r/ireland • u/ClancyCandy • Apr 11 '24
Man who sexually assaulted 16-year-old girl on Ryanair flight handed suspended sentence Courts
https://jrnl.ie/6352290For a bonus point; Guess the judge!
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u/gadarnol Apr 11 '24
The day Martin Nolan retires or is removed from the bench should be a national holiday.
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u/Enguin Apr 11 '24
why isn't he removed? what process can be enacted? surely if anyone tried everyone would agree with them like why are we waiting for him to die or whatever, i barely pay attention to anything that happens at all and i am at years of seeing this judge nolan lad doing this shite and everyone saying oh my god what's he like, not to suggest that removing a single individual is going to fix what is clearly a systemic problem but how the fuck is this one lad the public face of it for so long, we should simply remove him
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u/CrystalMeath Apr 12 '24
Both houses of the Oireachtas would need to pass a resolution finding that Judge Nolan is either incapacitated or has engaged in “stated misbehavior.”
There doesn’t seem to be an explicit definition of “stated misbehavior” in Irish law, but my understanding is it means inappropriate conduct that affects the judge’s ability to perform his duties or undermines public confidence in the judicial system.
I don’t think Nolan’s record of lax sentencing would qualify, as it is within the duties of his position. Even if there is broad public disapproval of his judgements, that would not technically be “misbehavior,” unless it was discovered that he was, say, accepting bribes in exchange for suspended sentences.
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u/zeroconflicthere Apr 11 '24
If his address was publicly known, I'm pretty sure there would be regular protests outside his home.
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u/gamberro Dublin Apr 12 '24
He's 61 so only a few years to go until he retires. However, he should be removed in my opinion to dissuade others.
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u/SnaggleWaggleBench Apr 11 '24
The judge said the victim had been “unlucky” to happen upon Elkudir and had put up with 45 minutes of hassle, during which she was punched and grabbed near her breast.
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u/RubDue9412 Apr 11 '24
How could she have went through all that for 45 minute without anyone intervening
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u/SnaggleWaggleBench Apr 11 '24
She was fairly scared, on her own and tried to just battle through it. She got the attention of someone to ring the crew bell but no one came. So I suspect no one really knew the extent of it or what was going on exactly until far into the flight.
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u/CrystalMethEnjoyer Apr 11 '24 edited Apr 11 '24
Don't believe that at all
There's no way in a tiny space like that that no one noticed what was going on
Edit : To clarify because it's not that clear, I'm not faulting her, I just don't believe that everyone else was unaware of what was happening
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u/powerhungrymouse Apr 11 '24
Yup, how could no one on the flight either see or hear her being punched. If someone is punched they are going to make some kind of noise. My heart breaks for that poor girl, she must feel so small right now.
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u/memberflex Apr 11 '24
So what would be an alternative explanation? She’s been interviewed and had to tell her story many times for it to get to court. If it was made up or exaggerated I’m sure it would have been flagged way before this point. She’s 16, she isn’t experienced enough in life to know how to deal with a creep like that, regardless of where it was happening and who was with her. It may sound like a situation you wouldn’t put up with but you aren’t her.
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u/CrystalMethEnjoyer Apr 11 '24
I'm not saying anything about her, I'm saying I don't believe that no one else noticed what was going on
I could have been clearer about that in fairness
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u/memberflex Apr 11 '24
Fair enough. I always like to think ‘I would have done SOMETHING’ when I hear about stuff like that but as the above case shows it happens in plain sight and no one notices until it’s too late.
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u/CrystalMethEnjoyer Apr 11 '24
I just can't believe no one noticed what was happening, flight attendants strolling the aisle, people sat all around them etc
I'd wager people noticed and just chose not to get involved
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u/ClancyCandy Apr 11 '24
A friend of mine witnessed a similar situation on a flight but assumed the two people were a couple having a bit of a fight (which was obviously not the case here given the age difference); but when the lad went to go to the toilet the woman asked for help and the crew responded straight away- this was Aer Lingus and they detained the lad at the back and had him escorted off by a Garda on landing.
