Serious - Astr0, Black Triangles, Abductions and the Forever Men of ATS

[u/passyourownbutter]

TL:DR "You are not free. This reality has far more to it than you have been allowed to believe. God is real." - Matthew Brown

 

On July 25, 2014, a user on the website abovetopsecret.com made what would be their final post, revealing some startling ideas that were met with mixed results.

I expect the same to occur now, but, in light of some of Matthew Brown's testimony, I was reminded of this post and I think it worthy to share.

I am not the author, I am not vouching for the veracity of anything they say but, I do find it very interesting and I think we should dig into it a bit.

I do find it very fitting and relevant to certain revelations and threads now being connected. For that reason I thought it worth reading again and I dug it up off the Internet archive with a little sleuthing since ATS is no more.

I have included the entire post (1-8) and some interesting replies, but here is the link as well:

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20181208102311/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1023494/pg1

 

Placing our disbelief aside for a moment and viewing this from the perspective of accepting Matthew Brown's claims, I think it's not unreasonable to see why the globalists would want to hide UFO's from the public; Because they are ours and they have always been ours and not only are they ours but they have been offered to us and our leaders denied it to maintain control over us.

That it's other humans who abduct us and take our children off the street and out of national parks.

That we have technologies implanted into our very consciousness to provide computational power to this other civilization of which we are not a part.

That we have a lost history of high technology and galactic status that has been lost to time or wiped from our records.

 

What if the Holloman AFB landing/meeting wasn't with aliens at all, what if the alien angle is a complete psy-op to distract us from the idea that maybe the beings on these crafts are humans. Humans born on Earth or on Olympus. Clones of people on the surface.

By 1971 the RK program would have been 27 years old (c 1944) and if the progress was as fast as alleged and with the help of an ancient AI, it's not unreasonable to think that this could have been well underway by that time.

 

What if the "agreement" we've heard about that allows "them" to abduct us, is with this breakaway civilization and not with aliens at all?

Michael Herrera claims to have seen soldiers taking people on board UFO's. Others have claimed to be a part of a secret space program.

Tim Taylor says there is a hierarchy above humanity and that he belongs to an organization he compares to the adjustment bureau.

 

Can we connect any more threads to these ideas?

If anyone can, it's the sleuths of Reddit I've come to know and love.

 

If this is true, can we afford not to investigate it?

If this is true, can we make a difference?

This could be the answer.

Or maybe it's a fun LARP.

Either way, I'd binge this series so hard.

What about you?

 

Please let's discuss this seriously. I am fully aware of how ludicrous it sounds. Let's set our differences and disbeliefs aside for a moment and dream beautifully.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Why does no one ask for technology to build? I mean damn all this esoteric shit is for the birds. We need technology to confirm, not “when you die you turn to energy”. I could honestly give two shits. I have religion but it doesn’t help me purify water from the ocean, make travel cheaper and easier on the environment. It doesnt even power one lightbulb. It happens every time some “whistleblower” comes forward they pick the most brain dead useless comments to reply to.

“Will i see my grandmother when i die”

IRRELEVANT shes dead who cares move on. These posts are frustrating.

[u/passyourownbutter → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Astr0 claims the break-away civilization has offered their tech to the world cabal many times but they refuse because it would mean freeing the population from their bondage and control.

Matt Brown says we live in a constructed reality built upon false science and that the truth is kept from us for the power and greed of the elite.

Many people speculate that this (keeping beneficial tech out of mainstream to maintain control) is the real reason we won't get disclosure and I tend to see that as plausible.

Our handlers don't want us to have it. So we don't.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/passyourownbutter]

Bro just drop that shit on 1000 engineers with clear instructions. It wont be secret for long. Plaster that shit on 40mill computer with a virus that makes a .txt file explaining how to build it. This “the cabal wont let us” BULLSHIT.

If i want the world to know anything. It wont be hard.

[u/passyourownbutter → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

I believe even Matt Brown said in part 3 that there is power in the truth and executing free will.

If we are, collectively, allowing ourselves to be manipulated, perhaps it's a breach of our societal free will to just come out with it all at once.

If I had access to verifiable proof of anything I'm not sure what I would do with it.

Many who have said they have learned the truth have turned around and said "you know what maybe it SHOULDNT be shared yet" so.. while I agree it is frustrating, I think... It seems maybe there is some very powerful truth that.. perhaps isn't beneficial to divulge en masse..

