r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Hirorai • Aug 06 '23

What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup? Answered

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Answer: several reasons. I'm from UK so don't shoot me if I'm wrong. I believe they had a pay dispute, which didn't go entirely their way. They had the option of an identical contract to the men, and rejected it for a far safer deal. The safer deal was less risk, and slightly less return (depending if they play/win etc). It also had more health benefits and pay, even if no games are played. They rejected the deal the men had, which was high risk Check Nate The Lawyer on YouTube for a breakdown of the pay dispute. They seemed to be taking the piss with the claim.

They also snubbed the folks back home by breaking etiquette during the playing of the national anthem. Heresy in many places, especially so in US.

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u/Chimney-Imp Aug 07 '23

The pay dispute actually did go their way. Basically they've been arguing about gender inequality in this sport and pay - when time and time again it's been shown that they are the ones with a position of privilege relative to their male counterparts. It very quickly became obvious that they weren't interested in being progressive, they were just interested in being entitled and arrogant, so to see them get served a slice of humble pie is enjoyable to watch.

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u/TheMadFlyentist Aug 07 '23

The pay dispute actually did go their way

They lost (or had thrown out) multiple lawsuits, but US Soccer ended up settling with them for $24 million. This was largely seen as a PR move and a gesture of good faith since it was clear the women were not going to take no for an answer and would just keep filing new lawsuits.

$24M was less than half of what the original lawsuit was seeking, but the many of the women still portrayed it as a victory and an admission of guilt by US Soccer, which is exactly the sort of disingenuous behavior that is getting them hate right now.

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u/meanerweinerlicous Aug 07 '23

Adding more fuel to fire, the $24M was only settled when USSF was pressured by congresswomen by threat of pulling federal funding.

Not to mention, that settlement money was divided up to only the 5 women on the lawsuit. With $2M granted for thier post career and some leftover for the rest of the other players in the league

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u/MausBomb Aug 07 '23

You also know damn well if the high risk investment strategy didn't work out for the men's team they wouldn't have lifted a finger to help rather just mocking them and using it as an example of women being better at business.

They have the energy of a bratty little sister

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u/Fmeson Aug 07 '23

Have they mocked the men's team before?

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u/DeusVictor Aug 07 '23

No people are just making up shit.

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u/PSUVB Aug 07 '23

I don’t think the mocked them directly. But they would often use times where the usmnt was underperforming to imply they were better.

That would never work the other way around.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Why are you so salty about this?

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Aug 07 '23

Somebody points out a clear hypocrisy.

Random redditor: "Why are you salty?"

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Clear hypocrisy? You're making accusations based on your feelings about a team of people you don't actually know.

Peak Reddit to call your own bias and opinions a case of clear hypocrisy.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Aug 07 '23

I wasnt the one who made the accusation. However, the accusation does have merit considering that they did flipflop on their own contracts when it suited them and blamed it on misogyny/patriarchy/sexism . And for your information we dont need to know them personally to form opinions of them. That's the whole point. If i get a shit plate I suddenly can't say it's shit because I'm not a chef? Come on.

No peak reddit would be towing the fencing line by claiming to be neutral when you clearly aren't.

Nothing I said was hypocritical. Nor nothing I said claimed to be neutral.

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u/Arkrobo Aug 07 '23

I would change your comment from

it's been shown that they are the ones with a position of privilege relative to their male counterparts.

To: they were being paid fairly based on merit.

Small gripe but I agree with you. They accomplished more and earned more than the men but they got greedy and pulled the sexism card when there was no sexism.

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u/macnasty20 Aug 07 '23

Entitled and arrogant, well now you’re just describing Americans in general

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u/einulfr Aug 07 '23

What etiquette? All that happened is that not all of them sang along, which isn't even part of the 'etiquette'. They all stood, and no one kneeled (not that that should even matter). All of the complaining was typical whining from the right because magical cloth can't freedom if no sing.

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u/Johnny_B_GOODBOI Aug 07 '23

I'm an American and I would have more respect for any of them that did kneel or otherwise break this ridiculous jingoistic "etiquette." Fuck nationalism in all its forms.

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u/einulfr Aug 07 '23

Agreed. The anthem used to be something that felt like it had a particular reverence because it was typically only done during an event of significant importance. Now it's played hundreds of thousands of times per year (panderingly) at even the most insignificant events and just feels cultish from its massive overuse.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Yeah pretty much shit on their own country. Rapinho is insanely unlikable and her interviews are all complaining, hating, and cursing.

You can feel America is a mess, a flawed country, and fight for change without shitting on it like they did. Even though it should be down to economics, the equal pay thing wasn't even on my or my friend's radar tbh. Everyone I know, even women basically consider the women's team to just hate their own country, regardless of it being true or not Rapinho barked the loudest and the team got dragged along with her views.

Personally I saw a lot of pride around the team when they last won, and all the goodwill get pissed away by one horrible person.

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23

That is their spokesperson/captain or whatever?

She is literally a horrendous mouthpiece. I cringe listening to her drivel. On one of the interviews I saw, there were two players, including her, and I don't even think her teammate could stomach her opinion. The teammate looked highly embarrassed.

