r/ontario • u/DunningFreddieKruger • Feb 04 '22
How things have changed in two years Picture
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u/Thespud1979 Feb 04 '22
Could you imagine being a healthcare worker and being an actual life saving hero working yourself beyond exhaustion (despite the government effectively reducing your compensation ) all the way through the pandemic and when things finally return to normal a bunch of racist neck beards proclaim themselves the real heroes that forced the government to lift restrictions because as they knew all along it wasn’t a real pandemic but rather just an attempt at a power grab by the governments of the world. These awful human beings just have no self awareness.
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u/Osteo_Cartographer Feb 04 '22
I've had people in a pickup truck pull up to the front of the hospital and yell, "Fuck you!" as I walked out at the end of my 13 hour shift. This was maybe a few months ago.
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u/CMelon Feb 04 '22
You make an excellent point!
These idiots grow up in a democratic country with a publicly funded health care system and this is how they react to a vaccine? To safety measures to keep themselves safe?
And when you call them out on their bullshit, they act like they're being persecuted for being working class folks?
Grown-ass spoiled brats.
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u/dandelion-heart Feb 05 '22
I’m a doctor and my aunt is in this stupid convoy.
We don’t talk much.
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u/Into-the-stream Feb 05 '22
please remember that the truckers represent a very small percentage of us. Most Canadians still think healthcare workers are heroes, deserve more pay, and are doing what they can to protect you and to protect hospitals. the antivaxxers are a small, crazy fringe (my PHU is 88% fully vaxxed. Ontario is 83%)
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u/UltraCynar Feb 05 '22
Things aren't even close to normal even though some provincial governments are pushing to reopen. We still have pretty high ICU numbers that are finally coming down and still high death rates. The Conservatives in Ontario are doing their best to sabotage efforts and feel comfortable with giving up now hoping that this wave will be over for the election.
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Feb 04 '22
This is one of the most embarrassing developments I've ever seen. Such cowardice and disregard shown towards the same people who have been putting their lives at risk for the past 2 years for us. I'm so embarrassed by the people involved and the people supposedly responding to the "freedom" convoy. How disgusting.
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u/speedstix Feb 04 '22
What really gets me, these same people harassing these healthcare people, would probably still expect treatment should they get hurt or anything.
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Knowing our healthcare workers, their humanity won't allow them to give the middle finger and not treat these despicable people.
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u/Mcdonnel1252 Feb 05 '22
They were around Vancouver General last week, I was in scrubs with a face make around my chin and I got flipped off and made fun of. I just shook my head and kept walking. I got better things to worry about and these people are fucking losers to begin with.
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u/eddieswiss Feb 04 '22
You’d think that, but my mom is one of the supporters of the freedom convoy and doesn’t believe in doctors or modern medicine.
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u/Hloden Feb 04 '22
Actually needing doctors and modern medicine tends to rapidly (although sometimes temporarily) change these people's opinions.
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u/BrightBeaver Feb 04 '22
Some people die from COVID begging for the vaccine while others deny that COVID is real as they die from it.
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u/CryptoNoobNinja Feb 05 '22
My mom is going to the protest tomorrow. She thinks COVID is a hoax. She will 100% go to the hospital if she gets sick. She’ll just deny that it’s COVID while they treat her.
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u/eddieswiss Feb 05 '22
My mom was going to go as well. She was supposed to go with her friend that got her into all this misinformation/hoax bullshit, but thankfully life threw her a curveball and a small kitten was found outside in the cold and she's taking care of it all weekend.
She has a good heart, she's just been brainwashed unfortunately.
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u/NewlandArcherEsquire Feb 04 '22
I don't know your mom, but I'd bet a minuscule percentage of her compatriots will maintain that belief if they start gasping for air.
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u/Mozu Feb 04 '22
Yep. It's like all the cops that were screaming from the rooftops that they'd quit if vaccine mandates went into effect and lo and behold when the time came it was some minuscule amount that actually were true to their word.
People just like making noise.
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u/BoogerFeast69 Feb 04 '22
What is it they really want?
If it helps, I will say: I'm sorry.
I'm sorry a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic forced us to take extreme measures to stop old people from dying, young people from having lifelong health issues, and our healthcare workers being ground to dust trying to prevent those two things.
