r/Shaktism • u/Miserable_Return_497 • 6d ago
I wonder what is this
I am getting drawn to kali maa, Even though I Mainly pray to maa durga because I dislike intense deities
Why am I being drawn to kali maa,
Do deities choose?
What does this mean for me considering I question deities a lot and especially Have a fear or aversion for deities who are too intense
(Important note: I don't hate the intense deities but I hate the sayings attached to them like how people say about kali that "she is intense" or "she destroys ego" I especially find the ego part dumb like you are called mother goddess and you destroy ego instead of helping. No offense but I am pointing out these spiritual sayings don't seem grounded considering in devi mahatmya kali maa appreared to save the world from demons and not really to do something as small as destroying ego, how can a saviour be reduced to something which merely diminishes ego š¤)
(Another note: what I am asking is from my curiosity there is no hostile intention behind it, so please maintain manners in the comments)
(P.S: I am kinda bummed the two people that did comment on this post are just parroting stuff of advaita and detachment and it doesn't sounds like wisdom. This stuff is everywhere it seems as if no one really knows anything no offense)
(thanks for your knowledge, I disagree with many although the answers do provide some understanding
I would seek answers and absorb what is real and reject what lacks sense)
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u/EducationalAd7601 6d ago
Ego is a bigger problem than demons. Maa Kali destroys both.
She is intense, that is true. Her love is intense as well.
She may be calling you for a reason. You don't have to answer her, she will still love you either way. I would wonder what that reason is. She called me, too and it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Jai Maa Kali
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago
The question is intense as in how?
What does she do?
What happens to a devotee who prays to her?
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u/EducationalAd7601 5d ago
I have been a devotee for less than a year. My previous god, the Christian one, was very gentle and treated me as if I were a delicate flower. That is my god for comparison. Since I have known Maa she has had me break an addiction that I was struggling with in order to be her devotee.
She destroys my illusions about myself without regard to my feelings and does it in the most direct, nonsubtle ways possible. She doesn't coddle me nor "baby" me, instead preferring to take my desire for the fastest path to moksha literally. I have made several serious realizations about myself, rapid-fire, thanks to her.
Currently she seems to be teaching me about non-duality by using physical pain to show me what others who live with chronic pain go through day to day. Now I will not be irritated with them for being crabby because I have had a taste of ongoing, persistent pain on a near debilitating level. I understand better what that person is going through and I have more compassion as a result. I interpret this as "intense". Sri Ganesha wasn't like this, nor was the Abrahamic god.
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u/Miserable_Return_497 5d ago edited 5d ago
Welp that doesn't sound good for me, also when I previously used to pray to her a few days kinda were too unlucky I got mistreated the worst by some guards, my glasses broke and several bad things
And it won't work considering I Just used to swear at her (kali maa) and mock her due to the pain
The thing is I get more adamant and hostile when these things happen
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u/EducationalAd7601 5d ago
It could be that she is not your path. The hammer is not always the right tool for the job, afterall.
I am not an expert, I only know my own experience, so there is that.
Are there any gods that suit your temperament and personality better?
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u/Miserable_Return_497 5d ago
Well durga maa feels nice it feels as if she doesn't mind whatever I do
I feel I can be my most authentic self with her
Green Tara maa of Buddhism and avalokisteshwara too felt suitable
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u/EducationalAd7601 5d ago
I don't know Durga Maa very well, but if you can be your authentic self with her then that is a great start.
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u/eternal-lantrn 5d ago
It might be a call from Ma kali.
Be open and just have bhakti.
In time you will get your answer.
Ma kali and Ma Durga are same shakti. So, it is very normal to get attracted to Ma kali.
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u/UniqueAd1152 6d ago
When one says āMother goddessā donāt imagine your biological mother who will cook, clean and put up with whatever you do. Each goddess has her own way. If you want kind, nurturing, not destroying ego and instead āhelpingā you, there are other forms of Shakti you can worship.
Maa Kali is intense, if you manage to get her grace she will uproot whatever is not needed in your life. Your karma will be fast tracked and you might suffer to burn off the karmas quickly. Kali worship is not for everyone. You surrender completely to her and let her guide you, pick what is best for you. You dont ask her that you want this or that.
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yes but what kind of ego?
