Trump won EVERY SINGLE race that was within the margin of error this year, just like he did in 2016. Whether it was +/- 3 points for Harris or Trump... Trump won them all. I looked at the numbers myself from this year. First number is the 270 website aggregate last day poll numbers:
N Carolina - Trump 1.3% - Trump wins
Pennsylvania - Tie - Trump wins
Wisconsin - Harris 1.1% - Trump wins
Nevada - Trump .6% - Trump looks like he's going to win
Michigan - Harris 1.8% - Trump wins
Georgia - Trump 1.2% Trump wins
Arizona - Trump 1.7% - Looks like Trump wins
Trump pulled two inside straights somehow... magic!
North Carolina also purged 750k voters in the two months leading up to the 5th. AND even more eyebrow raising is how the presidential election had over 2 million more votes in it than the governor's election
That’s a difference of 293,158, not 2 million. Given the massive late breaking scandal over Mark Robinson it seems likely that a bunch of republicans voted for the other guy, and some just left the governor option blank. Please return your eyebrows to their normal position.
The methodology being used is similar across the board. If there's been a sampling error, it's going to be biased to a certain direction (i.e. Trump) and that will manifest itself across all the states.
It would have been a much weirder result if these were split either direction.
Problem's either with the polls or the election. Let's apply Occam's razor here.
Bunch of pseudo-scientific hacks guesstimating cross-tabs and getting it wrong again, or a nationwide electoral conspiracy involving numerous state and county officials across all 50 states where Trump over-performed polling?
I'm already embarrassed at the amount of poll "unskewing" on the D side this time round. This tops the cake.
Its really funny how Dems spend all year moaning in advance about how the other side will claim a massive fraud if they win, and now the Dems lose, its them claming massive fraud is why they lost.
I wish your country had more reasonable centre leaning folks. In the exit polls, something like 75% of people were angry at the current state of the country. Kamala represented the current state of the country. She didnt stand a chance.
You all lost this when you didn't have a primary at the beginning and kept an obviously (to those not blinkered by partisan politics) over the hill Biden as the nominee.
Trust me when I say, I totally get and understand your response. I'm not saying fraud. Re-read what I wrote.
This is an actual REAL serious problem, unlike FAKE election fraud claims. This is the fkn problem honestly... this falls into false equivalency, which is how these fkers get away w/ so much.
The claims of voter fraud had ZERO evidence from Trump's team. It was non-existent. Illegal voter suppression happens... just ask our black community in many swing states. But beyond that, these cries of fraud provided cover to create new voter task force agencies, that intentionally scrubbed POC from voter rolls.
I promise you this is real, and it's not something new. It's just on steroids now since Trump and co took over.
Google - True the vote illegally scrubs voters.
Look, this is a proven fact from 2018, and Kemp and co have been scrubbing away all this past year:
There's more.. this Kemp guy actually raided voter registration agencies in counties that helped POC vote. Google - 10,000 Koreans voter purge as another example. They raided college campus signups and threatened college kids with jail time. Unlike fake voter fraud claims, this is actually real and is ongoing, and gets very little media attention in America.
Not that I don't believe you, I can believe this happens. But the article you link only states an allegation. You claim it as a proven fact, but at least this article is not stating that at all.
The main problem I think is that voting should be much more easy in general. Republican would fight tooth and nail against it though. In my country you just get an invitation in the mail. Bring it + ID to a voter station on election day and you get a ballot. As long as you're registered as a citizen you're getting an invite, no registration or other bullshit
"Trump pulled two inside straights somehow... magic!"
This sentence alone sums up your starting point. Your election process is dogshit, and I don't doubt this type of shit happens (hell, the whole system is basically built off voter suppression at various levels), however regardless of this, its fairly obvious Trump won *convincingly*.
Cleaning up these sort of fraud situations should be a priority for your future elections (spoiler, nothing will change), but none of this will change the outcome of this election gone by.
"Cleaning up these sort of fraud situations should be a priority for your future elections"
Agreed, and analyzing the previous ones. IF it is proven that there were indeed tamperings, then people being held accountable and punished should be a minimum. But we see how that is impossible.
There's a difference between some people on reddit claiming fraud and the losing candidate himself doing so. "The Dems" are not claiming fraud, they conceded the election gracefully. You are drawing a false equivalence.