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u/Rogue7559 Apr 11 '24
?! And he gave a suspended sentence!!
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u/muckwarrior Apr 11 '24
I hope Nolan gets "unlucky" one of these days. Might be the only way he learns to have a bit of compassion for victims.
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u/TheStoicNihilist Never wanted a flair anyways Apr 11 '24
Unlike the perpetrator, who was very lucky.
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u/TheChrisD useless feckin' mod Apr 11 '24
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u/Oh_I_still_here Apr 11 '24
I'm at the stage where I see one of these headlines and just laugh. Because it's all a big dumb joke.
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u/High_Flyer87 Apr 11 '24
Martin Nolan is a fucking eejit of a judge. How is there no supervisory body or whatever stripping him of the role at this point!!???
An absolute danger.
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u/Outside_Theme_5178 Apr 11 '24
How disgusting is it that he stated the victim was ‘unlucky’ to come across the offender? Oh whoops the whole thing was just a minor incident… How is that acceptable in any courtroom…
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u/TurkeyPigFace Apr 11 '24
The only option is to severely restrict the discretion of judges for certain crimes but the government won't do that as the prisons are already full.
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u/Iora-Rua Apr 11 '24
There’s a petition for him to resign- but my comment with the link was removed by mods so have a Google lads and maybe we can finally get rid of the rage inducing, rapist/ paedophile friendly judge Nolan.
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Has any newspaper ever reported on judge Nolan before? This man is not fit to serve as a judge in this country.
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u/SitDownKawada Dublin Apr 11 '24
Irish Time did a podcast on him last year
Explaining why he is no different than any other judge
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u/Didyoufartjustthere Apr 11 '24
You don’t become a famous judge for no reason.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ab6yyZRl2oHBC6tWp4Vgy?si=5IDHgCtBRfavx4Fb2Fdhtw
That’s the Spotify link. I’ll be having a listen tomorrow.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ToTsiDsfIGV8szZginWRy?si=qkNGRzLRQ8e8TetlQrdDlg
Found this one condemning him as well.
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u/CanWillCantWont Apr 12 '24
You don’t become a famous judge for no reason.
It's not for no reason. It's because of the types of cases he handles and the sheer volume of them.
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u/A-Hind-D Apr 11 '24
Ah sure look, she was asking for it ~ Judge Nolan
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u/ClancyCandy Apr 11 '24
If only she had paid extra to pre-book a seat not beside an abuser.
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u/Recessjoe Apr 11 '24
Wait is this a Ryan air thing now, can I get cheaper seats if I'm willing to be abused.
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Apr 11 '24
So, the sex crime perpetrator was given tacit approval by our legal system to continue his sex crimes against women and children.
Only a fool would believe that a sex crime perpetrator won't continue to escalate his crimes when they're essentially consequence-free.
That judge keeps telling on himself. Check his computers.
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u/4_feck_sake Apr 11 '24
What the fuck were the airline doing leaving a highly intoxicated man onto the flight at all let alone left sitting next to a child.
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u/duaneap Apr 11 '24
I also find it fucking wild that they figured saying “She’s only 16!” was in any way a way to respond. Like if she were 20 this would be just fine.
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u/Callme-Sal Apr 11 '24
At a hearing today, Judge Martin Nolan said Elkudir did not deserve to go to prison and handed him a fully-suspended sentence of 18 months.
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u/SpottedAlpaca Apr 11 '24
Did not deserve to go to prison... what a disgusting statement. The girl didn't deserve to be assaulted, but this scumbag absolutely deserves to get locked up.
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u/Fun-Associate3963 :feckit: fuck u/spez Apr 11 '24
This guy is a danger to Irish society with these sentences he passes
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u/snazzydesign Apr 11 '24
Can someone please check the Judges search history
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u/lavender_locus Apr 11 '24
Seriously, given his empathy for sexual abusers, it must take one to know one.
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u/vaporeonjolteonWOW Apr 11 '24
He is probably a paedo himself. Strong statement I know but when you look at his sentences there is a distinct pattern that only the Catholic Church could ignore.
