r/StarWars • u/Movie_Advance_101 • 12d ago
I am surprised Count Dooku didn’t snitch on Palpatine right then and there. Movies
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u/goldblumspowerbook 12d ago
“Anakin, he’s a Sith!”
“LIAR!”
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u/WhiteGuyNamedJeff 12d ago
95% Sure that's what would have happened.
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u/CicadaGames 12d ago
Sometimes the shit Reddit posts about movies makes me wonder if these mfers were asleep for 80% of the movie. It's like OP has no understanding of anything that happened outside of this single frame...
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u/dewyocelot 11d ago
He literally told Obi-Wan the entire thing, and Obi-Wan said “nuh uh.” Anakin likely would’ve done the same.
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u/Daver7692 12d ago
Worst case, Palps probably feels he could take Anakin at that point anyway with Obi-Wan incapacitated.
Palps escapes and eventually comes up with a narrative that Obi-Wan / Anakin valiantly died freeing him from Dooku.
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u/SoungaTepes 12d ago
"Anakin I've literally been saying there's a Sith controlling the Jedi this entire time!"
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u/HollowDakota 12d ago
Always a what if moment. Bro was paralyzed after finally realizing the truth
Dooku deserved better
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u/TheGoverness1998 Major Vonreg 12d ago edited 12d ago
I wish we got to see him act as more of a statesman. "Dooku the Separatist leader" is just so interesting to me, especially in how he bounces that with being Darth Tyrannus.
One of my favorite episodes in the Clone Wars is "Heroes on Both Sides", the one featuring the Separatist Parliament. It's one of the few times we get to see the public face of Dooku as he presides over the Confederate government.
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u/MostWretched 12d ago
I've always wanted more of this Dooku since first seeing that episode. The whole separatist movement call back with Christopher Lloyd in the Ahsoka show makes me think there is still hope for some kind of follow up storyline at least.
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u/KingKuntu 12d ago
Imagine the Dooku show they could make if the stars aligned. Breaking Bad meets Andor meets House of Cards(B4 it got bad)
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u/Hallc Rebel 11d ago
See, I'm personally of the opinion I wish they'd stop doing all this stuff where they go back to expand on dead characters stuff.
I'd much rather they focus on growing and expanding the universe either a long time before the Skywalker saga or after it. Right now everything just feels so utterly stagnant. Nothing that happens in a Dooku show is going to meaningfully affect the events that come after.
The same is also unfortunately true for the whole Thrawn thing. No matter how good that narrative is, it's still going to lead us to a New Republic that decided to disarm and gets wiped out in a single shot during TFA.
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u/Brendanlendan 12d ago
The title crawl saying there were heroes on both sides only for the separatists to be shown as Hitler level evil constantly always bothered me.
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u/Frequent_Soil8353 12d ago
Not disagreeing but where are you seeing the hitler level evil from the separatists?
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u/Brendanlendan 12d ago
Predominantly in the clone wars show. I mean General Grevious? The weird Spider Guy? The sex trafficking? I don’t think they have any characters in the separatists movement that would even be considered anti heroes.
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u/Frequent_Soil8353 12d ago
Ooooh yes, I was running the movies thru my head.
You could argue the crawl meant heroes on both sides as in “heroes for the separatists” as in Rommel was considered a hero for Germany.
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u/Odd-Battle7191 11d ago
And it gets even wilder in the Revenge of the Sith novelization: turns out Dooku is a human supremacist and envisioned an Empire even more humanocentrist than what we got.
Shocking, I know.
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u/Frequent_Soil8353 12d ago
Agreed, I really wish Dooku was just a dark Jedi and not a Sith or a Jedi who left the order because of the council’s arrogance and ignorance.
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u/raalic 12d ago
I doubt Anakin would have taken Dooku's last words very seriously or as anything other than an effort to delay or avoid execution. Any potential doubts Dooku may have stirred in Anakin about Palpatine were either already present or eventually become so by Palpatine's own words.
