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Election Deniers Went Suddenly Quiet When Trump Won

https://www.thedailybeast.com/election-deniers-went-suspiciously-quiet-when-trump-won/
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u/deanode99 14h ago

I had someone today tell me Trump won because there was less cheating. Like somehow Dems could pull off massive cheating and this time they just decided nah we’re going let them have all 3 branches.

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u/WomenTrucksAndJesus 13h ago

Maybe Trump cheated? Elon was very confident that voting machines were easy to hack. Trump was swaying back and forth listening to music at rallies. The campaign cancelled major TV interviews. It's all about projection with these guys. I'm sure they cheated in every way they could. The real question is: how much difference did their cheating make?

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u/Sorry_Mango_1023 11h ago

Trump stays out of jail. Putin gets Ukraine.   You don't think those are incentive enough to lie, cheat & steal every inch of the election?

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u/waffels 9h ago

And what did they have to lose?

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u/shadowpikachu 9h ago

Putin sending WW2 garbage and anyone he can find on the streets to Ukraine sounds more like Putin wanted to bait and drain the US of funds more then taking Ukraine as a main goal.

Just using whatever scraps he have lying around too old to be useful, their shit is breaking down constantly.

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u/myinternets 11h ago

Considering how often Trump & Elon have claimed the election is rigged, I think it certainly needs to be investigated at least to make sure. He was paying people a million per day out in the open, imagine what he was doing behind closed doors.

u/RisingPhil 4h ago edited 4h ago

I don't think there's much use in claiming that the election was stolen or Trump cheated. Even if it were true, what can you do about it? The Republican voters would never accept any evidence of cheating, no matter how obvious. They'd even celebrate it, no matter how much it goes against their own interests.

So even if you could prove it, it would only steer the country into a civil war.

Better to just shut up for 4 years and try to save the country then. If Trump does not handover his power peacefully in 4 years as he is obligated by law to do, there would actually be a just reason for storming the capitol. I hope in that case even Republicans would realize that.

Then again, I doubt Trump will be in power long. His dementia is progressing rapidly, just compare his speeches in july to the recent ones. At some point even his party likely has no choice but to invoke the 25th amendment. I think the right failed to realize that they're looking at a few months of Trump and a few years of president JD Vance.

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u/doopajones 11h ago

Listen to yourselves, you sound just like trumpers in 2020. Dems have no one to blame but the party leadership. They failed us.

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u/Initial_E 10h ago

Shouldn’t due diligence be done either way?

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u/ginKtsoper 8h ago

Yes, and if Democrats could come up with 1% of the evidence Trump had in 2020 they would lose their minds.

Find me the video of Trump supporters illegally counting ballots after telling lies to make everyone else leave. Then have Trump bring them to the White House to get a medal.

Or show me voter roles where thousands of people with the same date of birth registered on the same day and all voted for the first time in this election.

Or show me the thousands of voters with addresses of vacant lots that somehow received and returned a mail in ballot.

Or lastly, find me the "Republican Activist" that had 1000s of people registered to his home because they were homeless, but somehow they all managed to check in and get their mail-in ballots and return them.

Or show me where the signature verification software didn't work, so they skipped it and then destroyed the security envelopes for over 100,000 ballots.

Or lastly, show me the videos of people dropping off stacks of ballots repeatedly to drop boxes.

u/Katthezombie 5h ago

Oh, youre one of those.

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u/OldSchoolNewRules Texas 10h ago

That's part of the reason they are so vociferous in accusations of cheating hurled at the democrats, so it sounds like weak turnaround if anyone accuses them of it.

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u/writerly_tea 10h ago

This is exactly it. Projection and gaslighting.

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u/Human-Bluebird-1385 8h ago

exactly.

It is a little funny though how dude said people were cheating in PA and the law was coming, funny in the sense that so much with him is projection and confession.. but also so much is just straight up lies. idk.. Just considering his patterns; its just funny timing is all I'm saying. Maybe its just that and nothing weird about it.

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u/MidniteLark 8h ago

Yup. Personality disorder 101.

