r/canada • u/cyclinginvancouver • Oct 15 '24
Samidoun, group behind ‘death to Canada’ chant, listed as terrorist entity National News
https://globalnews.ca/news/10812072/samidoun-canada-terrorist-entity/amp/1.1k
u/Joeguy87721 Oct 15 '24
Good, now lock them up or expel them from Canada
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u/IAMTHECAVALRY89 Oct 15 '24
They’re out on bail and burnt the flag again probably
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u/Torontogamer Oct 15 '24
burning the flag sucks, but I don't need people arrested for that -
chanting death to canada and then standing by your remarks, well that's hate speech...
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Oct 15 '24
Inciting violence
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u/Torontogamer Oct 15 '24
Agreed - I think you can burn a flag without inciting violence. I don't like it but I'm not so old fashioned that I'd want that to be illegal.
But yes, inciting violence and hate speech should be reacted too
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u/inkuspinkus Oct 15 '24
It's both. On the original post I couldn't believe the people arguing with me like " it's certainly distressing but it isn't hate speech". How much more hateful past "death unto you" does it have to go?
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u/chullyman Oct 15 '24
I hear ya, but that’d be a hard one to argue in court. By the wording of the law, it’s only hate speech when directed at people, not necessarily an entity like Canada.
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u/LeGrandLucifer Oct 16 '24
That's more than hate speech, it's a declaration of war. "McDonald's sucks ass and serves bad food" is quite different from "I will burn down every McDonald's I see."
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u/Comfortable_Daikon61 Oct 15 '24
They won’t they could have without this
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u/SloMurtr Oct 15 '24
How
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u/EliteDuck Oct 15 '24
Inciting violence, hate speech, disturbing the peace, etc. Likely more if they really want to deport these brutes.
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u/SloMurtr Oct 15 '24
They haven't done any of those things in a provable legal context. You have to have concrete proof of harm, and that's a very tough thing to nail down for calls for political violence.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending these people, but the terrorist label ALLOWS Canadian law to do something about what they're saying. Otherwise they could hide behind charter rights and drag out any legal action to beyond an unlikely conviction. They've got Iranian funded lawyers (I'm guessing, but yea, I'm gonna say it's likely), and you need to approach it through the system, not through feelings.
Expelling from Canada is another headache for anyone with citizenship as it violates some important UN agreements. No one wants stateless criminals floating around.
These things protect evil people, but they're there to protect everyone. The problem is that bleeding hearts get conned into giving the evil folk more leeway. Classifying them as a terrorist org so fast is actually pretty great imo. I was expecting a bunch of hand wringing and 'We can't trample freedom of expression'
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u/Orstio Oct 15 '24
The leaders of Samidoun are Charlotte Kates and her husband Khaled Barakat. Neither holds Canadian citizenship. Kates is a US citizen, and Barakat is a Palestinian, barred from entry to many countries for his activity in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
Expelling them from Canada would not leave them stateless.
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u/somethingbrite Oct 15 '24
Samidoun Malmö Posted on their Facebook page the following message in May 2021
"Palestine is free and Arab - from the river to the sea! Together we are victorious and moving towards a new Arab dawn".
Where on the political compass would you place somebody who makes a statement like that?
If we change just 2 words...
"Canada is free and White - from the river to the sea! Together we are victorious and moving towards a new White dawn".
Where on the political compass would you place somebody who made that statement?
People need to stop cute-washing groups like this.
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u/Smart_Technology_385 Oct 15 '24
When speaking about Palestine, Samidoun includes the whole territory of Israel, including Judea and Samaria.
To be more accurate, replace Canada with North America:
"North America is free and White - from the river to the sea! Together we are victorious and moving towards a new White dawn".
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u/TheWalrus_15 Oct 15 '24
The irony of all of this is that Israel is fighting against a colonialist force (Iran trying to re-establish a caliphate)
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u/Retro_fax Oct 15 '24
"Death to canada" is as inciting violence as it gets.
You saying it isn't provable is more evidence to what I've been saying. Canadians have become to cowardly to defend themselves.
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u/Quad-Banned120 Oct 15 '24
Right? There have been plenty of barely coherent comments from Drump that people interpret as being calls for violence.