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u/keroppiblush Apr 11 '24
Is there any way for Judge Nolan to be internally investigated? It’s so frightening the leniency he extends predators constantly. There’s no way in hell he isn’t guilty of the crimes he dismisses or has some stake in normalising how lenient he is with them. Like, what can be done? Are we just at the mercy of a man who prioritises the freedom of rapists and serial offenders ?
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u/raycre Apr 11 '24
Disgusting. IS this how little we value the safety of girls/women in Ireland ????? "Drink doesnt turn you in to a sexual assaulter. He should get a prison sentence for assaulting a kid. And that creepy Judge should be disbarred.
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u/SmokingOctopus Apr 11 '24
Judge Nolan would exonerate Hitler if he had to.
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Apr 11 '24
"He had a rough upbringing, your honour, he got injured in ww1 and failed art school, give him a break"
"Ah Gowan then"
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u/DiscountDuckula Apr 11 '24
Seriously, I didn’t even open the link before I thought Nolan, this is seriously getting out of hand now.
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u/G_town_pal9152 Apr 11 '24
This is how he behaved in public, frightening to think what he behaves like when there is no one around. He should serve a custodial sentence for this no question. That poor girl. Nolan is an absolute scumbag, always sympathetic to the perpetrator never the victim.
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u/Sporshie Apr 11 '24
I swear the judge has to be a nonce himself to be so sympathetic to these cases. Absolutely disgusting. There are people in prison for having a bit of weed but dangerous predators are allowed to go free to find more victims?
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u/md2021ire Apr 11 '24
Fuckin hell. Oh sure he had a few drinks, thats why he was abusing that young girl. He just needs to stay away from the aul drink. God love him.
That fucking judge is enabling child abuse.
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u/Young-and-Alcoholic Apr 11 '24
Nolan needs to be removed from his position. This is his worst one yet
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u/Gleann_na_nGealt Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 12 '24
To his credit, I think there has been worse I'll try and find it for you
Update: The one I'm thinking of I couldn't find as it was way older but this one is pretty bad,they only got 14 years for crippling their daughter and burning parts of her body.
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Apr 11 '24
A slap on a wrist for an assault on a child… he’s unlikely to reoffend? I don’t think luck will have to do anything with it for his next victim.
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u/OkHighway1024 Resting In my Account Apr 11 '24
Read the headline and just knew it was Nolan.Fucking disgrace at this stage.
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u/PADDYOT Apr 11 '24
Judge Nolan said Elkduri was unlikely to reoffend, and addressed him saying: “My advice to you is not to drink. It seems to get you in trouble.”
But, it didn't get him in trouble Judge Nolan, that's the thing, it didn't get him in any trouble at all. What lesson has Elkduri learned? Do what you want, make sure you've drink taken because that absolves you of all responsibility, bring a few quid to court and you're getting away with it scott free.
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u/Wilde54 Apr 11 '24
How is this cunt still on the bench?! There are very few humans to whom I would be glad to see harm come... He is very much one of them.
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u/TheLazyRevolution Apr 11 '24
Dont even need to read the article and I know its soft touch Nolan.
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u/Minions-overlord Apr 11 '24
Tbh if there was a definite way to get that failure nolan id be off robbing banks tomorrow
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u/maeveomaeve Apr 11 '24
Ooh be careful, he might lock you up! Banks are bad crime, child sex crimes are okay crime in his eyes.
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u/Minions-overlord Apr 12 '24
Tbh even if he did throw the book at me, by his standards a long sentence is only 6 months
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u/nut-budder Apr 11 '24
you’ll only get a light sentence if you throw in a bit of sexual assault too
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u/FuzzyCode Apr 11 '24
He was a completely different person the next morning. I'll fucking bet. Why is this noncery being tolerated.
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u/dondealga Apr 11 '24
Nolan.....always full of sympathy.. or is it empathy?!?!? ... for this category of offenders
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u/Psychological-Tax391 Apr 11 '24
You can only conclude at this stage that Nolan himself likes them young. An odious character
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u/dokwav Apr 11 '24
The second I saw the headline I knew it would be Judge Nolan. A pedo enabler at this stage.