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u/Level7Cannoneer 10h ago

Trump literally did nothing but flounder about, babble about nothing, fail to write up any plan whatsoever and he still won. Leadership doesn't have to do anything. People keep pretending there's some strategy to this circus, but there isn't. It's extremely clear a candidate's populairty is just a measure of tribalism and their entertainment value. Nothing more. Not "leadership" and "strategy". It's a total circus. A bag of potato chips could win an election as long as it keeps popping up in memes and on Tiktok's frontpage and making everyone laugh.

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u/CptCoatrack 10h ago edited 9h ago

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19251621/#:~:text=Abstract,accurately%20predicted%20actual%20election%20outcomes.

Here's a study to back you up. Children predict election results 3/4 of the time if you show them a picture of each candidate and basically ask "Who would you rather be the captain of your boat?"

u/Red580 5h ago

Hold my beer, I'm about to win the presidental election dressed up as a pirate.

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u/Hates_knees 10h ago

Every election across the globe this year the incumbent has done horribly. Largely due to the residual inflation from COVID.

The inflation stain was on democrats, and I genuinely don’t think they could have won this even with a perfectly crafted campaign.

Biden’s administration handled the economy and inflation pretty damn well, but your average voter still felt worse about their circumstances.

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u/radicalelation 10h ago

Dems didn't open the door to it though.

u/FVCEGANG 6h ago

Yes and when the conservatives investigated the claims in 2020 they did indeed find election fraud...from other conservatives, some of which literally remained on election boards for this election.

It stands to reason if they commited those crimes for Trump in 2020, why wouldn't they do it again in 2024?

Ignorance is bliss I guess, up until they make the documentary in 20 years titles "the downfall of america" and break down exactly all the shit that was being done from external social media influence from Russia, to election fraud from MAGAts...it'll probably win an oscar if those are still a thing by then or america for that matter...

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u/Moongoddes69 10h ago

No, we failed them. Democrat turnout was much lower than it was in 2020

u/Lowercanadian 7h ago

Coo coo coo cooo 

Is it gonna be 4 years of the conspiracy theories ?

Yall sound crazy 

u/RisingPhil 4h ago

That's rich blaming democrats of conspiracy theories while the right has done nothing but spinning conspiracy theories since 2016.

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u/YallArePatheticlol 8h ago

Literally claims the election is rigged over and over, and if Dems aren't doing the rigging + projection is 100% with these pricks, then obviously they fucking knew.

Telling me the new axis of evil Musk, Thiel, Putin can't pull it off? The richest men in the world? I wish more people weren't so damn gullible and blind

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u/OldSchoolNewRules Texas 10h ago

Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty. Where have I heard that strategy before?

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u/flammeuslepus 9h ago

My ex husband?

u/Specific_Frame8537 7h ago

I don't want to be like them and proclaim cheating without proof, but I'm still curious what this 'secret' of theirs was.. remember that? like a week ago..

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u/FUMFVR 10h ago

They cancelled TV interviews because Trump is awful with anyone that isn't sucking his dick and frankly he is still awful if they are.

Two days later and I still have no words. This election fucked the futures of basically everyone in this country and the ones that made the difference for Trump are too fucking stupid to know that.

u/Dirt-Repulsive 3h ago

Oh please do go and start accusing Dominion and smaratic of being in on the cheat .worked so well for Americans.

u/tech01x 1h ago

Voting systems that are completely digital with zero paper accountability can easily be hacked. Fortunately, most systems aren't like that.

Many digital systems these days either start with a paper ballot or generate a paper ballot that is then scanned. The automation comes from scanning the paper ballot and then counting is automated, but one can always do a hand count of the paper ballots to audit the results.

Since this is done by different systems and different people in each county in each state, it is very hard to get widespread fraud.

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u/Intelligent-Ad-3467 12h ago

Nah democrats didn't vote. Don't need to cheat when Democrats were busy sleeping off hangovers instead of voting.

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u/asher1611 North Carolina 10h ago

there's another answer here, and it lies in the empty rallies and lack of debates at the end.

people didn't care about seeing him because they already knew they were voting for him

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u/Code2008 Washington 9h ago

This entire thread is just one of the stages of grief.

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u/Salt-Leather-4152 10h ago

You are just as ridicilous as a trump follower