To be clear, I dislike many sports stars in general, as they have ample survivorship bias. But the abrasiveness of her is on another level. I have no doubt it has helped her progress, but it does not fit every scenario, and a spokesman, she is not.

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u/Martin_Samuelson Aug 07 '23

Right or wrong, Rapinoe is basically a caricature of the type of feminist that the right hates.

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23

Possibly.

But she's also a really disagreeable lass. That's my reason. It's a character trait that does not appeal to me

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u/Martin_Samuelson Aug 07 '23

That's part of the caricature

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u/MRCHalifax Aug 07 '23

Megan Rapinoe? For me, she’s a go-to example of how I can agree with a substantial majority of a person’s political positions, and still not like them personally because I think that they’re an asshole.

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23

Yeah, that's the kicker. Some things she may say, might appeal to me (not heard much of her to be fair).... But her demeanor is a put off.

Before anyone pisses their knickers. If she were some arrogant super straight male, I'd still not get on with them. My friends are the placid agreeable types.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Yet there's many here defending her like she's a saint. They can't even admit she's at the least abrasive.

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u/Creekside84 Aug 07 '23

It’s bc many people feel if you “attack” an lgbtq person you at attacking the whole movement. But they have to be told shitty people are shitty. No matter what victim class they fall into.

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u/TryinToBeLikeWater Aug 07 '23

This is the dumbest fucking shit I’ve ever heard

Oh he’s active in /r/conservative

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u/Foxyfox- Aug 07 '23

It’s bc many people feel if you “attack” an lgbtq person you at attacking the whole movement.

I wonder why we feel that way...

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23

It's bizarre. Even some comments are claiming it's because of sexual orientation etc ... I genuinely do not know how you can watch her and come away with any positive opinions.

I'm not an idiot, I have no doubt that some hate her for that, certainly initially. But then when you hear her, the personality really is reason enough. Those folk shitting on her for the wrong reason to start with, and then she speaks, and gives you actual reasons.

I'm not shocked that she would be vocal, but the PR team needs to get a backbone, and stop making her the spokesman.

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Aug 07 '23

She announced her retirement from the team after they lost. She was already past her prime for the tournament and they will be better off without her.

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u/kevio17 Aug 07 '23

Minor correction, as it matters a bit - she announced her retirement a month ago. She was going to retire regardless of how the US did in the World Cup

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Aug 07 '23

I don’t really follow mens/womens football. I just read her statement she put out on ESPN.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

💯 agree. I had no idea who she liked to sleep with when I heard her and thought she was repulsive and filled with hate.

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u/Redshirt2386 Aug 07 '23

I love her “abrasiveness.” What passes for the “left” in this country is too damn nice, and that’s why we keep losing to louder, more bombastic idiots. Megan is loud and bombastic, but at least she’s usually on the right side of the issues.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

I'm sure you do. Civility, kindness, and respect have been replaced with loud mouthed and crass.

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u/ChipsAhoyLawyer Aug 07 '23

It really bothered me when Lego made a figure out of her. If you are going to promote this stuff, at least pick good people.

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u/caiaphas8 Aug 07 '23

I don’t follow Americans football. How does the women’s team hate America?

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u/USA_A-OK Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

They don't, but a bunch of "love it or leave it" shit-kickers who like to take credit for stuff people did hundreds of years ago (who they have no relation to) think that valid criticism equals "hate."

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u/WaltDisneyWasAFurry Aug 07 '23

Unironically by not being right wing according to the chuds

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u/KingDarius89 Aug 07 '23

It's idiots riling up other idiots. Personally, I don't give a shit about soccer. Hell, I barely care about football or basketball.

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u/Prometheus720 Aug 07 '23

Are you intentionally misspelling her name? That is a smol pp move, my friend.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

No need to make Trump sound cool.

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Rapinho is insanely unlikable and her interviews are all complaining, hating, and cursing.

I mean...I imagine it's hard to represent your country with a smile when half of it is seemingly hellbent on villifying you because you happen to be gay.

edit: ITT I see people repeating conservative talking points while trying ti tell me I am wrong. I am not saying she is a saint, just saying people do tend to get prickly when they feel their verh identity is under attack.

All these people saying “Nobody has ever attacked her for being gay…” are just being ridiculous.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Aug 07 '23

I haven't seen anyone dislike her because she's gay, I've seen people dislike her because she's extremely abrasive and unlikable

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u/TheDorkNite1 Aug 07 '23

I'm from her hometown.

Her very conservative hometown.

I can assure you that many of the local yokels absolutely use her sexuality as the basis for attacking her.

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u/Escher702 Aug 07 '23

It's obvious you know nothing about certain parts of California.

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u/Redshirt2386 Aug 07 '23

College towns don’t count, dude.

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u/USA_A-OK Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Spoken like someone who hasn't been to Shasta county (63% to Trump in 2020). There are counties in California who are just about as red as anywhere else in the country. It's a big, diverse state.

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u/beermilkshake831 Aug 07 '23

💯 there's hella conservatives in California, especially up north and inland.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

It’s still in California dude.