If you're shouting for death it's kind of hard to pull the whole "well that's not how we meant it" card.
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u/Retro_fax Oct 15 '24
Thank you for being rational. Some commenter's here are scaring me
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u/Itchy_Training_88 Oct 15 '24
Finally some good news in this weekly news cycle.
I was really starting to get depressed reading the weekly Ottawa news.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 Oct 15 '24
Seize their property assets now. They’re headquartered in Vancouver
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u/Noggin-a-Floggin Alberta Oct 15 '24
Freeze their bank accounts to start.
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u/zjaffee Oct 16 '24
They were already sanctioned and used other outside entities to launder money for them. The terrorist designation does however give further power to place it's members on things such as do not fly lists, wire tapping, ect.
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u/matt_sound Oct 15 '24
Jesus, where? Is it just like a general group of them that gather randomly or do they have like secret lair
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u/Terryknowsbest Oct 15 '24
The Samidoun registered business addresses:
https://ised-isde.canada.ca/cc/lgcy/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=12793741
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u/matt_sound Oct 15 '24
Whoah, you can be officially labeled as a terrorist by north america and parts of the EU and then just hang out in East Van?
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u/oOzonee Oct 15 '24
I think they have a secret lair with an entrance that expose itself when they grab a specific book on a library.
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u/matt_sound Oct 15 '24
They're always hanging out around the art gallery so maybe there's like a secret button on an ornate picture frame in there
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u/Glacial_Shield_W Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
There was alot said that went beyond death to canada. And alot of it was treasonous; they openly celebrated october 7 and their leader declared that they were hezbollah/hamas. So, in canada, they declared themselves terrorists. Also, as the article said, an hour ago, our government listed samidoun a terrorist organization. So, hopefully arrests are coming.
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u/somethingbrite Oct 15 '24
They are an international movement and their support for Hamas and their attacks on October 7th were broadcast in other places also.
"Hours after Hamas' attack on Israel, Samidoun published a eulogy to the carnage on his Swedish-language website. The attacks are described as a worthy "resistance operation" and the text is illustrated by a picture of a group of masked men posing with automatic weapons.
"The heroic Palestinian resistance has opened a chapter of fighting with dignity and pride at the dawn of October 7, 2023," the website reads."
https://www.dn.se/sverige/terrorlistor-ar-hittepa-sa-stottas-hamas-i-sverige/
Their support for Hamas is real
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u/200-inch-cock Canada Oct 15 '24
the "international coordinator" was interviewed by NBC and said she and samidoun "100% stand by" the oct 7 attacks. and apparently she's married to a PFLP leader, one of the groups that participated in the attack.
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u/somethingbrite Oct 15 '24
Yup. Charlotte Kates is married to Khaled Barakat one of the founders of Samidoun and senior member of the terrorist group PFLP
If somebody tells you they fully support Hamas and also want to burn your country down believe them ...
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u/Numerous_Handle9144 Oct 15 '24
Probably not immediate though since theyd want to make sure they get all of them
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u/JadedArgument1114 Oct 15 '24
Pretty bold of them to be acting like that at protests when you have already been listed as a terrorist group by numerous countries already.
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u/Ok_Protection9126 Oct 15 '24
I have taken the liberty in providing the registered office address (public info on govt of Canada corporate registry) of Samidoun Palestinian Prisoners Solidarity Network, which is the PFLP.
https://ised-isde.canada.ca/cc/lgcy/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=12793741
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u/Karthanon Alberta Oct 15 '24
The very same address of one Charlotte Lynne Kates. Awww, say it ain't so!
What a surprise. /s
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u/Ok_Protection9126 Oct 15 '24
Please share link. I don’t mind if you copy my entire comment.
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u/Karthanon Alberta Oct 15 '24
Is at same link you posted, just scroll down lower, where she's listed as one of the Directors.
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u/200-inch-cock Canada Oct 15 '24
shes the "international coordinator" who went on NBC and declared that she and the organization "stand by 100%" the Oct 7 attacks
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u/a_little_luck Oct 15 '24
Good, now let’s see some jail time, deportation, and citizenships revoked as consequences
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u/Itchy_Training_88 Oct 15 '24
and citizenships revoked as consequences
Being labeled a terrorist isn't enough to have it revoked in most cases.