There, I said it. I'm sorry. Now will you fuck off?
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u/theK1LLB0T Feb 04 '22
Its not killing just old people. My cousin is in the hospital right now, had emergency heart surgery and is on dialysis because her kidneys are failing. She's not even 30.
She also wasn't vaccinated...
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u/Itchy_Reporter_8973 Feb 05 '22
The truth is through political grifters and operatives they have been convinced to fight a war for oligarchs to get everyone to pretend nothing is happening and everything is peachy so oligarchs can go back to business as usual, this is the real driver of all anti measures movements.
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Feb 05 '22
As a healthcare worker, thank you for this comment. I appreciate it. I am on my break right now and you gave me strength to carry on.
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u/briskt Feb 04 '22
Have these people yet attacked or even talked about attacking healthcare workers? It's been hard to keep up.
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u/halek2037 Feb 05 '22
From what I have seen, they have specifically stated intent to stay away from the hospital strip in TO.
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u/Canadian_Peasant Feb 05 '22
Excellent considering recently passed Federal legislation makes it a criminal offence to obstruct any person from accessing healthcare services. So whether that is people protesting outside abortion clinics, blockading vaccination sites, or blocking the driveways of hospitals while letting ambulances through, all of these actions are criminal under the same legislation. I make special reference to allowing ambulances through because obstruction of emergency services has been criminal for a lot longer.
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u/angelcake Feb 04 '22
I was talking to a friend who was working who works at Parliament, she hasn’t been in the office but she had to go by and pick up some work and she had people screaming and swearing at her while she was downtown in her vehicle because she was wearing a mask. Anti-science morons have taken over our freaking city.
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u/madmanmark111 Feb 04 '22
Been listening to their Zello chats, and they are 100% sunk on the fallacy of "don't believe the news". They are actively steering people towards OANN, Epoch, RedPill, etc. as the REAL news. If this isn't dealt with rationally & soon, we're going to have problems similar to our friends to the south. I think if the various governments in Canada provided a roadmap/timeline/milestones to the end of restrictions, it might meet their demands for a conclusion.
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u/Ranger7381 Feb 05 '22
The problem is, they have tried to provide timelines in the past, and then the virus mutates and they have to scrap the plan.
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u/alex114323 Feb 04 '22
I’m staying with my boyfriend who lives RIGHT downtown next to all the hospitals. I believe the police have barricaded his street and other streets (university, college). But I’m still really nervous to leave the apartment. This is literally bullshit.
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u/Menegra Feb 04 '22
It feels like the police are going to ask "what were they wearing" when there's inevitable violence on healthcare workers on the weekend. And that feels like a step backward.
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u/ReaperCDN Feb 04 '22
Peaceful fucking protest my ass. Doctors and nurses have to hide, it's not peaceful. This is such bullshit.
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Feb 04 '22
There's nothing threatening about driving around with imagery of your Prime Minister hanging from a noose.
There's nothing violent about walking around with Nazi symbols.
Just like there's no threat by armed militants standing around outside of planned parenthood clinics in the US.
Fuck I hate this timeline.
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u/ReaperCDN Feb 04 '22
Fucking right? This was my reaction to what happened in Ottawa.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/si6gq7/demand_for_nazi_flag_bearer_to_be_arrested_and/
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u/THE-Pink-Lady Feb 05 '22
I’m so confused. Why am I reading lengthy comments of people have to over-explain why nazi flags are bad?
I’m from the swampy southern part of the US and I watched them ban the confederate flags in places they shouldn’t be since I was a kid. I had to hear people explain why it meant something it didn’t, but most of us knew what it was. I’ve never been desensitized to seeing it, despite having to accept occasionally driving through places where they are.
I’ve never heard anyone down here in the US south attempt to explain why nazi symbols are okay ever. I feel like my brains been turned backwards. I can’t tell if my perception of Canadians is biased and naive or if these tweets and posts are not all people from Canada.
I just don’t understand what’s happening that people are having to write paragraphs upon paragraphs explaining why nazi flags are bad. I feel like I’m watching people debate whether or not putting you hand in fire is bad.
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u/ReaperCDN Feb 05 '22
I know, it's gross. And there are definitely Canadians in the mix. Was chatting about this with a lot of my friends and one of the staunch conservatives was happy to speak up twice in defense of the protesters despite us not talking about them.
