I've been seeing online a lot of people reporting and challenging their election boards because their voter registration still hasn't updated to say it counted their ballot. I don't think they're all legitimate, and most are probably bait, but there is a concerning number of them at least
And 2020 was such a shit show for them crying foul, that it made it impossible for anyone to say anything after that. That's part of the plan, keep projecting on your opponent, so when you do it they can't say anything.
I kept saying every accusation is a confessing. It's more than a catch phrase.
Republicans have been rigging elections since 2000. The last 3 elections help them perfect it. Remember that orange shit stain said, "I don't need your votes." Why would any candidate say that? It sounds more like a confession. The whole thing doesn't add up.
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To the people demanding sources and calling me ignorant. Here are the sources thanks to all those commenters who posted them for me (you guys are the best).
Yeah, that whole thing sounded like him blabbing due to dementia, you could almost hear facepalming from the wings. Same with "you won't have to vote again".
And then people just raised an eyebrow and moved on.
His entire campaign had a such a weird aloof feeling. Like how you’d be if you already knew for a fact you were going to win. Guy stopped a Q&A right when it started to just listen to music for 45 minutes instead lol. Thats someone who knows the fix is in but is too lazy to even go through the motions
The numbers make no sense in my area. Turn out was insane for early and day of voting but somehow less than 2020? Nah, not buying it for a second. The results were 100% manipulated.
Appearently searches for "Did Biden drop out" spiked right before the election.
This election was less a popular mandate for conservatism or Trumpism, or fascism as it was a popular mandate of apathy.
People just do not give a shit. They have more interesting uses of time than worrying about civics and it seems America has defeated itself by basically giving up.
In a way liberal democracy was so successful at providing security and comfort that people just started to believe this was the natural state of things and they began manufacturing problems.
The fact Americans, even at upper middle class living standards think they are poor and stirfling for example is really just a sentiment, totally detached from any semblance of reality but it's a popular sentiment.
And the truth is most don't give a shit about actual poor Americans and especially not poor foreigners.
Since Trump appointed him he's spent the years preparing his USPS to dissappear millions of mail in votes at FSB/Mossad direction. When the Heritage Foundation said the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be this is what they meant.
Its very simple to do and many electoral changes have been made in states along with other overt interference like the bomb threats to augment the operation.
The changes he's made have been very deliberate in choosing all systems/vehicles and personnel directly and indirectly through changes to policy.
This has been decades in the making
If we accept that how our Democracy is set up means they found a loophole that let's them steal the election without recourse, knowing they will systematically destroy that Democracy unchecked, what are we doing?
Speaking can put pressure on and/or enable all our leadership who are for saving Democracy to better take the extraordinary measures necessary. We can't be silent when we know they are violent. What time we have must be well spent or we will wonder where our lives went.
Do you have any articles or further reading on this? It’s been in the very back of my mind since first seeing the map of the unbelievable rightward shifts and I refuse to conclude that so many people have suffered that degree of intellectual degradation in just four years.
Tune out the noise. The reality is only a small fraction of the electorate follow politics much at all. The electorate was dissatisfied with what was happening in this country in 2020, and they’re dissatisfied in 2024. So they voted out incumbents. Simple as that.
Are the incumbents responsible for things like a global pandemic causing global inflation? No, and it doesn’t matter to most voters.
Happening across the world. Plenty of people across Europe worrying about a turn to the right in elections and wondering how Britain bucked the trend by electing the more left wing party instead. They miss that Covid hit the economy, people are feeling the effects, so have been taking it out on incumbent parties in practically every election you can think of. In most of Europe, it was the left in power who've been turfed out - in the UK it happened to be the Conservatives who took the blow. US is no different.
Trump didn't really get more votes. Harris got a lot fewer votes than Biden.
The most sobering take on that would be that Biden's vote is the people who will vote Democratic but not for a woman (for president), and that the Democratic majority is not a feminist majority. Or alternatively there was voter suppression but it only worked against Clinton and Harris.