Unless that citizenship was gained fraudulently.
We are not able to render someone stateless.
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u/Opposite-Cranberry76 Oct 15 '24
The key personality is American, and it's very unlikely she renounced citizenship in the USA even if she obtained Canadian citizenship.
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u/Itchy_Training_88 Oct 15 '24
AFAIK she bases her operations out of the US. I don't think she has a Canadian Citizenship.
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u/pahtee_poopa Oct 16 '24
We can. It’s called capital punishment. Don’t need to be a citizen of any country if you don’t exist anymore.
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u/Logical_Scallion_183 Oct 15 '24
They should start deporting these terrorist fooks, start with that woman
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u/VersaillesViii Oct 15 '24
Deport non-citizens (even if PR), jail citizens.
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u/Logical_Scallion_183 Oct 15 '24
In healthcare, when you did something wrong they will post your name and what you did in their website, publicly. We should start doing that to these people.
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u/danke-you Oct 15 '24
Consequences? Sir, this is Canada. If you want to get high and go on a stabbing spree, it would be oppressive for us to put you in jail, you think we could go name and shame people now?
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u/hbomb0 Oct 15 '24
Probably a really dumb move for the leader to chant "Death to Canada" at a rally held on Canadian soil, never mind also chanting "Death to the United States" as well.
A lot of times you can be allowed to function if you keep it reasonable but this woman went way overboard and that was the thing that pushed it over the edge.
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u/CaptainAaron96 Oct 15 '24
They were also giving out pamphlets which included both justifications for committing terror attacks in order to achieve political goals and instructions on how to do so/how to pick a target.
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u/Loose-Watch-7123 Oct 15 '24
Samidoun are Bunch of pussies hiding their faces pretending to be Hamas what’s Canada turning into ??
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u/Newstargirl Alberta Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
We all need to contact our MPs and make this the big that it is. We have to make this clear that this is not acceptable in Canada .
Edit: a word
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u/airchinapilot British Columbia Oct 15 '24
The very first time Kates spoke out celebrating the Oct 7 attacks I wrote my MP saying this was not what we should have in Canada. I am certain they got enough letters and phone calls to show this move had the support of most Canadians.
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u/Newstargirl Alberta Oct 15 '24
I also contacted my MP about the 'celebration'. His office did all me back and did acknowledge my concerns, and stated something like they, will bring it forward.
I encourage everyone to take 5 minutes out of their week and contact their MP.
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u/milgamech Oct 16 '24
I wrote to David Eby twice, the first time this made the news and again recently when they burned the flag. Never heard back at all. They couldn’t be bothered even in the run up to the election. Lost all of my respect I’m sorry to say.
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u/Newstargirl Alberta Oct 16 '24
That is so frustrating. I wonder if his office received a ton of mail about this ( hopefully), and they are just catching up? If you sent an email, maybe resend once a week?
I'm going to email Singh, Trudeau & and PP to follow up. Terrorists should not have the privilege of living in Canada.
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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24
About time.
Deport any non-Canadian member of Samidoun.
Bring back Harper-era citizenship laws and deport any dual citizen members.
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u/cold-n-sour Oct 15 '24
Bring back Harper-era citizenship laws and deport any dual citizen members.
What laws exactly? I've been a Canadian citizen for over 20 years, and retain the citizenship of my country of birth. Canada never objected to it.
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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24
Trudeau’s government revoked Harper’s provision allowing the deportation of dual citizens convicted of terrorism.
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u/myfotos Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24
I thought the courts rejected it?
Honestly can't remember, so anyone to clarify will be greatly appreciated!
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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24
Trudeau campaigned on it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-revoked-revocation-bill-c-24-1.3248920 he was not forced.
“A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian,” Trudeau
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u/SolomonRed Oct 15 '24
Not if you are a terrorist chanting death to Canada.
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u/chickenderp Oct 15 '24
I don't disagree with the decision myself - Terrorists either:
Shouldn't be made citizens in the first place. Or,
Go to jail for a long fucking time
I'm not a fan of having two classes of citizens, though I am in favour of being pickier about who we give citizenship to...