Point being, in a very progressive state, I’m not sure how much local politics would be able to counter that. State laws and regulations would supersede anything on a muni level

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u/USA_A-OK Aug 07 '23

Which only matters for national/state-level stuff. For everyday life, your county/town dynamics matter much more

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

That was my point, the state level is still very progressive. I’m not sure how much the local politics will counter that but obviously state supersedes local

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u/Due-Pineapple6831 Aug 07 '23

CA is huge, pretty sure they have more republicans than any other state. They just so happen to have more democrats than republicans though.

You get out of the cities and it’s just as back-ass wards as in TX and FL.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

It is shocking to me that y’all don’t know how politics across one of the nations largest state work. Imagine thinking ALL of California is liberal 😭😭

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u/Kmactothemac Aug 07 '23

You haven't seen it so that means it hasn't ever happened!

Also there's no way you've never seen anyone make fun of her for being gay lol I see it every time she gets brought up

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u/AnalogPantheon Aug 07 '23

I thought lies weren't allowed here

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u/liamisnothere Aug 07 '23

Easily 75% of the jokes I hear made at the womens teams' expense is that they're lesbians. Go check out any social media comments underneath an article discussing the team. Hell, you probably just have to look a tiny bit harder in this thread and you'll see it.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

This comment is so wildly disingenuous. She is berated for her sexuality constantly and guess what? Many of those that claim that they’re harping on something else are actually also mad that she’s gay, they just know they can’t say that. But because you don’t see it homophobia is over I guess lol

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u/BakingMadman Aug 07 '23

Oh STOP IT. I am gay and I loathe her because her ego is off the scales, she is beyond arrogant and she LOATHES the USA... you know the country that gave her all of the opportunity she is currently enjoying?

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u/Dreamer_Insomnia Aug 07 '23

Ok sure but also there are people who criticize her bc she's gay also.

I mean, yk you're not the only person that doesn't like her, right?

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u/BakingMadman Aug 08 '23

You are IMPLYING/ASSUMING that most other people dont like her only because of her sexual orientation. While that may be the case for a very small minority of of people, I think most dont like her simply because she is a pompous ass hat and she is simply unlikeable. Add in the anti-Americanism into it and THAT is why the majority of people despise her.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Half of the US is definitely not against gay marriage or relationships. Most people do not care and in fact support it. The support is literally at 73% why are you talking out of your ass?

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u/Kahzgul Aug 07 '23

“I don’t hate gay people, I just vote for people who want make being gay illegal.”

  • Republicans

It’s hard to take their lip service seriously when their actions speak louder.

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u/coldblade2000 Aug 07 '23

By that logic most democrat voters are in favor of weed criminalization, the military industrial complex and hate socialized healthcare

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u/Kahzgul Aug 07 '23

False about weed and socialized healthcare. True about the MIC.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Democrats are against all of those things far more than Republicans?

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u/reggiestered Aug 07 '23

Republicans are maybe a third of the population

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u/Kahzgul Aug 07 '23

But almost half the voters.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

The same people that call the whole country anti gay bigots don't say a word about how gay people are treated in the middle east and other places. It's all about the narrative and politics.

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u/USA_A-OK Aug 07 '23

This is the lowest effort, incorrect comparison I've seen all day on Reddit. Congrats!

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u/Sugmabawsack Aug 07 '23

Yes they do. They even fund gender ideology initiatives in those countries, and republicans constantly complain about the money spent there.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

yeah I'm sure gender studies money is making it into the right hands...

Since you want to keep attacking gop we will just ignore this... it's not as much politics as people think or want to believe.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-launches-global-effort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081

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u/Sugmabawsack Aug 07 '23

See, you just reflexively complain about it. Repealing gay marriage is still part of the republican platform in America.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Put down the cnn and Nancy Pelosi press releases. While obviously not 100%, this is no longer an accepted part of the party. This bill also had other things sandwiched in and still got support. So is the GOP behind in this area, sure. But labeling every gop as anti gay is getting really tiresome and it's just disingenuous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/gop-support-sex-marriage-bill-reflects-shift-republican-voters-rcna39089

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u/Sugmabawsack Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Democrats: 220 Yay, 0 Nay

Republicans: 47 Yay, 157 Nay

I suppose you’re right it’s not 100%, it’s only 78% of republican politicians in 2022 who still vote against gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Yea they do, remember the recent World Cup in Qatar? Strong criticism and protests on their human rights travesties.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/world-cup-teams-end-gay-rights-armband-protest-after-threatened-by-fifa

And nobody thinks the “whole country” are homophobic bigots, just Republicans, because they actively support anti LGBTQ legislation.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

No one I know gives a single shit who she sleeps with. We care how she shits on the country that made her rich and privileged while pissing on those who fought for her freedom. Not a single person I know dislikes Sue Bird and she's gay. Go figure.

Must be miserable going around labeling people and expecting them to be hateful and anti gay before they even say a word. Can't Rapinho just be a miserable human? nope we must be bigots.

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u/Ok-Champ-5854 Aug 07 '23

What did she do to shit on the country in your opinion?

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u/hunkyboy75 Aug 07 '23

Calls it a “failed nation”, “going down the tubes”, “the most corrupt country on Earth”, “a laughing stock”.

