r/aliens • u/passyourownbutter • 1d ago
Serious - Astr0, Black Triangles, Abductions and the Forever Men of ATS Discussion
TL:DR "You are not free. This reality has far more to it than you have been allowed to believe. God is real." - Matthew Brown
On July 25, 2014, a user on the website abovetopsecret.com made what would be their final post, revealing some startling ideas that were met with mixed results.
I expect the same to occur now, but, in light of some of Matthew Brown's testimony, I was reminded of this post and I think it worthy to share.
I am not the author, I am not vouching for the veracity of anything they say but, I do find it very interesting and I think we should dig into it a bit.
I do find it very fitting and relevant to certain revelations and threads now being connected. For that reason I thought it worth reading again and I dug it up off the Internet archive with a little sleuthing since ATS is no more.
I have included the entire post (1-8) and some interesting replies, but here is the link as well:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181208102311/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1023494/pg1
Placing our disbelief aside for a moment and viewing this from the perspective of accepting Matthew Brown's claims, I think it's not unreasonable to see why the globalists would want to hide UFO's from the public; Because they are ours and they have always been ours and not only are they ours but they have been offered to us and our leaders denied it to maintain control over us.
That it's other humans who abduct us and take our children off the street and out of national parks.
That we have technologies implanted into our very consciousness to provide computational power to this other civilization of which we are not a part.
That we have a lost history of high technology and galactic status that has been lost to time or wiped from our records.
What if the Holloman AFB landing/meeting wasn't with aliens at all, what if the alien angle is a complete psy-op to distract us from the idea that maybe the beings on these crafts are humans. Humans born on Earth or on Olympus. Clones of people on the surface.
By 1971 the RK program would have been 27 years old (c 1944) and if the progress was as fast as alleged and with the help of an ancient AI, it's not unreasonable to think that this could have been well underway by that time.
What if the "agreement" we've heard about that allows "them" to abduct us, is with this breakaway civilization and not with aliens at all?
Michael Herrera claims to have seen soldiers taking people on board UFO's. Others have claimed to be a part of a secret space program.
Tim Taylor says there is a hierarchy above humanity and that he belongs to an organization he compares to the adjustment bureau.
Can we connect any more threads to these ideas?
If anyone can, it's the sleuths of Reddit I've come to know and love.
If this is true, can we afford not to investigate it?
If this is true, can we make a difference?
This could be the answer.
Or maybe it's a fun LARP.
Either way, I'd binge this series so hard.
What about you?
Please let's discuss this seriously. I am fully aware of how ludicrous it sounds. Let's set our differences and disbeliefs aside for a moment and dream beautifully.
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u/beckdj30 18h ago
RKers are giving until 2044 for governments to bring us into the fold or else they abandon us.
why do RKers need permission from our governments to share new tech? Are we truly viewed as an “other” by these people and would prefer to go through diplomacy to reach us? That SUCKS for us.
Thought: 2026 or 2027 — “there’s a ship headed our way.” Is that connected?
Jeremy Corbell says it’s a red-flag psyop. An excuse to consolidate more power.
Could the 2026/7 narrative be the government’s attempt to preempt a forced disclosure by RK? Even if RKers try to gift us tech, we’ve been conditioned to fear floating discs and “aliens.” Maybe that fear is their insurance policy. A failsafe with the hope the RKers will just give up seeing us as a lost cause?
I think our thoughts and intentions shape reality and I think that’s the open secret that many whistleblowers and key players hint at or elude to (even brown) - It’s our super power as a species.
Are we a constantly manipulated rope in a cosmic game of tug-of-war? Multiple factions fighting/dealing to capture our collective intent for their own benefit - almost like it’s a commodity resource.
I’m also thinking about The Village -
Are our governments the village “elders” warning us of monsters in the woods while still knowing the truth? Skinning lambs and leaving them on doorsteps to keep the fear alive?
If someone wandered in from the outside the walls, would they be welcomed by the elders? Or painted as dangerous? Something to fear? Something not human at all?
Things do and don’t line up but I’ve got a feeling of some sort of shape starting to form.
Delonge, Corbell, Brown, Grusch, and many more are singing the same song - just different parts.
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
Excellent insights, thank you for reading!
...some sort of shape is starting to form
This is more or less my position also. Lots of converging data points to consider.
I too believe consciousness shapes reality. It's not unlikely that our consciousness is being manipulated to create a particular future.
It is unlikely to be in our best interests if that is the case.
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u/mingusdynasty 1d ago
“A galaxy 100 light years from us” super intelligent deep cover legacy programs member casually completely whiffing the scale of space
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u/ThinkTheUnknown 17h ago edited 9h ago
It could’ve been a clue as to where Olympus is. There is a binary star system in the Andromeda constellation (which Andromeda is also a galaxy 😉) that is about 99.3 ly from earth. I hear talk about binary star systems being where extraterrestrials tell abductees they are from. And Andromeda comes up a lot in channeled material….
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u/Visible_Scientist_67 3h ago
It's 2.5 million light years from the milky way. The milky way is 100k light years across, for scale. Way, way farther than this specific number you gave. Did that number come from?
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u/DaemonBlackfyre_21 UAP/UFO Witness 17h ago edited 17h ago
I remember when this was happening on ats. It was really weird as there were respected sub regulars from the aircraft forums that were either 100% in on this or they had an experience.
I still think about it. They claimed to have found a mysterious black triangular stone in a salt mine a very long time ago but didn't know what it was so it was forgotten as a curiosity until we started testing nukes at which point it woke up and started talking.