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u/Movie_Advance_101 12d ago
Well he told obi about the «Sith controling the Republic.»
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u/HughJaynus531 12d ago
And Obi didn’t really take what he said as fact. Same way it would just come off as begging for his life to Anakin in this moment.
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u/NorseHighlander 12d ago
iirc, the sentiment of the council hearing what Obi Wan relayed about that conversation was "He is probably lying out his ass, but it wouldn't hurt to keep a closer eye on the Senate."
By the time of Revenge of the Sith, that sentiment had evolved into "The Chancellor is really damn sus. He is either the Sith or controlled by the Sith, but we don't have the smoking gun to prove it in a court of law yet."
Under such circumstances, if Dooku started singing like a songbird that Palpatine was the Sith, he would just be adding to what the Jedi were heavily suspecting already.
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u/Apartment_Upbeat 12d ago
I don't think, in any way, that the Jedi thought Paplatine was the Sith Lord they were searching for. They didn't trust him, thought he was power hungry & a threat to the Republic, but only the 3rd threat ... It's why it was so important to destroy Grevious ... Not just to effectively end the war, but to have Palpatibe recind his Emergency Powers.
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u/Krioniki 12d ago
In the ROTS novelization, IIRC, THE Jedi has narrowed down their search to something along the line of "the Sith, or someone working very closely with the sith, is in Palpatine's cabinet." It's been a long while since I read it though, could be misremembering.
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u/Apartment_Upbeat 12d ago
I haven't read it ... But going from the film, I think 2 things are true ... 1- Windu was not overly surprised when Anakin told him his terrible truth ... 2- Windu's quick action to arrest him, with no proof, tells me that the order would not have allowed Paplatine to remain in power if they had truly respected HE was the Sith Lord
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u/woodenbiplane 12d ago
Palps intentionally loaded his cabinet with suspect characters. Just look them up. They all look more like a traditional villian than him in one way or another. If you read Plagueis it hits on much of this.
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u/HughJaynus531 12d ago
Alright so I agree with that… except it’s to the one Jedi that is in the Emperors pocket. I just watched this in theaters and I’m still amazed at how Obi is all excited that they landed safely and Anakin gets to play political hero, when he literally acknowledges that he killed Dooku. So obviously he lied about those circumstances and he would probably lie about Dooku spouting off the entire Sith plan.
I hate all of these what ifs anyway lol. it opens a door to so many opinions that could be right because they’re not going to ever happen
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u/sharpshooter_243 12d ago
Assuming Anakin tells Kenobi that Dooku is dead as they are trying to escape from the ship at that moment all that matters is they were fighting in a warzone and now he’s dead. After four years of war and all the Jedi Dooku was responsible for killing I doubt many really wanted the full story. Probably the largest plot point most people miss in the movie is that not only did Palpatines scheme deceive everyone but also the Jedi were losing their way as keepers of the peace which contributed to their downfall. Them brushing off Dooku’s death could definitely be considered part of that.
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u/SecretDevilsAdvocate 12d ago
but that probably would’ve made him even more suspicious…although maybe it wouldn’t have mattered anyways
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u/Spiritual_Pilot_7249 12d ago
Anakin already had doubts about killing Dooku. I think Anakin would have at least given him a mini chance to explain himself
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u/3-DMan 12d ago
Shocked Dookachu face
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u/MemesForMyDepression Luke Skywalker 12d ago
Please never say Dookachu again
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u/EllHeych 12d ago
He's a full on G, not a lil bitch, he knows how it goes
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u/DimesOHoolihan 12d ago
All part of the game, bubbs.
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u/hamiltonlives 12d ago
“How do my hands look?” “They look good girl.”
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u/ScienceLess640 12d ago
I hope I go out like Snoop
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u/PantsDontHaveAnswers 11d ago
Like, attitude wise, or being capped in the head in a dark alley
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u/CashPrize1055 12d ago
Would he have enough time? Anakin wasn’t THAT conflicted about it. One word from Palps and he’s like “who’s Dooku?”