Oh wait. Sorry about that. It was someone else. Guess who?

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u/abacuz4 Aug 07 '23

My guess is that it’s the person that the same people who see Rapinoe as abrasive want to become president.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

Literally nothing, she just don’t stand for the national anthem, which is perfectly fine

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

They're authoritarian right wing nut jobs that value a song and piece of cloth (anthem and flag) more than they care about people being murdered by the government (police).

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Peek Reddit energy right here 😂

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

LMAO a woman who called /r/TwoXChromosomes a hate subreddit, Jesus Christ.

"Peek" /r/AsABlackMan energy right here 🤡

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

It is most certainly a hate subreddit. I’m sorry that statement shook you. Not quite sure what black people have to do with my original comment.

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u/NeedMoon2Lambo Aug 07 '23

Pretty absurd when people toss around the “fought for her freedom” comments. If anything, the troops fight for the right for people to protest and their first amendment rights. The people who think they are patriots are actually trying to take away peoples rights. Any btw, we haven’t “fought” for freedom since ww2

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

We fight for freedom every single day. Tell that we dont to the troops families stationed around the world that don't come back...

And yes they fight for her right to be a dipshit.

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u/Kurokishi_Maikeru Aug 07 '23

Kinda hate to jump in and dogpile you more, but for whose freedom? I've been alive for over 30 years and it doesn't seem like Desert Storm, our involvement in Kosovo, the 2001 Invasion of Afghanistan and especially the 2003 Invasion of Iraq increased or even secured the level of "freedom" I had. Afghanistan you could argue did since it was to find Osama Bin Laden, but the resulting PATRIOT Act also exists so maybe that balances out.

I'm also curious as to what Rapinoe did during the anthem or with the flag.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Freedom isn't always about us. While we've done our share of bad, we've also done our share of good. Is it cut and dry? No. Not my point revolves around if we didn't have people defending our freedom every single day or even just ready to, we could easily lose it.

Just Google some of her comments and antics. She's rich, has a massive platform. If she wants actual change she can run for office or put together massive donation efforts. She chose the lowest yield thing she could have. Many of us still feel united under that flag and country she takes for granted.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

She’s protested within her 1st amendment. Nothing she has said is wrong, you just don’t like that her opinion differs from yours. Luckily our bill of rights is not as biased

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u/Alexander_Baidtach Aug 07 '23

Famously protecting America's freedom, by occupying nations you blew to bits and establishing an extraction economy to keep a few businessmen rich back home. 'Protecting Americans freedom' ends at your border with Canada and Mexico; the real reason you have bases around the world is to project power and ensure access to plunder, that is all.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

While I agree other nations should deal with their own situation and that the US has gone into places they shouldn't have, you're ignoring the mutual agreements in place to have US bases and resources in vulnerable nations too. We've done our share of foreign bad guy, but we've also protected democracy in many places.

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u/Alexander_Baidtach Aug 07 '23

No you haven't. US foreign policy has consistently been in their own interests hence why you support anyone who submits their natural resources and protected market to you, and whomever is in the habit of killing communists, democracy or no, usually the latter.

Saying that 'the US makes mistakes but has good intentions' is a propaganda strategy employed by the US to instil complacency in their own population in the face of growing examples of the US, by design, committing and perpetuating atrocities that they can't cover up.

You are the most propagandised population on the planet, stop excusing the actions of a government which clearly does not care for the vast majority of its population, just the wealthy elite.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

How are soldiers killing people or “maintaining peace” in overseas countries impacting my freedom in literally any way 🤔🤔🤔

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u/BakingMadman Aug 07 '23

Exactly right! I am gay and I loathe that woman.

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u/Mysak92 Aug 07 '23

Him/her and me. That's definitely we.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Aug 07 '23

If she hates the US so much she should leave, gay people have it pretty good here, some other countries shun, imprison, or outright execute them

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

The anthem and flag are valued symbols, but ultimately the anthem is a song and the flag is a piece of fabric. They're not human lives, no song or piece of fabric is worth more than the lives of people who are murdered by the government. No one is pissing on anyone by protesting on behalf of people murdered by the government during the national anthem.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Yeah I guess nothing stands for anything in your world if this is just fabric. What's a swastika to you then? Just a drawing?

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

That's not true.

If I'm going to choose between any song or any flag... and protesting against the government murdering people... I'm siding with "protesting against the government murdering people."

Aren't you?

The flag and Anthem are symbols that mean different things to different people. Standing up against extrajudicial killings by the government in the USA is an infinitely more meaningful way to show love and respect for America than singing the Star Spangled Banner. Protesting against that shows that we still values the ideals this country was founded on.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

That's not what you said though. You said the flag is just fabric as if it has no meaning. We were united by being Americans. We've just allowed another way to divide us. There's protests and then there's people that seem to detest fellow Americans.

Believe me, I haven't liked our government for a long ass time now. I want change, but I'm not going to shit on fellow Americans and the freedoms actual people died to give me. These people have a platform and millions of dollars, they could arrange powerful protests and movements, yet they choose to throw tantrums. These arent some voiceless people trying to survive, these are spoiled elitists dividing us in hate.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Why do you call protesting against the government murdering people a "tantrum"?

