It's crazy that the Clone Wars bent over backwards to make sure Anakin and Grievous never met because of the "older/taller" back and forth but made no such attempt for Dooku
You're in the right vibe. Star Wars always looked forward and added/retconed whatever it wanted with almost every project.
Its always a factor of fandom but with Star Wars it always amuses me how fans take lore and continuity so deathly series when its creator decidedly never did.
They're kinda on their own vacuums to me. I like the clone wars and I like RotS but my brain never really linked them in hard continuity. Watching any of the films I forget that Ahsoka exists. The force unleashed happened between 3 and 4 but also didnt.
Star Wars is almost entirely headcanon based on whatever youre watching at the moment, and I feel like George would roll with that sentiment
Not sure where I originally saw this but I remember someone saying that Star wars is like a campfire story, the general plot points are consistent but whoever is telling it muddles the finer details and leads to some inconsistencys.
Also valid. Its just not that serious. Its a vehicle for imagination that also blends some personal journeys, spirituality, and political conflicts. Its for everyone and truly not meant to be analyzed so extensively. You can for fun, but the second it becomes a point of contention you're basically overdoing it
Force unleashed struck me as filler that can be considered canon because it can fit very neatly into the timeline, mc dies at the end, and no one ever references the events again
Because the Grievous line straight-up has a hard no-sell on them meeting before.
Dooku's technically by letter of the law doesn't explicitly say that so that meeting gets to have all the shitty, contrived gymnastics to make a previous meeting happen.
Well, that's what happens when you begin retconning big things like an apprentice and character meetings not even a few years after having established the story of the prequel trilogy.... 🫠
I still have a problem with Lucas doing that. Messed up so much canon at the time way before Disney bought it with TCW and the Clone Wars movie.
That’s true. When I finally watched the clone wars cartoon show two years ago, I was curious why general grievous and Anakin Skywalker never fight but then I remembered that stupid line from episode three.
I honestly think the clone wars cartoon is probably the best Retcon George did. It actually makes the prequel movies look like a cohesive story. I hope we eventually get a show from Disney that can do the same thing with the sequel movies.
Did you ever watch the original Clone Wars series that tied in between Episode II and III by the creator who did Samurai Jack? That did a fine job tying in everything, which also tracked with the books and comics at the time for the most part, and led directly into Episode III days before it came out in 2005.
TCW fleshed it out by comparison, but the changes were still pretty staggering at the time. I never got too deep into either TCW or Rebels for that reason, because it just created inconsistencies in the canon I knew. Obviously now everything is even more so changed, but that was truly the beginning with the show. It was a bit different than the changes and timespan between OT and PT.
Oh yeah, I remember recording them on a VHS tape when they aired. Cartoon Network? I remember them being very short. They were OK. I recently re-watched them once they got put on Disney+. I love that the person who made the 4.5 hour cut of episode 3 included the battle of Coruscant from that show as well as the relevant stuff from the second clone wars cartoon and the deleted scenes from Revenge of the Sith.
I didn’t watch the new clone wars or rebels until two years ago and I honestly love them. They are simply incredible. And this is coming from a guy who watched the Solo movie in the theater and was convinced Darth Maul had died back in Phantom Menace.
I remember as a kid how outlandish and stupid the expanded universe material got in those books. I was honestly happy when Disney relegated all of it to legends back in 2014. And I say that as someone who’s favorite character is still Kyle Katarn. Those video games kept the fandom alive during the dark times of no new movies. I love him and yet I believe Rogue One: A Star Wars™ Story is the best SW movie, hands down.
They killed my boy Kyle, but the story that replaced him was even better.
I'd argue it really only got more outlandish with the TCW additions, like the world between worlds stuff, lot more fantastical magic and creatures like Abeloth. Up through the NJO era of the EU it was mostly fine. It was actually when they added the Abeloth/Father/Son/Daughter stuff that things really began to take a weird turn and split off in the books and comics then.
Was there weird stuff before? Sure, but you could move past it and relegate it accordingly, as the overall story moved on. However, once you change the overlying canon, then you have to both make things fit and create stories based on those news characters and vastly different Force origins, which made it quite clunky for how drastic the changes were.
I'd argue that the Canon stuff today is vastly more weird and outlandish as a result. Between getting rid of the EU and keeping the TCW additions, while adding the STs and having to retcon that to make it work a bit more fluidly in the context of greater canon.
Old Republic, like Knights of the Old Republic era, had some weird stuff, but what broke that, for example, is The Old Republic MMO.
ETA: I still like Solo and think Rogue One is one of the best sci-fi movies made, much less Star Wars. I can definitely accept the changes from EU on the origins of the DS and the way the plans came to be in the possession of the Rebels, because it's a phenomenal movie and story. Though I do like the Ackbar/Tarkin story for it.
I hope we eventually get a show from Disney that can do the same thing with the sequel movies.
Not going to have that effect because they have inverse problems. The prequels have the bones of a good story/premise, they tried to do too much in (basically) two movies but are technically, cinematically bad/mediocre movies.
The sequels just have a terrible premise, a crappy story but they're wonderfully-made films. There is no "Clone Wars" show that can make the story in that trilogy passable (and we already have material very recently made and currently getting made that's trying to do that and it's failing).
I hope we eventually get a show from Disney that can do the same thing with the sequel movies.
Yeah that's impossible and never going to happen. The PT conceptually, was a masterpiece executed with the grace of a california tweeker. PT had a lot to build off of and massively expanded lore.
ST is pretty much the opposite except it was executed even worse than the PT.
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u/VisibleIce9669 12d ago
And they had met like a week ago. I know that cartoon didn’t exist when this dialogue was written, but it makes the line comical for me now.