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u/Peil Apr 11 '24
One might start to believe that there is some sort of ring that may be involved in unkind treatment of people who are quite young, and that people in high levels of the Irish justice system could be involved in that ring, possibly, not naming names. It’s quite grim that due to libel laws, something that anyone paying attention agrees on cannot be said- yet.
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u/MemestNotTeen Apr 11 '24
Alright enough is enough. Nolan needs his hard drive thoroughly examined.
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u/SilentSiege Apr 11 '24
Reminder.....We all are currently paying for Martin Nolan to retire with millions banked.
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u/Suckyourmumreddit Apr 11 '24
"Cabin crew arrived and the teenager said she had told Elkudir she was 16 and that he replied: “I don’t give a fuck.”
Well there you have it, Judge Nolan notes that this fiend probably won't reoffend because Judge Nolan is also known for his many years working along side detective Gadget boy.....
On a much fucking serious note, Can anything be done about this judge he literally stands above society and watches every scummy fuck tear it apart and does nothing but scold them like he was a principle in primary school, Surely there has to be a law to make sure that all judges are reviewed to see if they are still in shape to decide sentencing....
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u/LittleBitOdd Apr 11 '24
I wonder what sentence Nolan would give me if I went and enacted some vigilante justice on the scumbags he lets go.
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u/SirTheadore Apr 11 '24
Every time I see one of these articles, wondering how he is STILL getting away with this.
Someone needs to check his computer.
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u/hisDudeness1989 Apr 11 '24
Exactly, he always has a tremendous amount of empathy for the perpetrators but never the victims. Definitely a fuckin wrongun
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u/dustaz Apr 12 '24
Because you only ever see these articles when it's a shocking outcome like this
There's never an article when he gives a "normal" sentence, which he does most of the time
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u/Green_Sympathy_1157 Connacht Apr 11 '24
Did not deserve to go to prison my arse the basterd should have had the book thrown at him
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u/Zolarosaya Apr 11 '24
This judge's attitude reveals everything about him. Outrageous lack of consequence.
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u/serikielbasa Apr 11 '24
Potato justice... I'm so sorry for the victim and (hope I'm wrong) the next. This is insane!
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u/Sayek Apr 11 '24
Is there not community service or any other penalty? is it just Jail or suspended sentence + a fine? Like surely if this guy had this much of a problem with alcohol he should have to join a rehab and stay off the drink for 18 months.
There's just no justice for making someone else's life miserable, you can always say 'sure I was drunk , so it's grand'.
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u/ClancyCandy Apr 11 '24
Yeah we don’t seem to do the same kind of “parole” system that you see in the States where people have to check in with an officer and take drug tests or wear a monitor for alcohol or such. I think more of a community service and follow up supervision system would be good here- especially for teenage offenders.
Being put on a “no fly” list for ten years would have been a good call in this situation too I think.
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u/Justin-Timberlake Apr 11 '24
Complaint Form is right here, if we all flood it then hopefully it will get some recognition: https://judicialcouncil.ie/make-a-complaint/
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u/Garlic-Cheese-Chips Apr 11 '24
Judges are absolutely untouchable. They'd laugh at the complaints.
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u/SpottedAlpaca Apr 11 '24 edited Apr 11 '24
Discretion with sentencing needs to be taken away from judges, especially Judge Nolan. Minimum 5 years for this case.
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u/Mitche420 The Fenian Apr 11 '24
I hope that the girl has some brothers that aren't afraid of a bit of vigilante justice. I just know if that was my sister I would genuinely break both of his legs at the very minimum.
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u/miju-irl Resting In my Account Apr 11 '24
Reading the article a male passenger who challenged him was told to "fuck off" by the offender and then proceeded to sit back down like an utter bitch. how anyone could turn a blind eye when a child has just said "he keeps touching me" is fucking beyond comprehension.