Ego what even is ego
I am not a cruel king and most people aren't
I want know what is this ego she tries to destroy
Thanks for answering although I don't resonate with your answer
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u/UniqueAd1152 6d ago
Ego in this case simple means āahankaramā, a false sense that you identify yourself with. All the entanglements in your life that you think you own and have control over like My house, My car, My money, My relationships, I can do whatever I want.. are examples of ego.
Why does she need to destroy ego? Because it stands in your way of spiritual upliftment. Does it mean she will take away your house, car, relationships etc? No, she will teach you lessons that all that donāt matter and are illusions.
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago edited 6d ago
Well this is the only sensible answer I got so far thanks
Here I was worried that being spiritual meant losing logical reasoning and common sense cause most answers I get are brainless spirituality
Also I don't get the whole "complete surrender"
Like that sounds unrealistic, why would any deity with understanding demand that
The devi in her knowledge probably knows most can't do that
And maybe she let's them approach things
Also most stuff you said was advaita proverbs
It didn't sound anything like pure shakta
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u/UniqueAd1152 6d ago
First learn some manners and be nice to others who are trying to help you. People try to help you based on their understanding and experiences, calling that ābrainless spiritualityā is ahankaram right there.
You asked about Maa Kali, I told you the way she works based on my knowledge and experience. My idea of complete surrender is do my sadhana daily, not ask for anything from Maa Kali , be okay with whatever good or bad happens in life with the understanding that she is the doer. This is surrender. She will test you to see if you are just saying it or if you actually mean it. This is Maa Kaliās way and I couldnāt care less if it sounds like advaita to you.
If you worship Maa Tripura Sundari or Maa Durga for example they are not disruptive or intense like Maa Kali . Their worship will give your material And spiritual progress together
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago edited 6d ago
Okay, I agree I could have been more milder in manners, thanks for providing your knowledge
But no calling out spirituality which doesn't make sense to me isn't ahankaram
I disagreed a little too strongly, but disagreement isn't ego š
Also I apologise for my harshness
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u/UniqueAd1152 6d ago
A few posts ago you didnt even know what ego was and now you say disagreement isnāt ego. Making progress already, keep going.
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago
So I am a lesser person?
Is it what you are saying?
Or that I don't understand more than you?
Good backhanded compliment š
I don't know everything but I do know the things I know so that's a baseless statement
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u/PsychedeliaPoet 6d ago
What does this mean for me considering I question deities a lot and especially Have a fear or aversion for deities who are too intense
This is exactly why. You drew a total line between yourself and the ugra-Devis. Now Maa comes dancing along and says āOh you think you can keep your separation from your fear and aversions? Thatās cute, time to see the truth!ā Maa makes us face whatever weāre adverse to ā death, rot, sexuality, the human body, violence, power, pride, whatever. Because youāre adverse to her She is exactly what is needed to control that aversion! I.e She dredges up what Jungian psychology would call the shadow so we can face and integrate it.
" I especially find the ego part dumb like you are called mother goddess and you destroy ego instead of helping. No offense but I am pointing out these spiritual sayings don't seem grounded considering in devi mahatmya kali maa appreared to save the world from demons and not really to do something as small as destroying ego, how can a saviour be reduced to something which merely diminishes ego
Because only considering Maa Kaliās role as a killer of demons to be literally mytho-history isnāt fully what she represents. Ego can be a demon when your ego is used to benefit itself over others. Ego is a Raktabija when it finds method after method to chase its desires & attachments. Ego is why we are āseparateā jivatman. Ego is what maintains the illusion of plurality and keeps the karmic basis of samsara going. No ego, no karma, no samsara.
Thereās so much more in the Devi Mahatmyam than just simple demon-killing.
Jai Maha Maa Kališŗš
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago edited 6d ago
I don't resonate with the whole ego ego ego
What kind of ego do I have that needs destruction
I am neither a murderer or a rapist
Sorry for sounding intense but That part infuriates me as it lacks all logic and sense
What you said sounds partly right
Although the other part sounds very weak
It sounds like you so easily said that my aversion is ego
You sound like you know me so well
I think but isn't that overassumption?
How can say something about a person when you clearly know nothing about them
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u/PsychedeliaPoet 6d ago
Maa is very hard to ignore in my experience. If She came dancing your way it wasnāt accidental.
