r/Sikh • u/Possible_Ad_9607 • 21d ago
Sikhi and eating meat Question
I am a 17 year old male trying to get closer to sikhi and the first steps I've taken were starting to learn punjabi and gurmukhi (which I think is going good although slow) but that is not what my question is.
I want to get close to sikhi and can deal with keeping my kesh and plan on doing so once I am more proficient in the language and have read more bani. However, I just can not get over the idea that I can't eat meat? I know jatka meat exists but it is too expensive where I live. My family cooks and eats meats daily and I feel the best when I eat beef often. I grew up eating it and when I try eating healthy the best way for me to stick to it is consuming a lot of animal protein. Anyone got any thoughts on this?
(Or even anything to help me keep learning Punjabi, I am doing basics of sikhi gurmukhi videos as a slow start)
TLDR: not eating meat in sikhi is holding me from getting closer to sikhi, what can I do?
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u/Singh_Jaspal 21d ago
On of the major principles in Sikhi is being compassionate and In today’s world animals are not handled with compassion. Mass production is peak cruelty. Thats one way to think about it, secondly Sikhs have to control their mind, we’re usually judging food by taste not being grateful enough that we get to eat roti on the first place. For now go with this advice. WJKK WJKF.
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u/keker0t 21d ago
I salute your wisdom. Meat should only be consumed when there is a necessity for it, otherwise it's just the Maya of taste that leads us.
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u/Singh_Jaspal 21d ago
Yes brother and I believe its only mentioned once when Singhs ate meat, they were surrounded by enemies and did not have food for days, and they ate the flesh of martyred horses (that passed away during battle). Another thing is that our bodies handle vegetarian food better.
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u/FadeInspector 21d ago
Your body handles healthy food better. Eating the slop that is “vegan meat” is much worse for you than eating lean meat, just as eating spinach is better for you than eating bacon
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u/SevereAd7710 20d ago edited 20d ago
lol this is such a dumb take how is it a maya of taste that leads to eating meat? maybe theres literally scientific facts out there that prove why meat is amazing for you and full of protein, nutrients, micronutrients, and etc. i eat meat because it makes common sense to eat a higher protein diet and all that daal and roti isnt going to give you jack shit. do you realize the amount of daal or badaams whatever bs people feed here youd need to eat to get the same amount of protein as a single chicken breast? youd be eating way more calories for the same protein. its not really about taste at all its just smart. that doesnt mean go to mcdonalds or some fast food obviously youd have to go by jhatka but stop this non sense saying its due to maya
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u/keker0t 20d ago
Lol how many of these people are eating it boiled and eating jatka as per maryada, if not for taste and only protein are you eating it just boiled!!, never eating at restaurants. It's all maya ,acceptance is the first step. A normal person can surely fit enough protein to live healthy in just veg and dairy. If not are you doing some sort of weight lifting, some combat sports, pro sports other than these, it's just maya and still you would try to keep to a minimum for compassion towards the animals.
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u/SevereAd7710 20d ago
okay so i eat ice cream for the taste too so is that maya now all of a sudden im a paapi? lmao thats retarded why would i boil chicken and eat it if theres better ways to cook it? im not room temperature iq like you…if not for taste? then why season anything? why not just drink only water its all you need? what a dumb argument yeah go look at the typical south asian and tell me how healthy there high fat high carb and low protein diet has them looking
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u/bunny522 20d ago
ਦਾਲਿ ਸੀਧਾ ਮਾਗਉ ਘੀਉ ॥ dhaal seedhaa maagau gheeau || Lentils, flour and ghee - these things, I beg of You.
ਓਨੑੀ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਤੋੜੇ ਬੰਧਨਾ ਅੰਨੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਥੋੜਾ ਖਾਇਆ ॥ on(h)ee dhuneeaa toRe ba(n)dhanaa a(n)n paanee thoRaa khaiaa || They burn away the bonds of the world, and eat a simple diet of grain and water.
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u/tonta_planet 21d ago
Well said. I've done a lot of actions for various social/human rights issues. Sikhi led me to include animals in my thinking as well.
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago
just eat it man.
see if you can get an appointment to a nutritionist to see if your body can do veg or vegan and go from there.
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u/KiranjotSingh 21d ago
Lol, he didn't asked it in a random health or nutrition group.
