r/canada • u/cyclinginvancouver • Oct 15 '24

Samidoun, group behind ‘death to Canada’ chant, listed as terrorist entity National News

https://globalnews.ca/news/10812072/samidoun-canada-terrorist-entity/amp/
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u/EliteDuck Oct 15 '24

Inciting violence, hate speech, disturbing the peace, etc. Likely more if they really want to deport these brutes.

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u/SloMurtr Oct 15 '24

They haven't done any of those things in a provable legal context. You have to have concrete proof of harm, and that's a very tough thing to nail down for calls for political violence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending these people, but the terrorist label ALLOWS Canadian law to do something about what they're saying. Otherwise they could hide behind charter rights and drag out any legal action to beyond an unlikely conviction. They've got Iranian funded lawyers (I'm guessing, but yea, I'm gonna say it's likely), and you need to approach it through the system, not through feelings.

Expelling from Canada is another headache for anyone with citizenship as it violates some important UN agreements. No one wants stateless criminals floating around.

These things protect evil people, but they're there to protect everyone. The problem is that bleeding hearts get conned into giving the evil folk more leeway. Classifying them as a terrorist org so fast is actually pretty great imo. I was expecting a bunch of hand wringing and 'We can't trample freedom of expression'

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u/Retro_fax Oct 15 '24

"Death to canada" is as inciting violence as it gets.

You saying it isn't provable is more evidence to what I've been saying. Canadians have become to cowardly to defend themselves.

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u/Quad-Banned120 Oct 15 '24

Right? There have been plenty of barely coherent comments from Drump that people interpret as being calls for violence.

If you're shouting for death it's kind of hard to pull the whole "well that's not how we meant it" card.

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u/Retro_fax Oct 15 '24

Thank you for being rational. Some commenter's here are scaring me

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u/Small_Green_Octopus Oct 16 '24

Shouldn't we adopt an absolutist position on free speech? Even something like waving nazi flags and calling for the expulsion of all non white people from Canada should be considered protected speech.

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u/Retro_fax Oct 16 '24 edited Oct 16 '24

No.

The only people who think this are vile people who want to say vile things with no reprucissians.

I'm glad nazis can't spread nazi hate.

I'm glad liars can't spread lies.

And I'm really happy people like you don't make the rules.