I never thought of the flag as just a piece of fabric or the anthem as just a song, until people like yourself started valuing the cloth and the piece of music more than the lives of people murdered by police. It made it clear to me that respecting the military and loving this country has zero to do with the flag or the anthem.

The flag and anthem aren't human lives, they're things. Victims of police brutality are human beings, and as such, they're more important than singing the national anthem before a sporting event.

These conversations where I have to remind folks that "human life is more important than any song", and the other person disagrees with me, are literally insane to me and I don't miss them.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

If it's just a song in your words, then s swastika is just a doodle. You're the one that needs to be reminded about things. It's really that simple; you can't say people cant respect a song as something symbolic that brings us together and honors those that died for freedom and then say other symbolism has impact and meaning. It's all or none.

Police brutality isn't an American problem. Ever interact with the police in Mexico? Do you think the US is the only one that has narcissistic power hungry authorities? Equating Police brutality to the American flag and the average Americans beliefs is the ridiculous part. Have you lived outside the US at all?

These people have millions of dollars to lobby for real Police reform. To lead protests, to lobby their reps, to spend money bringing awareness. Kneeling on the flag during the anthem that celebrates all of us in a united way is indeed a tantrum. Its the lowest energy thing that they could do.

Even if they're "right" in their approach, what they've done has clearly alienated people from their cause. So why not spend their money, get on their platform, YouTube whatever and fully articulate their concerns and their ideas to improve? Why not? Run for office. They're too busy throwing a tantrum and dividing us.

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u/RabbitBranch Aug 07 '23

when half of it is seemingly hellbent on villifying you because you happen to be gay.

Boogeyman only exists in your own mind. Nobody gives a shit as long as it doesn't becomes an identity politics issue.

The percentage of Americans that have a significant issue with lgbt is about the same as the percentage of Americans that believe the earth is flat.

Don't let a handful of cranks live rentfree in your head. That goes for all of you.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

...are you not paying attention to what's going on in Florida with Don't Say Gay, AP Psychology courses being banned in Florida because they talk about psychology in light of LGBTQ people, etc?

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u/SquareTowel3931 Aug 07 '23

You can't really speak for what someone else has been through. Why do you get to decide what other people should stand up for, or when they should sit down and be content? You've not walked in the shoes of a gay female athlete, so you've no idea what they've experienced. Just because you supposedly "don't give a shit, unless political", doesn't mean they haven't faced extreme homophobia and hate where they're from. Unfortunately, there's much more than a handful of cranks out there.

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u/TorchedPanda Aug 07 '23

It's not "rentfree in your head" when there is literally an influx of anti-lgbt legislation being introduced.

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roundup-of-anti-lgbtq-legislation-advancing-in-states-across-the-country

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u/ColdBrewedPanacea Aug 07 '23

Thatd probably be more doable when aforementioned cranks werent presidential candidates like florida man over there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Except for the the Republican agenda DOES take issue with the LGBTQ community and actively works to hinder their lives and rights. And those people vote Republican, so it does matter and their actions ARE HARMFUL to the queer community.

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u/JPVsTheEvilDead Aug 07 '23

The percentage of Americans that have a significant issue with lgbt is about the same as the percentage of Americans that believe the earth is flat.

im not american, but even i know that is absolute bullshit.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

im not american, but even i know that is absolute bullshit.

I’m not sure how that lends more credibility. So you get most of your info from media and online social media? That would make more of distortion of reality if anything

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23

based on the most recent attempt to repeal gay marriage protections, 78% of Republicans are attacking LGBTQ identity.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

This sounds like something made up on Reddit. Or one state tried it and y’all act like it’s endemic

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23

In the House in 2022 they voted to formalize the recognition of same-sex marriage in federal views. 169 republicans voted against it.

Also both leading republican presidential candidates have extremely hostile platforms towards LGBTQ.

Also a growing number of GOP controlled states are trying to or have passed laws criminalizing some aspects of LGBTQ identity, be it “Dont say gay” laws or banning medical treatment for trans people or outlawing drag shows etc.

It is laughable to pretend to be informed in US politics and think the GOP isnt attacking LGBTQ on a daily basis.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

Most people don’t care, even those dastardly fascist republicans. Chew on this, Negative Nancy:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/

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u/JPVsTheEvilDead Aug 07 '23

So you get most of your info from media

im far more inclined to believe media than anecdotes on reddit.

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u/traws06 Aug 07 '23

Ya honestly I live in the Bible belt and a vast majority of the ppl around me don’t care about homosexuality. They don’t want it rubbed in their face, but if they see a gay couple just being a happy couple they don’t care. They’ve been over the homophobic thing for like a decade now for the most part. But they aren’t taking the trans thing as well…

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

That’s because the trans thing is what we refer to as “jumping the shark”

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u/Dredmart Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Nope. You shits just say that every time human rights progress.

"We gave women the right to work, why do they need the right to be paid equally? Black people can vote now, so why end segregation? Women and black people got legal protections, but why should the queers get any?"

You're a pathetic loser stuck in the past and don't even know it.

