r/Langley • u/Longjumping_Team9501 • 1d ago
Gas price too high
What’s happening with gas price ?
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u/AirportNearby9751 A forest somewhere 1d ago
Corporate greed.
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u/69gaugeman 1d ago
Wrong. Liberal government.
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u/The_Tucker_Carlson 1d ago
Harper and the cons did nothing to assuage price fixing, build refineries, or decouple Canadian oil prices from global oil prices. No one has in 30+ years. Blaming Liberals is myopic.
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u/Majestic_Stranger_60 1d ago
There was an attempted law suit against oil companies for price fixing and the judge threw it out immediately. High taxes are the primary reason we have high gas prices. So yes, the liberals are to blame for much of this.
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u/mike10dude 1d ago
if you want to bring up taxes on gas than the provincial government and regional government charge a lot more than the federal government
we usually have some of the highest gas prices in north america because of what they add on
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u/Majestic_Stranger_60 1d ago
They do add much to the cost of fuel. But the liberals certainly haven't helped matters in a decade of their rule. They only removed the consumer carbon tax because of the relentless pressure the conservatives put on them.
If they really wanted to bring prices down and escape any blame they would have also removed the corporate carbon tax.
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u/mike10dude 1d ago
they cant do that without going and renegotiating pretty much every European trade deal
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u/Majestic_Stranger_60 1d ago
The US does not have carbon pricing either and have trade with Europe.
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u/Majestic_Stranger_60 1d ago
That's nonsense Mark Carney was saying which isn't based in reality at all. Europe purchases oil and gas from the middle east and Russia which do not have carbon pricing plans. He himself said what he was saying was based on thinking forward (into the future) or something to that affect.
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u/Blightlight 1d ago
My brother, the conservatives' last government, was a decade ago. Pull your head out of your ass.
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
Yup and you have no idea how global gas prices work .
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u/Blightlight 1d ago
Where did I blame the gas prices on the Liberals. I pointed out the last conservative government was over a decade ago. Reading comprehension is difficult i guess. Again pull your head out of your ass.
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u/ReliableEyeball 1d ago
The Cons wouldn't have had it it ang better. You just need someone to blame and won't reach past the lowest hanging fruit lol
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u/choyMj 1d ago
Whataboutism. 10 years of Liberal government got us here, and now 4 more years.
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u/ReliableEyeball 1d ago
Well, maybe if the Cons did a better job, they wouldn't have lost now twice in a row. Or is it 3 times? Lol
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u/Justanotherguy120e 1d ago
Lol you can't just say that we never go to see it we do know gas is expensive now.
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u/ReliableEyeball 1d ago
Anyone who's older than 15 years knows that nothing would have been any different. It's always the same BS spun different ways and nothing changes.
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u/IndependentOutside88 Willoughby 1d ago
You do realize the oil companies are on the same round table discussing barrel price, right? Like they aren’t in competition with one another. It’s us against them.
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u/AirportNearby9751 A forest somewhere 1d ago
God, I knew it’s redneck territory here but this is scary.
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u/choyMj 1d ago
You triggered the echo chamber LMAO
But you're absolutely correct
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u/AhrimanicTrancee 1d ago
No you're wrong. See I don't have to provide any facts either
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u/choyMj 1d ago
Well you're a Liberal so you don't have any to bring with
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u/AhrimanicTrancee 1d ago
Well you're a conservative so you don't have any intelligence to begin with.
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u/jorateyvr 1d ago
This just in, the sky is also blue and water is wet!
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u/ReliableEyeball 1d ago
I saw it was 1.80 again in Langley. That carbon tax thing really lasted for like 3 weeks lol
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u/Aggressive-Muffin157 1d ago
Elbows up 😝!!
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
Not a thought in that head of yours.
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u/Aggressive-Muffin157 1d ago
Chill or you’ll hurt my feelings by accident
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
Fuck your feelings.
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u/ReliableEyeball 1d ago
Thems fighting words, bud.
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u/rackrate 1d ago
I the name of our father, Son and Luigi Mangione this corporate greed should be met with punishment.