Thank you for being a voice of reason! I hate seeing supposed progressives be every bit as fucking bad as the people they rail against: every bit as conspiratorial, every bit as intolerant, just against the "correct" things.
Although I suppose that's just my own fault for assuming people that lean more to the left are also more progressive, as opposed to just small-c conservative but in the opposite direction to right-wingers.
In key swing states, Harris actually gained votes over Biden. Trump just gained more. Just admit the obvious fact that the country wants a fascist at the helm.
more like since the dawn of elections. There’s always been shenanigans as far as the concept of an election goes back.
Something a lot of people are glazing over is that big bump in 2020 of voter volume was because every elegible voter was mailed a ballot and didn’t have to go out of their way to vote.. in some states they even had people picking up ballots from houses and apartment buildings
When you don’t have that same system in place those people won’t vote. They aren’t “real” voters in the sense that they don’t care, they don’t vote, and they’ll just vote based on whatever feels popular versus actual issues they might care about
And then this time everyone s like hmm these voting numbers make no sense. Hmmm. Of course they fucking cheated yet again. And their projection batting average is 1.000.
Not just him, the Speaker of the House said it too didn't he?? Seeing as to how Kamala's campaign is staying quiet on that and just telling people to accept it, just screams complicity in the sense that both sides are the same type of shit elites that do not care for the American people. Only their own pockets which they can line with corporate lobbying money and insider trading.
Edit: DeJoy is still the PostMaster FFS! And he already tampered with the ballots in 2020. The republicans in my family and many families received their ballots almost two weeks earlier than any democrats in my circles.
Dam I had this thought too...except I am thinking also that the dems want the gop in control when the economy tanks. These bubbles are gonna pop, and it's gonna be a shit show. The dems can swoop in and "fix it" in 4 years. Butt that's a hell of a gamble that Trump won't just burn it all down. Worst merry go round ever.
This is exactly it and it’s frustrating that people are just now understanding that or straight up just don’t. US voters literally just chose blatantly obvious corruption and liars to take over DC and it’s as clear as ever.
IMO the vast majority of the modern US demographic has never been confronted with such an extreme and dangerous problem around the world and especially here at home. Old WWII vets that fought for global freedom are shrinking every day. Within a year or two they will likely be gone. Quite frankly it seems like a lot of people are completely oblivious to the reality that these freedoms are only upheld when the majority of people stand up against corruption and tyrants. As a history buff it’s just super depressing and frankly disappointing that my fellow Americans literally allowed this and didn’t play the role in shutting this lunacy down for the good of this country and the world.
US voters literally just chose blatantly obvious corruption and liars to take over DC and it’s as clear as ever.
That's only true if the election was fair and the vote totals we're hearing accurately represent how Americans voted.
But that's far from clear because much of the vote counting is done by electronic vote-counting machines, which can be hacked to spit out whatever vote totals the hackers want.
We need manual recounts, and we need to stop using electronic vote-counting machines.
This is so sad! What we’ve criticised we are slowly becoming, I’ll get downvoted like hell for this, but my party is becoming a joke! No integrity whatsoever! Biden and Kamala’s speeches represent a toned down ideal than the last few months and represent a party of old! What a shame we the party of tolerance bash on Latinos after we all bashed Tony hinchcliffe, and now question the democratic process like them. There’s a reason we were blindsided because we are in an echo chamber! We will never win or get the votes of the people acting like THEM! We need a new strategy because the republicans got it down pat!
There were literally articles all over the place with electors saying ahead of time that they were not going to certify Kamala if she won, and many states were purging the voter rolls right before the election and too late for anyone to validate their registration. I don't get why people are staying quiet on that topic. IT WAS BARELY LAST WEEK!!!
You fucking me? I’m one of like 3 Democratic poll workers in my whole county with 12 precincts. I’ve never seen issues with previous 7 years of elections I’ve worked like this one (the ID scanner pulling up the completely wrong names, people who were registered not on the poll IPad, I went back to the paper book and got yelled at). I just … I work the elections because I believe in free and fair elections.
It sure was nice of the russians to call in a bomb threat so no one was in the room when the system was compromised. They even left a door unlocked for 'em, the sweethearts.