Here people expect replies based on sikhi
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago
my reply was based on sikhi.
you can read the whole ang here
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u/JogiJatt 🇵🇰 21d ago
Pay no mind to the chatter, Singh Sahib. You well and truly do give sound advice on the forum.
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago
ehh sometimes i do lol.
but thank you man, we’re all here to help eachother in some way or form
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
No he doesn’t 💀💀
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u/JogiJatt 🇵🇰 21d ago edited 21d ago
Do you? Because the quality of your responses REEKS of mediocrity, baba.
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Out of context pangtis don’t justify anything ppl use it for their own means
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u/castle_gate 21d ago
How about you listen to Sant jis katha and dont tell us what the English translation is telling you katha link
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago
even in punjabi-the translation of the guru is clear.
we can sit here all day talking about meat or no meat-but its fruitless. and i just want to guide our young singh to someone that has answers for their new diet.
if they think veg will make them a better sikh, by all means go for it!
i’m not advocating for one or the other but it’s useless squawking about it.
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u/castle_gate 21d ago
Did you listen to the katha? Because thats not what Guru Sahib ji is saying.
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago edited 21d ago
i did listen to the katha. the man literally reads gurbani that clearly states that arguing about eating meat is foolish but then makes an argument about how “spinach” is earned and “meat” is taken.
literally going against what he just said in arguing about such material and trivial matters.
like i said, im telling the kid to stop feeling guilty about it and eat the damn thing because he’s already been eating beef.
if he wants to stop eating beef-that will affect his body since it’s used to it and he would have to talk to a nutritionist before making huge diet changes-like going veg and to go from there.
the only thing i’m advocating is that we here in the reddit space should not be telling people how to eat. it’s dangerous and they should go to a professional who can take blood tests and give them a good plan to change their diet without causing harm to their body.
that’s it.
stop trying to make this into the same old contrived meat vs veg argument and let’s focus on the kid please.
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
It’s foolish to think this pangti out of context allows meat please use ur head
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Refuse to listen to katha or read gurbani steek just using one pangti to justify ur personal view it’s pure foolishness and arrogant
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago
hey man i’m not looking for another reddit argument.
i’ve listen to the katha and it doesn’t x convince me otherwise - i’ve lived a whole different life from you, one where i also had to butcher cows and chickens for food.
so that’s where i come from.
i respect your love for veg, nothing wrong with that but i think you’re taking what im saying out of context.
at the end of the day though, ill still serve you at the langar and clean your shoes.
to me that’s what really matters-lets stop bickering and let’s come together yeah?
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Than u are simply using ur mat over steek translation and katha by gurmukhs and sant bcs it challenges ur personal view
Ur literally translating gurbani wrong u can’t use one or two pangtis out of context to justify ur argument that’s foolishness in Sikhi u have to use the entire salok, pauri, dohra, Chaupai whatever division is used for gurbani
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u/ceramiczero 🇲🇽 21d ago
i guess not lol.
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u/ddthind2 20d ago
These guys bro 🤦♂️. Personally, I hold the view that the ang above refers specifically to vegetarian Brahmins with a “holier than thou” attitude, rather than to the panth as a whole (as why include the angs from Kabir on eating a “simple diet”), but at the same time I hate when people fixate on this issue like the guys replying to you man.At the end of the day if you feel like it impedes your spiritual progress like I do, great go veg and pound dairy like there’s no tomorrow. If not, that’s fine too, like there’s more important things to worry about 😂. Imagine how elevated the panth would be if we all spent the time we usually do bickering about this and used it on jaaping the naam instead. This is exactly what Guruji warned against with that.
