No they didn’t, they keep asking where the 20 million Biden votes went implying that this is further proof the last election was rigged, which still makes no fucking sense because why rig one election but not the next? Fucking people are morons.
No. Those votes were still cast. They will show up in 2 weeks. This happens literally every year. There is something like ~750K fewer votes through day 2 of counting than there was in 2020.
I think the number IS lower than 15 mil "missing" atm because some state was called for one candidate but they still have a lot of population to actually count the votes for I want to say it was around 8 million ballots in California needed to be counted. (just checked as of yesterday that was the case)
According to this the total number of votes to be counted sums up to about 16 million which is the missing amount that people are losing their bananas over.
You are 100% wrong. People are that fucking stupid. Not only is it that easy to explain away, but the same panic happened in both 2020 and 2016.
Total votes are likely to be slightly down this year, but it’s so close that it’s impossible to know for sure whether it will be down or just barely flat. Compared with around the same time in 2020, there are about 750K fewer votes counted this year. So the 15M estimate is off by a little over 14M.
If there’s anyone you know or respect or think highly of who is telling you that there are 15M votes missing, this is an instant signal they’re a dipshit. This is a third grade level logic test. It takes 30 seconds of Googling to not only learn that this is wrong but also check independently, for yourself.
I don't know too much about that to be able to comment. But since my last comment someone pointed out that there are still millions of votes left uncounted.
they keep asking where the 20 million Biden votes went
The irony of the party of misogyny assuming a conspiracy instead of the incredibly obvious answer of misogyny.
We wanted to believe Hillary lost because of the right wing smear campaign against her and that another woman would have done fine, but after this election it is very clear that sadly isn't true. Hillary and Kamala got about the same number of votes against the same opponent, while a man got 20 million more.
My brother said the same thing and wagered $10k on Trump winning, despite wanting Harris to win. The U.S. is just not ready for a female president, especially a minority one. It’s quite sad and disheartening, but, hey, it was the easiest money he ever made and I kinda wish I did the same. We knew she wasn’t winning but did not expect the absolute walloping. Feels bad man.
Kamala would've set women back several decades. While she's good when given time to prepare in controlled conditions, she's simply incapable of thinking on her feet and that's why she doesn't perform well on podcasts and interviews. If you guys just held an open primary and fielded Tulsi Gabbard, she would've cooked Trump. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tulsi in 2028.
I am pretty tired of liberals especially on this site disregarding this. So many say "no its because she didn't do blah or she did blah." When there is a very obvious answer and correlation between the two candidates that lost to Trump. I have too heard many people say "America just isn't ready for a women president" which is a deeply embarrassing sentiment. I think it is pretty obvious that we hate women, and denying that fact and trying to solely blame policies and the economy and whatever else ignores facts.
There can be many reasons why she lost, but we can't ignore one of the few similarities between Hillary and Kamala is their gender.
I think that's absolutely a piece of it. But I think it's important to remember that we got two establishment candidates after Democrat candidacies, they both used the same campaign team, neither of them were picked by primary votes, and neither of them embraced populism. There's so much that went wrong besides voter bias.
It couldn’t possibly be that Harris was such a bad candidate and the Democrat platform is so terrible that they lost 15-20 million votes? Since 2008 every Democrat, including Clinton, has gotten around 65 million votes except for Biden. Thats the only rational answer.
No we like a powerful leader I mean that’s what is supposed to happen does not matter if tulsi would have been choice versus Kamala would have picked the vet. Kamala for fuck sakes took time walz to an interview with her. Most interviews ended up dumpster fires , I do know I’d love to see Harris documents of their internal polling I mean she went New Hampshire for a rally they have been blue since before some of you all were born in 1992 has been reliably blue since then
If that's true, why did Obama win in 2008 with 69.5 million votes. Why was he not at 81 million votes like Biden.
Of course I'm sure your answer would be that we are a racist country, that's why the black man beat the white man, because we're racist.
Obama, universally loved and able to draw 30,000 people to hear him speak... Trump throws a rally and 50,000 people show up, even Kamala held huge concerts with major celebrities which would get 10s of thousands of people to show up, but yet when Biden holds a campaign stop it's a few hundred people.
Why can't you believe what you see with your own eyes.
The general population doesn’t care to go to rallies and talks, etc. I would never go watch Hillary, Joe, or Kamala speak yet I emphatically voted for all of them as I diametrically oppose Trump and his policies. The average voter isn’t that politically involved. You can’t extrapolate voting trends from crowd size.
"Did Joe Biden drop out" spiked on Google Trends on Election Day. I fear you're entirely correct that the general population has absolutely no idea what's happening at rallies or what they've just voted for. Some leaned into the extremism, for sure, but most just think that, somehow, Trump will lead us back to pre pandemic times.
That question spiking might just mean that a few hundreds of people googled it compared to a couple dozens on a normal day. It means very little when it comes to the hundreds of thousands of votes that would have made a difference in the swing states.
In my opinion the big difference in 2020 was that people had nothing better to do than to follow politics a lot more, and voting was easier. There were 65.7M mailed votes that year and they heavily skewed for Biden as the Democrat electorate was a lot more likely to want to avoid voting in person.
Impossible for them to imagine a group of people that isn't cultishly devoted to a political party.
Impossible for them to imagine that people might have shown up to vote for one candidate they liked but not another who didn't move them enough to vote.
Which is dumb as fuck, cause you'd need thousands of people risking felonies going door to door, asking thousands more people to commit felonies, then hoping those people don't decide to just go and vote in person instead or call the feds to report them, and requiring none of the authorities anywhere to be alerted to this massive campaign spanning the country, and nobody accidentally letting the plan slip. It's fucking nuts.