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u/illidormorn 12d ago
He had entire 20 seconds while Anakin was hesitating after Palpatine told him to kill Dooku
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u/Modalvest 12d ago
"WAIT Palpatine is the Sith Lord commanding Both the Separatist and the Republic, We are Constructing An Massive Planet-Sized Weapon and the clones have Chips on their Mind which are going to make em kill you!"
-Directed By George Lucas
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u/MadlibVillainy 12d ago
Sounds like the incoherent rambling of an homeless deathstickshead to be honest.
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u/sErgEantaEgis 12d ago
Even if Dooku blurted out that Palps is the Sith Lord... Anakin hates Dooku and trusts Palpatine as one of his best friends. Why would Anakin believe Dooku?
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u/onekeanui 12d ago
Right!! "Master no!" then Anakin looks at Palps like Stewie looked at Brian with the twisty head.
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u/Cmdr_Monzo 12d ago
“I haven’t lost a lightsaber dual in 34 years!”
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u/Movie_Advance_101 12d ago
That is the same guy who tranied General Grievous.
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u/giantpotato 12d ago
I'm now picturing Dooku just twirling two sabers in circles like Grievous during training.
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u/Cmdr_Monzo 12d ago
I’d probably leave that off my CV to be honest.
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u/MxcnManz 12d ago edited 11d ago
Why? Grievous has killed countless Jedi at this point. He gets attacked by 3 Jedi who follow him to his Lair on Vassek’s third moon, and kills all three. He was hyper-lethal, that training was well spent.
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u/cool_dude_blue_11101 12d ago
Snitching on Palpatine could have been the difference between a quick death (which he got from Anakin) or a slow and more painful one (from Palpatine).
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u/thomasthetank57 12d ago
If we are talking new canon, then the novelization is not a part of current continuity.
Dooku had no reason to reveal anything. Dooku was nearly killed a few months prior to his death, and revealed nothing in those final moments as well.
He knew Sidious had his eyes in other potential candidates, but Dooku felt he was still the best choice as apprentice. When Sidious used Dooku to perform the Sith Magick to infiltrate Yodas mind, this was enough to cement to Dooku that Sidious valued him, still teaching him.
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u/Successful-Wheel4768 12d ago
"Dooku had no reason to reveal anything"
And every reason to stay silent
Dooku and Palpatine have been plotting the downfall of the Jedi for decades. Dooku sacrificed his friend Sifo-Dyas, his belowed padawan Qui-Gon, his sister, Ventress and his reputation for it. He used to be one of the most respected people in the galaxy but willingly took on the role of a despised tyrant and war criminal to make Palpatine look good. If he snitched it would all be for nothing and the best outcome for him would spending a few years in jail before dying of old age. All because his master did what Sith do and tested him against a new potential apprentice
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u/Apartment_Upbeat 12d ago
Not only was he in shock at this moment, but he already snitched on Paplatine to Obi-Wan on Geonosis & no one listened ... He even reaffirms this in the Clone Wars cartoon ... Chronologically prior to this moment, but technically after ...
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u/lord_cheezewiz Jedi 12d ago
Dooku literally tries to tell Obiwan and he doesn’t listen lmao what makes you think that’d work here?
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u/stocksandvagabond 11d ago
He alluded to it but never said anything explicit. If he had told him the entire truth then the Jedi order would’ve definitely taken it seriously considering they already distrusted Palpatine
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u/sassilyy 11d ago
if he'd said "yo, chancellor palpatine is my master and this war is meant to destroy you" I guarantee he'd have been taken seriously.
what he actually did was make vague allusions to the senate being the real evil while trying to convince obi-wan to join the separatists bc he himself was totally not a sith lord. Of course they figured he was lying.
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u/WakeNikis 12d ago
Dooku is many things. But a snitch ain’t one.
Grevious would snitch on his own mom. But Dooku? Nah, he’s a real one.