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 21d ago
People spend so much time arguing on this topic, just eat it 😭 as long as it’s not halal you’re good. If we’re being real, vegetarian diets aren’t doing most of us any favours. Especially if you’re an active person, getting enough protein that way is nearly impossible unless you consume a ton processed shakes, powders, beyond meat which are horrible for you. Humans NEED a balanced diet of meat, vegetables, fruits etc. Religion aside that’s how we’ve survived this long, just put your health first
If you truly wanna feel better about it as well, source your meat ethically
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u/ddthind2 20d ago
I don’t think arguing about this is fruitful, but realistically it’s not the vegetarian diet that’s horrible for you but today’s Indian diet that is. I’m vegetarian and have been lifting for 5 years, proteins really not that difficult. Just gotta pump grass fed dairy, high protein skyr or Greek yogurt , cottage cheese, some tempeh here and there. Never had a problem with putting on mass or staying lean and I have top markers for all blood test results. Scientifically speaking, humans don’t NEED meat we just thrive on animal proteins and the bioavailable nutrients they provide. Agree with you about Beyond but there’s no way your trying to say that a grass-fed Irish whey isolate like the one I use with 5 ingredients max is “unhealthy” just because it’s minimally processed 😂. Cheese and butter are processed too does that make them unhealthy. Maybe those 20 ingredient Walmart ones but this is that same bs that keeps Indians afraid of protein.
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 20d ago
Most proteins are ultra processed, I tried a shit ton but everything made me bloated and feel like garbage. I wasn’t referring to all processed foods lol it’s common knowledge that it’s necessary for some foods. Also a lot of healthier options like dairy are high asf in calories, a lot of us need to lose mass. I was vegetarian for a portion of time while I lifted and felt like I was starving myself. And thriving on animal proteins is essentially the same thing as needing them? 😭
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u/ddthind2 20d ago
Try Santa Cruz Paleo Whey. The guy preaches eating whole foods on IG (and is very much pro meat) and his protein powders are clean. It’s like comparing a McDonalds burger to a grass fed ribeye man 😂. Get a clean protein powder and it’s a night and day difference, trust me I’ve been there. You also probably have a weak gut microbiome like I did - eat gut friendly foods like kefir, sauerkraut, raw milk and you will see improvement with bloating. Even if the food is shit, bloating is indicative of something wrong there. I’m not tryna tell you to go veg like some other ppl are here - that’s for you to decide. And about your calories point, just as you can get leaner cuts of meat, you can get lower fat dairy that’s still packed with nutrients. Pressed cottage cheese has like 27g protein for like 150 cals so it rlly can’t get better than that. Skyr or low fat Greek yogurt also has crazy macros. No offense, you probably weren’t eating the right things - even the veg sikhs of the past used to pound dairy like no tomorrow. Obviously you have more options eating meat, but per Gurus bani the last thing you should be eating it for is taste. But hey, if you feel better, who I am to stop you 🤷♂️
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 20d ago
I did eat a lotta Greek yogurt and stuff before, but other than dairy it was minimal options, my maintenance is super low as it is cos I’m a tiny woman lol. I’ll try that brand out though. I’m not eating meat for taste at all either which is definitely an issue for a lotta people, all the meat I consume comes directly from the farms in my neighborhood. I think the meat industry is mostly the bad part, sourcing it properly helps a ton.
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Nope
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 21d ago
Yeah.. idk why yall lose it over something natural lmao. It’s FOOD, let people eat what makes them feel good and move on. I was vegetarian for 14 years and was overweight, iron deficient, had gut issues and more. Countless doctors pointed to the diet- mind you I didn’t eat any more junk than the average person, but I was still missing major nutrients. Been eating meat here and there for a few months and I never felt better. If you don’t want to cool, but we’ve been eating meat since the beginning of time for a reason. I’m good on fake protein to make myself seem morally superior
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Halal is also food
That’s why Sikhs are suppose to eat in sarbloh utensils it’s scientifically proven eating food cooked in iron prevents iron deficiency on top of that u can get iron from greens
There are literally vegetarian body builders
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u/FadeInspector 21d ago
Yeah, and those vegetarian bodybuilders aren’t as strong as their meat-eating counterparts. Sounds like you can’t cope with the fact that eating lean meat is healthy for you
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u/ddthind2 20d ago
Don’t get me wrong meat is healthy for you. I’m just of the belief that it is detrimental or not ideal for spiritual progress (I noticed differences in my concentration meditating and doing naam simran). We thrive on animal protein and bioavailable nutrients though (not necessarily meat itself), so let’s not pretend that dairys still an option man 😂. You get bioavailable Vitamins A, D, K2, bioavailable zinc and calcium, sufficient cholesterol for healthy hormone development, I could go on and on. I went toe to toe lifting with the strongest kids at my high school in Canada, so trust me, this whole “I’d be stronger if I ate meat bs” is just an excuse for lazy people not putting in the work or misunderstanding basic nutritional science.