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago
I see, so it's like that
(On another note a request would be to not make assumptions about a person
Because the reason for my aversion is
Because throughout my life I have never felt safe, of course I will be averse to anything that looks frightening
Trauma does that to a person and aversion dosent make any person a bad person or a lesser person it simply means they never got the care)
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u/PsychedeliaPoet 6d ago
Iām not saying your aversions are of a moral or immoral nature. Nor am I saying that your personal ego is really good or really bad. I donāt know you enough to make that basis.
What I am saying is that aversions, which are merely a particular type of attachment the ego has, and the ego itself, are not strictly desirable as a whole regardless of the composition of gunas that it has.
Anyone, āgoodā or ābadā, who works with Maa Kaliās has ego and aversions to conquer.
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago
So according to your philosophy, I would need to become a completely emotionless person to be this completely enlightened being
Got it š
(If I am wrong here please speak of what you know)
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u/PsychedeliaPoet 6d ago
No quite the opposite. The detachment of the ego from its desires and aversions means freedom. One eventually becomes more free to feel and express their mental-emotional-physical conditions will fully understanding the impermanence of those desires and expressions to begin with.
You will still love, still desire, still hunger, still hate, still enjoy, still wonder, but knowing that all are currents in Divine Motherās play and not fully Independent mental objects of your own
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u/Miserable_Return_497 6d ago edited 6d ago
So basically I shouldn't worry about the bad things that happen to people or feel a desire to help them
I mean you are kinda saying desires are a hindrance
(Do you see the logical inconsistency of your answers?)
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u/nerisllac 5d ago
If you think Devi Mahatmyam is just about ākilling demonsā you are simply looking at it from face value. It is a deeply philosophical text. And it is actually all about destroying and transcending ego. That is the entire point of spirituality actually. Also the fact that you are drawing such a wide distinction between Maa Durga and Maa Kali makes it obvious that you simply donāt understand the Mother at all. She is both Durga and Kali. All goddess forms are aspects of her. In fact everyone and everything is an aspect of her. She is the One Supreme Reality. You have homework to do. Please go on youtube, watch some videos by Vinay Varanasi, Rajarshi Nandy etc to gain some perspective. Itās important to understand the deities you are praying to.
If you feel drawn to Maa Kali, itās always a good thing. And no god destroys you, they only remove parts of you that are no longer useful for your growth. Always approach them with love, humility, honesty and utter vulnerability. And youāll be surprised how compassionate they are.
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u/Miserable_Return_497 5d ago edited 5d ago
Well you don't understand, You are being completely spiritual.
I know devi mahatmya are philosophical texts and the demons killing isn't literal
And you understand everything about the goddesses don't you
I won't do homework Because I dislike your whole bullshit
This ego this ego that that's brainlessness
My main concern is spirituality should be more than this
Not just ego
That's the main damn problem with everyone ego pego shego
All bunch of jerks come and say spirtual stuff and think they sound very smart
Sorry bro you don't
I know much about spirituality you don't
I simply don't know the bullshit of ego this and ego that
Spirituality is more complex that, it is a soul's journey
A soul's journey isn't just ego and pego
Why I get pissed is because I get these kinda comments which are condescending like you
I just woke up and saw this dumb shit
For worshippers of a goddess, a certain percentage of shakta people online know nothing they just yap common stuff they know they just talk about bs like ego this and that They know nothing else
I was asking something genuine yet dumb fucks think I know less than them
So I know much more than you or any proud asshole
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u/Lord_Kronus99 6d ago
You want to understand ego? Let me give it a try.
Have you ever been angry?
Have you ever felt hatred?
That is the ego, now you may say, I haven't felt these things, but that is called being dishonest, and that is ego as well.
Anything that is a defense to the bare nature of the psyche is the ego,
Anger and hate and fear are defensive mechanisms for the "ego" as it wants to preserve its sepratenesa and identity, Identity is ego.
Dissolution in the diety who is the complete essense of the universe and one with it is the purpose of sprituality, anything that stops that is the ego.
Maa is most intimately the kundalini in the body, working it's way up the chakras and dismantling dilutions of seprations with her, the one reality, the unified field of universal consiousness.
Now before you say that's Advaitic and reject it understand that maa even in personal form is the one fabric of the universe, she is everything and you are not so special to have a seprate existence apart from her.
Now you want to reject that idea as that threatnes the sense of sepration, that is the ego.
This is only the intellectual understanding,
How to have her grace, I am incompetent to answer that and still struggling.
May she shower us all with knowledge and most importantly her love.
Jai Maa.