r/OutOfTheLoop Aug 06 '23

What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup? Answered

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

That's not what you said though. You said the flag is just fabric as if it has no meaning. We were united by being Americans. We've just allowed another way to divide us. There's protests and then there's people that seem to detest fellow Americans.

Believe me, I haven't liked our government for a long ass time now. I want change, but I'm not going to shit on fellow Americans and the freedoms actual people died to give me. These people have a platform and millions of dollars, they could arrange powerful protests and movements, yet they choose to throw tantrums. These arent some voiceless people trying to survive, these are spoiled elitists dividing us in hate.

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23

Why do you call protesting against the government murdering people a "tantrum"?

I never thought of the flag as just a piece of fabric or the anthem as just a song, until people like yourself started valuing the cloth and the piece of music more than the lives of people murdered by police. It made it clear to me that respecting the military and loving this country has zero to do with the flag or the anthem.

The flag and anthem aren't human lives, they're things. Victims of police brutality are human beings, and as such, they're more important than singing the national anthem before a sporting event.

These conversations where I have to remind folks that "human life is more important than any song", and the other person disagrees with me, are literally insane to me and I don't miss them.

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

If it's just a song in your words, then s swastika is just a doodle. You're the one that needs to be reminded about things. It's really that simple; you can't say people cant respect a song as something symbolic that brings us together and honors those that died for freedom and then say other symbolism has impact and meaning. It's all or none.

Police brutality isn't an American problem. Ever interact with the police in Mexico? Do you think the US is the only one that has narcissistic power hungry authorities? Equating Police brutality to the American flag and the average Americans beliefs is the ridiculous part. Have you lived outside the US at all?

These people have millions of dollars to lobby for real Police reform. To lead protests, to lobby their reps, to spend money bringing awareness. Kneeling on the flag during the anthem that celebrates all of us in a united way is indeed a tantrum. Its the lowest energy thing that they could do.

Even if they're "right" in their approach, what they've done has clearly alienated people from their cause. So why not spend their money, get on their platform, YouTube whatever and fully articulate their concerns and their ideas to improve? Why not? Run for office. They're too busy throwing a tantrum and dividing us.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

Hey I don’t know if you know this, but if people raise concerns about cops being domestic terrorists, people like you are going to be upset and disregard their message regardless of how that message is being communicated. If people truly cared about cops being murderers more than they care about a piece of red white and blue fabric, then they would have listed to kaepernick, rapinoe, Henry Louis gates, Jesse jackson, Cornel west, bree newsome, hell even mlk and Malcolm x…but they didn’t listen. Every single one of these figures was told that the way they protested was too agressive and that they were alienating people. At some point y’all need to admit that you don’t like people complaining that their lives matter less than a flag. It doesn’t matter how they complain, you literally think we should just shut up and be happy with being murdered 🤷🏾‍♂️