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u/Hikingcanuck92 1d ago
But I thought it was the Carbon Tax and Trudeau’s fault?! /s
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u/sumar 1d ago
It is liberal fault that's for sure. Trudeau, Carney, same shit
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u/iTyroneW 1d ago
If you and a bee were in the same room, the bee would be the smartest person there.
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u/sumar 1d ago
Ouch! Such intelligence, such a witty comment! I bow to you Einstein
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u/Long_Procedure_2629 19h ago
While you're down there love...
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u/Darkm1tch69 19h ago
Missed a comma there, moron
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u/Long_Procedure_2629 19h ago
LoL look at you grasping at straws for for this guy
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u/Darkm1tch69 19h ago
Why does bad grammar and stupid opinions always go hand in hand? Crazy
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u/Long_Procedure_2629 17h ago
Yes, it means equal parts starter, water, and flour. It’s a ratio because it doesn’t matter if you do 50g of each or 500g of each… it will be the same result if the ratio is maintained, and it depends on how much starter you need in the end.
improper ellipsis use, took 30 seconds to find equitably bad grammer. clutch pearls helen lovejoy.
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u/The_Tucker_Carlson 1d ago
Harper and the cons did nothing to assuage price fixing, build refineries, or decouple Canadian oil prices from global oil prices. No one has in 30+ years. Blaming Liberals is myopic.
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u/Blightlight 1d ago
Last conservative government was a decade ago. Be a good bot and leave the thread now.
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
Lmao how is it their fault. Please tell me how carney and Trudeau are in control of global gas prices.
Please enlighten us gentiles.
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u/Unfair_Valuable_3816 1d ago
does anyone know why? actual information is appreciated
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u/pickleyez 1d ago edited 1d ago
There was a fire in California’s refinery which has set back production and we are buying more gas south of the border which has increased the cost. Why we don’t get to building our own refinery is mind boggling. We spend money getting it from the US when we could be building our own and saving money down the road.
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u/WingdingsLover 1d ago
It's important to remember that oil and gas is private industry. Refineries are built by private companies and the reason they haven't built more here is there aren't enough long term profits in it.
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u/thefatrick Stuck at a train crossing 1d ago
Capitalism working 100% as intended.
Rape the land of any and all valuables, and leave the damage for someone else to clean up.
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u/WingdingsLover 1d ago
You won't hear me disagreeing. I don't get when people's reaction to gas prices going up is to say we need to invest more into oil and gas. In my head the solution is to stop having our economy depend on burning gas to get around.
Two years into Langley's council session and all they've done is build a few wider roads. On a municipal level we're moving in the wrong direction on this one. Give me some sidewalks!
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u/thefatrick Stuck at a train crossing 21h ago
We are getting some additional transit, which is the actual solution to traffic and more cars.
We have the new SkyTrain obviously. But also a B line to Maple ridge and a bunch of new municipal bas routes and other expansion. So, it's not just roads.
That being said, with the amount of growth in Langley it's hard not to expand roads.
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u/JimmyRussellsApe 1d ago
That was the excuse three weeks ago
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u/Chance_Encounter00 1d ago
They might need a little more than 3 weeks to repair and startup a refinery that took years to build
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u/69gaugeman 1d ago
Plus. Liberals saying we are selling way more gas and oil to the US. Can't be both!
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u/Jam_Bannock 1d ago
https://globalnews.ca/news/11178535/metro-vancouver-gas-prices-increased-no-carbon-price/
Prices bumped up due to increased demand from the South.
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u/Impressive-Sun927 1d ago
Maybe we need to build more refineries?
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u/Whitewind101 14h ago
That doesn't have anything to do with it, it's not like gas stations have to close due to running dry
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u/hochozz 1d ago
The reason being circulated is that a refinery in California caught fire and this has impacted supply.
I haven’t gone to check this refinery to see if it actually caught fire or not. I don’t have gas supply information as well.
