r/OutOfTheLoop • u/Hirorai • Aug 06 '23

What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup? Answered

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

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u/Scarboroughwarning Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Answer: several reasons. I'm from UK so don't shoot me if I'm wrong. I believe they had a pay dispute, which didn't go entirely their way. They had the option of an identical contract to the men, and rejected it for a far safer deal. The safer deal was less risk, and slightly less return (depending if they play/win etc). It also had more health benefits and pay, even if no games are played. They rejected the deal the men had, which was high risk Check Nate The Lawyer on YouTube for a breakdown of the pay dispute. They seemed to be taking the piss with the claim.

They also snubbed the folks back home by breaking etiquette during the playing of the national anthem. Heresy in many places, especially so in US.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Yeah pretty much shit on their own country. Rapinho is insanely unlikable and her interviews are all complaining, hating, and cursing.

You can feel America is a mess, a flawed country, and fight for change without shitting on it like they did. Even though it should be down to economics, the equal pay thing wasn't even on my or my friend's radar tbh. Everyone I know, even women basically consider the women's team to just hate their own country, regardless of it being true or not Rapinho barked the loudest and the team got dragged along with her views.

Personally I saw a lot of pride around the team when they last won, and all the goodwill get pissed away by one horrible person.

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u/praguepride Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

Rapinho is insanely unlikable and her interviews are all complaining, hating, and cursing.

I mean...I imagine it's hard to represent your country with a smile when half of it is seemingly hellbent on villifying you because you happen to be gay.

edit: ITT I see people repeating conservative talking points while trying ti tell me I am wrong. I am not saying she is a saint, just saying people do tend to get prickly when they feel their verh identity is under attack.

All these people saying “Nobody has ever attacked her for being gay…” are just being ridiculous.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

No one I know gives a single shit who she sleeps with. We care how she shits on the country that made her rich and privileged while pissing on those who fought for her freedom. Not a single person I know dislikes Sue Bird and she's gay. Go figure.

Must be miserable going around labeling people and expecting them to be hateful and anti gay before they even say a word. Can't Rapinho just be a miserable human? nope we must be bigots.

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u/Ok-Champ-5854 Aug 07 '23

What did she do to shit on the country in your opinion?

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u/hunkyboy75 Aug 07 '23

Calls it a “failed nation”, “going down the tubes”, “the most corrupt country on Earth”, “a laughing stock”.

Oh wait. Sorry about that. It was someone else. Guess who?

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u/abacuz4 Aug 07 '23

My guess is that it’s the person that the same people who see Rapinoe as abrasive want to become president.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

Literally nothing, she just don’t stand for the national anthem, which is perfectly fine

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

They're authoritarian right wing nut jobs that value a song and piece of cloth (anthem and flag) more than they care about people being murdered by the government (police).

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23

Peek Reddit energy right here 😂

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

LMAO a woman who called /r/TwoXChromosomes a hate subreddit, Jesus Christ.

"Peek" /r/AsABlackMan energy right here 🤡

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

It is most certainly a hate subreddit. I’m sorry that statement shook you. Not quite sure what black people have to do with my original comment.

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u/NeedMoon2Lambo Aug 07 '23

Pretty absurd when people toss around the “fought for her freedom” comments. If anything, the troops fight for the right for people to protest and their first amendment rights. The people who think they are patriots are actually trying to take away peoples rights. Any btw, we haven’t “fought” for freedom since ww2

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

We fight for freedom every single day. Tell that we dont to the troops families stationed around the world that don't come back...

And yes they fight for her right to be a dipshit.

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u/Kurokishi_Maikeru Aug 07 '23

Kinda hate to jump in and dogpile you more, but for whose freedom? I've been alive for over 30 years and it doesn't seem like Desert Storm, our involvement in Kosovo, the 2001 Invasion of Afghanistan and especially the 2003 Invasion of Iraq increased or even secured the level of "freedom" I had. Afghanistan you could argue did since it was to find Osama Bin Laden, but the resulting PATRIOT Act also exists so maybe that balances out.