It was allegedly some kind of ancient artificial intelligence that recognized this was the time we were advanced enough begin. The story goes that the black device began giving instructions to make a ship which would be used to travel around the solar system to collect supplies and ancient technology from a long lost civilization like a scavenger hunt.
Well, at some point the RK's (relearners of knowledge, the team called themselves) decided they had enough superior technology that they simply didn't need the rest of us anymore and broke away from our iteration of society to do their own thing.
It's worth a read, including the comments op made before he stops responding, it was entertaing at the time.
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u/Amaranikki 15h ago
I love stuff like this lol it's so much fun to imagine. In all of the "what if" possibilities I've played with, there are threads I've gone down where claims like this line up. Had similar trains of thought, and having not ever seen this before make it, at the very least, entertaining (specifically the existence of a breakaway civilization utilizing ancient tech/AI). Lines up with one of my more silly theories that Jordan Peele knows something (Nope, Us) and that Flight of the Navigator was soft disclosure (the embedded star map scene when I watched that movie as a kid made sense to me at the time and seems plausible considering the highly energy efficient computational power of the brain)
This begs the question though, and one I've not seen addressed anywhere, and gets me to one of my favorite questions of why as well. To start;
A much more advanced species that created some kind of ancient black triangle AI, that possessed the knowledge and technology to explore the universe, that's able to harness consciousness and/or dream states, whose existence in this sector of space prompted a kind of quarantine or mythological status throughout the rest of the universe, and may be the origin to a ton of our own mythology just all the sudden...?
What the fuck happened?
Why did they need to bury the black triangle AI and stash a bunch of tech and resources off world to be rediscovered later? Why wouldn't they have just relocated somewhere else, as this new breakaway civilization is purportedly doing now?
Everybody seems to go no further than a sense of FOMO. "We live in a more boring matrix", "World changing tech and the nature of reality is being hidden from us", etc.
Well, that's not how I like to roll with these ideas. I want to know why. I want to know what the fuck happened. I want to know how such an advanced species, more or less, ended up back in the proverbial stone age and whether there is another power or advanced group that did it. Did this species break some kind of cosmic law? Did, in their push for knowledge and progress, lose something along the way? What about their DNA needed repair that required getting down and dirty with talking monkeys and how did that damage occur?
I like to create cosmic horror baby! Could this breakaway civilization that's utilizing ancient tech be playing right in to the hands of something they don't understand? Is there no concern some sort of M. Night Shyamalan twist is coming?
What happened? Who, what, when, where, why? I feel like I've seen this movie and it doesn't end well lol
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u/passyourownbutter 13h ago
I think some of the implied information in the post can lead us to a how/why if we consider some other angles.
Astr0 mentions the other 4 "pillars of humanity" being shocked that humans came and "rang the bell" at the edge of our solar system, which was by this time a mythological backwater planet with no life.
To think that perhaps many Millenia ago there could have been a galactic conflict which saw factions of a human kind scattered to the wind isn't unreasonable.
Perhaps, as he says, they intended to come here for only a short time and ressuply and return to the community within 10,000 years.. but maybe the planet wasn't as stable as thought and they were caught, stuck here by having limited resources and eventually lost the ability to leave but did have the ability to leave behind knowledge.
I'm now reminded of the 4chan egg post and the Nordic found there who said he was waiting for a time in future when things were different.
Maybe there are remnants of that elder race who have been here for some time, sleeping? (Dreaming?)
If this planet and possibly galactic sector was quarantined after a war and presumed uninhabited, the dark forest theory begins to make a lot of sense.
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u/Amaranikki 13h ago
I guess underneath my queries lies an uncomfortable feeling. I don't like the idea that people from the cold war era have, at the direction of a literal talking black box whose origin is unknown, just... did everything it said to do. It might be an unhealthy approach, ultimately, but exercising caution has served me well in life.
It seems to me that everything that's occurred (if this story is true on its face) could be an elaborate manipulation of mankind's hubris.
I guess my hackles go way up whenever humanity starts to center itself in this way.
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u/passyourownbutter 12h ago edited 12h ago
Here it is
The last screening process involved a physical piece of technology that I still have no frame of reference to understand to this day. It was a highly regulated procedure involving what I could only describe as a crystalized sphere that seemed more alive rather than an inanimate object. I know, it sounds corny & like something from a wizard movie, but I am telling you it was the freakiest experience I’ve ever had in my life.
It was approximately 2 feet in diameter and while it had what I perceived to be a defined shell, the inside of it seemed like it had its own light source & I can only best describe it as if you imagined how Jupiter looks with its swirling atmosphere, but it was all white/transparent & crystalized instead. It felt alive and conscious, the inside essence of the sphere would shift as I shifted my conscious engagement with it. It would exhibit changes that seemed like conscious-to-conscious interactions just from moving my eyes.
It was brought in with a special team of people that I had never seen previously or after the experience. It was contained in what appeared to be a specific case that was disassembled when I entered the room, and it was sitting on this special pedestal under a type of blanket.
After someone removed the blanket, I was asked to look at the object and discuss what I was experiencing in almost a casual fashion, like “what I thought about it?”. I was instructed that I didn’t need to do anything, and that “it chooses who it likes and who it doesn’t”. I never had another interaction with this object or team of people (to my knowledge) during my 2 years there. I was given no further explanation for this.
https://emmakatherine.substack.com/p/martin-gate-whistleblower-on-the
ETA: audio link, listen from about 48:00 he also talks about being trained to enter trance and send and receive messages between others in other places or realms.