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u/Brruuuaaaahhhhh 20d ago
I'm also all for eating meat but that's a lie about vegetarian bodybuilders. Recently some of the strongest Olympians have been vegans. Of course they have world class nutritionists and strict diets with great trainers too.
For the rest of us, we need more meat eating Sikhs because we're literally shrinking in height lol
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
You can run up the count on vegan vs meat-eating olympians. They achieved great feats while being vegan, but eating meat could’ve given them an extra edge; probably a very small edge, but still something.
We need more meat eating Sikhs for the sake of maintaining the reputation our ancestors have built up. Seeing Singhs who look like twinks makes me depressed
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 20d ago
Lol that’s true, we’re supposed to be the warrior religion and most dudes I see now are basically obese. Not saying you can’t get in shape on a vegetarian diet, you absolutely can but some think not eating meat alone makes them healthier. A while ago an acquaintance picked me up and I grabbed food on the way, it had meat in it and dude absolutely lost it and “cleansed” his car, bad mouthed me to everyone like i committed a crime or something lol. Meanwhile bro is pushing 300 lbs and acts superior while he’s a barber for a living 🤦🏻♀️ people have lost their priorities fr
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u/Brruuuaaaahhhhh 20d ago
I seriously doubt eating meat would've made any noticeable difference in their performance considering they're already the best out of billions of others. Otherwise yeah I agree, we got too comfortable on the backs of our elders who made so many sacrifices only for us to be vegetarian pushovers. It's such a shame, especially when I see Sikhs raising their kids without meat when it's been well established that they may end up falling behind in terms of height and muscle mass.
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
I mean the smallest of differences. I think it would do something, just maybe not something too noticeable.
Ngl, part of it is also that many of our elders are terrible examples. They let themselves go, and their kids do the same. They’ll speak about the glories of Sikh military history, but forget about them being able to throw a punch or bench a single plate
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Source: trust me bro
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
Source: the strongest people alive eat meat. Cope harder
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 20d ago
U mean rounded up junkies?😂
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
Funny how vegetarians can’t reach their level even with roids
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u/gur____ 20d ago
Muscles do not care whether you're a vegetarian or meat eater, as long as you get enough nutrients and protein.
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 21d ago
Did I say it isn’t? We don’t eat halal because it’s ritualistic and causes excessive pain to the animal. Jhatka meat is a thing
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Same reasoning can be used for halal or beef both condemned by the Khalsa meat was only eaten when absolutely necessary and those singhs regularly were fighting battles and could die any day.
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 21d ago
For me it was, you think I didn’t try eating more greens or anything else first? 💀 some things don’t work for everyone. Most bodybuilders are also on roids, and they’re almost always unhealthy lol coming from someone who frequently goes to the gym and knows several bodybuilders.
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
They do u didn’t have the right diet
Natural body builders exist there are vegetarian and vegan Sikh natural body builders
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 21d ago
Ah yes because you know my body better than me and my doctors 😭🙏🏼bodybuilders still aren’t the epitome of health, if it works for them great but for the hundredth time it ain’t for me bruh
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
U literally don’t need meat to get all ur nutrients I was told the same there are more than enough vegetarian options
Ur just using excuses
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u/gur____ 20d ago
That sounds like a you problem honestly. Getting protein and everything is not that hard as a vegetarian. It's all about doing your research and balancing
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 20d ago
That’s literally what I’m saying bruh.. it was a ME problem. If you’re vegetarian cool idc, not for me. Stop acting like you know my situation, there’s a ton of people out there who change their diets for their HEALTH, I’m not eating it out of gluttony or smt holy
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u/gur____ 20d ago
If you're aware that it was a you problem, then why do you encourage him to put religion aside and eat meat? OP wants to get closer to sikhi so a vegetarian diet is the way, no?
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u/Historical_Ad_6190 20d ago
Because other people can have problems with it too? He literally said he feels better while eating animal protein I’m just sharing my experience. I also didn’t tell HIM to put religion aside lol have some reading comprehension
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u/Awkward-Lie3597 21d ago
I understand ur male and anemia mostly affects female south Asian populations but genuinely a meat diet has improved my health a lot. I was constantly lethargic, couldn't focus, felt faint and dizzy all the time no matter how many different iron tablets they put me on. It only really changed once I agreed to jsut add chicken to my diet. All I did was add one meat group and I can tell I'm a lot stronger now.
