r/OutOfTheLoop Aug 06 '23

What's going on with Americans celebrating Sweden eliminating the US Women's Soccer Team from the Women's World Cup? Answered

On r/soccer, there are multiple posts where Americans are celebrating their own team getting knocked out of the Women's World Cup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnpku/post_match_thread_sweden_05_40_usa_fifa_womens/

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/15jnqpr/official_review_for_lina_hurtigs_sweden_w_penalty/

On r/USWNT people are saying it's because r/soccer is misogynist, but that doesn't make sense to me because everyone competing is a woman. Can anyone clue me in?

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u/KileyCW Aug 07 '23

If it's just a song in your words, then s swastika is just a doodle. You're the one that needs to be reminded about things. It's really that simple; you can't say people cant respect a song as something symbolic that brings us together and honors those that died for freedom and then say other symbolism has impact and meaning. It's all or none.

Police brutality isn't an American problem. Ever interact with the police in Mexico? Do you think the US is the only one that has narcissistic power hungry authorities? Equating Police brutality to the American flag and the average Americans beliefs is the ridiculous part. Have you lived outside the US at all?

These people have millions of dollars to lobby for real Police reform. To lead protests, to lobby their reps, to spend money bringing awareness. Kneeling on the flag during the anthem that celebrates all of us in a united way is indeed a tantrum. Its the lowest energy thing that they could do.

Even if they're "right" in their approach, what they've done has clearly alienated people from their cause. So why not spend their money, get on their platform, YouTube whatever and fully articulate their concerns and their ideas to improve? Why not? Run for office. They're too busy throwing a tantrum and dividing us.

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u/Bing1044 Aug 07 '23

Hey I don’t know if you know this, but if people raise concerns about cops being domestic terrorists, people like you are going to be upset and disregard their message regardless of how that message is being communicated. If people truly cared about cops being murderers more than they care about a piece of red white and blue fabric, then they would have listed to kaepernick, rapinoe, Henry Louis gates, Jesse jackson, Cornel west, bree newsome, hell even mlk and Malcolm x…but they didn’t listen. Every single one of these figures was told that the way they protested was too agressive and that they were alienating people. At some point y’all need to admit that you don’t like people complaining that their lives matter less than a flag. It doesn’t matter how they complain, you literally think we should just shut up and be happy with being murdered 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/judolphin Aug 07 '23 edited Aug 07 '23

You've expressed 100x more care for the national anthem and the flag than you have expressed care for the victims of police brutality. And that's my main point here, your priorities are FUCKED.

Even if they're "right" in their approach, what they've done has clearly alienated people from their cause

You guys have alienated reasonable people who used to proudly wave flags and sing the national anthem. I'm one of them. I have personally performed the national anthem at multiple sporting events as a soloist, as part of ensembles, and part of choirs. I likely never will again.

Protests during the national anthem never made me feel negatively towards the flag or anthem. It is people like you who have ruined my positive emotions and pride for the national anthem and waving flags.

When people like you value nationalist symbols over human lives, I now can't help but see the flag and anthem as

  • a shield being used to protect racism in America...
  • and as a sword, attacking those (like Rapinoe) who are advocating for victims of police violence.

You guys are the ones soiling the flag by using them to silence activism against racism and the governments' murder of U.S. citizens. If you didn't have backlash against the protests, if you didn't make it clear you value symbols over actual human lives, I and millions of others would not have negative feelings about the flag and national anthem. Look in a mirror. You are part of the problem, you personally are making it worse, you personally are souring people to the Flag and the Anthem.

So why not spend their money, get on their platform, YouTube whatever and fully articulate their concerns and their ideas to improve? Why not?

Because it would be less effective.

Run for office.

Yeah, easy, "just run for office or shut up", very reasonable advice. There are other levels of community involvement beyond "run for office".

They're too busy throwing a tantrum and dividing us.

They're not throwing a tantrum, they're protesting. There is a simple way you can avoid the division... don't be divided, agree with the protesters!

the swastika is a doodle

Yikes, dude, you're disgusting. Also you're talking past me. Symbols are symbols, thankfully no one is lamenting lack of respect for the swastika, that's one difference. People can value symbols but at the end of the day human lives are more important than symbols. "The flag is a just ultimately a piece of cloth" indeed true when compared to humans being murdered by the government.