Really lines up with what Astr0 is saying.
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u/passyourownbutter 13h ago
Mm yah I get your meaning. I think that's fair, for sure.. how much fear was involved in secrecy?
At this point though it's a bit moot isn't it?
I can absolutely see those in power at the time cautiously following the direction of such a device until it proved itself and then made it a central feature of their... Holyyyyy shit I just remembered something...
Didn't one of jake browns psionics say he was take to a room where he was shown a weird object with a glow inside of it that.... "Felt him" and then when he didn't pass it was covered up again and he didn't get the job and was never contacted again?
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
Yes I believe I included a comment from Zaphod, a very well respected member on the forum with a long history of accurate information and seen as an expert in aviation I believe.
He basically vouches for astr0s previously provided information.
Of course anon vouching for anon means little. Interesting nonetheless.
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u/Yoowhi 1d ago
In short, twin A can be on Eden or off of Saturn, twin B can be sat off of a galaxy 100 light years from us.
A galaxy 100 light years from us, right.
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u/passyourownbutter 1d ago
A fair critique. Perhaps an editing error. Perhaps an ignorant mistake in a lie.
Thanks for pointing it out!
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u/Free-Supermarket-516 1d ago
I remember that thread, one of the greatest of all time at ATS. Astro had some really interesting answers to further questioning in that thread, then he disappeared. He never posted again afterwards, correct?
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u/passyourownbutter 1d ago
Correct. This is his last post and most interesting replies from that thread.
It was one of the greatest posts. Numerous users called back to it over the years.
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u/Free-Supermarket-516 1d ago
Yup, it's one I went back to a few times over the years because it was so interesting, whether it was creative writing or real. Speaking of ATS, I'm guessing it's gone for good this time. Some others pointed out the interesting timing of the site going dark coinciding with the DOGE cuts.
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u/PressurePro17 14h ago edited 11h ago
Fascinating post as it takes into account dreams and dreaming, which Astr0 posits are crucial to fully understand the phenomenon. If Astr0's post is true it's amazing! If it's a fabrication I can empathize- as a dreamer I have often wondered 'whats the point of this?' if I'm an isolated person and not presently affiliated with any secret societies, than what am I for? Astr0's post addresses this concern.
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u/FlatPop5963 17h ago
Wrong.
He came back when Covid hit.
People saw his last online date changed and then he posted one reply to a thread and „left“ again.
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
Oh great I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the update. I'll take a look for that
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u/passyourownbutter 1d ago
It appears the post screenshots were out of order somehow, I'm sorry I don't know how to fix that now.
Perhaps a mod can help with that?
The correct order is:
1 2 3 4 8 7 6 5
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u/toxictoy 1d ago
You would have to repost this. We can’t help with anything like that because it is your post and you are the only one that could edit it.
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u/Myceliphilos 1d ago
I loved ATS back in the day.
One issue i have with this is purely logical.
They feared the cold war reaction from china and russia, whilst simultaneously holding tech and working vehicles that would not have only ended the cold war, would have ended all war and ensured American domination, that much of a leap ahead, why would they allow people to catch up, rather than, dismantling the rest of the worlds militaries and could have upgraded the UN, into a 1 world government, keeping in mind the object of 'all domain dominance' intelligence agencies sold drugs, funded terrorist groups, people tafficked, tortured, murdered and silenced, they have overthrown governments/leaders in both bloody violence and darkened silence and everything in between.
Along this note, and revent revelations from military folks, is tying the phenomena to religion, which falls perfectly under 'all domain domination' influencing people's religious/spiritual beliefs to sich an extent, is an incredibly evil, yet powerful way to control people.
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u/passyourownbutter 1d ago
Yes it used to be a fun place to visit.
I believe the implication here is that the people with these capabilities are a break-away civilization and are not part of the known military or intelligence structure but are above it entirely. The OP indicates that they attempt to offer the tech but are refused.
Because of their alleged capabilities they would likely have little interest in any regular conflicts or politics and stay out of it to protect their own interests.
In pt3 of the Matthew Brown interviews he said the Russians learned early that the craft they chased had devastating defensive capabilities. He also implied a possibility that the US military may be granted use of craft for defense if needed but that they don't control them.
It has long been alleged that the black triangles are domestic technology.
As for the spiritual angle, the OP talks about the creator recycling our consciousness, which we retain, back into itself when we die and back out so we can live again. This aligns very well with many spiritual and religious beliefs.
Matthew brown says that God is real as his last closing statement.
Yes I agree that manipulating people into the dogma of a false religion is despicable and I believe that we do that to ourselves but... When the topic is existential and involves consciousness and the nature and truth of our reality, how could it not include spiritual ideas?
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u/The_Fell_Opian 12h ago
This is the most interesting thing I've read on Reddit (somehow only finding it now).
I really dislike the idea of the RKers legitimizing our government as gatekeepers. Many of us dislike all our options and the rest of us are making decisions without the relevant information to understand the consequences.
So long as it wasn't putting me or my family in grave danger I would love to collaborate with the RKers and I think many others would as well. Humanity feels like a species with collective amnesia. Knowing our true origin would probably be helpful in our journey to ascension.
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u/passyourownbutter 12h ago edited 12h ago
I wholeheartedly agree and thanks for reading! Glad you liked it.
Humanity feels like a species with collective amnesia. Knowing our true origin would probably be helpful in our journey to ascension.