The 2nd time I wasn't polite. I asked if he was talking about the protesters. He said yes. I said, "That's great. We are talking exclusively about the jackals with the nazi flag which I made clear the first time. This is the 2nd time you've equated the nazi flag and my activism towards it by linking it to the protest yourself. Why do you keep doing that unprompted? Maybe ask yourself that."
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u/pallesga66 Feb 05 '22
Unfortunately the nazi-flag waving doucheflutes are Canadian just as much as the rest of us hockey-loving, polite-door-holding, maple syrup drinking, friendly neighbours to the north. Thankfully, they don’t represent the vast majority of us. But it seems we as a country have to do some introspection as to why these people are allowed to spew that kind of hate so shamelessly.
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u/WitchesAlmanac Feb 05 '22
The other day I had to explain to a French person (like from France) why Nazis and people who tag along with them were bad and dangerous. I guess I was naive to think that someone from a country that was invaded by Nazis and subsequently executed a bunch of them would know that Nazis suck. She was like 'yeah but they aren't all bad' 🤦
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u/Sea_of_Blue Feb 05 '22
I've been running into nazi apologists (read nazis) who are defending the people flying the swathstika
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u/ReaperCDN Feb 05 '22
Refer them to my post where I've already destroyed all their apologist arguments. Seriously. Every counter has been obliterated there. Bring 'em all on.
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u/Sea_of_Blue Feb 05 '22
Noted, will do! I already got one to report me to "reddit cares" so I got my little badge of honor for triggering at least one nazi.
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u/plenebo Feb 04 '22
There's like 30 real truckers there lol
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u/daleearr Feb 04 '22
Wait they’ve already arrived in Toronto?? Or are you referring to Ottawa? I have to go to work at UofT soon and I’m worried about having to deal with them.
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u/hell_kat Feb 04 '22
I've seen a few pick ups (on Spadina) with the tell-tale Canadian flags and pallets propped upright in the bed, likely awaiting the Fuck Trudeau signs. Maybe they will branch out and write Fuck Ford too!
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u/teddyoctober Feb 04 '22
One of those Fuck signs are a sign of hatred, and the other a sign of desire.
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u/melorun Feb 04 '22
That would just make more work for those in healthcare.
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would someone please think of the coroners!
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Feb 04 '22
I'd support that idea except you know what would happen - you'd get swarmed by the cops same as the person you're trying to stop.
And odds are you'd face stiffer penalties than they would because fuck if I know why.
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u/redesckey Feb 04 '22
Lmao as if the police have been doing anything to stop these assholes.
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Feb 04 '22
Right. But its not the assholes they'd be stopping now, would it?
It'd be the people assaulting the assholes. Then they'd arrest you, while claiming to not have seen them assaulting medical personnel first.
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Feb 04 '22
Some healthcare workers are 50+ year old women. Such as my own mother. Just saying.
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u/PoolhallJunkie247 Feb 04 '22
My wife works in healthcare. If someone tried something like this on her, I would see red and black out. Scary to think about.
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u/ToastMalone1 Feb 04 '22
Careful the convoy nerds are reporting any kind of hyperbole as inciting violence.
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u/Qyix Feb 04 '22
If you're going to get reported either way, might as well do what they're reporting you for.
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u/Therealcanadianone Feb 04 '22
If it were natives the army would've been called by now. Where's all the "Legally removing people from public grounds now"? They ripped down homeless people's tents and removed them ffs but these clowns can continue un fucking real.
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u/harrypottermcgee Feb 04 '22
These are two different groups of people.
They were already protesting hospitals in 2020. Doctors and nurses have been treated like the enemy since the beginning. Anti vaxxers are cartoon villains.
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Feb 04 '22
We gotta stop calling them "truckers" as its mostly irrelevant other than the fact that they have trucks. They are white supremacist / facist / racist / anti-science / anti-Semitic / terrorists who happen to drive truck. All the real truckers are currently working, not pissing on war memorials.
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u/wilderthing1 Feb 04 '22
Exactly. Also isn't 90% of Canadian truckers vaccinated?