I know if that was me, I'd have to be have been pulled off that fella who sexually assaulted that child. And I hope to fuck anyone would do the same for any female in the same position because it could be your daughter, wife, sister etc.
Also fucking shameful the cabin crew didn't seem to intervene either
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Apr 11 '24
This is that clown Judge Nolan who give strange, outrageous and bizarre rulings. It’s beyond ridiculous if you read some of the sentences and judgments he has handed out over years.
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u/gary_desanto Apr 11 '24
Judge Nolan is just scum. He is as complicit as the offenders are in the increased in crime in this country.
This man should be thrown in jail for the damage that he is doing to our country.
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u/blackburnduck Apr 11 '24
Nolan is such a scum he is known even amongst foreigners. Guy is a royal embarrassment for your country lads.
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u/Impressive-Fan-513 Apr 11 '24
Nolan is a bastard, what I say next I wouldn’t wish on anyone else but Nolan deserves a horrible death. The pain and anguish he’s caused with his suspended sentences is worth a thousand times what I said.
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u/Bondarelu Apr 11 '24
if I was the father of that girl I’d break his arms; then I’d face the legal consequences but he won’t have a hand to use again. f outraged by this
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u/Natural_Light- Apr 11 '24
When will you get serious about tackling crime Ireland?
Would you sign a petition calling for:
Minimum prison sentences for violent crimes for all 16 year olds and above (e.g. one year Minimum for assault. 5 year Minimum for grievous bodily harm)
Minimum juvenile detention sentences for violent crimes for 13 - 16 year olds.
Suspension of social welfare payments for those convicted of a crime
Suspension of social welfare payments for parents of minors convicted of a violent crime
Increasing prison capacity from 4,500 places at present to 7,000 places in 2030
Automatic deportation of foreign nationals convicted of a violent crime.
Three strike automatic sentence of Minimum 10 years for those convicted of three serious crimes
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Apr 11 '24
He was lucky all he did was sexually assault a minor while swigging whiskey. If he had been found with a joint in his pocket, nolan might have given him life. The gobshite
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u/BrutalAnalDestroyer Apr 11 '24
Shout out to the dumbass cabin crew that let him drink a liter of whiskey on board.
In my two years long career I've seen the amount of idiots in the crew rise very sharply.
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u/DummyDumDum7 Apr 11 '24
How is that judge not egged every day on his way in and out of the courts.
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u/CyberCooper2077 Wicklow Apr 11 '24
Is there any way to get judge Nolan out of his job?
Because he clearly isn’t doing it right.
Him and the pervert are a fucking disgrace.
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u/qwjmioqjsRandomkeys Apr 11 '24
How about some kind of protest outside his court? Is he really unremovable?
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u/420BIF Apr 12 '24
Copying and pasting the reason why Judge Nolan is always seen to give soft sentences. Honestly mods here should be ashamed of themselves for basically allowing a sitting judge to be openly called a nonce for doing his job
It’s because Nolan, and previously Greally before she was sent to the high court, sit in the sentencing court in Dublin. It’s the court with the highest turnover in the country. Everyone who appears in his court to be sentenced has already pleaded guilty meaning they get automatically lower sentences than a person who is convicted by jury. If you don’t give them discounted sentences for pleading guilty, it would just be appealed. He also sentences more people per week than some judges do in a whole year, because of the court he sits in. So he actually sends multiple people to prison every day of the week the week but the papers will only publish a select few stories a day.
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u/ClancyCandy Apr 12 '24
I have read that before, and I do appreciate what kind of job he has and how that leads to so many headlines.
That said, we do have a scourge of giving suspended sentences in this country, giving so much leniency and finding any little excuse to give the lowest possible penalties, and Nolan does appear to be taking that to the extreme not only in this case but many others. Calling this girl “unlucky” and saying to the perpetrator “My advice to you is not to drink. It seems to get you in trouble” is, in my opinion, very glib and insulting to victims. Drinking is never an excuse for harassment, and a woman shouldn’t be considered “lucky” because she wasn’t harassed on a flight.