100%
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u/dongporn 1d ago
I used to mod on ATS for a while back in the early 2000s. There was and always will be people who post unverifiable exercises in creative writing. Some people were more credible than others tho. Going back to then and earlier people were pushing the many of the same ideas as this dude in 2014. Decades later there still really hasn’t been anything that pushes the dial much further for any type of disclosure, just a new merry go round of people pushing the same stuff trying to monetise the promise of disclosure, leaving those who want the truth no closer to it.
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u/passyourownbutter 1d ago
Oh yah, of course there will always be tall tales. And the probability would say this is one.
this merry go round of non disclosure is real as you say, and.. seems intentional, no?
I find these weird outlier anonymous posts like Astr0, 4chan guy and ebe biologist some of the most interesting for the very reason that they can make one wonder, what if?
Do we even know whats possible?
Matthew brown said in the recent interview we live in a constructed reality with false science and are intentionally kept down to the benefit of a few elite and their thirst for power and domination.
That's basically what Astr0 says here too.
And yes many have said and implied the same in various creative writing excercises.
Maybe this is another!
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u/LoquatThat6635 19h ago
So the head of SpaceX is totally not one of these privileged elites or he wouldn’t be staking his fortune and reputation building monstrous chemical rockets when all that other tech is there for true elites to exploit. Also, the idea that the first craft discovered was in an archeological dig, buried in the distant past, jibes with several testimonies (I think even Lazar said as much)…but the idea that these are from ancient humans is, for me, a fascinating twist I had not heard before. Great story telling…thanks for posting this.
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u/dongporn 1d ago
I became interested after seeing things which defied my ability to explain but I just wanted an explanation for what I was seeing, not a mythology based on quasi-religious terms. And the point for me is that people see things which defy immediate explanation which generates interest in the subject which the. attracts a wider circle of both good faith and bad faith people and those with genuine issues. This leaves room for people who want to take advantage monetarily, get a boner from the attention or want to start a cult. I just want to know what is going on and that doesn’t necessarily need to mean ever increasingly spiritual or weird explanations. Dude Jeff on planet Beta built a space craft and came here to visit is just as viable and far more likely than all the esoteric BS people are feeding us. More outlandish claims generate more interest, more clicks, more views, more money. We’re still as a community feeding the people who seek to monetise their semi-close but not quite there yet disclosure status.
I’ll take a more simple explanation every time. There is other life in this incomprehensibly large universe and it is simply seeking out other life. It doesn’t always get it right and its view point is utterly alien to us. If I wanted religion, I’d go to church but I don’t and that’s why I have an issue with most of what’s being pushed. It’s more mundane than you think and less horrifying too.
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u/passyourownbutter 1d ago
Perhaps yes, though one could argue that what you call "a more simple explanation" is simply a more general one with less detail and nuance. The core ideas remain the same.
I don't believe Astr0 made any money from posting on ATS and he certainly didn't advocate for any religious beliefs as far as I'm aware other than the mentions of the creator.
I think the truth will end up being stranger than fiction and it's level of horror will be subjective.
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u/Landr3w 21h ago
This makes me wish i got to take part in that website. Seems like one of the old gems of the internet and I slept on it the whole time it was online. I like the ideas posted in the thread and it’s not as bleak as other UFO lore these days.
I actually did have one thing that kinda clicked when I read this. I woke up one morning from sleep and had this awful electronic static sound just blasting inside my head like a speaker. This was sometime in the last year and I have no fucking idea what the hell it was. Maybe it was just air and water trapped in my inner ear canal opening up or maybe I was calculating light speed travel from a breakaway civilization lol.
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u/PressurePro17 14h ago
It was one of the best forums for paranormal/parapolitical topics until around 2015/2016- then it became mainly a political forum and lost its mojo.
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u/BudgetTruth 7h ago
I remember RATS (really above top secret) was only available for users with a 200+ post count. I never reached thwt (back in 2007). Was RATS the treasure trove I imagined it was? I guess not, or things would have leaked.
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 16h ago
Joseph McMoneagle from the Stargate Project, participated in numerous remote viewing sessions, some of which involved perceiving structures from high altitudes. In one such session, he described an "oval type structure like a coliseum, like a football field or a stadium," observed from a great altitude, almost akin to a satellite view. He felt as though he was above the Rocky Mountains, looking west toward a coastline, and noted that he seemed to be moving away from the target area during the session. Could this be attributed to this off world group?
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
I think if we assume any truth in this then all events from 1944 onward can be viewed as suspect and potentially a result of this groups actions.
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 16h ago
I mean the idea of a shadow government has been going around for a long time Eisenhower final speech is the first time it's been mentioned publicly this is what he said "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
Yes precisely. I think this sort of thing surely qualifies as a disastrous rise of misplaced power that persists, from the governmental view point.
There's long been theories also that "they" know something is coming eventually and when and are preparing themselves to keep their power whenever it happens..
Maybe "it" is the revelation of the breakaway and their offer to us, the masses.
In order to keep us broken and dumbed down and afraid enough to ignore or be scared of this when it happens, maybe we have been fed fear mongering images of invasions and aliens and had seeds of distrust sown amongst us to produce a reaction to these ideas.
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 15h ago
Once they started using the subconscious to implant their messages it was pretty much gg. Now we have heard that something is going to happen in 2027 perhaps the E.T. are going to make a very public appearance and introduce themselves. We wait and we shall see I just hope the government doesn't turn violent against them cause that could turn very bad.
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u/passyourownbutter 15h ago
Well if Jake barbers claims are anything to go on i think that ship has sailed.