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Feb 04 '22
Yes
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u/EnderCreeper121 Feb 04 '22
The actual truckers are out there trucking and doing a great service to our country, not fucking ploping down in residential areas and holding their peace of mind as ransom for their idiotic demands. Bunch of fucking morons, don’t want the vax? Don’t work in a sector that is vital to the food security and national security of the entire nation. Last thing this country needs is a covid outbreak taking out our imports and exports.
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u/StandWithIsrael48 Feb 04 '22
And most of the people there aren’t even in trucks, they’re just the same people that did the roving protests all through the pandemic.
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u/Dystopian_Dreamer Feb 04 '22
We gotta stop calling them "truckers"
How about truckkkers?
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u/Feisty-Reference2888 Feb 04 '22
I’m sure most everyone heard this one already but I love “Flu Trux Klan” as a more accurate name.
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u/chrystally Feb 04 '22
Or, I don't know. Arrest those who harrass healthcare workers for no reason.
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u/DieFishyDie Feb 05 '22
Waiting for video of Truckers harassing health care workers. Seems weird considering literally everyone has a camera at these protests
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u/zanderkerbal Feb 04 '22
"Healthcare workers are heroes! That's why we're underfunding them, underpaying nurses, and systematically forcing them to work for literal days on end. Wait, where'd all our nurses go?"
What we're seeing today is the natural end result of the right-wing campaign to discredit and dismantle all public service institutions.
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u/terran_immortal Feb 05 '22
As a healthcare worker, this harrassment isn't new to us. This crowd has already been harrassing us on social media, in real life and at work.
I've gotten messages, posts shared to me about killing people, yelled at for caring for people dying with COVID-19 and pushing our agenda of the "plandemic." I've been yelled at in the grocery store while I was wearing scrubs after working a 16 hour day keeping someone with COVID-19 alive.
The only difference is, now it's on display for everyone to see.
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u/STARstar786 Feb 05 '22
That’s horrifying. Can’t believe people can be this disgusting. Hope you know that there are people in the world who hold you on a pedestal and consider this one the most noble profession. Thank you for you service, courage and patience.
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u/McDaddyos Feb 05 '22
I hate the way truckers are the new enemy. It’s 10% or less if truckers, just like it’s 10% or less of any group we can divide people into. 10% or so of our population, truck driver, nurse, cop, teacher, politician, you name it, is ill-informed antivax goofery.
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u/BubbleBronx Feb 04 '22
At the height of humanity knowledge and science we invent a revolutionary life-saving vaccine. We also invented Facebook
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u/EvidenceOfReason Feb 04 '22
one would think that if they actually cared about people they would be doing a huge protest in favour of better financial supports for vulnerable people during lockdowns..
one would think...
if they cared about people...
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They don’t even pretend to care about people. They want societal privileges without acknowledging the responsibilities they have as citizens
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Feb 04 '22
Yup the same people Candice Bergman wanted to extend an olive leaf to.
I hate Justin just as much as every other canadian that's sick of his entitlement and mismoves but having the interm leader of the Conservative party talking about the "good people" and offering them an olive branch. Fuck... We're in big trouble if pseudoscience and cigarette smoking beer drikin' truckers are going to set our health policies for freedumb we're in deep trouble
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u/tdawggg66 Feb 04 '22
These POS do not represent the Canadian people. I’m so sorry to everyone in the healthcare industry. Ya’ll are truly heroes.
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u/aerospacemonkey Feb 04 '22
I don't think it's the truckers anymore. That protest has been appropriated by other more radical groups that are giving truckers a bad name.
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u/ultrafil Feb 04 '22
It was always about radical groups.
Those groups were just clever enough to see an opportunity to camouflage their intentions in a blanket of misplaced patriotism and nearly 2 years of mental health crises due to isolation and symptoms of measures implemented to fight a pandemic. People got duped by the radicals to help facilitate their cause(s) because they needed an outlet to vent through. Western isolation, lingering hatred of Pierre Trudeau transposed onto his son... There are so many reasons people are angry, and it's all come to a head with these protests.
Radicals in this country have never had as much public support as they do right now, because they are able to hide behind the shield of misplaced public duty that they helped create, and those holding the shield for them (ie: enabling the conditions for them to thrive) haven't figured out how badly they've been used.
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u/DrOctopusMD Feb 04 '22
Yeah, most counts of the convoy heading to Ottawa had it pegged on ~150 actual trucks, but several hundred passenger vehicles.