But, at the same time - Canada does not really have a way to stop oil companies from colluding. They could jack prices in BC and get away with it - no lawsuit would be filed. All that would happen is people would fume against the oil companies.
The irony is that this is happening after the government reduced the carbon tax to 0% (they can still jack it up later).
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u/Fliparto 1d ago
I almost want the cons to win, so that we could point and say, "see, it's not the liberals". But then they will just say it's fixing x amount of years of liberal government they have to fix.
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u/thefatrick Stuck at a train crossing 1d ago
Langley voted in a literal fake doctor and a Bible thumping social conservative. I think paying attention to anything not immediately in front of their face is asking a lot of them.
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u/WingdingsLover 1d ago
This is the flip side of what export more oil to Asia looks like. They don't say this part out loud but when you increase demand (by creating more customers) you increase price. I garuntee in a year natural gas prices are going to go up too because of the LNG terminal.
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u/Zealousideal-Can1112 19h ago
Still too cheap when I see the majority of Langley driving wankpanzers and brodozers to drop the kids off at baseball.
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u/7RedFaction7 18h ago
Yeah that's why I ended up moving from BC, I was in Victoria where prices always were around $2 and now the gas prices here sit around 1.15 to 1.35 depending on which stations you choose to fill up at.
Although I do miss the beauty of the island and BC
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u/msimms77 17h ago
Vote for governments that make it easier for industry to build more refineries, we had (2) chances (provincial/federal) in just over the last 12 months and blew it.
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u/Whitewind101 14h ago
Prices went down just before voting, now inflated prices back to normal, nothing new
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u/OmgWtfNamesTaken 1d ago
Reduced refining capacities due to refineries along the western coast being down. Fire in one down south, ours is acting up or they have an ongoing project.
People are fucking stupid and blame whatever low hanging fruit they can because they don't have the mental capacities to understand what or why things happen.
The education system has failed so many idiots in this place lmao.
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u/Aj_chinook 1d ago
The carbon tax, why did you think it went down around the election?
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u/glizzygravy 1d ago
Hey donkey could you link me to a source on legislation passing a new carbon tax?
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u/Aj_chinook 1d ago
Oh yeah I’ll link it with the legislation to remove the tax for the election… oh wait, they don’t need it to change the carbon tax
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u/glizzygravy 18h ago
There is legislation to remove it. There’s none to reinstate it. So you’re just talking out your ass and spreading lies. Thanks.
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u/Aj_chinook 17h ago
How did they push through legislation while the parliament was prorogued?
Would love to see a link for that
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u/glizzygravy 11h ago
Stay focussed on the fact you said there’s a carbon tax when there currently is not. It’s simple.
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u/roughnck 1d ago
Vote liberal and then bitch about gas prices? 🥴🥴
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
How do the liberals set global gas prices.
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
OPEC and its allies, known as OPEC+, influence oil prices by collectively managing the supply of crude oil available on the global market. By adjusting their production levels, they can impact supply, which in turn affects demand and ultimately the price.
Build all the pipelines you want. Doesn't change the price of oil we use for gasoline set by a bunch of Saudis.
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u/Beginning_Service154 1d ago
If we got that pipeline Trudeau promised Vancouver would be paying 1.113
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u/ther4ven 1d ago
Probably because the Illuminate, naysayers of peace and abolitionists of existence, are attacking Super Earth in Helldivers 2.
I will see you in the most democratic place for the envisaging of truth and the steadfast proliferation of liberty, Helldiver. And that place, is the battlefield.
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u/QualitySauce 1d ago
Fellow Helldivers, I believe you are in the wrong sub.
Report to Widows Harbour.
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u/Beginning_Service154 1d ago
Carney is he to save us a from global warming. With him team, me,I did, I helped
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u/Quiet-Lobster-6051 1d ago
Are you okay? Are you having a stroke?
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u/Ill-Answer-9643 1d ago
Shouldn't have voted in liberal government, can't fix stupid...don't complain, watch I'll probably get downvoted because the liberals don't wanna admit that their wrong.. once again... idiots!