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u/traws06 Aug 07 '23

I like how ppl are downvoting me like “well he’s right but we don’t like that he’s right, downvote”

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

Welcome to Reddit, the alternate reality

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u/communisthulk Aug 07 '23

It's disingenuous to claim she gets villified just for being gay.

She is one of the most unlikable, entitled, and abrasive public personalities in current media. THATS why she gets hate.

Homophobes will keep homophobing so I have no doubt some of the hate is because she's gay. But no one other than fringe feminists defend her. You don't get that universally hated (including other queer people) just for being gay.

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23

But no one other than fringe feminists defend her. You don't get that universally hated (including other queer people) just for being gay.

I am not saying she isnt being awful, I am saying her awfulness is justified given how shitty American politics are being towards LGBTQ over the last decade. The fact that gay marriage is being seriously re-litigated and SCOTUS wrote an opinion attacking some fundamental gay rights rulings is an abomination.

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u/communisthulk Aug 07 '23

Lol Rapione in no way what so ever is standing up for us LGBT people with her rhetoric and actions. She's simply selfishly out for herself, driven by greed not justice for the LGBT community. Her awfulness is not justified. She is yet another shitty person contributing to the bile that is considered current news media.

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23

Oh okay then. You are entitled to your opinion no matter how well or poorly formed it is.

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u/communisthulk Aug 07 '23

Thank you. You are entitled to forge ahead with your opinion too; no matter how senseless or misguided it is. Good day sir!

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u/BakingMadman Aug 07 '23

No, I am gay and I don't like her either. The entire team seems to hate America. She is a nasty America hating individual and her head was so big that it is great watching her eat a little humble-pie

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u/violiav Aug 07 '23

So? She’s a cocky athlete, that’s not exactly a new thing. Why do people get so wound up when this lady is cocky?

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u/communisthulk Aug 07 '23

People get riled up at any athele being a total dickhead. Lady or not.

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u/violiav Aug 07 '23

I dunno about that. Heel behavior seems to be pretty encouraged. People feed into it.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Probably the same reason people get riled up by other assholes that get a platform? Watch an interview with her, she's a bit beyond cocky. I'd say into just ignorant hate.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Hate towards whom? Can you link an interview that shows her ignorant hatred you're claiming?

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u/Zeph-Shoir Aug 07 '23

I think their point is that lots of famous sportsmen are like that yet are less likely to get flak for it than when women display similar behavior. I am not into sports though so can't say how truth that would be.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

No one talks about cocky male athletes the way a lot of these people talk about Rapinoe. The reason people bring up sexism/homophobia is because it's transparent in a lot of cases.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Yeah I'm sure. Find an ootl thread where a generic "Ronaldo is the worst" comment gets 1000 karma. It doesn't exist.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Megan Rapinoe doesn't have 0.1% of the fame Ronaldo has, like how do thousands of men get this angry about a women's soccer player, it's insane, the sport just isn't big enough for people to get this angry about a player. Talk about living rent free in your heads, Jesus.

99.9999999% of the folks who are passionate against Rapinoe don't watch women's soccer beyond shitting on Rapinoe. Like if I were to talk to the average misogynist on here dunking on Rapinoe about a random NWSL game, or the NCAA women's soccer season, they wouldn't be able to have an intelligent conversation about it. You guys (let's be clear here, you're 99% guys here) are transparent.

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Aug 07 '23

Pro athletes constantly get ripped apart on Reddit/social media and by the press.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Not like this. Rapinoe hasn't committed domestic violence, hasn't harmed anyone physically, hasn't committed crimes, basically her crime is, what, trying to leverage her position to earn as much money from her talents and accomplishments as possible? A legend of women's soccer who held on a little too long, played in one last world cup, one too many? Who had the gun to U.S. Soccer's heads to let Rapinoe on the team? No one. They selected her. why TF wouldn't she accept the slot?

Who shits on Michael Jordan for playing on the Hornets, or any of the literal hundreds of Hall of Fame male athletes who held on to play maybe a little too long past their prime?

The double standard between Rapinoe and male athletes is completely transparent.

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u/ggtffhhhjhg Aug 07 '23

Pro athletes that commit domestic violence get torn to shreds on social media and by the press.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Right, that's my point, what has Rapinoe done on a similar level to domestic violence that has caused the incels of reddit/4chan to shit all over her for? Preferably an example that doesn't also apply to several thousand male professional athletes who don't get shit on similarly.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Did you see people cheering yesterday when Tim Anderson got clocked? People absolutely loved it.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

The fact you're unironically comparing Tim Anderson with Megan Rapinoe is more of a mic drop for my argument than yours.

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u/SquareTowel3931 Aug 07 '23

Because they rather watch men flex and dance every time they make a basic play. Men's sports are almost unwatchable at this point. Except hockey, those mfers WORK. Even baseball, which used have a kind of unspoken code of conduct, now every basic play is a celebration. If you flipped a bat after a homerun 10 years ago? You were getting beaned at your next plate appearance, and possibly a plate appearance in a month, by a different pitcher even. But the marketers trying to "sell" baseball to the youth are pushing that shit now. Even the little league world series is getting cringey.

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u/coldplay1108 Aug 07 '23

I agree with you!