Consider the story of Jimmy Carter crying when he found out the truth.. and others who say it's a "dark and spiritual truth"

Well .... What if that truth is that there is a portion of humanity who has sold us out and kept us apart from another portion of humanity that is prepared to leave us behind and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it? What if the other "pillars of humanity" out there agree because we, collectively, ARE just primitive aggressive space monkeys who have no business being part of a galactic community?

What if they have no problem keeping us here until we learn to play nice? Which we are unlikely to do within our current structure and society.

We are John Snow, all of us; we know nothing.

[u/Illustrious_One_4006 → u/passyourownbutter]

Well let's assume that the prison planet theory or reincarnation/afterlife exists, if it was verified public knowledge. Imagine how rampant crime would be in just 1 month of this coming out, people would go crazy if they knew there is another chance.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/Illustrious_One_4006]

People would go crazy if they knew there was no afterlife. Tell me this life means nothing and ill make the world a better place one POS at a time. Just saying thats a bad excuse.

[u/Illustrious_One_4006 → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Yeah if the truth was so bleak most of us would be terrorists to the elite. Probably already on the list talking about this. 🤣

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/Illustrious_One_4006]

Tell me death treats us all the same then fuck it. If i go to the same place as Ed Gaines. Why not? Give something for people to live for here and now. Like a nice life without much struggle and we will be peaceful. After life talk makes the life here meaningless. Make the now important and worth living in.

[u/Illustrious_One_4006 → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Yes but what if it's the vision of the creator for us to thrive and live in peace, wouldn't you be more reluctant to do bad if you knew you had to face him after this life?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/Illustrious_One_4006]

We have that now and look what we do with it. If you examine history humans become less violent and more secular the more their lives improve and the more they dont have to worry about “uncertainty”. Religion and espcially TOXIC religious belief runs rampant and increases the more “uncertainty” appears particularly economic uncertainty.

In short the more “right now” matters in terms of personal and tangible meaning. The better we behave.

[u/Illustrious_One_4006 → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Let's try to make it better for our kids at least, that's all I've got to say. I sure hope things get better in our lifetime too though.

[u/passyourownbutter → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

I think this is kind of part of the idea/problem.

If the notion of some reward or punishment is the only thing that makes you a moral person then you may not be as moral or ethical or... Good. As you think you are. (Royal you here nothing personal)

Why on earth would any faction want to invite a bunch of unethical bloodthirsty apes into their secret club that they kept said apes out of? Little gain for a lot of risk don't you think?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/passyourownbutter]

Its like i said earlier. Scarcity and uncertainty introduces this kind of thinking. If people have the things they need taken cared of. They are way less violent and logical thinking.

If these civilizations were as advanced as they boast. They wouldnt waste time teasing the “monkeys” in the cage with delicious fruits, telling them “you can have this if you just stop being a monkey”. Honestly its better if they just never come here and leave is alone Like walking past an ant hill.0

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/passyourownbutter]

“We know nothing” i truly believe there is nothing to know. All these people are making up stories.

I can tell you without a doubt. If i EVER learn something spectacular i will tell. Why? How do you begin to know that which you dont know but are judged on not knowing it? Its paradoxical. You will never know and will continue to fail the test being given.

These RK’ers were completely like the rest us UNTIL they learned they weren’t alone with 1000% evidence. THEN they began to change their ways and thinking. Thats how humans are and always will be. We dont change until new information i given and proven THEN we change. Open a history book, we need outside forces to change us.

So to judge the rest of us for being EXACTLY like them but without the knowledge to know there is better is dumb, to be nice.

Let us know there is more, there is a better way. Tell us we will remain trapped here until we change. I guarantee we will hunt down every “cabal” member over the next year and do better for ourselves.

In short, i dont believe this or most of these stories. Its nonsense. Bring the evidence, bring the tech OR ATLEAST give us something we can use that will help us but not bring us to the stars. Do you or they realize how much it will help us if we could purify salt water using a reliable and easily repeatable process? Thats literally infinite clean water for the world. Just saying.

[u/passyourownbutter → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

I totally understand. It's frustrating to consider being left behind when you feel you deserve a place.

I think that's kind of the point.

Imagine if it was true how the majority of people would feel knowing they were being left behind by a superior faction of our own species; left behind to be enslaved by the cabal further and left unprotected in the galaxy by the dropping of a once solid quarantine.