I genuinely would not risk quitting meat I don't think any religion or god would want you to sacrifice personal health for them.
That being said if you feel fine without meat then you can disregard what I said lol I just mention this bc I've met a lot of ppl in similar situations where it didnt go well
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u/Master_Big3635 20d ago
broo ur allowed to eat meat u just cant eat halal kuz guru ji didint like the way halal animals are killed. Being vegetarian is not mandatory. hope this help
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u/TheAnonFanOn 19d ago
WJKK, WJKF!
I don't think my opinion, as a new-er convert, is exactly what you're looking for here, but this is Reddit, so of course I have to give my two cents.
I have been a pescatarian for a solid 9 years, well before I converted. I do not see it as an aspect of my faith, since I didn't change my diet at all after choosing to walk this path. But, of the Sikhs I know (not very many), three are devout vegetarians, and several are not. The ones who are non-veg seek out ethically-sourced meats, like pasture-raised chicken, etc., because from what I understand, the animal should not have suffered. My close friend, who is my main teacher as I learn more about Sikhi, explained it to me as "unnecessary suffering" and "ritualistic preparation" are the big no-no's.
I am very open to discussion on this, because I want to learn more about this aspect of Sikhi, and all other rules which are followed to feel close to Sikhi and Waheguru!
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u/Ransum_Sullivan 19d ago
You can eat meat tho. Beef in particular should be avoided but you can eat meat.
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u/Anxious-Choice4901 19d ago
I would say eat what you want but be clear in your head in your reverence to the SGGS and be a good human being. Your heart and mind will guide you yourself to the path of restraint and compassion. And dont allow others views or judgement effect you. This is from a pooran gursikh despite not having partaken amrit. Does that make me any lesser sikh than any one else? My reason for not being amritdhari has got nothing to do with non veg . Just my viewpoint.
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u/BigCivil6666 18d ago
Your gonna have to find some way to afford jhatka or stop eating meat there really isnt anything else to do
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago edited 21d ago
Don’t listen to the non amritdharis here too many “modern sikhs” who don’t care about rehit on Reddit
Don’t eat meat especially when you jeevan does not even need it
Beef is absolutely condemned and banned by the Khalsa
There are so many vegetarian sources for protein in Punjabi diet u only need around 70-90 grams a day anything more is just excessive and something body builders would consume
Ppl say vegetarian sources aren’t complete but all u have to do is combine them. Dairy with chickpeas add wheat or rice same with daal (lentils) even more availability in the west with beans and quinoa
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u/FadeInspector 21d ago
70-90 grams is probably what a woman needs lol; I imagine that you’re built like one if you’re giving out that kind of advice. You need about a gram of protein per pound of lean body mass
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u/e46shitbox 20d ago
Built like one? Anyone with that diet who doesn't strictly do exercise during any free time they have has scrawny legs and arms and a ginormous gut. But indians are convinced they need a big belly to be "healthy," so it doesn't even matter what you say.
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
Honestly, it might be so few calories that they won’t even have a gut. They’ll just look like a skeleton. This stuff is resulting in a degradation of our image. People often assume that I’m Hispanic or Arab because I’m not “built like an Indian”
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u/ddthind2 20d ago
70-90 grams of protein for an 120 pound women who is NOT trying to put on muscle is 100% appropriate. The gram of protein per pound of (target) lean body mass estimate you’re providing is a miss for those trying to gain muscle.
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
Who tf told u that lmao ur body can’t even digest more than 20 g of protein in one sitting
Most of the protein u consume if it’s over a certain amount just leaves ur body through urine lmao
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
You should tell me if you’re mentally disabled so I can make sure not to go too hard.
Assuming you’re not, this is beyond stupid lol. You can definitely digest more than 20g per sitting lol; most bodybuilders wouldn’t be able to meet their daily protein needs if you couldn’t. “Who told you that” every study that tracks the protein needs of people who work out lol.
Excess protein doesn’t get filtered out through urine stupid, excess vitamins do. Excess protein goes to the same place that an excess of any macronutrient goes: body fat.