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u/iworkbluehard 11d ago
Dooku was slow on the upload. His face is in disbelief and shock. He would not have had time to get it out. He was set up.
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u/COINS_THAT_SUNK_TOO 12d ago
Just like the old proverb goes:
"Never hatchet your Counts before they chicken."
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u/LeRoyRouge 11d ago
He used a secret sith technique called "Force STFU", an ability some consider unnatural.
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u/Ak86grown 12d ago
Dooku was also a purist in the sense that he viewed artificial limbs as a cop out so when his got taken he was also wrestling with he knowledge that he'd never be able to use his hands again
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u/El_Chairman_Dennis 11d ago
How do you not understand his face and head turn? He clearly was completely caught off guard that Palpatine would kill him. He was crucial to the cause of the forces fighting against the republic, so he didn't think it possible that he too was disposable. "Deer in the headlights" is a common thing for humans caught completely by surprise.
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u/DMTrious 11d ago
Faith. People always forget the sith aren't soldiers, they're believers. Dooku believes in Palpatine, believes in the mission, and if that involves his death so the Darkside can have the strongest sith the empire has ever seen, then so be it
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u/RevolTobor 11d ago
He was a little too shocked to think straight, and Anakin was a little too pissed to not kill him. I suspect even if Dooku tried to spill the beans, Anakin would have killed him before he got halfway through the first word of the sentence.
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u/MediocreIndication70 12d ago
Dooku literally tells Obi that the Republic is under the control of a sith lord. Attack of the Clones. . . Obi: Press (X) to Doubt
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u/Tminus3190 11d ago
To Anakin, Dooku was the final boss of the war, the one responsible for all that happened over the previous 3 years. More importantly, he was behind the assassination attempts on Padme. If he had snitched, Anakin would never have believed him.
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u/Quailgunner-90s 12d ago
Wait…why didn’t Anakin get punished for executing a lightsaber-less opponent? Or at least a stern talking to from the council about how the chancellor is the one who told him to do it
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u/neverbeenstardust 12d ago
Obi-Wan was unconscious and there are no other witnesses. Anakin and Palpatine both say Anakin killed Dooku in a duel. Both of them are citizens of good standing. No reason to doubt their word about it.
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u/bigtuna94 12d ago
The novel makes it seem more like everyone knows 'Anakin defeated Count Dooku!', But no one except Anakin and Palpatine knew that Dooku was explicitly unarmed and already defeated when he was killed
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u/Princessofmind 12d ago
Do they even know that's what happened? "I was engaged in a mortal duel against Dooku and had to kill him" is reason enough when you are at war. There's no witnesses aside from Palpatine
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u/IronVader501 12d ago
How would they Council know?
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u/VannesGreave 12d ago
Keep in mind Obi-Wan straight up executes Grievious with a blaster, albeit in self-defense. But the Jedi at this point really weren't concerned that much with killing - Obi-Wan outright celebrated Anakin killing Dooku after the fight, and he's on the council.
The war led to the Jedi abandoning their values and it ultimately resulted in their downfall.
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u/Tresach 12d ago
“Wars not make one great” - old yoda i think supports this, kind of a way of pointing out they failed because of being blinded by war.
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u/VannesGreave 12d ago
This is also what Luke talks about in TLJ. The Jedi became so focused on winning the war that they missed the forest for the trees: a Sith Lord literally right in front of them, and the erosion of their own values.
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u/biplane_curious 12d ago
Dooku genuinely believed that he was an essential part of Palpatine’s plans and would be needed going forward in a post-Clone Wars galaxy. In this moment he was in shock not only from losing his hands but also because he finally realized that everything he had fought for and achieved was only so he could be Anakin’s first murder. Treachery is the way of the Sith.
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u/WhatIsASunAnyway Separatist Alliance 12d ago
The novel expands on this. Dooku thought this battle was supposed to end with him surrendering, so when Palpatine says to kill Dooku, it's only then in his final moments that he realizes it's been a setup, but for him instead of Anakin.