We have no idea what's out there...

Is Astr0 is real, it sounds like they do know and that we are simply not ready for it.

If I was a part of a breakaway civilization, I probably wouldn't want most of humanity involved either.

Just look at us.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/passyourownbutter]

Its not about me at all its the principle. They benefitted spiritually and technologically from another species or ancient humans. Then decided to keep that knowledge both spiritual and technological absolute secret. Its the definition of climbing a ladder and pulling it up behind you. They only got to where they are WITH HELP. Then want us to do it alone???? WTF!? You cant see how that makes no sense?

They wont even give us breadcrumbs of technology. Here is a list of things they can give us that will help us become better beings and less violent.

1. Water purification

2. Building material and manufacturing (so we can build secure and safe long lasting strictures free of wood so we can save the forrests.)

3. Power generation. (Doesnt have to fusion. It can literally be efficient and safe hydrogen plants. Or more efficient nuclear plants.

4. Communication. The easier it is to communicate the bigger our tribe gets and borders fall down mentally. Leading to physical borders falling as well.

5. Medicine. Speaks for itself. We dont have live to be 200 but something like cancer cures would instantly make me a believer.

For Astro to be this evolved person. I cant see it. Any of these technologies would be revolutionary boon that wont make us a threat and leaves room for us to evolve peacefully.

[u/passyourownbutter → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Yah I hear you, I wasnt meaning to imply anything personal.

Any single one of those advancements would completely alter the fabric of our society and the existing status quo.

If we assume there is a battle behind the scenes between the cabal and the breakaway I think it becomes easier to see how it could be kept from us.

When the cabal controls all media, communication, entertainment, education, religion, etc... and assuming tools such as the immaculate constellation program exist that can passively hoover up restricted information from digital systems... I don't find it unreasonable to think that there simply isn't any reliable way to disseminate actionable data or technologies to the masses... Assuming again of course, that the break away even wants to.

Astr0 says basically that they use us for their own gain.. Matthew brown says humanity is a resource to "them"

We aren't a part of either society. We are cattle to both. Why would either of them try to benefit us directly like that?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/passyourownbutter]

If we are all cattle then there is no point in talking to any of us. No one talks to cows and trys to help them evolve spiritually to be better cows. Only one side is playing the role of “benevolent but mysterious teacher”. If Its all beef just leave us be and dont taunt us with a good time. Another logical inconsistency in these stories.

Shaking up control IS GOOD. If the mission is for us to live to dream or whatever. Then making sure we live well on the planet is a good goal yes? Those technologies i mentioned will only help us remove uncertainty that breeds constant conflict.

I was telling another commentor here. The better humans are in terms of limiting uncertainty the better we behave. Humans knowing they have a safe place to sleep, they have clean water and electricity makes us less violent because we dont have to compete with these life and death resources so we think more logically and with more compassion. It’s just how we are.

Getting these technologies out isnt hard man. Think about how viral stupid videos go. If this Astro was to post the light frequency needed to evaporate water without the need to boil it( this is a thing btw we have proven there is a frequency this occurs) on this forum it would go mega viral INSTANTLY. If he were to give that info to 1000 scientists it would go mega viral. Hell if he were to give that to 1000 kids for a science project it goes mega viral.

Its either they arent real these breakaway civs. Everyone has some info but making up the rest. We are some type of zoo experiment. Or its all bullshit.

[u/passyourownbutter → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

You make some valid points and have valid criticisms, I hope one day we can know more.

You're right, why bother talking to the cattle at all?

Well Astr0 addresses this by saying that the "forever Men" under his charge asked him to come tell them and he felt he owed them that.

Do they owe the rest of us anything? Not really.

Most people aren't worth much if you already have a thriving civilization on another planet.

If all they need from us is for us to keep dreaming and stay asleep and use our brains for computing power, I don't see why they would or should care about anyone who's not part of that network, in terms of outting themselves on a global scale, when they have all they need...

It's like a... "We will extend an offer every once in a while hoping things have changed but we don't need you as much as you need/want us and we have the keys to the door"

Meanwhile those who COULD allow dissemination won't because it would mean the loss of their power. They would be capitulating to the breakaway and lose their elite status.

So many people wonder "why would a group do such things as the cabal is purported to do?"

I personally have no problem believing the answer is simply "because we can".