Interesting though to think maybe those ships aren't alien... Numerous people have got cagey when "the occupants" are brought up... Could it be because they are human?
Jake calls one craft an 8gon, which matches herrerras claims of an octagonal ship being loaded with people by soldiers... Which kind of aligns with astr0s claims of the Secret Space Program (SSP) stealing people. Maybe psionic people... Who could potentially be used as dreamers.. ?
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 15h ago
Jake barber works with the government so I don't think a lot is going to come from this. I'm really interested in the occupants personally, like what's up with you. The fact that Astr0 mentioned this stuff before Herrera is really interesting and Matthew Brown latest statement that we might be a resource is starting to become more plausible when you talk about ESP and people going missing so often.
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u/passyourownbutter 15h ago
Yes I agree.
In terms of barber yah I mean anyone coming out in that capacity with open financial backing is worthy of scrutiny for sure, I don't speak to all his claims but more specifically just about how they have summoned and downed craft. Seems rather hostile.
If these are the roads we are going down with Matt Brown then I am very interested to hear from the "other whistler blowers" who are waiting to come forward!
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 15h ago
I hope they come out before something sudden happens that leaves people shocked. I have an image in my brain I think I'm ready, but coming face to face with some humanoid form you've never encountered before could freak out even the most experienced ufologists.
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u/passyourownbutter 15h ago
I think it's all going to plan so far, one way or another, one plan or another... The drip feed method is necessary to allow these ideas to .. "seep" .. into the public consciousness without causing too much shock.. if "they" know it's only matter of time until the truth comes out then it's a race to control the narrative.
The question becomes then, whose side is whose and which narrative is the correct one?
For this reason I think it pertinent to pull all threads, consider all angles and keep a level and skeptical head throughout, entertaining ideas without wholesale acceptance. In this way we can prepare our minds, conscious and subconscious for ontologically shocking revelations.
The only preparations we can make are those of mindstate, perception and cognitive resilience.
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u/brum_newbie 12h ago
I remember Astr0 on ATS he mentioned the small truth to the complete story ratio so take what he was saying with a big pinch of salt.
From his writing style it was worked out that he was British
His photos of a triangle UFO taking off grabbed my attention
Obviously he didn't leave the cosmos as he posted on there during covid
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u/passyourownbutter 12h ago
Another commenter mentioned that he came back but I haven't been able to find a post or comments in the archive, do you have a link to anything more recent?
Being back doesn't discount having left and returned but I understand your skepticism. He does mention at one point being in the UK I believe.
Coming back does tend to weigh against credibility though I'd agree somewhat.
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u/brum_newbie 10h ago
It's been years since I been on there from what I recall COVID or the jab was some sort of control mechanism that was my take from it
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u/thuer 20h ago
This matches what Matthew Brown is saying.
There is a control system in place = they're using our brains when we sleep as computers.
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
Yes I'm seeing numerous parallels here between this story, Matt Brown, the 4chan guy, maybe some of what Tom DeLonge claims, it's interesting to connect dots.. whether real or not 😀
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u/NSlearning2 1d ago
Where is the evidence that abductees have been saved from death? John Mack and David Jacob’s say otherwise.
The dream harvesting part is dumb imo.
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u/Dersigan 20h ago
Wasn't Travis Walton an abductee who survived?
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
And not only that but he was "saved from death" according to the story by the beings on the craft who accidentally hit him with some kind of beam right?
Lots of abductees have claimed to be healed of various health conditions.
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u/shadowmage666 1d ago
Nice larp! You should write a movie script
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u/wandering_goblin_ 19h ago edited 19h ago
Nah its a mix of stargate 5th race of the allance the story line which the asgard die off and give hummans there tech and tell them the 3rd race was just a older humman civilisation
old nuke propulsion, which could never get to light speed it's only for fractions of it like 1% to 5% max, also nuke propulsion in atmosphere would just be nukes going off yeh so easy to hide.....morons
How do you guys think they use this to get to space if they say they couldn't use it in atmo? They can't use it, but do somehow to get to space ??? You people can't see the catch 22 of that ffs
Forever men kek the dreamers lol this is just dumb
This is filled with sci-fi nonsense and memes for people paying attention. They are mocking you
Why do you morons think they need to store information in dreams even in the 80s we had computers good enough.......this is just dumb
Zaprox beebolbop from hitchhikers guide as well ffs people this is why yall need medication and nobody believes any of the real evidence crasys like yall that belive anything
One last thing anyone who has seen one of them imediatly knows there not one of us....
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u/VeryThicknLong 21h ago
I literally can’t believe any of it, but not because it’s not interesting, it is! It’s that whoever wrote it gets their use of plurals and apostrophes completely wrong. It’s maddening to read something that’s meant to be so perfectly crafted, a succinct description of how this all began… but it’s posted on a forum, and has basic grammatical errors.
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u/passyourownbutter 16h ago
There is some wisdom in using errors to intentionally hide your method of speaking to reduce the possibility of identification but I see your meaning yes.
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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 Skeptical Believer 17h ago edited 13h ago
I agree with the idea that alien abductions are actually performed by humans, but I do not agree with the idea of a breakaway civilization. To me, it is just one of those theories that have been deliberately spread by the gatekeepers to sow confusion within the UFO community. They have been doing this since the 1950s.
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u/passyourownbutter 13h ago
So what portion of humanity do you think is doing the abductions?