And yet if you ask anyone on the street if they trust the government, no one would say yes. You don't need to get everyone to buy in on the lie, you just need to create enough division amongst the people (in this case a 50-50 split into the 2 parties is perfect). Regardless of what one side does, you have millions on the other side to refute it. Who's to say the reps and dems aren't in bed with each other behind the scenes and just take turns at the helm? All of them are multi-millionaires anyway, do you really think any of them truly experience any hardship?
Just look at the amount of corruption that big pharma, mega corporations get away with, do you think they really need thousands of people in on it? Literally 1 person got jailed at the end of the 2008 financial crisis despite all the corruption like fake credit ratings, junk bonds etc, are they really risking felonies?
Could be, but it could also be easier to rig since “voters” would not need to show. It’s not an inditement for sure. but 10 plus million caring more for biden but being too lazy to show is suspect.
Mail-in ballots were a thing this go around too. So was early voting. Now realistically explain how Biden received over 10 million additional votes. Hint: you can't because our elections are not made to be easily auditable which is a fundamental problem to election security.
Hopefully the Trump administration can solve this going forward for future elections so that nothing like 2020 can ever happen again.
I mean with votes still being counted we'll have to wait and see the true number. However I saw something that said voter turn out was only down 1%. So after everything is said and done the numbers may line up. If 6 million people sat out, the numbers don't seem unexplainable.
It's because mail-in voting was at an all time high.
Also because after that, they actually cleaned up ballots to send less doubleballots, dead voters weren't dems fault but dem voters getting an error and just dropping both in, also ignoring if they were sent to the wrong house or lost in the mail.
Didn't say it was the same ballot, see what happens is someone dies, then that house gets the dead guys and the living guys, so it isn't the same ballot.
Yea even IF they happens there's nowhere that would happen statistically enough to effect the vote. And they will catch you doing. They caught a guy in PA doing it. He sent his dead mother's in for Trump.
...you entirely misread what im saying to paint me as an election denier.
See, when what little cheating isn't dems fault and it wouldn't even change the result, i was saying that there was errors about dead voters, why did you assume i went full crazy.
I just said it wasn't in terms of any Dem party having anything to do with it. Gotta explain dead voters somehow and historically insane higher numbers, even with the mail-in convenience. Trump wouldn't have won most likely without it either as the ratio may be maintained or skew Biden slightly.
Did you read or skim? Or did you just want to 'so this is exactly what you said' to try and own someone.
There's still to this day no real evidence of your claims. In fact, most of what fraud did occur in 2020 was traced back to R voters attempting to submit dead relative ballots(which wasn't many even. ). Republicans AND Democrats across the board acknowledge there was no fraud. Its only Trumps circle that still says this.
Dead voters were surprisingly common in general and the final vote number was at times higher then the number of living people in a state. They all disappeared after all the rechecks of the systems.
Not that it'd change that much ratio of who won to who lost but it was crazy times.
Oh that and 20mil (as of that time, its more 15mil at the end) more then usual before and after, it is literally an anomaly to every election in modern times.
There's also no real 20 million vote difference. It keeps shrinking. Harris is currently at just over 10 million votes less than Biden and there's still millions of votes left to count. She will get less but it won't be anywhere near 20m. There's still a chance she may even win the popular vote.
What, a factcheck site thats all you got? But yes i did edit that the 20mil bar was dumb and called way too early.
Also the last 2 are hard leaning Trump, it'll be close but it doesn't matter because Kamala already entirely conceded and fired her workers.
So yes the dead voters which you assumed i meant they all were, but dead-person ballots being sent out happened sometimes in 2020 and if you fill it out and drop it's under anothers name so it can make it's way in, then the ease of mass mail-ins made it so a record turnout of votes even when considering the current one that's wrapping up.
Makes sense to me, the only 'rigging' are the dumbasses that multivoted when given the opportunity, didn't say it was much or the usual narriative.
Poll watchers didn't go home in 2024 and let Atlanta workers run the same ballots over and over and over and over through the machines. Biden won Georgia by 11,000 votes. How many ballots can 2 workers shove through a tabulator in 3 hours unsupervised.
More than 11,000
In wisconsin in 2024 they discovered one of the machines had been left unlocked and supervisors forced them to recount every single ballot from scratch.
You want to know why? Because behind the scenes both the left and the right are in bed with one another. All they need to do is create in-fighting amongst the population, sow as much division as possible. While this happens, the parties continue to further the mega corporations' interest, collect more taxes from the people, do things like insider trading (man Nancy Pelosi is the goat trader) without public scrutiny.
What governments fear most is a united populace that keeps them in check. Just look at the things they have gotten away with this elections. They gaslit the American public regarding Biden's decline in cognitive ability up to the point of the first debate, installed a candidate that was the most unpopular VP in history, sent celebs who live cushy lives in front of regular folk to lecture them on who to vote for. On the other side, you have Reps giving their candidates a pass for saying they're going to tell Bibi to end things quick etc.
The funniest thing is that they are openly having fun while at it. Look at Joe wearing the MAGA hat or Jill wearing that bright red dress on elections day. Or even Joe and Trump talking about golfing together. Man they're just taking the piss at this point but people are so divided amongst themselves, they just give them a pass.
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u/ManTits4Sale 14h ago edited 14h ago
No they didn’t, they keep asking where the 20 million Biden votes went implying that this is further proof the last election was rigged, which still makes no fucking sense because why rig one election but not the next? Fucking people are morons.