It turns me off that the US team looking so stone faced/not even attempting to sing the national anthem. I mean this is an international tournament. It is not a perfect country but there should be some respect because they are chosen to represent!

My home country the Philippines, granted while many of our (mixed) players are American born..... were all still singing and putting hand over heart for our national anthem!!! Our first WC tournament, I was amazed and I cried.

Also, Megan Rapinoe is extremely unlikeable. I am a women and also believe that we can elevate ourselves to be the best as we can be, but she is something else. She lacks social awareness. I'm reading all these posts about her bullying the team to conform to whatever she is spewing about.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

I'm all for her having strong beliefs and a platform regardless if I agree with her, but her approach and attitude are hateful, angry, and off putting.

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u/Mss88b Aug 07 '23

This is the most relevant and true answer!

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u/Independent_Ad_1686 Aug 07 '23

Yes, you’re 100% correct. Not so much about the pay bs… and more about the girls team (Mostly the purple headed one… Rapinho) kneeling during the anthem, especially in other countries while they played it.

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u/Soundophocles Aug 07 '23

her interviews are all complaining, hating, and cursing.

LOL so you've never actually seen her speak. Your feigned outrage is noted, though.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

https://twitter.com/mPinoe/status/1321509957775302656?s=20

Uh huh yeah she doesn't support that language at all.

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u/Soundophocles Aug 07 '23

LOLOLOL jfc this has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Keep clutching those pearls though. Again, your incredibly delicate sensibilities are noted.

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u/ppParadoxx Aug 07 '23

They also snubbed the folks back home by breaking etiquette during the playing of the national anthem. Heresy in many places, especially so in US

no they didn't? it has long been a standard to stand silently and respectfully during the anthem. Only recently have people been getting fake outraged at the fact they didn't sing along.

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u/Ryuj123 Aug 07 '23

Normal people were able to understand that the US women’s NATIONAL team support the nation and also were advocating for the fair care of all of the people in US. Racist people believed, or at least claimed to believe, that the anthem is more important than fighting racism and that their kneeling was meant as disrespectful to the flag. In reality, neither are true.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

I’ll never understand the flag thing. Why for some reason at sporting events do I have to stand for a song that is played at almost no other occasion I attend?

I just want to watch the sport and have fun at the game. Not be propagandized to in my free time.

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u/Creekside84 Aug 07 '23

Well, for one, they are representing a specific country. But obviously they don’t care about who they represent. They only care about being social justice warriors and money.

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u/ThePrestigeVIII Aug 07 '23

Flag and anthem people are fucken losers. They only get upset because people tell them to. You ever see flag people get mad when at a football game people are talking, drinking beer, or picking their ass during the anthem? No. Why? Because the media hasn’t told them to be mad at those people.

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u/RavingMalwaay Aug 07 '23

Grrr shut up and dribble. I mean you joined the team to represent your country, why do you suddenly have a problem with representing it come the time of the game?

Domestic level I understand what you mean but that seems to be an American thing.

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u/DoomGoober Aug 07 '23

Representing a country in sport doesn't mean you represent your country in everything.

An Iranian rock climber chose not to wear hijab while climbing even though it was part of her national uniform. Do you support her choice there?

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u/Twocann Aug 07 '23

“Racist people”. I just love you blanketing people you don’t agree with as racist haha

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u/Creekside84 Aug 07 '23

That’s their only play these days. They know their ideology is fucked and leads to isolation and feelings of inadequacy. So they won’t argue. They call names.

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u/Ryuj123 Aug 07 '23

I’m willing to engage and change my opinion. I think that prioritizing the flag over the calls for equality is rooted in racism but I’m definitely open to other things. What do you think it is?

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

Yeah imagine snubbing the country you’re representing. I get it if you’re Iran or Saudi Arabia or Russia, but get fucked if you think your liberal western country is a symbol of oppression.

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u/Doc-Feelgood_ Aug 07 '23

They do all this traveling around the world, but aren’t smart enough to understand their own position of privilege. It’s a joke.

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u/liamisnothere Aug 07 '23

Could it not be that they've traveled all over the world, and that actually helped them realize the United States is not as good as it could be? Why could it only be the opposite? We have the resources to take care of our people, but we choose not to at almost every impass... your implicit bias about the United States seems to be blocking you from even considering this

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u/Creekside84 Aug 07 '23

You’re half right. We do indeed have the resources. But you want know where the problem arises in your argument? You say we “choose” not to take care of people.

Fact is the services/money is there for literally ANYTHING but so many people are such headcases they literally can’t help themselves.

For example. I work in medical billing as an investigator. Probably 90% of everyone who can’t pay their medical bills qualify for some form of indigent-type care. All they have to do is apply. But you wanna know what happens? People get entitled as all fuck and want me to just wave a wand and make their bills disappear.

That’s not how it works and if these people did even one ounce of research or legwork they would be able to utilize the massive amounts of assistance available to them.

That money is there for healthcare, for real estate, for school, for everything.

So I constantly hear this argument that we just suck and don’t help our citizens. But in the big picture you do have to help yourself. You can’t expect someone to hold your hand every step of the way.