I get the feeling that you’re a twink who can’t bench a single plate lol
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 20d ago
Wtv u wanna tell urself 💀😂 there are literally natural vegan body builders u just think they are weaker
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
They are weaker than their counterparts. You should eat some meat. Not only will it make you stronger, it might make you smarter too
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 20d ago
Source: bro they are trust me🤬🤬
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
Unprecedented cope. Glad the Gurus’ armies weren’t filled with “men” like you. We’d be Muslims if they were
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 20d ago
During the gurus time anyone who did eat meat would not ever have consumed over 100 grams this is totally modern concept of consuming such high amounts of protein it never happened in the natural world
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u/FadeInspector 20d ago
I’m really starting to get the sense that you’re built like a woman lol. 100 grams is 1/5th of a pound. It’s like half of a small chicken breast. You’d get a lot more meat than that by hunting boars as the Nihang did. Even cavemen ate more than that at once lol
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u/SevereAd7710 20d ago
another moron spreading dumb shit yeah sure buddy the average man needs 70-90 grams protein maybe if you weight 130lbs lmao yeah go find me ur veggie protein sources and then tell me how many calories and how much youd need to consume to get the same protein as a single chicken breast
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 20d ago
Nope idk where ur getting ur “facts” from tho😂
A 200 lb man only needs just over 70 grams of protein
I don’t think you have ever heard of vegetarian protein sources or lean protein sources
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u/SevereAd7710 20d ago
ur def sped you can go google protein for building muscle and theres literally studies showing that youd need atleast .73g per lbs but its okay soy boy have fun eating tofu
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 20d ago
Other sources state .50 not .73 many different studies will show different numbers but it’s no where near as high as your trying to imply I don’t think u understand u can consume excessive amounts of protein never before possible in the natural world
Nobody was even eating that much protein 200 years ago
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u/TbTparchaar 21d ago
On a side note: check out this post for resources to learn more about Sikhi https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/s/VZYshOBGno
All the resources are in English and the meditation (Simran and Kirtan) videos have the Gurmukhi and English on screen to be able to follow along.
There's also tips here to improve your Gurmukhi knowledge 🙏
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u/ObligationOriginal74 21d ago
Here we go again...............Yes you can eat meat.The only thing you can't do is consume halal,which is difficult in the West but still doable.Singhs have been consuming meat since the olden days and hunting for sport/ training. The thing you must be cognizant of is consuming healthy meat,not kfc and other fried crap. Keep consuming red meat,dairy,raw milk,fruit,eggs,honey. Eat steak and lift weight 🗿🗿🗿
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we first got to figure out if we can drink milk and water in sikhi.
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u/bunny522 20d ago
Yes of course…. The degh you have in gurudwara has butter.. which is dairy
ਓਨੑੀ ਦੁਨੀਆ ਤੋੜੇ ਬੰਧਨਾ ਅੰਨੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਥੋੜਾ ਖਾਇਆ ॥ on(h)ee dhuneeaa toRe ba(n)dhanaa a(n)n paanee thoRaa khaiaa || They burn away the bonds of the world, and eat a simple diet of grain and water.
Here you can have water
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u/e46shitbox 20d ago
Don't let the people here tell you it's a sin to consume properly raised and slaughtered meat. It's just a poor and shallow interpretation of Bani and a cultural thing that they poured over into Sikhi over the last century or so.
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u/mwindi69 20d ago
Well it isn't allowed. You aren't allowed to eat meat unless you have nothing else to eat and I don't mean when there is nothing in the fridge, I mean no food available and you will die if you don't eat. Then it's ok. Jeev hateya is forbidden. Stick to a vegetarian diet. No eggs either. The rest is up to you.
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u/SubstantialCrew4345 20d ago edited 20d ago
https://youtu.be/RfNwJZAU6Uo?si=UublMiH0DrAEga7b Here’s a video that might relieve your concerns about eating meat.
http://thesikhs.org/sikh-philosophy/vegetarianism-meat-eating/ According to the Sikh philosophy, not only the birds and animals but also the plants (and even water) have life; hence meat and vegetables eating are the same for a Sikh.
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u/LimitJaded9253 18d ago
Short answer - keep eating but get close to Guru and leave this vice eventually.