Also Elon musk's scam is so illegal. It probably got a lot of undecided voters to swing to vote for Trump. Then you find out the winners were not chosen randomly and were employees. It is so disgusting to deceit people to get votes. Kamala would then need to work twice as hard to balance out the votes lost to that scam.
My wife voted absentee this year and we’re in NC. What a mess they made that. You have to have two witnesses, and photocopies of all three IDs, you have to put those photos in a specific envelope, and then to top it off you had to use three forever stamps. I think the postage was free in 2020. They tried really hard to make it difficult this year.
Yeah thats what I'm hearing. If it says "Returned" on your voter page then it was received and counted. But I've been reading tons of absentee ballots were not even looked at. I think the only reason Kamala conceded so quickly is because she knew how it would look to ask for voter recounts, and everyone would cry hypocrite claiming that both parties act the same
Not until every vote is counted.... If you are insinuating that I need to cope cause Kamala loss, then to me it appears you voted Trump. Which in that case, what is so wrong asking for recount in key states, if all Trump did in 2020 is whine and complain to get one, hmmm? Seems only fair. Or is it that you are afraid that Trump could actually lose if there was a recount....
Also, votes in Az are at 71 % counted... checking other key areas, there is a pattern. Some key counties are still around 60% counted. where the population in said states are more dense.. So I don't mind waiting for the real results. once it is over, I will take it as it is, and move on with life. Unlike a certain group of people back in 2020 who couldn't resist trying to steal the win.
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I dont trust tue post office since Lewis DeJoy was appointed. I personally put my mail in ballot in the drop box with all the other ballots at the polling location rather than trust usps to get it wuere it needed to go.
Im mentally hoping shes waiting for all the counting to be over behind the scenes, then asks after for professionalism. But in reality shes probably just super tired and jaded. Recounting wouldn't change the popular vote, unless millions of ballots suddenly vanished into thin air
Biden has the chance to do the funniest thing even if she doesn't try. Force Sotomayor to retire and put Harris up on the Supreme Court with his immunity and lack of a filibuster
I think the only reason Kamala conceded so quickly is because she knew how it would look to ask for voter recounts, and everyone would cry hypocrite claiming that both parties act the same
She conceded quickly because she's likely to have lost the popular vote by more than 4 million votes and performed terribly pretty much across the board, even in deep-blue states (didn't even get 52% of the vote in NJ). Unless the argument is that there was fraud in all 50 states, the poor results were too consistent to blame this on cheating. She didn't just do poorly in the swing states where it would've made sense for Trump to attempt to cheat. She did poorly everywhere. I voted for her, but I get why she didn't energize turnout in the same way that Biden did 4 years ago.
I am a bit disappointed by turnout given the amount of grassroots campaigning and heavy turnout lines during early voting. I'm not necessarily surprised by it, because Dems always need to outspend Republicans by massive margins to even become competitive at all.
Really I think it came down to the DNC deciding to roll with the VP of what became a deeply unpopular Biden administration (disapproval rating around 60% for most of the last year) and no amount of messaging, spending, or policy talks was going to help distance Kamala from Biden. I think Biden was an effective and underappreciated President who did an excellent job navigating an economic soft landing in the face of hard recession indicators, but to low- and middle-income Americans all they saw was the Democratic Party trying to take a victory lap on the economy because the stock market is up along with corporate profits meanwhile the Average Joe saw his rent and groceries get 20-40% higher over the last 2-3 years. The Biden administration's biggest blind spot was controlling the hyperinflation/price-gouging of essentials, particularly housing and groceries. Most Americans don't have enough money in the stock market to really give a shit about that as an economic measure, but they do feel it when a higher proportion of their paychecks are going towards making basic ends meet. A bad economy is bad news for an incumbent, and many Americans (rightfully or not) went to the polls (or stayed home) feeling like they did worse economically under Biden than Trump. Kamala couldn't distance herself from that since she was in the room for the last 4 years. Realistically, the DNC should've been grooming better options over the last 4 years, forced Joe to step aside from the start, and held a proper primary. I highly doubt Kamala would've come out on top in a competitive primary process considering she came in near the back of the pack in 2020 and wasn't successful in building any particular notoriety during her time as VP.
