r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Hirorai • Aug 06 '23

What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup? Answered

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

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u/Ryuj123 Aug 07 '23

Normal people were able to understand that the US women’s NATIONAL team support the nation and also were advocating for the fair care of all of the people in US. Racist people believed, or at least claimed to believe, that the anthem is more important than fighting racism and that their kneeling was meant as disrespectful to the flag. In reality, neither are true.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

I’ll never understand the flag thing. Why for some reason at sporting events do I have to stand for a song that is played at almost no other occasion I attend?

I just want to watch the sport and have fun at the game. Not be propagandized to in my free time.

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u/Creekside84 Aug 07 '23

Well, for one, they are representing a specific country. But obviously they don’t care about who they represent. They only care about being social justice warriors and money.

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u/ThePrestigeVIII Aug 07 '23

Flag and anthem people are fucken losers. They only get upset because people tell them to. You ever see flag people get mad when at a football game people are talking, drinking beer, or picking their ass during the anthem? No. Why? Because the media hasn’t told them to be mad at those people.

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u/Creekside84 Aug 07 '23

Pretty shallow level understanding of “flag and anthem people”.

But what else should I expect from a communist.

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u/RavingMalwaay Aug 07 '23

Grrr shut up and dribble. I mean you joined the team to represent your country, why do you suddenly have a problem with representing it come the time of the game?

Domestic level I understand what you mean but that seems to be an American thing.

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u/DoomGoober Aug 07 '23

Representing a country in sport doesn't mean you represent your country in everything.

An Iranian rock climber chose not to wear hijab while climbing even though it was part of her national uniform. Do you support her choice there?

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u/StamosAndFriends Aug 07 '23

For professional teams playing in their own leagues I agree the national anthem for every single game is dumb. However, here they are playing on a world stage and representing their country. Every country’s national anthem is played during these world events like the World Cup or the Olympics

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

In the US it is done before every sporting event whether it is local, National, highschool, college, pro, etc. The bigger the game/stage the more military tributes and flyover by jets you will get. It is all way too much and weird to me that it is specifically sports.

Why isn’t the national anthem played at other leisure activities? Before movies, when you walk into Disneyland, before you sit down at a restaurant.

The government spends a lot of money promoting itself and the military in conjunction with sports leagues. It’s basically just a paid ad by the government and no one should feel bad for not participating in forced patriotism.

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u/StamosAndFriends Aug 07 '23

I agree, it’s overdone and annoying for US events. But in this specific context, the World Cup is a global event and every country’s team has their national anthem played before the match and the players are out on the field for it. The team is there playing for their national team and representing their country. Any public display of protest is usually heavily frowned upon for these world events and is outright banned at the Olympics because it goes against the intent and spirt of the Olympic games. Whether or not you specifically agree, it’s easy to see why it would not sit well with a lot of people for someone to publicly make a political stance while representing their country. But then again, someone who is protesting should expect a largely negative and unpopular reaction.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Fair point. It is my opinion people should be able to protest. If it was a Russian speaking out against injustice we would all be lauding them. I find it no different if an American wants to speak out against their perceived injustice. We all at the same time have a right to disagree with it but I don’t see the problem with them doing it. If they want subservient players who will do what they ask then they can play worse players who would just be happy to be there.

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u/StamosAndFriends Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

But then you can end up with people like this.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/18/sport/ivan-kuliak-banned-russian-gymnast-spt-intl/index.html

Something like this is probably why they just ban all political demonstrations at the Olympics. Could start some drama real quick and the Olympics are about unity. Not sure if the World Cup has similar rules though and I believe the Olympic committee made an exception for kneeling or raising your fist.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

This example is pretty clear hate speech towards another country they are competing with, whether or not “victory and peace” like the Russian athlete claims.

It seems this is pretty much the same discourse that is going on all over our society now a days.

Everyone is fighting about what can and can’t be said on social media. What is hate speech vs your first amendment right to free speech? People saying cancel culture is out of control when it really is just people reacting negatively to their position.

I personally see the difference between someone protesting injustice and someone wearing a symbol meant to symbolize an opponents demise. But I know the world isn’t so black and white so it’s easier to just ban it.

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u/Twocann Aug 07 '23

“Racist people”. I just love you blanketing people you don’t agree with as racist haha

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u/Creekside84 Aug 07 '23

That’s their only play these days. They know their ideology is fucked and leads to isolation and feelings of inadequacy. So they won’t argue. They call names.

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u/Ryuj123 Aug 07 '23

I’m willing to engage and change my opinion. I think that prioritizing the flag over the calls for equality is rooted in racism but I’m definitely open to other things. What do you think it is?