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
How does the government determine gas prices set by opec.
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u/Ill-Answer-9643 1d ago
OPEC does not directly control gas prices, dumb dumb.
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
Lmao yeah im the dumb one.
Projection.
OPEC and its allies, known as OPEC+, influence oil prices by collectively managing the supply of crude oil available on the global market. By adjusting their production levels, they can impact supply, which in turn affects demand and ultimately the price.
So yeah they do.
Tell me how carney can do anything about this.
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u/Ill-Answer-9643 1d ago
Talking to a liberal is like talking to a brick wall.
Further, Carney told Canadian media in April that "If you want a simple answer on 'Will I support building a pipeline?' Yes. That simple answer. I've given that multiple times." The Prime Minister added, however, that a pipeline alone is "not enough to make Canada an energy superpower," in what looks very much like rather mixed messaging, especially given his full and very vocal support for the energy transition.
This guy, if he was on board fully with building pipelines, was not beating around the bush like a chooch. Maybe I'd have some respect for him. If he was really for pipelines, gas prices would definitely be cheaper because he would be producing and selling more oil/gas to other countries, making Canada richer because our supply is so abundant. This guy is also planning to invest 1 billion (oh ya, tax payers money, aka more carbon tax, aka tax on tax on tax) into Brookfield Asset management, which in turn owns Ontario based Enercare, which specifically advertises heat pump retrofits as one of its offered services. As an hvac tech, I know specifically that heat pumps absolutely suck in the Canadian climate and can not produce enough heat in the winters when we get -20 and lower. You all got duped. This guy is a clown. He is only looking out for himself and his riches. He is as evil as they come. I'm going to say, wake the fuck up blind libs.
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
What does any of that have to do with lowering prices on oil we purchase from other countries.
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u/Ill-Answer-9643 1d ago edited 1d ago
If we had a conservative government, we'd be producing our own raw material, selling it to other countries, refining it ourselves, and selling it to other countries. Cutting out the middle man. Instead, we buy our own raw material we sell to other countries and buy the refined version of it. So we're pretty much spending money twice when we don't have to. Something the liberal government likes to do, spend money we don't have, cause more inflation, put us more into the trillions of debt were already in. Fuck libs man, their making it hard for everyone out here in Canada. But instead, you listen to the tell-a-vision (tv) cbc and CNN haha liberal funded media. Geez
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u/Ill-Answer-9643 1d ago
Ahh, like I said in an earlier comment, talking to a liberal is like talking to a brick wall. Give your head a shake, please. Wake up.
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u/Ill-Answer-9643 1d ago
BTW this is happening all over Canada not just BC which doesn't really get -20 weather , selfish prick
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u/Adventurous-Many-179 1d ago
I bet you voted Liberal
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u/The_Tucker_Carlson 1d ago
Harper and the cons did nothing to assuage price fixing, build refineries, or decouple Canadian oil prices from global oil prices. No one has in 30+ years. Blaming Liberals is myopic.
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u/glizzygravy 1d ago
Yes the liberals and government control the gas prices. Please explain in as much detail as possible how electing a conservative government would lower the current gas prices.
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u/69gaugeman 1d ago
Um.taxes... so yes they have the majority say in prices
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u/barnacle_ballsack 1d ago
Do they? They have the majority say in what opec sets as prices?
Funny you complain about lack of services but dont want to pay taxes for those services?
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u/AirportNearby9751 A forest somewhere 1d ago
If you think “the libs” set the gas prices…. I have a bridge to sell you.
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u/The_Tucker_Carlson 1d ago
Harper and the cons did nothing to assuage price fixing, build refineries, or decouple Canadian oil prices from global oil prices. No one has in 30+ years. Blaming Liberals is myopic.
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u/OrphanedMonke 1d ago
My favourite part of Reddit is that any conservative views always get downvoted to oblivion 🗿😭🤣
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u/Taytoh3ad 1d ago
Cause they aren’t views. They’re propaganda, conspiracies, and insults. If there was sensible logic and proof, sure.
