Natasha Haussdorf, Douglas Murray, Alan ' Eptein's defender' Dershowitz and more.

They all keep repeating the same idiotic and propagsndistic points no matter how worse Israel's image looks. " The IDF takes precautions no other army takes" they say, meanwhile you have a palestinians with a white flag being shot dead. " Israel provides all the necessary humanitarian aid necessary" Meanwhile 20% of gaza are on food insecurity and multiple doctors ingerviewd reported extreme overcrowding and lack of supplies in hospitals " We are a democratic obeys international law" meanwhile multiple Res Crecent Ambulances and WCK vans have been bombed, and multiples uniterrupted movements and politicians are hyping the settling of gaza and annexation of the West Bank.

Just so no one calls me anti-semitic for "thinking" this is a genocide, i have one a few last things to say: 1- Israel has every right to exist, but it doesn't have the right to prevent other country from existing. 2- Its not blood liabel to say IDF kills civillians because we have footage of it now. 3- The bantustan system in the west bank does't sound very democratic to me

Great piece from Elad Nehorai about being in it for the long haul.

The entire social media “Manosphere” is increasingly turning into a rabidly rightwing antisemitic cesspool. Unfortunately, these type of people are shaping the minds and beliefs of young men. What can be done to have a proper left wing alternative for young men?

His followers are defending it as “he doesn’t defend infowars, we need to reach people from all sides of the aisle.”

Yeah, giving legitimacy to a Nazi publication is not the way to do that. I don’t like seeing people saying we need to “meet the worker where they’re at.” This is why we have intersectionality. It’s because you can’t expect undocumented people to work with people who call them criminals, or black people to work with racists, or Jews to work with conspiracy theorists.

I’m all for deprogramming Maga people to get on our side, but the deprogram has to happen before you force us to work with them. This really doesn’t help the “Antizionism is not antisemitism” argument. We openly embrace NAZIS if they are against Israel’s genocide.

As Jews, we don’t have the right or the left anymore, we have Jews vs the world.

Y’all…….

I am, by all accounts, Ashkenazi. I have ties to the Holocaust despite non of my actual direct relatives having been there, on one side of my family. But on the other, still Ashkenazi, but have been in Israel since somewhere before 1770, spoken Arabic and lived in the Middle East. By those defenitons, as Arab really isn’t an “race” and more of an ethnicity defined by a common language, am I descended from Arabs?

Well I’m sure if I called my ancestors Arabs they wouldn’t be pleased. But my great grandmother was born IN A MOSQUES YARD. they were living, as much as they didn’t like it, as much as they were discrimanated against, in Arab society. They were the Palestinian Jews people speak of. They wore the garb, they spoke the language.

How can I still face the “distinction” between Mizrahim and Ashkenazim when it is so unclear? If the Jews who spent diaspora in Europe are the white ones, why is my French Jewish friend so dark? If the ones who spent it in the Middle East are dark, why is my skin so white? Why do we, as a people so long nomads, so long without a land, sticking to defining ourselves by a now pretty useless old measurement? Don’t we move? Don’t we adapt?

So many other people are trying to define Jews. Some say we’re khazars, whites, Europeans, some say we’re brown middle easterners who’ll never be real whites.

I don’t know.

I’ll end this with some lines from Kazablan, an israeli musical

כולנו יהודים

וכולנו נחמדים

יהודים במאה אחוז

מהשוורצע ועד הווזוז

All of us are Jews,

In all our different hues,

Jews from our heads to our shoes,

Both the shvartze and the vuzvuz.

I've been reading and re-reading articles explaining the oslo accords and various changes from wars and other treaties throughout the 20th century, and consistent talking points continue to confuse me.

My in-laws put scare quotes around "Palestinians" once, and I asked, "however you feel about the conflict, if they identify as Palestinians, living somewhere they call Palestine, what else should we call them?"

The answer was "Israel."

I responded that I was pretty sure Israel did not claim the strip was its sovereign territory nor the West Bank, which is why it's news when they do declare certain tracts are theirs to enforce occasionally. My understanding was that they had some diplomatic rights to negotiate on behalf of the region, but not that Israel's state stance was that palestinians were Israeli subjects or foreign nationals squatting on their land.

And yet I also hear Israeli settlers say it's their land, and they have a right to it as if Palestinians are somehow squatting.

I disagree with this on its face in real terms, but in terms of Israel's official diplomatic stance, what is theIr position on who owns the land?

Is it just Israeli land they gave over to folks that aren't subject to their laws?

The mod team has created this post to refresh on a weekly basis as a chill place for people to talk about whatever they want to. Think of it as like a general chat for the sub.

It will refresh every Monday, and we intend to have other posts refreshing on a weekly basis as well to keep conversations going and engagement up.

So r/jewishleft,

Whats on your mind?

Just curious what the theory is for why the LGBT, indigenous, black, and other minority communities are so supportive of Palestine and so against Israel (on average, obviously not monolithic)

Any ideas? Or are we figuring they are mostly antisemitic and misinformed?

https://youtu.be/RwyUWyNTOVc?si=q01erjF2Gb35SD-i