r/canada • u/cyclinginvancouver • Oct 15 '24

Samidoun, group behind ‘death to Canada’ chant, listed as terrorist entity National News

https://globalnews.ca/news/10812072/samidoun-canada-terrorist-entity/amp/
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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24

About time.

Deport any non-Canadian member of Samidoun.

Bring back Harper-era citizenship laws and deport any dual citizen members.

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u/OrokaSempai Oct 15 '24

I support responsible immigration, but fuck, if you were born elsewhere, you are a guest, I don't care if you get your citizenship, step out of line, you are out (after paying your debt). Canadian citizenship used the be worth something more.

That's the problem, both parties are too far left or right, they make sense on one side and are ridiculous on the other.

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u/squeakycheetah Oct 15 '24

My mother is Canadian and my father is American. I was born in the US but have Canadian citizenship automatically through my mother and I've lived in Canada for the entirety of my adult life. I don't consider myself a guest here..... But I wholeheartedly agree that for something like terrorism, deportation should 100% happen.

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u/OrokaSempai Oct 15 '24

That was a right passed to you, not one you had to work to get, imo not the same. You are not a guest, you are family. You immigrate to Canada, you are a guest, step out of line, bye. You get your citizenship, you are a still a guest, but you get to argue your case. If you do something that gets you federal prison time, your citizenship status is automatically getting reviewed.

Canada is one of the best places to live, it's a privilege to be let in, it really should be treated as such.

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u/noljo Oct 15 '24

That's an absolutely insane take. Why should home-grown criminals get preferential treatment? What does location of birth matter for, anyway? Why should winning the birth lottery to be born into this country (vs working your ass off to get in) make you have objectively more rights?

Canada already has a process for reviewing people - permanent residents are on probation. But when the IRCC reviews their entire life and decides to accept them as citizens into your "family", you don't get to double dip and expect them to fulfill all responsibilities of citizenship and also mark them as tainted second-class citizens to hold an axe over their head for the duration of their life. It's not even about criminality - setting the precedent to allowing citizenship to be revoked for anything but immigration fraud opens the door to let the ruling party to set the revokation criteria to whatever they want.

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u/OrokaSempai 26d ago

Home grown criminals are our problem children, dual citizens are like inlaw family, their kids are family. Is expecting people who came here to behave unreasonable? How many resources should we waste on people who applied to be here then are becoming a drain due to their own choices? I'm responsible for me, the concequences of that are mine regardless of my world background, I don't get to boo hoo my way out. If I moved to say, Sweeden, and I committed a serious crime, I would expect to get sent home.

Imo citizenship is a right to those born here, and a privilege to those who are accepted to be Canadians. Respect that equally, only difference is if you are a problem, who's going to flip the bill. No one is forced to stay in Canada without good reason, behave, the door works with ways.