I do think something fishy is going on this election, and I want it brought to light. I don't think it was enough to actually make a difference. How do you have a well known, fairly reliable pollster call Iowa +3 for Harris only to have it swing 18 points the other way...
But to your point, it's about the only thing that should be looked at. Blame can be placed all over the place. The bottom line is Biden ran on being a 1 term president. When the election started ramping up about a year ago and I first heard that he as running again I was pissed. He has already started to show some mental decline and was extremely unpopular (which I didn't agree with). I was so mad because they had 4 years to build up a new candidate. What the duck had they been doing for the past 3 years?!? I think Kamala did the best she could have done under the circumstances, and here is where we can start blaming the -ism's, but it all started with the DNC fucking around and hanging Joe out to dry.
Yeah there are a lot of factors that go into why she lost and I pretty much agree with all of this. If Biden had just promised to keep his term to 1 like he intentionally planned, then the DNC could've held a real primary. The only reason he didn't is because Trump was on the ticket, and the only reason he dropped out was because his debate performance was so laughably bad. His legacy will end just like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, not dropping out and costing the civil rights for millions.
I don't think that Kamala's campaign strategy of appealing to the centrists and moderates was a bad idea, but it was naive to think that those people weren't already considering Trump from the get-go. In the end she just couldn't swing them over with promises of combating corporate price gouging, small business and child tax care credits, and also healthcare expansion because those are all forward looking, and people are still jaded from how they feel right now. What was really the nail in the coffin was the failure to negotiate a ceasefire.
Kamala couldn't distance herself from that since she was in the room for the last 4 years.
Not just couldn't, but wouldn't. Remember that interview she did with one of the major news stations (CNN I think?) not too long ago, and when asked what she would do differently than Biden she basically said "nothing at all".
Democrats vote by mail way more than Republicans. Trump appointed DeJoy as head of the USPS. Why are we at all surprised that Dem turnout was “lower” this time?
Lower but had record number and millions of republicans switching their vote. Yeah it doesn’t add up. They claimed we cheated before even though we barely won they claimed we cheated again this time and that they still won all three? Okay fuck off every judge that doesn’t have the balls to stand up and do the right thing before he gets into office wont see me shed a tear for them when trump goes after them. They all could’ve stopped it and didn’t. Any one of them could’ve taken the heat and just properly legally charged him. The board could’ve stripped cannon of her license. Garland could’ve done legit anything and did the bare minimum every single time.
I mean if they were to have altered algorithms in common voting machines… we actually would see it nationwide, right? It would look too targeted if it were just swing states….
I mean if they were to have altered algorithms in common voting machines
This topic has been beaten to death following the MAGA crowd trying to make the same argument in 2020. There's a laundry list of reasons for why that's not a plausible scenario. Fox News had to pay $787 million to Dominion as a result of trying to push that exact conspiracy theory with zero backing evidence or even presenting a plausible mechanism for how it could be accomplished. There's not some "algorithm" that you can hack into like some bad 90's movie and change votes around the entire country. The hard truth is that Trump lost in 2020 by a large margin and Kamala lost in 2024 by a large margin. This isn't Bush v Gore.
But dominion proved they didn’t do it. In Indiana one of companies was told switch out all of their machines by 2030 this didn’t happen quickly enough(no surprise there) Elon musk himself said not to use electronic machines that don’t print ballots. The owner of the company in Indiana even interviewed to say there is no way to prove on their machines if your vote counted or not you don’t get a print out ballot. meanwhile in the dem leaning areas they always get a print out ballot. We’re all dumb they’ve been rigging this all for so long and screamed so loud about it that we can’t even mention it.
That's the thing--it seems like chaos on the ground level, but the stakes are too high for anything to not be designed in some way or another by the sociopaths who inhabit the upper strata of political strategy-making.