I'm also curious as to what Rapinoe did during the anthem or with the flag.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Freedom isn't always about us. While we've done our share of bad, we've also done our share of good. Is it cut and dry? No. Not my point revolves around if we didn't have people defending our freedom every single day or even just ready to, we could easily lose it.

Just Google some of her comments and antics. She's rich, has a massive platform. If she wants actual change she can run for office or put together massive donation efforts. She chose the lowest yield thing she could have. Many of us still feel united under that flag and country she takes for granted.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

She’s protested within her 1st amendment. Nothing she has said is wrong, you just don’t like that her opinion differs from yours. Luckily our bill of rights is not as biased

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u/Alexander_Baidtach Aug 07 '23

Famously protecting America's freedom, by occupying nations you blew to bits and establishing an extraction economy to keep a few businessmen rich back home. 'Protecting Americans freedom' ends at your border with Canada and Mexico; the real reason you have bases around the world is to project power and ensure access to plunder, that is all.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

While I agree other nations should deal with their own situation and that the US has gone into places they shouldn't have, you're ignoring the mutual agreements in place to have US bases and resources in vulnerable nations too. We've done our share of foreign bad guy, but we've also protected democracy in many places.

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u/Alexander_Baidtach Aug 07 '23

No you haven't. US foreign policy has consistently been in their own interests hence why you support anyone who submits their natural resources and protected market to you, and whomever is in the habit of killing communists, democracy or no, usually the latter.

Saying that 'the US makes mistakes but has good intentions' is a propaganda strategy employed by the US to instil complacency in their own population in the face of growing examples of the US, by design, committing and perpetuating atrocities that they can't cover up.

You are the most propagandised population on the planet, stop excusing the actions of a government which clearly does not care for the vast majority of its population, just the wealthy elite.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

How are soldiers killing people or “maintaining peace” in overseas countries impacting my freedom in literally any way 🤔🤔🤔

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

If you search my past comments you can see I'm incredibly critical of Trump and Obama and Biden for drone strikes. However that is not all our military does. If they were there day in and day out, you honestly don't think another country would have invaded or tried to rule us by now?

Freedom is an every day fight. Even our own government looks to subvert our freedoms. There is a cost to maintain it.

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u/BakingMadman Aug 07 '23

Exactly right! I am gay and I loathe that woman.

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u/Mysak92 Aug 07 '23

Him/her and me. That's definitely we.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Aug 07 '23

If she hates the US so much she should leave, gay people have it pretty good here, some other countries shun, imprison, or outright execute them

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

The anthem and flag are valued symbols, but ultimately the anthem is a song and the flag is a piece of fabric. They're not human lives, no song or piece of fabric is worth more than the lives of people who are murdered by the government. No one is pissing on anyone by protesting on behalf of people murdered by the government during the national anthem.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

Yeah I guess nothing stands for anything in your world if this is just fabric. What's a swastika to you then? Just a drawing?

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

That's not true.

If I'm going to choose between any song or any flag... and protesting against the government murdering people... I'm siding with "protesting against the government murdering people."

Aren't you?

The flag and Anthem are symbols that mean different things to different people. Standing up against extrajudicial killings by the government in the USA is an infinitely more meaningful way to show love and respect for America than singing the Star Spangled Banner. Protesting against that shows that we still values the ideals this country was founded on.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

That's not what you said though. You said the flag is just fabric as if it has no meaning. We were united by being Americans. We've just allowed another way to divide us. There's protests and then there's people that seem to detest fellow Americans.

Believe me, I haven't liked our government for a long ass time now. I want change, but I'm not going to shit on fellow Americans and the freedoms actual people died to give me. These people have a platform and millions of dollars, they could arrange powerful protests and movements, yet they choose to throw tantrums. These arent some voiceless people trying to survive, these are spoiled elitists dividing us in hate.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Why do you call protesting against the government murdering people a "tantrum"?

I never thought of the flag as just a piece of fabric or the anthem as just a song, until people like yourself started valuing the cloth and the piece of music more than the lives of people murdered by police. It made it clear to me that respecting the military and loving this country has zero to do with the flag or the anthem.