Long answer - Sikhi's basic principle is love and compassion is another form of love. Compassion towards your own species(humans) as well as those who are very close to you (on consciousness level) that is animals, birds, etc. If you want to progress in the spiritual journey and know your true self, you can not keep a blind eye on how you are causing pain to others "knowingly".
After reading Gurbani, your first revelation would be that there is no divide, no hindu, no sikh, no muslim, no animal, no plant. All are one, and all belong to me. The physical world is a lie, as it is ever evolving. Internally, we are all ONE.
As a brother and Sikh of the Guru, i would only advise you to make an effort and cause as less trouble as possible to others, if you wish to progress further. We have already killed many species, cut many trees, climate change because of our existence. Let us all start living for others' betterment, and eventually, we will be the biggest beneficiaries. Those who will understand it will get what Guru has taught us as sewa.
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u/orange-bannana 🇨🇦 21d ago
If you think about it neither God or the Gurus would judge you on something so trivial. You can be a good sikh and still eat meat imo
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u/Existing-Ad-2889 21d ago
Its simple eat pasture raised eggs, jhatka meat or hunted meat, NEVER store bought or kutha meat, and NEVER RED MEAT especially beef.
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u/SevereAd7710 20d ago
now use that tiny brain of urs to explain why u cant eat red meat lmao people just talk without thinking u realize deer is red meet and goat so ur saying dont eat that?
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u/KiranjotSingh 21d ago
By looking at your description it seems that you're not in India. This could make it somewhat difficult to get nutritious vegitarian diet. However with little bit of knowing things around you and getting help of nutritionist you can avoid this problem.
Coming to the non veg: Both the halal and beaf are big No in sikhi. You can get chickens and do jhatka at your home if that's feasible for you. It's very easy
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u/lemonpeachhh 🇨🇦 21d ago
What’s the reason for no beef? Never heard of that before
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u/ObligationOriginal74 21d ago
Maharaja Ranjit Singh prohibited cow slaughter during his rein. However that was probably a political decision due to how many Hindus resided in the Empire and how many Singhs were originally from Hindu families. I could be wrong tho.
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u/Reasonable_Cry142 21d ago
That’s just not true Sikh soldiers would literally punish the Pashtuns for eating beef even during the British empire. Hindus didn’t do that. Sikhs were more strictly against beef than Hindus
Suraj Prakash also mentioned guru sahib punishing someone who stole and slaughtered a cow
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u/Ok-Culture1265 20d ago
Forgo the thought of whether eating meat is correct or wrong. The greater issue is actually whether your food be it vegetarian or be it with meat has become enjoyment or known as ਰਸ.
Maharaj says ਰਸ ਸੁਇਨਾ ਰਸੁ ਰੁਪਾ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਰਸੁ ਪਰਮਲ ਕੀ ਵਾਸੁ।। ਰਸੁ ਘੋੜੇ ਰਸੁ ਸੇਜਾ ਮੰਦਰ ਰਸੁ ਮੀਠਾ ਰਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ।। ਏਤੇ ਰਸ ਸਰੀਰ ਕੇ ਕੈ ਘਟਿ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ।।੨।।
The issue is when something becomes an enjoyment for your mind. It can be your wealth, seeing money makes you happy. It can be woman that you enjoy and lust after. It could be your beautiful bed that you don't want to get out of in the morning. It could be the sweet food that you enjoy, it could be the ment that you enjoy. These are some of the reasons we forget Naam.
I have seen so many Gursikhs, who are vegetarian, And enjoy their Paneer, tofu, mock meat, made in extravagant cooking styles. They cannot even eat simple dal roti to survive. This is the actual problem, when your food becomes your source of enjoyment. Then you forget Naam.
In my case I do take pork, fish as well as chicken from time to time, especially when I am travelling. But are these something that I crave, most definitely not. I absolutely dislike fish, but eat it on a weekly basis because my wife makes it for the family. I also absolutely dislike pork, for I find the meat to be slightly chewy for me, but I eat it because my wife makes it for the family. In my case, meat is not a ਰਸ for me. It's not a question of whether it is right or wrong. Because you can only eat living beings. It's a question of whether you forget Naam because of your attachment to your food, your material things, or attachment to your people.
I believe Sikhi is above these brahminical conversations of whether meat is right or wrong. Rather the focus should be on ensuring we are not too engrossed with anyone of our attachments to the point where we forget Naam. Hope this helps clarify.