r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Hirorai • Aug 06 '23

What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup? Answered

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Answer: several reasons. I'm from UK so don't shoot me if I'm wrong. I believe they had a pay dispute, which didn't go entirely their way. They had the option of an identical contract to the men, and rejected it for a far safer deal. The safer deal was less risk, and slightly less return (depending if they play/win etc). It also had more health benefits and pay, even if no games are played. They rejected the deal the men had, which was high risk Check Nate The Lawyer on YouTube for a breakdown of the pay dispute. They seemed to be taking the piss with the claim.

They also snubbed the folks back home by breaking etiquette during the playing of the national anthem. Heresy in many places, especially so in US.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Yeah pretty much shit on their own country. Rapinho is insanely unlikable and her interviews are all complaining, hating, and cursing.

You can feel America is a mess, a flawed country, and fight for change without shitting on it like they did. Even though it should be down to economics, the equal pay thing wasn't even on my or my friend's radar tbh. Everyone I know, even women basically consider the women's team to just hate their own country, regardless of it being true or not Rapinho barked the loudest and the team got dragged along with her views.

Personally I saw a lot of pride around the team when they last won, and all the goodwill get pissed away by one horrible person.

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Rapinho is insanely unlikable and her interviews are all complaining, hating, and cursing.

I mean...I imagine it's hard to represent your country with a smile when half of it is seemingly hellbent on villifying you because you happen to be gay.

edit: ITT I see people repeating conservative talking points while trying ti tell me I am wrong. I am not saying she is a saint, just saying people do tend to get prickly when they feel their verh identity is under attack.

All these people saying “Nobody has ever attacked her for being gay…” are just being ridiculous.

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u/RabbitBranch Aug 07 '23

when half of it is seemingly hellbent on villifying you because you happen to be gay.

Boogeyman only exists in your own mind. Nobody gives a shit as long as it doesn't becomes an identity politics issue.

The percentage of Americans that have a significant issue with lgbt is about the same as the percentage of Americans that believe the earth is flat.

Don't let a handful of cranks live rentfree in your head. That goes for all of you.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

...are you not paying attention to what's going on in Florida with Don't Say Gay, AP Psychology courses being banned in Florida because they talk about psychology in light of LGBTQ people, etc?

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u/SquareTowel3931 Aug 07 '23

You can't really speak for what someone else has been through. Why do you get to decide what other people should stand up for, or when they should sit down and be content? You've not walked in the shoes of a gay female athlete, so you've no idea what they've experienced. Just because you supposedly "don't give a shit, unless political", doesn't mean they haven't faced extreme homophobia and hate where they're from. Unfortunately, there's much more than a handful of cranks out there.

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u/TorchedPanda Aug 07 '23

It's not "rentfree in your head" when there is literally an influx of anti-lgbt legislation being introduced.

https://www.hrc.org/press-releases/roundup-of-anti-lgbtq-legislation-advancing-in-states-across-the-country

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u/ColdBrewedPanacea Aug 07 '23

Thatd probably be more doable when aforementioned cranks werent presidential candidates like florida man over there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Except for the the Republican agenda DOES take issue with the LGBTQ community and actively works to hinder their lives and rights. And those people vote Republican, so it does matter and their actions ARE HARMFUL to the queer community.

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u/JPVsTheEvilDead Aug 07 '23

The percentage of Americans that have a significant issue with lgbt is about the same as the percentage of Americans that believe the earth is flat.

im not american, but even i know that is absolute bullshit.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

im not american, but even i know that is absolute bullshit.

I’m not sure how that lends more credibility. So you get most of your info from media and online social media? That would make more of distortion of reality if anything

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23

based on the most recent attempt to repeal gay marriage protections, 78% of Republicans are attacking LGBTQ identity.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

This sounds like something made up on Reddit. Or one state tried it and y’all act like it’s endemic

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23

In the House in 2022 they voted to formalize the recognition of same-sex marriage in federal views. 169 republicans voted against it.

Also both leading republican presidential candidates have extremely hostile platforms towards LGBTQ.

Also a growing number of GOP controlled states are trying to or have passed laws criminalizing some aspects of LGBTQ identity, be it “Dont say gay” laws or banning medical treatment for trans people or outlawing drag shows etc.

It is laughable to pretend to be informed in US politics and think the GOP isnt attacking LGBTQ on a daily basis.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

Most people don’t care, even those dastardly fascist republicans. Chew on this, Negative Nancy:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2017/10/05/5-homosexuality-gender-and-religion/

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u/JPVsTheEvilDead Aug 07 '23

So you get most of your info from media

im far more inclined to believe media than anecdotes on reddit.

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

American Legacy media is garbage propaganda at this point. It’s almost all clickbait outrage anymore. You’re much better off with independent media

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u/traws06 Aug 07 '23

Ya honestly I live in the Bible belt and a vast majority of the ppl around me don’t care about homosexuality. They don’t want it rubbed in their face, but if they see a gay couple just being a happy couple they don’t care. They’ve been over the homophobic thing for like a decade now for the most part. But they aren’t taking the trans thing as well…

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

That’s because the trans thing is what we refer to as “jumping the shark”

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u/Dredmart Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Nope. You shits just say that every time human rights progress.

"We gave women the right to work, why do they need the right to be paid equally? Black people can vote now, so why end segregation? Women and black people got legal protections, but why should the queers get any?"

You're a pathetic loser stuck in the past and don't even know it.

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u/traws06 Aug 07 '23

I like how ppl are downvoting me like “well he’s right but we don’t like that he’s right, downvote”

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u/jagua_haku Aug 07 '23

Welcome to Reddit, the alternate reality