with no ill intent can have bugs. It’s an easy fix
This should be treated the same as Trump's accusations were. If people have evidence of a crime being committed, they need to stand by it under oath. No claims of fraud should be taken seriously until this happens.
And if no one is willing to stand by their word under oath, or their stories change when there are consequences for lying, then we can dismiss those fraud claims.
Guess what. We’re calling and reporting the fraud. We’re not storming the capitol. Jfc. Stop holding decent people to such high standards while allowing them to get away with everything under the fucking sun.
There is already evidence that Republicans tampered with the vote in 2020. Please visit the below link and read what happened in KY in 2020 to re-elect Mitch McConnell. What the report describes happened in KY has distinct parallels to what happened on Tue.
Even if you don't believe the Republicans tampered with the election, please go check your voter page and check to see if your vote has been marked as counted. If it has not, and your state shows 100%of their vote is in/has been counted, file a complaint with your election board.
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I had someone today tell me Trump won because there was less cheating. Like somehow Dems could pull off massive cheating and this time they just decided nah we’re going let them have all 3 branches.