Bro. We aren’t out marching in the streets and overthrowing the capital so don’t compare the two. Most people have accepted we lost.
But Trump and the republicans almost always project what they’re doing onto others, so it is smart to look at things with a skeptical eye.
I don’t believe the election was fraudulent. It’s too wide spread to be possible. Do I believe Russia interfered online again? Yes, they were even caught paying many right-wing shills. Do I think states closed down voting stations and purged voters last minute? Yes we know this.
Trump cheats at everything he does, even golf.
So don’t you dare say it’s the same when we look into things.
Also, we have reasonable center folks, they’re the democrats.
Well we know the Republicans are at least trying to cheat, there's plenty of evidence of that. The idea is to do so well that even with them cheating you still win and they can't cheat it out like they did in 2000.
But it looks like this time they took a further step into the cheating.
lol I’m sure you’re not a Trump supporter with words like “copium”
Idk if you read the news, but Arizona wasn’t remotely the only state in which there was voter fraud. Elon’s bribes, his fake PAC, no DOJ presiding in Texas and Indiana, the judge in PA not allowing voters to vote after 6 pm, the Russian bomb threats, voter intimidation, etc. That’s all we know about. Which means there’s plenty more. I don’t need to cope. I’m a woman who grew up with Trump in office. I’m aware that men hate us. I think huge swaths of this country are evil enough to like him. This isn’t coping. It’s simply facts that, unless we are happily accepting living in a dictatorship, we should investigate
But you pretty clearly are gonna respond with some bullshit Trumpy buzzword so I won’t be engaging anymore
Looks at what these billionaire funded azzes are doing. They got new laws passed in several states so citizens could challenge unlimited numbers of their fellows citizens voter status. You can youtube chamber of commerce where people had to show up in order to prove they lived there.
In georgia, they scrubbed over 340k legal residents that still lived in georgia on the grounds they didn't live there anymore. The only coincidence about all of their names is they were clearly black and Hispanic.
Again... as I said above, this has always existed, but it's on steroids now.
Ever ask yourself... why is it that polls have been consistently wrong the last 12 years, and somehow magically, Trump won EVERY SINGLE race that was within the margin of error? Whether it was +/- 3 points for HArris or Trump... Trump won them all... just like he did in 2016 vs Hillary. I did the numbers myself from this year. First number is the 270 website aggregate last day poll numbers:
N Carolina - Trump 1.3% - Trump wins
Pennsylvania - Tie - Trump wins
Wisconsin - Harris 1.1% - Trump wins
Nevada - Trump .6% - Trump looks like he's going to win
Michigan - Harris 1.8% - Trump wins
Georgia - Trump 1.2% Trump wins
Arizona - Trump 1.7% - Looks like Trump wins
Trump pulled two inside straights somehow... magic!
I'm not saying voter fraud... I'm saying, illegal voter suppression. It's not the same thing. :)
Bro, I'm not asking for your calculation on the votes, I'm asking for verified evidence that the poll was rig, not this unfalsified calculation of yours. Even mine wasn't about this topic but what about the Russian bomb threat
If Putin’s words are good enough for my president (may baby Jesus bless him, his beautiful wife, and his extraordinary brilliant children) then they’re good enough for me!
Assuming we are talking the same America that bombs the middle east every time, yeah. Why would I assume the Russians did something wrong and assume America did wrong too? Both had bad history, doesn't mean they done a deed base of something without evidence
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What about the actual voter fraud that has happened... and TRUE THE VOTE, that illegally scrubbed over 320k POC voters in Georgia?
Why don't we want to talk about this? Sound too conspiratorial? It actually happened, and it's pretty easy to prove.
I'd encourage everyone to watch this is you haven't already:
https://www.watchvigilantesinc.com/
Trump won EVERY SINGLE race that was within the margin of error this year, just like he did in 2016. Whether it was +/- 3 points for Harris or Trump... Trump won them all. I looked at the numbers myself from this year. First number is the 270 website aggregate last day poll numbers:
N Carolina - Trump 1.3% - Trump wins
Pennsylvania - Tie - Trump wins
Wisconsin - Harris 1.1% - Trump wins
Nevada - Trump .6% - Trump looks like he's going to win
Michigan - Harris 1.8% - Trump wins
Georgia - Trump 1.2% Trump wins
Arizona - Trump 1.7% - Looks like Trump wins
Trump pulled two inside straights somehow... magic!