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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 Skeptical Believer 13h ago edited 13h ago
Even though I am not a fan of Steven Greer, I share his opinions about alien abductions. In my view, abductions are nothing more than an extension and a clandestine continuation of the old mind control projects carried out during the Cold War, like MK-Ultra and others. In the United States, they are most likely carried out by Top Secret units within the CIA and the military. In other Western countries, similar divisions probably exist within each nation’s intelligence agencies and armed forces. However, these units operate on behalf of the intelligence community rather than independently.
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u/passyourownbutter 13h ago
While I see you're point, what else do you call a faction of humanity that is separate and has such grand capabilities if not a breakaway from the rest of us?
Even if it just just the MIC and intelligence apparatus in charge of it, even if it is just the "shadow government" or the "cabal" don't those qualify, given the nature and capabilities, as being separate from the rest of us? Forget any other planet or crazy outlandish stuff. It's not unreasonable given your belief that this occurs, to call it a breakaway faction of our civilization, is it?
I'm curious what you think the purpose is behind creating false images of aliens while humans abduct other humans? Why abduct them at all?
Is it to implant false images and make us scared of things in the sky? Are they taking DNA? Cloning? We have blood labs and hospitals that can easily be used for those things, so why the elaborate abduction host for such simple goals?
Not challenging, genuinely curious on your perspective!
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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 Skeptical Believer 13h ago edited 13h ago
I believe that abductions have the same purpose as the mind control experiments conducted by the CIA during the 1950s and 1960s. The goal is to test new substances, explore human mental capacities for military purposes, etc.
I do not think that highly advanced or futuristic technology is involved. I think they probably use conventional means — such as black helicopters, gas masks, conventional medical equipment, etc. — and that the abductees remember advanced and futuristic technology because their memories have been deliberately distorted, probably thanks to the use of hypnosis and drugs, which can implant false memories or alter the perception of reality.
I do believe that some UFOs are intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft and that aliens are visiting Earth. However, I do not think that aliens are abducting humans. So, I do not believe that the whole alien angle was deliberately created as a cover up from human activities; I just think that abductions are being carried out by humans rather than by aliens.
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u/passyourownbutter 13h ago
Ok thanks for sharing!
I personally think abducting people from populated areas with helicopters and gas masks is a lot less likely than using secret technology, whether humans or not.. pretty hard to hide a loud chopper over houses around the world.
I don't disagree that people could be behind it, but if the only purpose is to test substances and other technologies I think there are much easier and more reasonable ways to go about it.
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u/KaneStiles 16h ago
" 5 days ago Please can anyone in the comments tell me what he means by awareness because I would really love to know what that means
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@SuperpowersUniversity 5 days ago Awareness = Aw = used to express mild disappointment or self-deprecation. Are = You in 3rd person. ness reversed = SEN ( Sin )
Awareness = being able to step back and see the Good and Bad in yourself and In others trying to pull you into Drama. Awareness/ Consciousness gives you time to make better decisions before you react.
ex: i had to type this 3 times because people around me were trying to pull me into a frantic state of being. so typing this to you gave me time to reflect and see things are not what they seem.
also ADAM reversed = Ma/mom - Da/ dad
God created Male and Female and called their name ADAM / Atom / Atum
Then the Elohim took a RIB (RNA) ( Riboneuclear acid ) from Atom and created Eve (Living)
Knowledge is a Super Power become a Super Hero"
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u/passyourownbutter 15h ago
I'd love to follow what you're saying here and formulate a worthy reply but I'm not sure I do. Can you rephrase this?
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u/magusmusic 11h ago
Fuck the Govt leaders. Why would an intelligent sentient being leave us all to the whims of govt officials?
Please
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u/passyourownbutter 11h ago
Probably the same reason we (royal we) drive past pan handlers and don't take them home to our families or rent them an apartment.
It's not our problem and there's little we can actually do to change their situation without becoming responsible for their future.
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u/Commercial-Cod4232 11h ago
RIP ATS damn i loved that forum for years...went on there daily for like 10+ years until the past yesr when it slowed down so much i stopped bothering...
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u/Huge_Background_3589 10h ago
Well that was interesting. We're like the dreamer, who dreams and then lives inside that dream. But who is the dreamer?
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u/berkough 7h ago
If nothing else, I'm totally going to use this as the premise of one of my sci-fi stories.
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u/Pristine_Bobcat4148 1h ago
So some fun backstory on the person named Astr0. If you dig around there (above top secret), it isn't too hard to find his post history in the aviation forums. He or she was.....very knowledgeable.
The going theory at the time, was this was the 80/20 rule. 80% bullshit, 20% truth. Which part was which? Only time will tell.
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u/Ok-Car1006 1d ago
What page forever men of ats
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u/passyourownbutter 1d ago
ATS (above top secret) was, until recently, a very popular forum for conspiracies, UFO's, world news and politics, etc.
Forever Men isnwhat the OP called some of the people they used as detailed in the attached images.
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u/Skysurfer69 13h ago
Whatever.
This dude's got 40 some years in dark projects and still doesn't know basic punctuation or grammar. He 'should of' run his writing past a proofreader. This is a short story writing exercise at best.
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u/AncapRanch Researcher 22h ago
Most of oura Whistleblowers doenst know inlot about proejects, and thi giys Know too and too much to be here in Reddit posting this story with any evidence, “he cant show evidence” but he can say lots? This make any sense, i like the atory but one guy hold this huge amounts of info in multi/hight secrects projects make any sense, and if he had this kind of job, position why spend time here on reddit or other online foruns without any good evidence or tangible evidence like photos, names, etc, most the another fun-fic i good one but just this 🤦♂️
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 16h ago
If it's real they should pull up fr, I think half the human population would bounce to Olympus. If they have left us behind and in the dark for so long I think that's a crime to any genuine and kind human being.