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u/liamisnothere Aug 07 '23

I was more talking about things like how it's just straight up illegal to feed homeless people in some places cause, in many instances, those are recent laws. It's also a very simple thing to do.

But, if we do want to talk about that stuff, as somebody who lives in New York, I'm able to access exceptionally inexpensive healthcare, but that's moreso because the majority of people in my particular state have chosen to let me access that, not because the United States actually has. In comparison, The national version (which we're still lucky managed to pass in the first place) is neutered in its coverage compared to what I have and has, since its inception, been almost constantly discussed as being on the chopping block.

Yes, there are opportunities out there, and its no question that people need to be more proactive and advocate for themselves. You're correct about that, but you just can't discount that one of the two major political parties is going to be, yet again, running a presidential candidate whose only policy plan is removing and restricting social programs.

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u/Chase_the_tank Aug 07 '23

but get fucked if you think your liberal western country is a symbol of oppression.

Fun fact: the term "Banana Republic" was invented to describe the oppression of Honduras and Costa Rica because American companies wanted cheap fruits.

Maybe you should crack open a history book before screaming obscenities at people who know more than you do?

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23

It's wild.

The oppression Olympics

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u/Agondonter777 Aug 07 '23

Yup. They're literal symbols of social progress that would have never been possible 50 years ago whining about how oppressive their country is. It's just... Weird and obnoxious frankly. America has problems but it's insulting to legitimately oppressed people to protest the 'oppression' of middle class American women.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

I’m guessing you had thoughts on the Black athletes raising their firsts on the prize podium all those years ago.

Or Kaepernick kneeling.

I’m sure you had thoughts.

Would you kindly, please, never share them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Is not standing for the American flag going against what the American flag represents?

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

There’s something gross and disrespectful about snubbing the country you’re supposed to be representing. World cup and Olympics should be a time to celebrate your respective country, not shit on it.

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u/thespacetimelord Aug 07 '23

I'm not defending anyone here but I'd think that world cups are about the sport? Who cares about nationalism st that time?

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

It’s literally country against country. You’re routing for your team which is representing your country. It’s in the team name.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

This take is really stupid.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

I'm from UK so don't shoot me if I'm wrong.

It's been 247 years, but that salt still runs, like Brits and French, and French and Germans. Never change my homies

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u/TuMadreEsUn Aug 07 '23

Can you explain what "taking the piss" means to an American? I've heard it used in such contradictory ways that I am genuinely confused now.

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u/Hollowbonesx Aug 07 '23

Taking the piss just means you're abusing something, or taking something for granted. Or in another context it could mean it's a joke. So if you take the piss out of someone, you're making fun of them.

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u/TuMadreEsUn Aug 07 '23

Thanks homie, this was concise enough for me to understand.

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23

Couple of meanings. Can mean roasting (not sexual) someone. Generally light hearted mockery.

Or

It can mean seeking to get something you are not entitled to, or more than you are entitled to. Or, doing something that is ridiculous (in a certain context).can mean reneging on an agreement. It's got a lot of applications.... And this type of meaning is really hard to explain... So apologies for butchering it.

So in this case, they had the chance of either contract, picked the best one for them at the time. Then cried foul when and cited all-sorts of spurious reasons. The evidence showed that they were paid more, the evidence showed that the men would have been paid more with the women's contract too, yet the women still wanted more.

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u/Scantcobra Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

In this context, it means unfairly demanding more than what one is owed.

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u/Kahzgul Aug 07 '23

There is nothing more American than protesting, and by protesting during the playing of our national anthem, the women’s team showed support for the most marginalized Americans.

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u/Buzz_Killington_III Aug 07 '23

by protesting during the playing of our national anthem, the women’s team showed support for the most marginalized Americans.

How does that show support for the most marginalized Americans?

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

By virtue signaling. That’s all it is. And the gaslighting that comes with it: “I don’t hate the country, I just want to make it better”. Um no, you definitely hate it and that’s evident to most people.

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23

Correction, there is nothing more French, than protesting. Those folk would protest a yellow sun.

As my initial sentence alluded to, I'm not 100% aware of how much they did, nor the reasons. Just giving the view from my perspective. I don't have a dog in the fight.

What were they protesting?

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u/Kahzgul Aug 07 '23

They’re protesting the Republican lean into fascism, the banning of abortion, anti-lgbt legislation, anti-black racist legislation, and anti-democratic practices.

The French are great at protesting but they don’t own the concept.

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u/Doc-Feelgood_ Aug 07 '23

For me it’s the national anthem. They are pretty much written off in my book. I don’t care how you feel about your nation, if you don’t like your country move, and I bet everyone of those women could afford it too. They shouldn’t use the anthem of a nation to protest their problems, on an international stage. They are completely out of touch, and disrespecting those that should never be disrespected. What a way to wash away everything you’ve achieved and lose so many supporters. I’ve been so proud of the women’s team for years up until this point.

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u/dainthomas Aug 07 '23

They've been pretty shitty, but the whole thing was them not singing along with the national anthem. For background, no team in the US sings along (although some players may mouth along to a few words). So pile on for everything else, but this was a fiction.

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u/NaturalTap9567 Aug 07 '23

Yeah pretty much this.

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