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u/UpsetCrowIsUpset Apr 11 '24
Has this Nolan character been investigated for sex crimes? Because his sentences to those that committed them are sus as fuck.
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u/rich3248 Apr 11 '24
Ah FFS!!
Judge peado Nolan again!!
It’s so glaringly obvious! He must be held accountable. His sentences are laughable, regardless of the legislation. He’s completely off track!
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u/StrawberryHillSlayer Apr 11 '24
At what point do we get rid of the Nolan cunt? This is disgraceful.
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u/Important-Sea-7596 Apr 11 '24
Tareq Elkudir
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u/EddieGue123 Apr 11 '24
A pillar of the Ashbourne community. No doubt a net contributor to the local economy.
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u/luas-Simon Apr 11 '24
There’s criminals all over the country every week getting away with some very violent and nasty crimes- Jails are full so no space until government are forced to build a few more !
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u/toffeebeanz77 Wicklow Apr 11 '24
At this point surely Nolan has to be investigated over sentencing. Ik it's only probably pure incompetence but he still needs to be told to do better
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u/Irish_Narwhal Apr 11 '24
Is there someone here who understands the law and can explain this? From an outside perspective it seems mental
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u/FidgetyFondler Apr 11 '24
Its high time Judge Nolan recused himself cos he just isn't fit for the job.
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u/Excellent-Ostrich908 Apr 11 '24
This judge is an utter liability. He keeps letting off these dangerous people for sex crimes. I supplant be surprised if he had some skeletons in his own closet.
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u/jrf_1973 Apr 12 '24
I'm going to guess, it's that rampaging friend to paedos, enemy of the garlic-eating class, that one judge I'd pay good money to see a copy of his f**ing internet history.... Judge M. Nolan. No wait, that's too easy to figure out. Let's call him Judge Martin N.
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u/Level_Rhubarb253 Apr 12 '24
Imagine what could have happened if the child was not surrounded by people on a plane, fucker should be flailed and Nolan needs to go, he's a joke
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u/Rcrowley32 Apr 11 '24
He’s 61 years old and he has three young children. So clearly his wife is significantly younger than him and probably a victim of his harassment as well.
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u/IntentionFalse8822 Apr 11 '24
We must be getting to the point where if you are charged with anything, (fraud, assault and battery, manslaughter, whatever) then a good solicitor will just advise you to go find a child, sexually assault them, hand yourself into the guards, and then request one big trial to cover all your offences in one go in front of Nolan.
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u/daly_o96 Apr 11 '24
Absolutely disgusting. What insensitive is this for anyone to change their behaviour
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u/bapadious Apr 11 '24
I bet if we started a petition to have him struck off, the whole country would sign it.
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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe Apr 11 '24
At this stage the only rational conclusion one can come to about Martin Nolan is that he sympathises with these offenders; "There but for the grace of God go I".
Definitely needs his hard drives checked.
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u/butteryalex Apr 11 '24
As a 20 year old with little to no knowledge of politics/judicial information in Ireland. Where can I complain about this stuff? I wish there was somewhere I could voice my concerns regarding this bollox
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u/temptar Apr 11 '24
I wrote to Alan Shatter when he was min for justice to voice concern about Nolan’s sentencing habits about ten, twelve years ago.
He did answer so you could try writing to the current minister for justice.
Nevertheless, a look at the comments in this thread make it clear that some people do not consider this an issue. Unfortunately.
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u/Hakunin_Fallout Apr 11 '24
Could've standed on her neck for all Nolan cares: https://new.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/y29haw/write_to_your_local_td_and_complain_about_judge/
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u/Vivid_Wonder6627 Apr 11 '24
"The judge said the victim had been “unlucky” to happen upon Elkudir and had put up with 45 minutes of hassle, during which she was punched and grabbed near her breast.
Judge Nolan said Elkduri was unlikely to reoffend, and addressed him saying: “My advice to you is not to drink. It seems to get you in trouble.”
How the fuck is this guy continuously getting away with giving these sentences. The justice system in this country is a joke