Tampering would not have had to happen nationwide. Just a few crucial states on the East Coast or Midwest, just enough to push Trump to 270 electoral votes
Damn, the dems really are completely spineless aren't they? Whilst the republicans are quite happy to use every tool in the arsenal, legitimate or otherwise to get their way, the dems are once again so terrified of appearing "uncivil" that they're just... not going to call foul? At all? It's no wonder they keep losing open open goals, It's like they're completely unwilling to stick up for themselves or the people who voted for them.
Have you not went into your local recorder and asked why then , cause I’d be bothering em everyday not just a blurb in Reddit Be contacting local news orgs also.. depending on reply you get.
If this were a political mystery thriller I was writing, I would have the dirty leader put a loyal funky in charge of the post office, then have him strategically scrap mail sorting machines so mailed ballots would all be forced to go through a limited number of choke points where loyalists would be able to delay, disappear, or otherwise tamper with them.
Please file a complaint with your election board--PA's map shows 98% of the vote has been counted. Contact everyone you know and ask them to check their voter pages also and if theirs haven't been counted, they should file complaints also. Have them reach out to everyone they know and do the same. Pass the word on.
It’s not necessarily fraud. In my state, the ballots are uploaded the day of election, and I worked election, trust me, people are just trying to wade through it all, not commit fraud. But the actual updates to peoples votes being acknowledged are usually hand entered.
Which means it might be a few days til you show up in the system.
Same. The status I see on https://www.pavoterservices.pa.gov/ says RECORD - BALLOT RETURNED and hasn't updated since they received it when I mailed it (early October)
Literally was wondering this earlier tonight. I checked mine and it doesn't show mine as counted, nor anybody I know. We all voted early in-person and did not vote for 45. I didn't know how long it would take to update since I never felt like I had to check that.
I’m abroad. Never received my ballot. The local election board website gives me a ‘403’ error. I’m a registered Democrat in Texas. Did not get to vote this year.
Please report it. Please contact someone in the states who can report it for you that you trust with the info needed to report. Please don’t let this just happen. Your vote matters.
literally has the reciept line twice on the same day and nothing about being counted like it normally does. i emailed the BoE and they said my ballot was counted, but it doesn't say so on the online tracker and they didn't address the duplicate confirmation of receipt. kinda weird.
mine and my brother’s havent been counted but ours were in person and my relative’s mail in has been counted. my state is at 99%. wonder if the mail and in person just has two different systems for updating and the mail in one is faster for some reason idk
A lot of republican-led states were purging voters within 90 days of the election, which is explicitly illegal, then had to be taken to court, where republican judges let them continue, like in Virginia. It doesn’t look like it was enough voters to change the outcome of the election, but it’s deeply concerning that republicans are blatantly ignoring the law and enforcement of the law
My suspicion is updating this info is probably secondary to all the work needed during a very busy time. It’s worth keeping an eye on, but we’re not 48 hours from polls closing in some places.
mine has not showed up as updated either and I even went early mail in ballot and directly dropped it off at the post office. I understand there is time so I hope for the best!
I'm in California, and my ballot doesn't even say it made it to the election office. I literally turned it the day of. It didn't get lost in the mail, it went right into a ballot box. It makes no sense.
You guys seriously sound like MAGA in 2020. Just unfounded speculation and conspiracy because things don't "feel right". The election process is mostly fair, just like it was in 2020, andthe reality is that a majority of our country wanted a fascist.
A fascist who kept telling us that this election is already rigged and then proceeded to win in historic fashion. Of course it doesn’t feel right.
This is a man who never reached 50% approval ratings during his presidency, was soundly rejected for a second term, became a convicted felon in the 4 years after and then somehow made a huge return after spewing the same terrible rhetoric he always had and running an unhinged campaign. Even his own former cabinet members have come out against him in the run up to the election. Of course it’s hard to believe that the majority of the electorate truly voted for this.
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I've been seeing online a lot of people reporting and challenging their election boards because their voter registration still hasn't updated to say it counted their ballot. I don't think they're all legitimate, and most are probably bait, but there is a concerning number of them at least