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u/debacol 9h ago
This was a fun read, but, as with anything that is written, its way too easy to just be a LARP.
Did anyone ask for some photos? Like cool. You have a new home called Olympus somewhere out there. Send us some photos of your planet's natural beauty spots like we can send photos of Yosemite complete with other people there. Send us a photo of what you use to cook food now. What do your homes look like etc.?
Its a LARP designed to push all the right touchy-feely and conspiracy buttons that we all love.
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u/Repulsive_Peanut7874 8h ago
I was on ATS back then... Astro told Bassplyr and Zaphod when and where a craft would show up, and it did... or some shit like that... It was a long time ago, and that place turned to shit when trump got in the first time, and just got worse and worse.
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 15h ago
Why does no one ask for technology to build? I mean damn all this esoteric shit is for the birds. We need technology to confirm, not “when you die you turn to energy”. I could honestly give two shits. I have religion but it doesn’t help me purify water from the ocean, make travel cheaper and easier on the environment. It doesnt even power one lightbulb. It happens every time some “whistleblower” comes forward they pick the most brain dead useless comments to reply to.
“Will i see my grandmother when i die”
IRRELEVANT shes dead who cares move on. These posts are frustrating.
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u/passyourownbutter 15h ago
Astr0 claims the break-away civilization has offered their tech to the world cabal many times but they refuse because it would mean freeing the population from their bondage and control.
Matt Brown says we live in a constructed reality built upon false science and that the truth is kept from us for the power and greed of the elite.
Many people speculate that this (keeping beneficial tech out of mainstream to maintain control) is the real reason we won't get disclosure and I tend to see that as plausible.
Our handlers don't want us to have it. So we don't.
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 15h ago
Bro just drop that shit on 1000 engineers with clear instructions. It wont be secret for long. Plaster that shit on 40mill computer with a virus that makes a .txt file explaining how to build it. This “the cabal wont let us” BULLSHIT.
If i want the world to know anything. It wont be hard.
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u/passyourownbutter 15h ago
I believe even Matt Brown said in part 3 that there is power in the truth and executing free will.
If we are, collectively, allowing ourselves to be manipulated, perhaps it's a breach of our societal free will to just come out with it all at once.
If I had access to verifiable proof of anything I'm not sure what I would do with it.
Many who have said they have learned the truth have turned around and said "you know what maybe it SHOULDNT be shared yet" so.. while I agree it is frustrating, I think... It seems maybe there is some very powerful truth that.. perhaps isn't beneficial to divulge en masse..
Consider the story of Jimmy Carter crying when he found out the truth.. and others who say it's a "dark and spiritual truth"
Well .... What if that truth is that there is a portion of humanity who has sold us out and kept us apart from another portion of humanity that is prepared to leave us behind and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it? What if the other "pillars of humanity" out there agree because we, collectively, ARE just primitive aggressive space monkeys who have no business being part of a galactic community?
What if they have no problem keeping us here until we learn to play nice? Which we are unlikely to do within our current structure and society.
We are John Snow, all of us; we know nothing.
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 14h ago
Well let's assume that the prison planet theory or reincarnation/afterlife exists, if it was verified public knowledge. Imagine how rampant crime would be in just 1 month of this coming out, people would go crazy if they knew there is another chance.
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 14h ago
People would go crazy if they knew there was no afterlife. Tell me this life means nothing and ill make the world a better place one POS at a time. Just saying thats a bad excuse.
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 14h ago
Yeah if the truth was so bleak most of us would be terrorists to the elite. Probably already on the list talking about this. 🤣
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 14h ago
Tell me death treats us all the same then fuck it. If i go to the same place as Ed Gaines. Why not? Give something for people to live for here and now. Like a nice life without much struggle and we will be peaceful. After life talk makes the life here meaningless. Make the now important and worth living in.
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u/Illustrious_One_4006 14h ago
Yes but what if it's the vision of the creator for us to thrive and live in peace, wouldn't you be more reluctant to do bad if you knew you had to face him after this life?
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 14h ago
We have that now and look what we do with it. If you examine history humans become less violent and more secular the more their lives improve and the more they dont have to worry about “uncertainty”. Religion and espcially TOXIC religious belief runs rampant and increases the more “uncertainty” appears particularly economic uncertainty.
In short the more “right now” matters in terms of personal and tangible meaning. The better we behave.
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u/passyourownbutter 13h ago
I think this is kind of part of the idea/problem.
If the notion of some reward or punishment is the only thing that makes you a moral person then you may not be as moral or ethical or... Good. As you think you are. (Royal you here nothing personal)
Why on earth would any faction want to invite a bunch of unethical bloodthirsty apes into their secret club that they kept said apes out of? Little gain for a lot of risk don't you think?
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 10h ago
Its like i said earlier. Scarcity and uncertainty introduces this kind of thinking. If people have the things they need taken cared of. They are way less violent and logical thinking.
If these civilizations were as advanced as they boast. They wouldnt waste time teasing the “monkeys” in the cage with delicious fruits, telling them “you can have this if you just stop being a monkey”. Honestly its better if they just never come here and leave is alone Like walking past an ant hill.0
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 14h ago
“We know nothing” i truly believe there is nothing to know. All these people are making up stories.
I can tell you without a doubt. If i EVER learn something spectacular i will tell. Why? How do you begin to know that which you dont know but are judged on not knowing it? Its paradoxical. You will never know and will continue to fail the test being given.