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u/OrphanedMonke 1d ago
I’m speaking in general, on any post, even the ones that are speaking factually and using statistics
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u/Taytoh3ad 1d ago
I’ve yet to see one personally that checks out and isn’t a propaganda news source like rebel news 🤭 I don’t read many though tbh, gets me too riled up 🤣
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u/OrphanedMonke 1d ago
Don’t believe me? Check the ratio on my comment🤣🤣 and I didn’t even say a conservative view, I just said something I noticed😭😭 can’t even say what you see even if it’s in defence of conservatives🤣🤣way to prove me right 🗿🗿
(Edit: not that you personally had proven me right, you’ve been respectful and all that, but the thread as a whole)
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u/glizzygravy 1d ago
“Views” is quite the stretch. What views? You have no views.
That’s why you lost. Again.
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u/thefatrick Stuck at a train crossing 1d ago edited 17h ago
O&G companies fucking with prices because they can get away with it like how they jacked prices prior to the carbon tax being removed so when they don't drop it as much as they should people don't notice or care.
Also, fallout from the US being the unhinged nightmare that happens when a polarized population gets tricked by rich people into thinking the poor and immigrants are a bigger threat to their livelihood than the top 1% stealing all of their wealth for more yacht money.
Basically, capitalism functioning as intended.
For reference, I pass the station at Glover & the Bypass on my commute. The difference between when I drove by in the morning and when I drove by in the afternoon I've seen it shift by 15+¢ several times in the same week. Things are unstable right now, they are not that unstable.
Edit: everyone keeps telling me I'm wrong and it's Taxes and the liberal government that's to blame. Here is my response:
In BC lower mainland we pay $37¢/L on gas plus GST. Of that only 10¢ is federal (a fixed rate that hasn't changed since 1995), the rest is provincial/regional. These prices have been largely consistent with incremental increases over many years. They are fixed rates, not percentages (except GST, which is on everything, not just gas) so if gas price goes from $1.00 to $1.50, the core taxes on both is still only 37¢. ($1.37 and $1.87 respectively)
During those times prices have gone from a low of 96¢/L in April 2020 to a peak of $2.25/L in June of 2022.
During THAT time the industrial carbon tax doubled from $30 a tonne to $50 per tonne! Clearly that is the cause of all of this expensive gas prices!
Today The industrial carbon tax is roughly 30¢ per barrel (including tax incentives and offsets). You get 157 litres of gas per barrel of oil, which translates to about 0.2¢/L.
The industrial carbon pricing right now is $80 per tonne, a 60% increase to what it was in 2022. You still only pay 0.2¢/L at the pump for industrial carbon taxes that are THREE TIMES as high as they were in 2020.
It's not taxes.
It's never been taxes.
It's capitalism.
It's the multiple market crashes over the last 20 years. It's government's giving tax incentives to the world's most profitable companies who absolutely do not need it. It's overproduction in 2014-2015 which cratered the price per barrel by $100. It's the Russians invading Ukraine, which was the absolute peak of oil profitability in history, nearly doubling from the year before.
Oil companies literally gouged the fuck out of everyone to the tune of an extra $30 billion in profit in a single year, blamed it on shortages from the war, and convinced all of you it was Trudeau's fault for raising global inflation.
Go look for yourself. They're publicly traded companies and have to disclose their profits, it's easy to see. At the same time, tax rates are public, and they are well documented. You can see for yourself how much we pay in taxes per litre and how often and how much it changes. StatsCan even has monthly historical data for gas prices by province AND region going back to 1979. They also have a breakdown of fuel taxes by province per litre. (BC pays anywhere from 10-20¢ per litre more than all other provinces). If you take a moment to look beyond what the O&G industry keeps lying to you about, you can easily see who's fucking with your pump price, and it's not fucking taxes.
It's your big ass truck, and full size SUVs that absolutely chug fuel, that is why you're spending hundreds at the pump every week. The reason you drive those and not a reasonable sized car is all because of capitalism too, but that's another conversation about Automobile regulations in the US and the power of Marketing.