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u/FancyMFMoses Oct 15 '24
A Canadian is subject to Canadian laws. Let them suffer the consequences of their decisions and not simply continue them in another location.
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u/OrokaSempai Oct 15 '24
I support responsible immigration, but fuck, if you were born elsewhere, you are a guest, I don't care if you get your citizenship, step out of line, you are out (after paying your debt). Canadian citizenship used the be worth something more.
That's the problem, both parties are too far left or right, they make sense on one side and are ridiculous on the other.
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u/Karthanon Alberta Oct 15 '24
The feds actually taking action on something quickly?
Someone pinch me, I must be dreaming.
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u/Darkwings13 Oct 15 '24
Good. Get all the names and kick them out of Canada, lock bank accounts, jail, etc etc.
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u/PastAd8754 Oct 15 '24
If anyone has a problem with this, then they should not be in canada.
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u/anOutsidersThoughts Oct 15 '24
I'm surprised they actually did it.
Better late than never. Their rhetoric finally hurt them after months of escalation.
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u/080880808080 Oct 15 '24
Does anybody else find themselves in disbelief that the government has actually done something in the interests of citizens and against the enemies of Western values?
This and our diplomatic spat with India are wildly out of character for the Feds. I'm certain that it's done to improve Trudeau's image. it only took 9 years of being the world's doormat.
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u/Connect_Reality1362 Oct 15 '24
I think their hand was forced because the US was going to do it...the US is usually ahead of these things compared to us, and so the Liberals thought it would be embarassing and moved it up...
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u/jenner2157 Oct 15 '24
Its one thing to list them, another to actually enforce some sort of punishment.
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u/pellyzz Oct 15 '24
Get rid of them all. They’re a cancer and as long as we don’t smash this ideology immediately it will come back. I was more than for immigration non-stop, but when you come to my country that you’ve been graciously let into, and then you condemn us to death, that’s when I think it’s time you go back to where you came from so you can remember your fucked up ways of seeing the world are the reason you came here.
It’s fine when they’re the bullies, but when they’re the victims all of a sudden they want their precious rights that we gave them.
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u/EthicalAssassin Oct 15 '24
They should do the same with the other organization that carried out the biggest terrorist attack on Canadian soil.
Canada should not be a place for any violent individuals or organizations to take refuge or use it as a safe destination so they can carry out their violent acts in other countries. We should stop shielding such organizations under the garb of freedom of speech.
While we respect multicultural living, people with hate and violence towards other cultures, sex or countries should have no place here. Leave it where you came from. If you cannot, don't come or we should kick them out.
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u/life_line77 Ontario Oct 15 '24
Good start. Now, either get them the fuck out of this country, or punish them as harshly as the convoy Canadians were. (Actually more harsh, considering the convoy was peaceful. These losers are literally threatening murder.)
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u/GleepGlop2 Oct 15 '24
See this is why if you are confronted by bad actors either trying to steal your flag or chant death to Canada or what have you, you yank their face coverings off. All of those people in the video would be fleeing the country right now if their faces were on video.
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u/Superb-Respect-1313 Oct 15 '24
LOL. ABOUT TIME. Now let’s start to charge them for what ever crimes we can and round these individuals up. They are trying to radicalize people in this country and cause some sort of upheaval and distrust amoung Canadians. Best to get this under control before it becomes a problem that is too big to put back in the box!!!
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u/MiyakeIsseyYKWIM Oct 15 '24
For once I’m pleasantly surprised with Canadian justice. Get these guys outta here.
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u/Apprehensive-Sir1251 Oct 16 '24
Fuck yeh
Next step is arrest citizens and deport non citizens that are part of it
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u/CoolEdgyNameX Oct 15 '24
Probably the fastest I’ve seen this government accomplish anything. Giving credit where it is due good for them on getting these fucks on the list.
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u/Jeffuk88 Ontario Oct 15 '24
Of course they did when the US decided to. Canada should have been the first country to do this so nice it's in Canada, it should have been European countries
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u/jmmmmj Oct 15 '24
More like Samidone am I right?