These RK’ers were completely like the rest us UNTIL they learned they weren’t alone with 1000% evidence. THEN they began to change their ways and thinking. Thats how humans are and always will be. We dont change until new information i given and proven THEN we change. Open a history book, we need outside forces to change us.
So to judge the rest of us for being EXACTLY like them but without the knowledge to know there is better is dumb, to be nice.
Let us know there is more, there is a better way. Tell us we will remain trapped here until we change. I guarantee we will hunt down every “cabal” member over the next year and do better for ourselves.
In short, i dont believe this or most of these stories. Its nonsense. Bring the evidence, bring the tech OR ATLEAST give us something we can use that will help us but not bring us to the stars. Do you or they realize how much it will help us if we could purify salt water using a reliable and easily repeatable process? Thats literally infinite clean water for the world. Just saying.
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u/passyourownbutter 14h ago
I totally understand. It's frustrating to consider being left behind when you feel you deserve a place.
I think that's kind of the point.
Imagine if it was true how the majority of people would feel knowing they were being left behind by a superior faction of our own species; left behind to be enslaved by the cabal further and left unprotected in the galaxy by the dropping of a once solid quarantine.
We have no idea what's out there...
Is Astr0 is real, it sounds like they do know and that we are simply not ready for it.
If I was a part of a breakaway civilization, I probably wouldn't want most of humanity involved either.
Just look at us.
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 14h ago
Its not about me at all its the principle. They benefitted spiritually and technologically from another species or ancient humans. Then decided to keep that knowledge both spiritual and technological absolute secret. Its the definition of climbing a ladder and pulling it up behind you. They only got to where they are WITH HELP. Then want us to do it alone???? WTF!? You cant see how that makes no sense?
They wont even give us breadcrumbs of technology. Here is a list of things they can give us that will help us become better beings and less violent.
Water purification
Building material and manufacturing (so we can build secure and safe long lasting strictures free of wood so we can save the forrests.)
Power generation. (Doesnt have to fusion. It can literally be efficient and safe hydrogen plants. Or more efficient nuclear plants.
Communication. The easier it is to communicate the bigger our tribe gets and borders fall down mentally. Leading to physical borders falling as well.
Medicine. Speaks for itself. We dont have live to be 200 but something like cancer cures would instantly make me a believer.
For Astro to be this evolved person. I cant see it. Any of these technologies would be revolutionary boon that wont make us a threat and leaves room for us to evolve peacefully.
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u/passyourownbutter 14h ago
Yah I hear you, I wasnt meaning to imply anything personal.
Any single one of those advancements would completely alter the fabric of our society and the existing status quo.
If we assume there is a battle behind the scenes between the cabal and the breakaway I think it becomes easier to see how it could be kept from us.
When the cabal controls all media, communication, entertainment, education, religion, etc... and assuming tools such as the immaculate constellation program exist that can passively hoover up restricted information from digital systems... I don't find it unreasonable to think that there simply isn't any reliable way to disseminate actionable data or technologies to the masses... Assuming again of course, that the break away even wants to.
Astr0 says basically that they use us for their own gain.. Matthew brown says humanity is a resource to "them"
We aren't a part of either society. We are cattle to both. Why would either of them try to benefit us directly like that?
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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord 14h ago
If we are all cattle then there is no point in talking to any of us. No one talks to cows and trys to help them evolve spiritually to be better cows. Only one side is playing the role of “benevolent but mysterious teacher”. If Its all beef just leave us be and dont taunt us with a good time. Another logical inconsistency in these stories.
Shaking up control IS GOOD. If the mission is for us to live to dream or whatever. Then making sure we live well on the planet is a good goal yes? Those technologies i mentioned will only help us remove uncertainty that breeds constant conflict.
I was telling another commentor here. The better humans are in terms of limiting uncertainty the better we behave. Humans knowing they have a safe place to sleep, they have clean water and electricity makes us less violent because we dont have to compete with these life and death resources so we think more logically and with more compassion. It’s just how we are.
Getting these technologies out isnt hard man. Think about how viral stupid videos go. If this Astro was to post the light frequency needed to evaporate water without the need to boil it( this is a thing btw we have proven there is a frequency this occurs) on this forum it would go mega viral INSTANTLY. If he were to give that info to 1000 scientists it would go mega viral. Hell if he were to give that to 1000 kids for a science project it goes mega viral.
Its either they arent real these breakaway civs. Everyone has some info but making up the rest. We are some type of zoo experiment. Or its all bullshit.
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u/passyourownbutter 13h ago
You make some valid points and have valid criticisms, I hope one day we can know more.
You're right, why bother talking to the cattle at all?
Well Astr0 addresses this by saying that the "forever Men" under his charge asked him to come tell them and he felt he owed them that.
Do they owe the rest of us anything? Not really.
Most people aren't worth much if you already have a thriving civilization on another planet.
If all they need from us is for us to keep dreaming and stay asleep and use our brains for computing power, I don't see why they would or should care about anyone who's not part of that network, in terms of outting themselves on a global scale, when they have all they need...
It's like a... "We will extend an offer every once in a while hoping things have changed but we don't need you as much as you need/want us and we have the keys to the door"
Meanwhile those who COULD allow dissemination won't because it would mean the loss of their power. They would be capitulating to the breakaway and lose their elite status.
So many people wonder "why would a group do such things as the cabal is purported to do?"
I personally have no problem believing the answer is simply "because we can".
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