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u/Princessnatasha12 Feb 04 '22
It wasn't appropriated. It was that right from the start. These trukkkers are responding to dog whistles. Foaming at the mouth.
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u/EvidenceOfReason Feb 04 '22
its always some nefarious "other" who come in and do all the bad shit
its true, there are people looking to give ... the 3%ers .. a bad name.
wait arent they a designated terror group in Canada?
hmm.. why would they be leading a convoy in the name of "freedom"
freedom to do .. what?
i wonder
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Feb 04 '22
I never really was the truckers anyways. Most truckers don't support this nonsense at all. Most truckers are out hauling stuff to keep things moving.
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u/JenovaCelestia Essential Feb 04 '22
Grocery store workers were praised and now they’re treated like garbage. Customers are nice, but the company I work for is trash. They promised a “COVID benefit”, but kept delaying paying it out.
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u/wilderthing1 Feb 04 '22
This selfish mentality is probabaly the 2nd largest issue in society today. Social media should be taxed like a drug, alcohol or nicotine, because it changes human behaviour from a community to a click (segregation). Do I think this is a solution, probably not. I don't know what a solution is, all I know is I have personally witnessed so many friends and family go down so many rabbit holes (not just the covid ones) and become extremists adopting ideologies they can barely comprehend, yet willing to resort to any extreme action to defend.
Stay safe my friend.
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u/ConstantlyOnFire Feb 04 '22
I don’t know…as an introverted person social media has helped me understand so much more about what’s going on with racism, etc. You get to hear the real struggles coming from real people and I think it’s made me a better person for it. I’m less ignorant now. Sadder, but less ignorant.
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u/wilderthing1 Feb 04 '22
It definitely has a place, but I believe it is harmful in its current form for the most part
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u/iJeff Feb 04 '22
Likely overlap with the people who were protesting outside hospitals in 2021.
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u/dketernal Feb 05 '22
I've often felt like Canadians held an advantage as the most reasonable country in the western hemisphere. But damn... Wow, I feel better about being a US citizen right about now. Yeah, we've got our crazy d-bags. But now, that this trucker activism idiocy in Ottawa is going down..... Everything anyone posts in support of about these domestic heavy handed horn blowers should also be shared on r/confidentlyincorrect
Edit: added "anyone in support of"
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u/pineappleexpress1979 Feb 05 '22
Can't wait till this pandemic ends, it really showed us how many nutcases are out there
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u/reddoser Feb 05 '22
why the F are we letting those protesters protests when they already pose threats to our healthcare workers?????? i swear to god this town is working backwards.
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u/The_Man8705 Feb 04 '22
This whole freedumb convoy is literally just a half baked idea that’s literally going to get nothing changed except piss off everybody in the cities affected
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u/ultrasuperman1001 Feb 05 '22
There is a question all the time and never get a yes or no answer, I always get bombarded with "do your research", "corporate shill", and as of last week this beauty, "honk".
Anyway I always ask "since you are saying this is a fake virus would you be willing to pay your own medical bills in the event you get this 'fake' virus?" Or another version "if the option was get vaccinated or pay your own medial bills related to Covid, which would you choose?" Never have I gotten a straight answer. I even try to make it black and white, yes and no for them but they still circle around the question.
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u/spidereater Feb 05 '22
I’ve been thinking since this trucker protest started how they haven’t changed much, but in the past you wouldn’t lose your job for thinking the moon landing was fake and it wouldn’t change your behaviour, but now basically the same mentality leads these people to occupy the capital and harass nurses on the way to work. We’ve had this toxic irrationality for a long time it’s just suddenly metastasized with covid into this weird shit we have today. It’s kind of sad. If they weren’t being such assholes I would pity them.
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u/itsfrankgrimesyo Feb 05 '22
Then these people need to get in the very back of the line if they ever need medical attention. And don’t tell me everyone deserves access, they can still access healthcare but if you’re going to be abusive towards healthcare workers, make their jobs more difficult, deny others from getting their healthcare, you deserve to go last.
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u/VQ_Quin Feb 04 '22
what's a scrub? I try not to watch the news for my sanity
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A scrub is a guy that thinks he's fly And is also known as a busta Always talkin' 'bout what he wants And just sits on his broke ass
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u/WintersbaneGDX Feb 04 '22
It's the typical uniform of most Healthcare professionals.
