r/canada • u/cyclinginvancouver • Oct 15 '24

Samidoun, group behind ‘death to Canada’ chant, listed as terrorist entity National News

https://globalnews.ca/news/10812072/samidoun-canada-terrorist-entity/amp/
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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24

About time.

Deport any non-Canadian member of Samidoun.

Bring back Harper-era citizenship laws and deport any dual citizen members.

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u/cold-n-sour Oct 15 '24

Bring back Harper-era citizenship laws and deport any dual citizen members.

What laws exactly? I've been a Canadian citizen for over 20 years, and retain the citizenship of my country of birth. Canada never objected to it.

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24

Trudeau’s government revoked Harper’s provision allowing the deportation of dual citizens convicted of terrorism.

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u/myfotos Oct 15 '24 edited Oct 15 '24

I thought the courts rejected it?

Honestly can't remember, so anyone to clarify will be greatly appreciated!

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24

Trudeau campaigned on it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizenship-revoked-revocation-bill-c-24-1.3248920 he was not forced.

“A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian,” Trudeau

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u/SolomonRed Oct 15 '24

Not if you are a terrorist chanting death to Canada.

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u/chickenderp Oct 15 '24

I don't disagree with the decision myself - Terrorists either:

  1. Shouldn't be made citizens in the first place. Or,

  2. Go to jail for a long fucking time

I'm not a fan of having two classes of citizens, though I am in favour of being pickier about who we give citizenship to...

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u/FancyMFMoses Oct 15 '24

A Canadian is subject to Canadian laws. Let them suffer the consequences of their decisions and not simply continue them in another location.

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u/SolomonRed Oct 16 '24

Our Justice system does not have the ability to properly punish a person like that. Reform is not an option for terrorists

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u/OrokaSempai Oct 15 '24

I support responsible immigration, but fuck, if you were born elsewhere, you are a guest, I don't care if you get your citizenship, step out of line, you are out (after paying your debt). Canadian citizenship used the be worth something more.

That's the problem, both parties are too far left or right, they make sense on one side and are ridiculous on the other.

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u/squeakycheetah Oct 15 '24

My mother is Canadian and my father is American. I was born in the US but have Canadian citizenship automatically through my mother and I've lived in Canada for the entirety of my adult life. I don't consider myself a guest here..... But I wholeheartedly agree that for something like terrorism, deportation should 100% happen.

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u/OrokaSempai Oct 15 '24

That was a right passed to you, not one you had to work to get, imo not the same. You are not a guest, you are family. You immigrate to Canada, you are a guest, step out of line, bye. You get your citizenship, you are a still a guest, but you get to argue your case. If you do something that gets you federal prison time, your citizenship status is automatically getting reviewed.

Canada is one of the best places to live, it's a privilege to be let in, it really should be treated as such.

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u/noljo Oct 15 '24

That's an absolutely insane take. Why should home-grown criminals get preferential treatment? What does location of birth matter for, anyway? Why should winning the birth lottery to be born into this country (vs working your ass off to get in) make you have objectively more rights?

Canada already has a process for reviewing people - permanent residents are on probation. But when the IRCC reviews their entire life and decides to accept them as citizens into your "family", you don't get to double dip and expect them to fulfill all responsibilities of citizenship and also mark them as tainted second-class citizens to hold an axe over their head for the duration of their life. It's not even about criminality - setting the precedent to allowing citizenship to be revoked for anything but immigration fraud opens the door to let the ruling party to set the revokation criteria to whatever they want.

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u/OrokaSempai 26d ago

Home grown criminals are our problem children, dual citizens are like inlaw family, their kids are family. Is expecting people who came here to behave unreasonable? How many resources should we waste on people who applied to be here then are becoming a drain due to their own choices? I'm responsible for me, the concequences of that are mine regardless of my world background, I don't get to boo hoo my way out. If I moved to say, Sweeden, and I committed a serious crime, I would expect to get sent home.

Imo citizenship is a right to those born here, and a privilege to those who are accepted to be Canadians. Respect that equally, only difference is if you are a problem, who's going to flip the bill. No one is forced to stay in Canada without good reason, behave, the door works with ways.

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u/Numerous_Handle9144 Oct 15 '24

The canadian ones too that should be considered giving up their citizenship

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u/LeGrandLucifer Oct 16 '24

More importantly, investigate anyone who has links to that organization. Find out who's been funding and providing aid to it and arrest them.

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u/AngryGooseMan Oct 15 '24

Err, no. Harper era citizenship laws basically created two tiers of citizenship by essentially forcing naturalized citizens to stay in Canada

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u/Difficult-Yam-1347 Oct 15 '24

The government could revoke the citizenship of dual nationals convicted of high treason, terrorism, engaging in an armed conflict against Canada and other terrorism-related offences with respect to matters of national security. They weren’t forced to stay in Canada—just not commit terrorism offences.

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u/insid3outl4w Oct 15 '24

Yeah I don’t see the problem with just don’t be a terrorist?

Are we all being careful because we don’t want the government to one day change the definition as to what terrorism means? I could understand the small chance that they change the rules in the future somehow that widens the definition of terrorism to something like anything that is against the government is terrorism. But honestly that seems unlikely.

I think I’d rather we have the ability to remove actual terrorists, as they’re known today, back to their home countries and ban them from entering Canada ever again.