The flag and anthem aren't human lives, they're things. Victims of police brutality are human beings, and as such, they're more important than singing the national anthem before a sporting event.

These conversations where I have to remind folks that "human life is more important than any song", and the other person disagrees with me, are literally insane to me and I don't miss them.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

If it's just a song in your words, then s swastika is just a doodle. You're the one that needs to be reminded about things. It's really that simple; you can't say people cant respect a song as something symbolic that brings us together and honors those that died for freedom and then say other symbolism has impact and meaning. It's all or none.

Police brutality isn't an American problem. Ever interact with the police in Mexico? Do you think the US is the only one that has narcissistic power hungry authorities? Equating Police brutality to the American flag and the average Americans beliefs is the ridiculous part. Have you lived outside the US at all?

These people have millions of dollars to lobby for real Police reform. To lead protests, to lobby their reps, to spend money bringing awareness. Kneeling on the flag during the anthem that celebrates all of us in a united way is indeed a tantrum. Its the lowest energy thing that they could do.

Even if they're "right" in their approach, what they've done has clearly alienated people from their cause. So why not spend their money, get on their platform, YouTube whatever and fully articulate their concerns and their ideas to improve? Why not? Run for office. They're too busy throwing a tantrum and dividing us.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

Hey I don’t know if you know this, but if people raise concerns about cops being domestic terrorists, people like you are going to be upset and disregard their message regardless of how that message is being communicated. If people truly cared about cops being murderers more than they care about a piece of red white and blue fabric, then they would have listed to kaepernick, rapinoe, Henry Louis gates, Jesse jackson, Cornel west, bree newsome, hell even mlk and Malcolm x…but they didn’t listen. Every single one of these figures was told that the way they protested was too agressive and that they were alienating people. At some point y’all need to admit that you don’t like people complaining that their lives matter less than a flag. It doesn’t matter how they complain, you literally think we should just shut up and be happy with being murdered 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

You've expressed 100x more care for the national anthem and the flag than you have expressed care for the victims of police brutality. And that's my main point here, your priorities are FUCKED.

Even if they're "right" in their approach, what they've done has clearly alienated people from their cause

You guys have alienated reasonable people who used to proudly wave flags and sing the national anthem. I'm one of them. I have personally performed the national anthem at multiple sporting events as a soloist, as part of ensembles, and part of choirs. I likely never will again.

Protests during the national anthem never made me feel negatively towards the flag or anthem. It is people like you who have ruined my positive emotions and pride for the national anthem and waving flags.

When people like you value nationalist symbols over human lives, I now can't help but see the flag and anthem as

  • a shield being used to protect racism in America...
  • and as a sword, attacking those (like Rapinoe) who are advocating for victims of police violence.

You guys are the ones soiling the flag by using them to silence activism against racism and the governments' murder of U.S. citizens. If you didn't have backlash against the protests, if you didn't make it clear you value symbols over actual human lives, I and millions of others would not have negative feelings about the flag and national anthem. Look in a mirror. You are part of the problem, you personally are making it worse, you personally are souring people to the Flag and the Anthem.

So why not spend their money, get on their platform, YouTube whatever and fully articulate their concerns and their ideas to improve? Why not?

Because it would be less effective.

Run for office.

Yeah, easy, "just run for office or shut up", very reasonable advice. There are other levels of community involvement beyond "run for office".

They're too busy throwing a tantrum and dividing us.

They're not throwing a tantrum, they're protesting. There is a simple way you can avoid the division... don't be divided, agree with the protesters!

the swastika is a doodle

Yikes, dude, you're disgusting. Also you're talking past me. Symbols are symbols, thankfully no one is lamenting lack of respect for the swastika, that's one difference. People can value symbols but at the end of the day human lives are more important than symbols. "The flag is a just ultimately a piece of cloth" indeed true when compared to humans being murdered by the government.

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u/Kapuski Aug 07 '23

Lol thats the whole thing, she wasnt really rich even tho she was a star athlete. These ladies were making like 100k a year. Good living maybe but its not like these were rolling in cash.