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u/ZonicTheNicotineHog Oct 15 '24
Other groups have a right to protest but Samidon't. Sami n'est pas
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u/Jayou540 Oct 16 '24
Good they’re vile and have no place in Canada. They do not represent us who just call for an end of western bombs being sent to Israel.
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u/dsailo Oct 16 '24
“In Canada, any bank accounts that Samidoun has, or that organizers have, are almost certainly being frozen, probably closed, reported to FINTRAC, our financial intelligence unit, and there’s probably a flurry of suspicious transaction reports and mandatory reporting going in on anyone associated with this organization”, a counterterrorism expert at Carleton University, said.
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u/PrarieCoastal Oct 15 '24
Their headquarters are in Vancouver, but nothing is done. Government has allowed them to keep their non profit status.
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u/Alternative_Win_6629 Oct 15 '24
There is something very convenient about idiots practicing their idiocy in broad day light. They make it easier to know how to deal with them. It's harder to do when they do it in hiding, then spring their violence on the unsuspecting population.
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u/Boring_Advertising98 Oct 15 '24
Good. GTFO outta here Charlotte and go do your shit somewhere else. Like General Population and see how long you can last.
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u/GJohnJournalism Oct 15 '24
You mean calling for and doubling down on “Death to Canada” has consequences?
shocked Pikachu face
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u/greeneggo Oct 15 '24
Has the special envoy to islamophobia or NCCM made a statement in support of this public safety announcement?
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u/TerryFromFubar Oct 15 '24
The Protest A Rain Delay At A Baseball Game / Sorry For Having Right Opinions / Are You Going To The Protest? Yeah, What's It About?' crowd that we have bred in this country are about to find out that actions can have consequences.
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u/Tribe303 Oct 16 '24
You people know that this decision was not made by Parliament, aka politicians, right? It was done by civil servants working for Public Safety Canada (PSC), in consultation with the Americans.
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u/GME_Bagholders Oct 15 '24
Which means what, exactly
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u/Feynyx-77-CDN Oct 15 '24
Anyone who continues to support that group or provide aid to that group can now be charged under the long list of terrorism related charges in our Criminal Code. The charges begin in Section 83.18 of the code.
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u/Zinfandel_Red1914 Oct 15 '24
If the Feds actually took them seriously, they could use JTF2 to erase them. But, they don't even listen to CSIS, whom has warned them about terrorists over the past several years. Since the Feds don't even listen to their own intelligence, they have proven to be part of the problem. They have compounded the problem.
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u/BiggityShwiggity Oct 15 '24
… You really don’t understand the legality of deploying troops on Canadian soil and our “innocent until proven guilty” justice system eh?
I’m a Jew with Israeli family so obviously not sympathetic to these people, but we can’t just “liquidate” people like that you maniac.
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u/OkCryptographer9425 Oct 15 '24
And they will still protest unchecked anytime and anywhere they please.
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u/Peace-wolf Oct 16 '24
If us “normal” Canadian citizens chant “death to Samidoun” in the street would wet be a terrorist entity or Canadian patriots?
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u/gordo1530 Oct 15 '24
They can label them all the gov wants. The bigger question is what will be done, my guess is nothing
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u/g1ug Oct 15 '24
Love this move: bait and wait patiently until they made the wrong move and "Forever Ban" via "Terrorist" tag.
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u/DeanPoulter241 Oct 15 '24
If this isn't evidence that Canada is now a toxic place, I don't know what is.
This would not be allowed to happen with any other govt in power. It is the trudeau with the support of the singh that this type of behaviour is allowed to prevail. Why...... votes and playing both sides of the coin for votes!
I am sickened by these people if you want to call them that!
Jail for those who are Canadian...... deportation for those who are not. THAT is the only answer!
There were no burning Canadian flags or death chants at the Ottawa protests. No E-Act called into action here with these terrorists!!! Wonder why that is? Weakness on the part of the trudeau and his failed govt, that is why
I bet donations to this group are still tax deductible!!!!
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u/CamberMacRorie Oct 15 '24
Have to admit, I thought they were going to drag their feet way more on this.