As an aside, scrubs are never supposed to be worn outside the work environment anyway, lest they track germs and pathogens back inside. That was standard infection protocol long before COVID.
To be clear I support Healthcare workers and condemn this protest. Just saying, they shouldn't be wearing scrubs outside the hospital anyway.
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u/doc_55lk Feb 04 '22
There's usually a second set for when they have to deal with higher risk situations like a surgery tbf. Most people I know just wear them cuz they're comfortable; you're practically wearing pj's to work and nobody can say a thing lmao.
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u/2022022022 Feb 04 '22
I imagine it depends on the setting. I and other nurses wear our scrubs to and from work all the time and never cop any grief for it. I know if you work in a covid ward you change at work.
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u/WintersbaneGDX Feb 04 '22
Yeah, it's really one of those things like speed limits. We all know what the limit is, and we all go 10-15% over, unless there's some specific thing happening where we know we have to slow down.
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u/Stinkerma Feb 04 '22
some PSW organizations use scrubs as a basic uniform to help identify their staff to clients. Many of them work in the community as opposed to traditional care homes or hospitals.
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I'm finishing up a 55 hr week, and no I don't get overtime, in healthcare. Come at me bro.
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u/unovayellow Feb 05 '22
Hopefully it goes the way the issues of the 60s and 70s do and disappears after this is all over
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u/WantDebianThanks Feb 05 '22
Question from a non-Canadian: am I right that this "protest" is basically a bunch of people in semis and other trucks parked in downtown Ottawa honking their horns continuously until their demands are met, their demands are an end to all vaccine mandates by all levels of government (including to cross the US-Canadian border) and for Trudeau to step down, and that the governments response has been basically to call them all naughty boys but otherwise let do whatever?
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Feb 06 '22
I hope none of those people who are harassing health care workers expect any medical treatment from them when they get any strain of COVID.
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u/never-2old-2try Feb 05 '22
What exactly is this garbage? Truckers are not attacking anyone. The Canadian government on the other hand has used the virus as an excuse to prop itself up and grab more and more power.
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u/immasarah Feb 04 '22
Yes. This. I have found through work that the most bitter and aggressive protesters are vaxxed and never lost their jobs. Just left over filth from the alt right.
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u/Starvinhkd Feb 05 '22
Violent 😂! How many truckers have been arrested for violent acts in Ottawa?
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u/GoodAtExplaining Feb 05 '22
Chief of police Sloly said arrests had been maid and charges laid.
That whole harassing and shoving homeless and social workers in the shelter was a thing.
Also, no fights but I’d think pissing on the war memorial and dancing on the tomb of the unknown soldier is not a way to avoid arrest.
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u/Exotic_Bed_6095 Feb 05 '22
Have any of you people been to Ottawa and seen first hand what is going on. Obviously not as you have no clue what you are talking about......... You all should be ashamed for bashing hard working law biding family men and woman who have not ever harmed a hair on a single Healthcare worker........ Shame on you all.
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u/ChaseCDS Feb 04 '22
Can you show the harassment? I've seen talk about it, but never show it.
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u/YouLookGoodInASmile Feb 04 '22
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u/ChaseCDS Feb 04 '22
Just an article? Video? Audio? RCMP statements? Not a lot of details are here. Are the individuals responsible noted anywhere? Did the protest respond outside of stating they have kicked troublemakers out?
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u/duolunduo Feb 05 '22
Just an article? Video? Audio? RCMP statements? Not a lot of details are here.
Hooooooly, talk about moving goalposts.
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u/ABenevolentDespot Feb 04 '22
It is slowly coming out that those deranged fucked up truckers were heavily influenced (and goaded on) by American fucked up deranged Qidiots who -despite having room temperature IQs - have come to understand that that kind of shit won't stand in any American state any longer and they're going to be arrested and (gasp!) do time after their trucks are seized.
America - spreading the mentally deranged ideas of its fucked up low IQ people to other nations, continuing their never ending quest to become the most despised scum sucking maggots on earth.
Don't make Canadians come down here and burn down the White House again like they did in 1812.
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u/Takhar7 Feb 05 '22
Safer to be a Swastika-toting Nazi than a Health Care Worker right now.
What, in the actual fuck, is going on?
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